**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 16 02:59:57 2007
Aug 16 03:13:39 <Solarbaby> is there a resumable download manager available for UnSlung?
Aug 16 03:21:55 <mwester> wget
Aug 16 03:23:08 <Solarbaby> so I could point wget at a website file and it will download and resume?
Aug 16 03:23:19 <Solarbaby> damn I've been missing out on the good stuff
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Aug 16 07:31:55 <PPmarcel> hello. My root passwd has changed, but i didn't touched it before
Aug 16 07:32:00 <PPmarcel> what is this heck?
Aug 16 07:32:40 <PPmarcel> i have to reflash it
Aug 16 07:32:41 <PPmarcel> ?
Aug 16 07:35:29 <DrJ_> hey
Aug 16 07:35:37 <DrJ_> np
Aug 16 07:35:39 <DrJ_> we can fix
Aug 16 07:35:59 <PPmarcel> ah yess!! :D
Aug 16 07:36:06 <DrJ_> so are we talking about the root password with the disk in or out?
Aug 16 07:36:13 <PPmarcel> in
Aug 16 07:36:15 <DrJ_> k
Aug 16 07:36:18 <DrJ_> unplug the disk
Aug 16 07:36:19 <DrJ_> and boot
Aug 16 07:36:21 <DrJ_> the slug
Aug 16 07:36:25 <PPmarcel> i tried the c program, but i can't edit it with vi
Aug 16 07:36:29 <PPmarcel> ok
Aug 16 07:37:06 <DrJ_> once you get into telnet, plug in the disk
Aug 16 07:37:13 <PPmarcel> i use openslug
Aug 16 07:37:17 <PPmarcel> that don't change?
Aug 16 07:37:27 <DrJ_> well, I don't believe so
Aug 16 07:37:30 <PPmarcel> ok
Aug 16 07:37:39 <PPmarcel> i use the old passwd?
Aug 16 07:37:54 <DrJ_> whatever it is orginally
Aug 16 07:38:00 <DrJ_> I'm not familiar with openslug
Aug 16 07:38:08 <DrJ_> but with unslung its the root/uNSLUng
Aug 16 07:38:16 <PPmarcel> ok
Aug 16 07:38:31 <PPmarcel> you are good with unslung?
Aug 16 07:38:37 <DrJ_> sort of
Aug 16 07:38:43 <DrJ_> not an expert by any means
Aug 16 07:38:49 <PPmarcel> :)
Aug 16 07:39:03 <PPmarcel> it worked, thx
Aug 16 07:39:18 <DrJ_> well, at this point
Aug 16 07:39:25 <DrJ_> you need to change the root password on the slug
Aug 16 07:39:33 <PPmarcel> passwd root?
Aug 16 07:39:40 <DrJ_> try that
Aug 16 07:39:56 <PPmarcel> ok, i logout now and i try
Aug 16 07:40:09 <PPmarcel> it's ok now
Aug 16 07:40:11 <PPmarcel> ty
Aug 16 07:40:13 <DrJ_> :)
Aug 16 07:40:13 <DrJ_> np
Aug 16 07:40:23 <PPmarcel> i changed from unslung for something smaller
Aug 16 07:40:36 <PPmarcel> caus i fear that i ask too much with the nas
Aug 16 07:40:36 * DrJ_ should probably go openslug
Aug 16 07:40:50 <DrJ_> since I don't use any of the linksys parts of it anyways
Aug 16 07:40:56 <PPmarcel> me neither
Aug 16 07:41:03 <DrJ_> I have unslung
Aug 16 07:41:08 <DrJ_> but upgraded samba
Aug 16 07:41:08 <PPmarcel> wait i'll give you something about openslug
Aug 16 07:41:31 <DrJ_> only thing I use linksys web control for is setting DNS (like once every 100 years) or maybe setting the time or soemthing
Aug 16 07:42:04 <PPmarcel> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe
Aug 16 07:42:13 <PPmarcel> it's the unslung package list for openslug
Aug 16 07:42:25 <PPmarcel> when you intall openslug, you don't have these packages
Aug 16 07:42:36 <PPmarcel> you just have to follow this guide
Aug 16 07:42:54 <PPmarcel> what do you use your slug for?
