**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 11 02:59:57 2007 Aug 11 08:13:12 Hello World! Aug 11 08:13:55 I will soon become a NSLU2 owner.. as soon as I can get myself into a shopping district :) been reading up and I believe I could have already fallen in love with this device Aug 11 08:14:22 I almost want to buy 2 to start with heh Aug 11 08:15:05 The only thing thats been pissing me off is the Nas200 looks pretty good but it doesn't seem to be supported yet Aug 11 08:45:13 Hello Johnin Aug 11 08:45:18 hello Aug 11 08:45:24 err my typing sucks Aug 11 08:45:30 <-- Newbie Aug 11 08:45:33 I figured Aug 11 08:45:48 Now I know how to install Debian on the NSLU2 and I feel comfortable doing it, but now I want to reinstall Debian again to customize my install a little bit more. How do I reflash the NSLU2 to the Debian installer? Aug 11 08:45:49 ]I dont even own a NSlu2 Yet.. but I will as soon as I get a chance to get to the market Aug 11 08:46:00 You will love it. Promise. Aug 11 08:46:28 From what I've been reading I think your right.. do you thin its best to boot from the hard drive or from a flash device, and add a hard drive as storage? Aug 11 08:49:07 I like having a flash device as root because then you can turn off the harddrive when you don't need it which means total silent operation. Aug 11 08:49:21 But if noise doesn't matter, hard drives last longer. Aug 11 08:50:06 Oh yeah.. I imagine if the NSlu2 is on the hard drive would be on too.. always.. since it can't spin down the hd Aug 11 08:50:56 then I might just get a USB WiFi card and make it a router.. since those are always on too Aug 11 08:51:24 then plug my xbox right into the Slu2 Aug 11 08:51:35 It depends on which firmware you are going to use. Debian can spin down the HD but that also shortens the lifespan of the HD. Aug 11 08:51:36 that'd be the shit Aug 11 08:52:03 do you think spinning down the hard drive is just as bad as turning the power off? Aug 11 08:52:25 I think it is, but spinning down the harddrive is usually done more often. Aug 11 08:52:34 if thats the case then I guess i'd assign spin down to no activity after 2 hours or something Aug 11 08:53:13 500 gig hard drives are pretty cheap .. I just talked myself out of spending $400 on a single Terrabyte hard drive Aug 11 08:53:42 I think its Hitachi who has the Terrabyte drive Aug 11 08:53:55 1tb is not worth it at the moment Aug 11 08:54:00 fuck em.. the price is too much.. I'd rather buy a few 500's that way I can back my movies up for cheap Aug 11 08:54:05 You can often get 3x500gb for the same price. Aug 11 08:54:09 yeah.. Aug 11 08:54:27 more power consumption but in the end its worth it having everything on different drives Aug 11 08:54:37 Most external 1tb harddrives are just 2x500gb in raid anyway, which means that you lose one drive - you lose all drives. Aug 11 08:54:49 most.. but not the hitachi Aug 11 08:55:20 maybe not. I've heard that one was really really fast due to the 333gb platters, but at the same time - it's awfully expensive Aug 11 08:55:27 I was REALLY tempted to get the Nas200 by linksys until I noticed nobody has hacked it yet Aug 11 08:55:50 yeah, fast means very little on my slow wireless network.. so that is just a waste Aug 11 08:57:16 I see. If you run all wireless, it's a good idea to get a cable for when you flash the slug. Aug 11 08:57:22 I think I will use ex2 file system Aug 11 08:57:25 I've heard bad things can happen otherwise. Aug 11 08:57:35 Yup I'll do it smart Aug 11 08:57:55 What firmware version are you thinking of running?= Aug 11 08:57:56 I've never botched a flash yet.. Thank god the power never went out during flash Aug 11 08:58:35 I was thinking of running debian Aug 11 08:58:55 Am I right in assuming if I run Debian I get more options right? Aug 11 08:59:16 Right. But you must be comfortable running a Linux distro, there is no web interface or such. Aug 11 08:59:39 Im an old Redhat user.. been years but I can get back into it Aug 11 09:00:05 No problem then. Installing new programs is just a matter of apt-get install Aug 11 09:00:12 there are tons of packages in the repos Aug 11 09:00:15 I ran a few servers.. it was always alot of study to get everything operational but the info was easily obtained Aug 11 09:00:32 I *Heart* Apt-get Aug 11 09:00:53 apt-get install update Aug 11 09:00:55 or whatever Aug 11 09:00:56 hehe Aug 11 09:01:11 apt-get update to update everything Aug 11 09:01:15 or no Aug 11 09:01:16 Im excitede as hell having a dedicated server Aug 11 09:01:17 