Aug 16 07:43:27 <DrJ_> print server, web server (for posting small codes snipplets mostly), file server (main)
Aug 16 07:43:35 <PPmarcel> ook
Aug 16 07:44:12 <PPmarcel> i want it for downloading, share with samba and nfs, ftp serv and music serv
Aug 16 07:44:20 <PPmarcel> but just little users
Aug 16 07:44:38 <PPmarcel> that's too much i think, i don't tried yet
Aug 16 07:45:03 * DrJ_ broke the print server though
Aug 16 07:45:06 <DrJ_> upgraded cups
Aug 16 07:45:09 <DrJ_> ever since
Aug 16 07:45:14 <DrJ_> can't get printing to work again
Aug 16 07:45:15 <PPmarcel> that's great, with mplayer-firefox, i can read by stream my ftp's video over the net
Aug 16 07:45:22 <PPmarcel> :)
Aug 16 07:45:50 <PPmarcel> how it can be used as print server? you plug a pinrt on it?
Aug 16 07:46:05 <PPmarcel> i never thought at it :)
Aug 16 07:46:17 <DrJ_> just a USB printer
Aug 16 07:46:19 <DrJ_> which are common
Aug 16 07:46:34 <PPmarcel> ok
Aug 16 07:46:42 <DrJ_> my printer worked right away
Aug 16 07:46:47 <DrJ_> I installed cups
Aug 16 07:46:51 <DrJ_> plugged in my printer
Aug 16 07:46:54 <DrJ_> added it in samba
Aug 16 07:46:59 <DrJ_> I was printing on it within minutes
Aug 16 07:47:04 <DrJ_> but when I upgraded
Aug 16 07:47:07 <DrJ_> it stopped working
Aug 16 07:47:41 <PPmarcel> you should upgrade only if you really look for a particular new fuction
Aug 16 07:47:47 <DrJ_> yea
Aug 16 07:47:54 <PPmarcel> ut i'm like you :)
Aug 16 07:47:58 <PPmarcel> but*
Aug 16 07:48:07 * DrJ_ didn't play with it that much
Aug 16 07:48:11 <PPmarcel> i try all new version of linux
Aug 16 07:48:14 <DrJ_> If I get motivated to try to figure it out
Aug 16 07:48:19 <DrJ_> I probably could get it working again
Aug 16 07:48:24 <PPmarcel> maybe
Aug 16 07:48:41 <DrJ_> If you try tons of linux versions
Aug 16 07:48:50 <DrJ_> you should consider trying them in a virtual machine
Aug 16 07:49:09 <PPmarcel> good idea
Aug 16 07:49:30 * DrJ_ got fedora 8 working in MS Virtual PC 2007
Aug 16 07:49:43 <DrJ_> have one that will run knoppix also
Aug 16 07:49:57 <DrJ_> and windows 2000
Aug 16 07:50:16 <DrJ_> use the windows 2000 machine to do stuff I don't feel safe doing on PC
Aug 16 07:50:22 <PPmarcel> i will try to install a game with wine
Aug 16 07:50:24 <DrJ_> like running key gens
Aug 16 07:50:26 <DrJ_> :)
Aug 16 07:50:34 <PPmarcel> lol yes
Aug 16 07:50:43 <DrJ_> run keygen, write down key
Aug 16 07:50:48 <DrJ_> don't save state
Aug 16 07:50:57 <DrJ_> anything the keygen installed on the OS is gone
Aug 16 07:52:16 <PPmarcel> what is the name of an ide readeR?
Aug 16 07:52:22 <DrJ_> idk
Aug 16 07:52:39 <PPmarcel> i haven't it in dev
Aug 16 07:53:40 <PPmarcel> it was cdrom :)
Aug 16 07:55:15 <PPmarcel> what easy ftp i can use?