that's the list Aug 11 09:01:23 upgrade Aug 11 09:01:30 that sounds right Aug 11 09:01:30 What are you going to use the slug for? Aug 11 09:02:10 good question.. Heres my situation here.. I have 2 xbox's moded, running XBMC.. and I have a Computer that records video off satalite Aug 11 09:02:35 So once the slug is in place.. its going to keep a hard drive or 2 online 24/7 with at least oh a terrabyte or close to it of AVI files Aug 11 09:03:02 I'll be happy to have BitchX running in SSH.. Screen is something I've been missing for a long long time Aug 11 09:03:13 I also would seriously LOVE to use the slug to download torrents Aug 11 09:03:22 that is my plan too Aug 11 09:03:27 rtorrent seems like the right option Aug 11 09:03:39 I figure I might have to buy a second slug to leave at a friends house who has real broadband internet Aug 11 09:03:51 Im about 100 miles away from Broadband Aug 11 09:04:19 I see. Good idea as long as he's okay with it/doesn't notice Aug 11 09:04:32 I think he'll be ok with it.. hopefully he'll use it too Aug 11 09:04:39 he'd save electricity Aug 11 09:04:48 ah yes he does Aug 11 09:05:04 he already pays extra for faster connection speeds.. so this would be the next best thing Aug 11 09:05:22 and I guess it'd cost me $200 to drop a slug over at his place Aug 11 09:06:12 if I put a 500 gig drive over there.. I could go over there every 2 months or so and swap drives Aug 11 09:06:31 I dont imagine I'd find 500 gigs worth of internet crap to download though that could be over kill.. unless he uses it alot Aug 11 09:06:49 Good idea. You could also ftp the files but you are on a slow connection? Aug 11 09:07:14 yeah I have satalite internet.. wild blue.. as soon as you reach 10 gigs they cap your speed until the next pay period.. its pathetic Aug 11 09:07:44 That sucks. Are you English? American? Aug 11 09:07:48 ya know Las Vegas in Nevada? I live 100 miles away from it.. practicly in the middle of nowhere Aug 11 09:08:09 Oh. Too bad then. And satelite is your only option? Aug 11 09:08:19 yeah Aug 11 09:08:39 we dont even have sidewalks here.. my house is on a dirt road Aug 11 09:08:45 I feel your pain Aug 11 09:08:51 :) Aug 11 09:09:48 If I drop a slug at his place I might also run a webserver and a email server.. but deffinately not here Aug 11 09:13:02 Might be a good idea. Aug 11 09:13:13 Just make sure you run lighttpd, I've heard apache is too slow for the slug Aug 11 09:17:57 good idea.. I am familiar with apache but I can learn something new Aug 11 09:18:13 so how do I go about getting my hard drive to spin down? Aug 11 09:18:37 I read it was impossible with the current USB situations to do that Aug 11 09:18:42 I know there is a page about it in the wiki. Just search for spin down. Aug 11 09:18:53 It is possible on some devices on some versions of the firmware, debian is one of them Aug 11 09:22:02 Ahhh.. it would be ideal to use a flashdisk for /dev and /var Aug 11 09:22:24 give it a try Aug 11 09:23:33 by flashidisk, do you mean the built in flash or a usb flash drive? Aug 11 09:23:45 usb flash drive Aug 11 09:24:09 its the only way to get the operating system to shut up for the disk to spin down Aug 11 09:24:30 Use a flash drive for /, wouldn't that work? Aug 11 09:25:00 I might as well buy a 2 gig usb thumb drive and put the whole operating system on it Aug 11 09:25:23 I do with my 1gb, don't know if the size is enough yet. Aug 11 09:26:10 I wonder if I could just plug in a usb card reader and use multiple sd cards Aug 11 09:26:28 it would be way cheaper Aug 11 09:26:39 I can't see why it shouldn't work. Aug 11 09:26:54 I have a 2 gig sdcard sitting around Aug 11 09:27:14 never even opened it from its original packaging yet Aug 11 09:27:17 I don't know how fast those are compared to flash drives though. Aug 11 09:27:25 Might be good, might be bad. Aug 11 09:27:44 I know that when I copy to it using a usb 2.0 port its pretty fast Aug 11 09:28:21 no problem then. Aug 11 09:28:43 this is going to be fun :) Aug 11 09:33:59 ? Aug 11 09:34:20 Im just a newbie who hasn't bought his NSLu2 yet Aug 11 09:34:36 ic Aug 11 09:34:41 what are you waiting for? Aug 11 09:34:49 I've been reading for hours and im overwelmed by the excitement Aug 11 09:34:55 what are you waiting for? Aug 11 09:35:02 I need to drive 100 miles to go get it Aug 11 09:35:06 what are you waiting for? Aug 11 09:35:12 well 100 miles 1 way.. 100 miles back Aug 11 09:35:17 so? Aug 11 09:35:20 its a nslu2 Aug 11 09:35:28 but, if I was you Aug 11 09:35:29 hahah yeah my thoughts