Aug 16 07:55:20 <PPmarcel> for the slug
Aug 16 08:01:46 <PPmarcel> hum, the password don't work when i launch the slug from the hdd
Aug 16 14:58:27 <zpertee> I'm installing debian on my nsul2 and when the firmware is upgrading it says that there isn't enough space.  what do I do about that?
Aug 16 15:02:58 <ch4os_> try upslug2 instead of web interface
Aug 16 15:03:09 <mwester> zpertee:  see the wiki.  Basically, use another method other than the web interface to do the firmware install.  Try the reset-button method described on the wiki - that always seems to work.  www.nslu2-linux.org
Aug 16 15:03:16 <Hideki> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/WebUpgradeErrors
Aug 16 15:03:55 <ch4os_> and zpertee don't forget to check md5 sum
Aug 16 15:04:03 <zpertee> ok thanks for the info
Aug 16 15:04:05 <jelle> second that. oh, no, fourth that
Aug 16 15:04:37 <Hideki> the reset button is your friend
Aug 16 15:04:46 <jelle> last slug I bought never ever got to show its webinterface. flashed it right out of the box
Aug 16 15:04:47 <Hideki> the web interface is not :)
Aug 16 15:05:38 <jelle> little warning: the colors of the led (blinking to show ready for flash) have changed. I think I updated the wiki
Aug 16 15:06:40 <mwester> Yeah, the "red" is really nothing more than a deeper shade of "orange" on one of mine... :(
Aug 16 15:06:43 <jelle> I flash from windows using "Upgrade Utility"
Aug 16 15:07:38 <jelle> mwester: yes, it is even hard to see that it is really flashing: orange-otherorange-orange-otherorange
Aug 16 15:09:23 <Hideki> and to get the sercomm software: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/SercommFirmwareUpdater
Aug 16 15:09:23 <jelle> (insert any other color if you are colorblind)
Aug 16 15:09:41 <jelle> hey, don't spoil zpertee 
Aug 16 15:09:44 <Hideki> you could change the leds and make it blue and pink
Aug 16 15:09:58 <zpertee> I have a stupid question, how do you check md5 sums.  I'm running windows and I have no idea how to do it
Aug 16 15:10:19 <mwester> There are other LED pads on the circuit board -- we could add another set.  Interesting (if pointless) hack...
Aug 16 15:11:17 <jelle> go for it
Aug 16 15:11:18 <mwester> zpertee:  google says: http://www.md5summer.org/
Aug 16 15:11:34 <jelle> google is your second best friend
Aug 16 15:11:57 <jelle> (the friend that actually knows more about you than you think)
Aug 16 15:12:12 <zpertee> amen
Aug 16 15:12:25 <mwester> Yes, it's scary to google yourself...
Aug 16 16:26:58 <widrone> Never egosurf google, it hurts your eyes. 
Aug 16 16:27:44 <widrone> My mother did that once, she called me crying.
Aug 16 16:30:05 <widrone> On the topic of md5sum, I think I need to check the latest wrt firmware I downloaded. It crashes the unzipping util on my Mac. 
Aug 16 16:38:10 <widrone> Its toothpicktime again! 
Aug 16 16:46:28 <zpertee> help.  I've screwed my nslu2 up how can I get it back to original
Aug 16 16:47:42 <Hideki> how did you screw it up?
Aug 16 16:48:53 <zpertee> I just uploaded the debain firmware via the web interface and now I can't get it to do anything
Aug 16 16:50:33 <Hideki> can't ssh into it?
Aug 16 16:51:05 <zpertee> no.  I can ping it but that is it
Aug 16 16:51:59 <Hideki> well, you didn't use sercomm as suggested :)
Aug 16 16:52:26 <Hideki> but I guess you need it now if you want to flash back to something else
Aug 16 16:53:32 <zpertee> so can I still user sercomm or is it too late.  I'm slightly confused.