exactly ;) Aug 11 09:35:30 I would pick up one from ebay Aug 11 09:35:42 and save 40 bucks? Aug 11 09:35:48 or more Aug 11 09:35:58 the thought entered my mind Aug 11 09:36:30 IM reading about spin downs right now.. trying to figure out which hard drive I should buy Aug 11 09:36:40 I would be offering to sell you one right now, but I sold my entire stock last weekend Aug 11 09:37:02 If yours had upgraded memory I'd be crying right now Aug 11 09:37:14 no Aug 11 09:37:29 mine come with the cpu hack and unslung (if desired) Aug 11 09:37:38 Im sure I can perform the processor speed fix Aug 11 09:37:43 oh yea Aug 11 09:37:45 its easy Aug 11 09:37:50 New slugs come with 266mhz Aug 11 09:37:51 get a pair of finger nail clippers Aug 11 09:37:53 yeah.. nailclippers will work I read Aug 11 09:38:12 [05:37:59:am] New slugs come with 266mhz <--I've yet to come across a 266mhz Aug 11 09:38:15 so new slugs still need a modification right? Aug 11 09:38:22 without being modified that is Aug 11 09:38:29 I know the exists Aug 11 09:38:44 I'll be sure to test the speed before opening it up then Aug 11 09:38:51 but from a person who has had tons of these coming in and out Aug 11 09:38:53 yet to see one Aug 11 09:39:01 Ok Aug 11 09:39:22 I wouldn't worry about that Solarbaby Aug 11 09:39:27 like I said Aug 11 09:39:30 its very easy Aug 11 09:39:34 I do it with finger nail clippers Aug 11 09:39:49 hardest part is getting the stupid case open without damaging it Aug 11 09:39:50 you seem pretty damn into this project and all.. what hard drive would you recommend for spin downs and a low heat level, at maybe 500 gigs? Aug 11 09:40:24 I've not delt with many different types of hard drives Aug 11 09:40:37 if I was to recommend one Aug 11 09:40:47 Western Digital MyBook Aug 11 09:40:55 I hear those get hot Aug 11 09:40:58 well I read that Aug 11 09:41:05 I had one Aug 11 09:41:09 it stayed pretty cool Aug 11 09:41:11 and they are loud right? Aug 11 09:41:13 didn't have it for long though Aug 11 09:41:24 as I sold it Aug 11 09:41:26 DrJ_: I asked here yesterday and they said that new slugs come without underclocking. I can confirm later. Aug 11 09:41:36 johlin Aug 11 09:41:40 I know some do Aug 11 09:41:44 I'm just saying Aug 11 09:41:47 I've yet to see one Aug 11 09:41:54 I see Aug 11 09:41:55 and I've had many that I've got brand new Aug 11 09:41:57 factory sealed Aug 11 09:42:35 I would love to get one that I dont need to open.. seeing as I wont be upgrading the memory cause its too hard Aug 11 09:42:42 Solarbaby: I thought it was pretty quite Aug 11 09:42:47 you had to be close to it to hear it Aug 11 09:42:49 very good Aug 11 09:42:53 but with the nslu2 Aug 11 09:43:17 there was a guy selling one with upgraded memory on ebay a few weeks ago Aug 11 09:44:01 I almost bought it Aug 11 09:44:03 to actually keep Aug 11 09:44:21 eh, that's a lie Aug 11 09:44:23 yeah thats a good find! if im download a bunch of torrents that would probably work Aug 11 09:44:25 I would've turned around and sold it Aug 11 09:44:51 im really jazzed about torrents working on it Aug 11 09:45:14 it wont upload torrents though will it? so in case I want to even out my ratio? Aug 11 09:45:25 want to see thee coolest thing ever done with a nslu2? Aug 11 09:45:33 Yes Sir Aug 11 09:46:34 http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/ProjectSilver/Page1.aspx Aug 11 09:47:47 heh, nice find Aug 11 09:47:56 http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/ProjectSilver/Images/16.jpg <--sexy Aug 11 09:48:17 http://www.inventgeek.com/Projects/ProjectSilver/Images/18.jpg Aug 11 09:49:10 its like a perfect stealth Aug 11 09:49:20 can even run a ethernet cable to it Aug 11 09:49:23 holy shit thats awesome Aug 11 09:49:23 or you just hide your slug somewhere Aug 11 09:49:24 still wouldn't tip anyone off Aug 11 09:49:39 yea, but what if they follow the ethernet cable johlin? Aug 11 09:49:55 anyone who follows one to this will just think its going through the surge protection Aug 11 09:49:55 you can use wlan on the slug Aug 11 09:50:03 but that mod is way more 1337, I must admit Aug 11 09:50:04 yeah Aug 11 09:50:05 totally Aug 11 09:50:07 that could be founded Aug 11 09:50:12 *found Aug 11 09:50:36 you can find a device by its signal Aug 11 09:50:37 in fact Aug 11 09:50:42 there are programs you can run on your computer Aug 11 09:51:03 they will show you where all near wireless clients are in proximity to your PC Aug 11 09:51:19 that's high-tech Aug 11 09:51:22 one I used a while back (forget the name