Aug 16 16:54:01 <widrone> you can put it into forced upgrademode and flash it again 
Aug 16 16:54:37 <Hideki> I'd say that's the preferred way of flashing it
Aug 16 16:54:47 <widrone> I am using one nslu2 to flash another as we speak now :)
Aug 16 16:54:54 <Hideki> hehe
Aug 16 16:55:04 <widrone> Hideki: Agree on that, its easy and almost always work. 
Aug 16 16:55:37 <widrone> And if it dont, just toothpick it again. 
Aug 16 16:56:04 <Hideki> witness the awesome power of the toothpick
Aug 16 16:56:42 <zpertee> so I can just reset it and then it will go back to the way it was when I bought it?
Aug 16 16:57:12 <Hideki> I guess you didn't read the docs zpertee
Aug 16 16:57:50 <Hideki> you need to flash it back to the original. or flash it with slugos or unslung etc.
Aug 16 16:57:50 <zpertee> Hideki: what I don't get is why does it turn off the second I press the reset button
Aug 16 16:58:00 <zpertee> ok
Aug 16 16:58:10 <widrone> or the debian installer again, if that is what you wanted  
Aug 16 16:58:49 <Hideki> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseTheResetButtonToEnterUpgradeMode
Aug 16 16:58:50 <widrone> Oh the default dnsmasq on the openwrt firmware is annoying. It starts to argue with my lan dhcp server. :/
Aug 16 16:59:06 <Hideki> you don't simply press the button
Aug 16 17:03:04 <widrone> Not that its hard to configure out of it, so dont take this as "a bad thing".
Aug 16 17:06:18 <widrone> Im just so amazed by how small the wrt is, its like 9mb in ram when booted.
Aug 16 18:08:09 <widrone> And I was hoping to fit all the bluetooth, gpsd and python in the firmware. No luck it seems, an no wonder really. 
Aug 16 18:08:30 <widrone> Ehm, not firmware but the buildt in flash that is. 
Aug 16 18:11:13 <widrone> Guess its time to start stripping packages until either I got the room or the thing crashes.
Aug 16 18:11:29 <widrone> Nothing like a little trial and error
Aug 16 18:47:49 <mwester> remove python
Aug 16 18:53:44 <widrone> Yeah, the python install filled the flash and stuff started segfaulting. Not even enough room to remove it in the end. 
Aug 16 19:15:37 <digii__> aaah finaly got a sucess debian installation
Aug 16 19:17:50 <widrone> digii__: Woot! Gratulations are in order then I guess. 
Aug 16 20:01:11 <eno> widrone: if you have to put a scripting language in built-in firmware, pick lua
Aug 16 20:02:44 <widrone> eno: Thanks for the tip, python seems to put it over the edge really. 
Aug 16 20:03:16 <widrone> Only went for it since gpsd likes it so much really.
Aug 16 20:49:08 <mwester> miniperl is ok, too IMO
Aug 16 20:55:21 <widrone> I think its called microperl, least that is what I found in the feed now. 
Aug 16 21:02:19 <mwester> If microperl is in the feeds, that's even better!
Aug 16 21:03:30 <mwester> Miniperl is actually just an intermediate stage for Perl in the build process, and wasn't intended to be a real interpreter like Microperl was.  Cool! :)
Aug 16 21:06:33 <Hideki> any nanoperl yet?
Aug 16 21:07:36 <mwester> Yes:  /bin/true
Aug 16 21:08:11 <mwester> (Certain sacrifices had to be made to make it so small, such as actually doing anything useful!) :p
Aug 16 21:08:18 <Hideki> sw33t
Aug 16 21:09:03 <mwester> In all seriousness, the question of a suitable scripting tool for embedded devices remains unresolved.
Aug 16 21:09:35 <mwester> About the only thing you can count on is /bin/sh, and that does nothing for web or gui.
Aug 16 21:38:42 <eno> there is a nanoblogger package in optware that depends only on sh, sed and awk
Aug 17 02:34:28 <solarbaby> the learning curve on Irssi is kinda high for me.. anyone know it?
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