of it) Aug 11 09:51:24 is free Aug 11 09:51:28 and gives your a graphical map Aug 11 09:52:00 sounds like straight out of a CSI-episode Aug 11 09:53:13 but anyways Aug 11 09:53:26 * DrJ_ wants a nslu2 stealth server Aug 11 09:53:43 I guess you could put the slug in pretty much anything you want Aug 11 09:53:55 well Aug 11 09:54:09 you have to keep it to something with ethernet surge protection Aug 11 09:54:23 I have one of those belkin surgemasters Aug 11 09:54:26 but that one is too small I think Aug 11 09:54:36 otherwise you lose the fact of people not wondering why an ethernet cable is running to it Aug 11 09:54:59 dude, your toaster has an ethernet connection Aug 11 09:55:11 you could put in an old router or something though Aug 11 09:55:23 or even the one you are using Aug 11 09:55:28 would have to find one with enough room inside though Aug 11 09:55:52 my router isn't much bigger than the nslu2 Aug 11 09:55:56 itself Aug 11 09:56:09 but that would be even more stealthier Aug 11 09:56:25 could just rig it into port 4 or something Aug 11 09:56:43 routers get hot though (most do) Aug 11 09:56:51 even if you did find one that it fit in Aug 11 09:56:56 you would be risking the life of it Aug 11 09:59:10 hm Aug 11 09:59:14 might put a fan there Aug 11 09:59:18 to keep it cool Aug 11 09:59:38 possibly Aug 11 10:00:01 I've not seen a router though in my life I belief that has enough room inside it to put anything in it Aug 11 10:00:41 that's the problem Aug 11 10:00:52 but you could get one of those hardware firewalls and put a slug there Aug 11 10:00:57 no one would suspect anything Aug 11 10:02:59 anyways Aug 11 10:03:21 Solarbaby, I would search ebay...you will save money Aug 11 10:03:27 there sure are alot of ways to spin down :) Aug 11 10:03:32 even more if it means a 200mile round trip Aug 11 10:03:36 Yeah.. I probably should do it that way Aug 11 10:03:44 well I leave here often enough Aug 11 10:03:47 heh Aug 11 10:04:09 I have $200 more then I had last weekend when I went to vegas Aug 11 10:09:19 What do you think is the best mount point for my 500gb usb-harddrive which will only be used for storage (not /)? Aug 11 10:09:26 * Hideki is awake! Aug 11 10:12:02 mount it as /home or leave it in /media ? Aug 11 10:12:26 media might work, or /mnt Aug 11 10:12:42 never liked /mnt Aug 11 10:12:58 why not? Aug 11 10:13:08 it's more for temporary mounts Aug 11 10:13:33 I see Aug 11 10:13:46 what options do you think I should use? Noatime? Aug 11 10:13:47 who uses Nslu2 with their xbox? Aug 11 10:13:52 and it has one of those three letter names :) Aug 11 10:14:20 noatime is good Aug 11 10:14:38 I don't have an xbox Aug 11 10:17:48 how would they work together? Aug 11 10:18:01 there are ways of running linux on the xbox Aug 11 10:18:08 Xbox's love Samba Aug 11 10:18:15 at least a moded xbox does Aug 11 10:34:15 It's been a pleasure my friends.. G'night Aug 11 10:35:35 he bravely ran away Aug 11 10:43:20 Is it generally a good idea to use the file server-option in the Debian installer or am I better off installing samba manually? Aug 11 10:48:51 not sure if there's any big difference Aug 11 11:09:33 Should be about the Same Aug 11 11:09:41 Probably better just use minimal/dont select one Aug 11 11:09:51 to prevent aload of extra packages Aug 11 11:10:00 too late, I selected file server Aug 11 11:10:05 lol Aug 11 11:10:05 but I will remove appletalk and nfs Aug 11 11:10:10 so probably it will not be too heavy Aug 11 11:10:13 I suppose file server is better than say desktop Aug 11 11:10:52 anyone running an x server? :D Aug 11 11:11:14 I remember seeing it mentioned in the wiki somewhere Aug 11 11:11:30 probably not too useful Aug 11 11:11:37 probably not at all Aug 11 11:11:40 but it works Aug 11 11:12:23 with some kind of usb video hardware? Aug 11 11:13:10 yep Aug 11 18:56:04 hi Aug 11 18:56:11 is there a linux distro, that runs on the slug and on a WRT54GS as well? Aug 11 18:56:29 OpenWRT should run on them both... Aug 11 18:57:49 i understand http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Linksys/NSLU2 paragraph 2 so, that openwrt does not support external devices for the system Aug 11 18:59:41 why there must be the same distro on both devices? Aug 11 19:00:27 for not having bother about different systems Aug 11 19:00:56 They'd hardly be much difference Aug 11 19:01:03 maintaing various linux distros is almost identical Aug 11 19:01:41 ok.. there is different package menager:) but it isn't a problem Aug 11 19:01:46 Yeah Aug 11 19:01:50 its generally the same command Aug 11 19:01:52 apt-get install Aug 11 19:01:54 ipkg install Aug 11 19:01:56 etc Aug 11 19:04:31 yes but i want to write apps for both devices, and thus not to bother about the simplest differences Aug 11 19:05:02 s/to// Aug 11 19:05:02 deever meant: yes but i want write apps for both devices, and thus not to bother about the simplest differences Aug 11 19:05:31 There are different facets of application development to consider. Aug 11 19:05:45 capbot: ? Aug 11 19:05:55 If you wish to write *quality* applications, then the processor type, and the underlying OS doesn't really matter. Aug 11 19:07:10 In that case, you would write an application that would run on most machines out there, and in order to make the packaging and installation easier, you would use something like the "optware" framework, which support Unslung, OpenWrt, dd-wrt, and others. Aug 11 19:07:39 my nslu2 always reboots/doesnt boot correctly whenever i insert a usb-media (flash stick, hdd) into port 1 or two. did reset sysconf, re-flash to linksys stock Aug 11 19:07:44 i'll develop "system software" like a web interface Aug 11 19:08:13 so there will be big dependances of the underlying system Aug 11 19:08:14 It does that with stock linksys firmware, Wipmac? Aug 11 19:08:37 Capbot was putting out the corected version of your statement Aug 11 19:09:45 mwester: yes, also with linksys stock (unslung-logo still on the webpage of the nslu2, but i guess this could be the browsers cache) Aug 11 19:09:45 Wipmac: have you tried repartitioning and reformatting the USB flash drive on another system, and does it still crash after that? Aug 11 19:10:01 i see... Aug 11 19:10:30 ok, gonna reformat my 256mb flash disk. ntfs is ok? Aug 11 19:10:47 ntfs is read only ;) Aug 11 19:11:12 No, format to FAT preferably, that way it will mount in both USB ports. Aug 11 19:15:29 i also always get the "samba failed" web-error-msg whenever i inserted a usb-drive. i always have to do a reset sysconf..grr Aug 11 19:18:05 ok, reseted sysconf again, rebooted nslu2 with linksys stock-fw Aug 11 19:18:16 reformatted usbstick to fat Aug 11 19:18:56 in which port should i stick the usb-flash? Aug 11 19:22:28 tried it in both ports. same bahaviour. nslu2 rebooting..again and again. hardware failure of the nslu2? Aug 11 19:22:54 i overclocked the nslu2...can this brick it!? Aug 11 19:23:01 not that i have heared of Aug 11 19:24:00 Only if you do it wrong Aug 11 19:24:14 well, it worked after overclocking for some months Aug 11 19:24:37 is there a way to see if the usb-ports are broken? Aug 11 19:26:21 is there any way to erase that thing completely? eraseall should have done that Aug 11 19:28:18 You shouldnt also use erase all.. Aug 11 19:28:29 Yuo can reset the sysconf area... Aug 11 19:30:07 well..i resetsysconf a milion times.. that gets mr rid of the "failad samba" web message, but all the usb devices behave the same -> reboot of nslu2 Aug 11 19:30:42 do u have a real old nslu2 stock firmware maybe that would work Aug 11 19:31:06 NSLU2_V23R63 Aug 11 19:31:19 thats the latest one.. i would try a real old one Aug 11 19:31:38 the NSLU2_V23R63 i have tried .. same nasty behaviour Aug 11 19:31:50 lets see whats about Aug 11 19:31:57 Ive got NSLU2_V23R72 Aug 11 19:32:43 NSLU2_V23R29.zip Aug 11 19:32:54 nslu2-fw-2.3r24.zip Aug 11 19:32:57 nslu2-fw-2.3r25.zip Aug 11 19:33:32 found r24 on the linksys ftp server lemme try that one.. but i guess its a hardware error. dont u think ? Aug 11 19:33:54 Probably Aug 11 19:34:05 but how the heck can that occur? Aug 11 19:34:06 Have you tried different drives? Aug 11 19:34:13 yes 3 drives Aug 11 19:34:54 so now that i have a bad nslu2, what would u suggest as a replacement these days? Aug 11 19:35:13 it should maybe be faster at data-transfer as nslu2 :) Aug 11 19:36:01 The Thecus thing looks good.. Aug 11 19:37:13 ftp://ftp.networkexpress.net/pub/drk/nslu2_v23r73.zip Aug 11 19:38:10 which thecus u suggest? Aug 11 19:38:41 I dont own one myself Aug 11 19:39:16 nslu2_v23r73.zip is newer than the latest fw on the linksys page? Aug 11 19:39:30 http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/ Aug 11 19:39:34 Yeah, its "beta" Aug 11 19:39:45 http://www.cyrius.com/debian/iop/n2100/ - Debian avaliable on it, upgradable hardware Aug 11 19:45:52 thecus sounds nice by its specs. but its pretty high priced. anything cheaper? :) Aug 11 19:46:27 Depends what you want it to do i suppose.. Aug 11 19:47:09 1. fast data transfer over gbit lan (not wlan). 2. nfs-support. thats ALL i need .. no raid no nothing :) Aug 11 19:48:51 P233, Gigabit Lan Card, Linux Distro Aug 11 19:48:51 ;) Aug 11 19:50:05 Anyone who can guide me in the process of compiling mt-daadp on openslug? Version 0.2.3 which is available as ipkg does not work with Itunes 7 :/ Aug 11 19:51:28 MystiQu, May be better asking in #nslu2-linux Aug 11 19:51:30 reedy-boy: it should be small and fanless and cheap Aug 11 19:51:31 Which packades do I need to install to set up a proper environment so I can start building and compiling stuff :) Aug 11 19:51:41 You may be able to get someone to do it for you Aug 11 19:51:42 Reedy_Boy: Aah, ok Aug 11 19:51:47 :) Aug 11 19:51:49 reedyboy: the thecus n1200 would be good too? Aug 11 19:52:12 Should be, dual gigabit lan, at least 128mb memory Aug 11 19:52:23 takes debian.. Aug 11 20:03:25 the n1200 has that specs? i guess u quoted the n2100? Aug 11 20:05:06 what about qnap, buffalo, d-link, linksys? Aug 11 20:10:57 Wipmac: before you throw out the NSLU2, try to replace the power supply for it. Aug 11 20:11:50 Any +5V 2A supply will do, just make sure the polarity is correct on the plug. Aug 11 20:12:19 There have been reports of bad power supplies causing a number of very strange symptoms with the NSLU2, it's worth a try and much cheaper than replacing the unit. Aug 11 20:13:44 mwester: thanks for this hint, i will try Aug 11 20:15:06 is the fact that i never used the reset button on the back of the nslu2 after resetconfig and reflash a bad thing? Aug 11 20:16:43 No.. We mainly use it to get it in "upgrade mode" Aug 11 20:17:18 Also, Wipmac if you decide to get rid of it from being broken/whatever... You may be able to make some money on it selling it to someone who wants the memory or similar Aug 11 20:17:27 so if the power supply isnt the reason, this nslu2 is really damaged.. too bad, in the last 12 months also my wrt54g died Aug 11 20:17:49 reedy: this would be done by selling it on ebay? Aug 11 20:17:57 Wipmac, not necesserily Aug 11 20:18:08 Posting on one of the NSLU2 mailing lists may find you some intrest Aug 11 20:18:59 ok thx Aug 11 20:19:09 a good wekand to yall! Aug 11 20:19:30 weekend either :) bye and thx to all! reedy_boy! Aug 11 20:19:37 Haha Aug 11 20:19:38 Cya! Aug 11 23:08:18 I just purchased my nslu2 and im ready to choose a download OS.. Im guessing you can do the most with either Debian/NSLU2 or SlugOS Aug 11 23:09:08 what are you going to use it for Aug 11 23:09:13 depends what you want to do more than anything Aug 11 23:09:13 I'd like to get a confirmation please.. just to make sure im heading in the right direction I'd lean towards Debain Aug 11 23:09:32 Hey DrJ good to see you again.. Im ready to head staight into Linux Aug 11 23:09:38 :) Aug 11 23:09:57 there seems to be enough documentation floating around to find all the Howtos Aug 11 23:10:03 oh yea Aug 11 23:10:08 and you always have this channel Aug 11 23:10:11 then linux should be a pleasure Aug 11 23:10:24 Im not a total stranger to it.. I used to use Redhat 6 years ago Aug 11 23:10:57 I suggest you use unslung myself...unless you really have a reason not to Aug 11 23:11:12 alright so I'll start with downloading the Download Debian/NSLU2 binaries? Aug 11 23:11:24 unslung? why please explain Aug 11 23:11:47 I really wanna start out the right way.. I dont have too much time for redos Aug 11 23:12:11 Theres no "right way", its fitness for purpose Aug 11 23:13:03 I wanna install OpenSSH.. and I want a decent Bitorrent Client, I might wanna install a wireless card sometime in the future.. and I plan on connecting 2 very large hard drives.. I may wish to install a USB Hub Aug 11 23:13:46 and I look forward to running BitchX again as well as well as my ncurses based icq client Aug 11 23:14:46 all can be done with unslung Aug 11 23:14:50 Do remember the NSLU2 is 133/266mhz with 32mb ram Aug 11 23:15:03 Yeah.. Torrents might be an issue huh? Aug 11 23:15:19 As long as you dont expect it to run loads, you should be ok Aug 11 23:15:30 I can live with 2 streams at a time Aug 11 23:15:31 A lot of people have torrent clients with a couple of torrents going Aug 11 23:15:50 Just remember to limit the memory that the torrent app can use. Aug 11 23:16:01 I would be happy as hell if it would also upload whatever im downloading so my ratio doesn't get messed up Aug 11 23:16:12 Hey thats a great idea Aug 11 23:16:38 so general consensus sez Unslung will be fine for me.. can you go more into depth why? Aug 11 23:16:49 I didnt say anything Aug 11 23:17:28 DrJ recommended it Aug 11 23:17:33 * joshin runs Gentoo and SlugOS on his 2 slugs Aug 11 23:17:40 * joshin is nutty Aug 11 23:17:49 Gentoo was always interesting to me Aug 11 23:17:54 but compiling could be a long process Aug 11 23:18:41 I build for my Gentoo slug on my A64's with distcc. Speeds up the process significantly. Aug 11 23:19:06 If I had the know how I might do the same ;) Aug 11 23:19:22 however im gunna stick with what there is most support for Aug 11 23:19:38 at least this time around.. I may purchase a few more slugs off ebay soon enough Aug 11 23:20:16 or I might wait until there is support for the NAS200 by Linksys.. not sure yet Aug 11 23:20:36 it looks so beautiful I wanted to buy it today heh Aug 11 23:22:07 I'm sure there will be Aug 11 23:23:03 DrJ is the reason I should us unslung because I get to keep the linksys web interface? Aug 11 23:23:13 Im trying to understand why I should choose that over debian? Aug 11 23:24:02 I just think its easy to install...works well for me, and can do pretty much anything all the others can do Aug 11 23:24:11 I don't use the linksys interface though Aug 11 23:24:17 I upgraded samba Aug 11 23:24:23 Oh and is it possible to host 1 drive that is ext3 and 1 that is ntsf read/write? Aug 11 23:24:29 which makes most of the stuff in the linksys interface useless Aug 11 23:24:35 lol Aug 11 23:24:51 right on.. I forgot to mention I will be running samba Aug 11 23:25:23 Okay.. so unslung is a easy install and it seems to do it all Aug 11 23:25:30 depends whether the basic linksys samba will suffice - you can upgrade it, but if i remember correctly, can be fiddly Aug 11 23:25:31 I wonder how much flash memory this NAS200 has Aug 11 23:26:08 It's on the wiki Aug 11 23:26:17 I will be using samba because my xbox's both need to read video from it Aug 11 23:26:35 are they making firmware for it yet mwester? Aug 11 23:26:48 Ok.. so if by chance the linksys samba doesn't work for me.. and im using unslung.. can I easily upgrade samba? Aug 11 23:26:56 Someone just dissasembled one; no firmware investigations yet Aug 11 23:27:59 * Hideki says debian debian! :) Aug 11 23:28:01 I'm sure there will be, at least I hope Aug 11 23:28:18 * DrJ_ will put off getting one till there is though Aug 11 23:28:27 same here Aug 11 23:29:22 It's a completely different processor (i386 compatible, not ARM), and it only has 32MB of memory. So I certainly didn't find it to be what I had hoped. The original Rev A DSM-G600 boxes were far more impressive bits of hardware Aug 11 23:29:58 yea, but how much flash memory, for like the firmware, does it have Aug 11 23:30:43 0x800000 - just like the NSLU2 Aug 11 23:31:02 :( Aug 11 23:31:07 I was hoping it would have more Aug 11 23:31:31 I was ok with the flash, I just hoped for a bit faster processor, and 64MB of RAM. Aug 11 23:31:31 DrJ Does Unslung work with NTSF Read/Write? Aug 11 23:31:54 the gumstix boards look interesting.. up to 600 MHz too Aug 11 23:31:55 so basically, its just a NSLU2 with two SATA bays Aug 11 23:31:56 Solarbaby: Not really -- the Linksys NTFS driver is broken. Aug 11 23:32:14 oh thats lame.. eek Aug 11 23:32:26 would be nice to hook up any existing USB Drive Aug 11 23:32:43 DrJ_: Yes, that's about it right now. Hopefully we'll find some other gems as people start to work on the 200 Aug 11 23:32:48 update to the latest optware samba version isn't an issue... Aug 11 23:33:20 so NTFS will work find if you upgrade samba? Aug 11 23:33:24 *fine Aug 11 23:33:46 ntfs != samba Aug 11 23:33:58 I know Aug 11 23:34:07 so what did you mean by this: [07:32:54:pm] update to the latest optware samba version isn't an issue... Aug 11 23:34:16 so, if mike mentioned above, the driver is broken Aug 11 23:35:24 mentioned to Solarbaby, at 01:26 thi8s was my comment on this question Aug 11 23:35:49 * caplink811-log has fat thumbs... Aug 11 23:36:37 you press "i" with your thumb? :) Aug 11 23:36:48 not realy ;) Aug 11 23:37:17 but, maybe this is an option for the future Aug 11 23:37:41 why doesn't someone fix this driver Aug 11 23:37:44 iThumb drive Aug 11 23:37:57 DrJ_: It is proprietary. Aug 11 23:38:02 afair it isn't open source Aug 11 23:38:12 I still dont know where to start.. which OS to choose damnit Aug 11 23:38:37 debian :) Aug 11 23:38:41 Solarbaby: Don't sweat it. You can alway go reflash any firmware you want. Aug 11 23:38:49 Choose one, and if you don't like it, change it! Aug 11 23:38:50 thats a relief Aug 11 23:39:08 I read the devlopers seem to choose debian or gentoo Aug 11 23:39:08 Solarbaby, if you are familiar with linux at all, try debian, if you are a linux newbie try unslung Aug 11 23:39:29 Im not a total newbie with linux.. but I must admit it will take some effort Aug 11 23:39:34 If you are interested in learning *standard* Linux, then go with Debian. Tough install, but there are MANY web resources that can help you once you get it running. Aug 11 23:40:09 Now thats helpful thanks mwester Aug 11 23:40:35 I believe I am interested in standard linux.. redhat was never standard and I always hated that Aug 11 23:40:52 SlugOS (aka OpenSlug) is better for those who want a small, fast Linux on the device. Easy to install, but it lacks all the features of Debian. It is, however, standard Linux. Aug 11 23:40:53 rpm must die :P Aug 11 23:41:28 if SlugOS can't read and write to a NTSF hard drive, its of little use to me.. when the need arises Aug 11 23:41:36 Ah yeah RPM Aug 11 23:41:41 I used to like RPM Aug 11 23:41:53 then I got upset with Redhat and abandoned them Aug 11 23:41:53 Unslung has the only advantage that it is compatible with Linksys and runs the Linksys GUI and tools. The price is that Unslung has a non-standard directory structure, and a very unusual way of handling configuration files, and startup/shutdown files. But, it has a web GUI. Aug 11 23:42:06 Solarbaby, if your goal is to learn linux...maybe you should try an actual distro with a virtual pc Aug 11 23:42:10 OpenWRT is new -- it will probably replace Unslung, but it is not yet ready to do so. Aug 11 23:42:37 DrJ thats a great idea.. but.. I really just want a slimbox thats always online.. doesn't have to do beafy stuff Aug 11 23:42:51 * mwester runs nothing but RedHat and Fedora, and notes that his large customers also run only Red Hat enterprise... Aug 11 23:42:52 just saying, sounds like you want to learn linux Aug 11 23:42:57 mwester, this is a point on the unslung roadmap? Aug 11 23:43:11 with a virtual pc, you can do anything you, screw anything up, just don't save state Aug 11 23:43:17 I do want to get back into linux again.. that is something I've missed over the years Aug 11 23:43:20 stuff just works on debian... like when I plugged in two logitech cams.. usb to serial.. wifi was harder, but it works now :) Aug 11 23:44:02 so im guessing Gentoo might be easier then Debian? Aug 11 23:44:16 caplink811-log: rwhitby's email of a few weeks ago put it on the road map :) Unless Linksys releases a newer firmware, there's little to be gained by upgrading Unslung, since we cannot upgrade the kernel. Aug 11 23:44:36 not easier... it's for those who enjoy compiling everything Aug 11 23:44:47 ah yeah.. I dont really enjoy it Aug 11 23:44:47 compiling is slow on a slug Aug 11 23:44:48 yeah, i read this, and assuming the latter Aug 11 23:44:56 exactly Hideki Aug 11 23:45:26 Debian it is.. Thanks for helping me with all those decisions Aug 11 23:46:42 wow what a tiny downloaed Aug 11 23:47:14 heh! That's just the firmware. The real download happens when you start the install procedure after you flash that and boot it. Aug 11 23:47:42 Ah.. might be an all night download here on my shitty internet Aug 11 23:47:49 are we talking a full cd? Aug 11 23:49:06 hmm, I think it ended up at around 440 MB Aug 11 23:49:21 yeah that'll take a long time for me.. bummer Aug 11 23:49:33 if you're on dialup Aug 11 23:49:45 im a step above dialup.. really shitty satalite Aug 11 23:54:12 should I download Debian with my computer or should I let the NSLU2 download it on its own? Aug 11 23:54:41 let the nslu2 do it Aug 11 23:54:48 Thanks again Aug 12 00:46:24 Ok It looks like my usb stick is too small for debian.. only 1 gig.. so im forced to use my usb 2.0 30 2.5 hard drive.. that should be more then enough Aug 12 00:48:40 1 gig is enough, but you must make sure it has a swap partition that's large enough Aug 12 00:50:20 I think the wiki says 256 MB, which is 1/4th of the whole stick Aug 12 00:50:58 Ah.. im not going to risk it :) I'll sacrafice a 30 gig drive for the operating system.. do you think thats a waste? Aug 12 00:51:26 Im sure I could always copy all contents of this hd over to a memory stick when I obtain a larger one Aug 12 00:52:25 that's ok too Aug 12 00:52:34 then thats a good plan Aug 12 00:52:53 have you hooked up a usb wireless card to yours yet? Aug 12 00:55:16 yes Aug 12 00:55:32 Edimax EW-7318USg Aug 12 00:59:20 right on! Aug 12 00:59:34 I have 2 usb linksys wifi devices Aug 12 00:59:40 I guess I'll try those first **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Aug 12 02:59:57 2007