**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 26 02:59:57 2007
Aug 26 10:07:21 <McMadd> I'm planning on running SlugOs/BE from a Flash stick
Aug 26 10:07:47 <McMadd> Only thing I can't figure out is what is the best place to put a swap
Aug 26 10:08:49 <McMadd> If I put the swap on the stick to wouldn't that result in more read/write actions which should be limited if possible?
Aug 26 10:13:00 <McMadd> Also, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/InitialisingDisks talks about creating a partition for home to. I guess that doesn't apply to a Flash stick setup either? (to save the stick)
Aug 26 11:33:20 <Piksou> morning
Aug 26 11:33:34 <Piksou> ah this looks better of end-user questions
Aug 26 11:34:23 <Reedy_Boy> ^o)
Aug 26 11:34:33 <Piksou> someone to help me ? cannot compile Openslug using SlogOS 3.10 beta, log is on http://piksoufree.free.fr/log.do_rootfs.29573 . I do not understand what's wrong this time
Aug 26 11:34:50 <Piksou> it tried the ipkf update of course but no result: no ipkg on the system
Aug 26 11:35:12 <Piksou> (seems logic since ipkg is on the nslu, is it not ?)
Aug 26 11:36:29 <Piksou> (btw: compiling on a debian stable in VirtualPC, the system was installed only for that purpose so it may be a missing util)
Aug 26 11:36:56 <Piksou> and i almost forgot: please :)
Aug 26 11:45:15 <Piksou> OK the error happens the same way when I try to run ipkg-make-index by hand: tar complains about characters matching wildcards
Aug 26 11:46:05 <Piksou> but I have no idea why this happens and how to fix it, i don't even know what ipkg-make-index is doing and why he needs tar :(
Aug 26 11:48:03 <Piksou> well maybe I'll juste wait until US guys are up :) the world doesn't live in CET
Aug 26 11:48:37 <Reedy_Boy> You've posted your query, most of the people who are likely to know are here/idling
Aug 26 11:48:47 <Reedy_Boy> So chances are, if you stay in, someone may get back to you to help out
Aug 26 11:48:52 <Piksou> ok
Aug 26 11:48:57 <Piksou> thanks i'll do that :)
Aug 26 14:03:30 <Hideki> everyone sure idles a lot in here
Aug 26 14:08:47 <joshin> Would you rather us sing and dance for you?  :p
Aug 26 14:09:15 <Hideki> that would be great
Aug 26 14:09:37 <Hideki> do the slug dance
Aug 26 14:22:03 <Hideki> Piksou, sing and dance!
Aug 26 14:22:23 <Piksou[1]> ?
Aug 26 14:22:42 <Hideki> we need some entertainment
Aug 26 14:22:56 <Hideki> so could you do the slug dance?
Aug 26 14:23:39 <Piksou[1]> ah :) hmmm i can play the "guy who tries to understand the python of ipkg-make-index but is clueless", it's an interresting drama
Aug 26 14:23:59 <Piksou[1]> a very sad story :)
Aug 26 14:24:18 <Hideki> scripts were npt made to be understood
Aug 26 14:24:22 <Hideki> not*
Aug 26 14:24:44 <Piksou[1]> but it's true that there is little activity on this chan, i have wikipedia-fr opened on the same server and they talk a lot more :)
Aug 26 14:25:20 <Hideki> too bad I don't speak french
Aug 26 14:25:34 <Piksou[1]> where are you from, Hideki ?
Aug 26 14:25:37 <Hideki> norway
Aug 26 14:25:49 <Piksou[1]> ah nice place :)
Aug 26 14:26:08 <Hideki> yes, if you like cold weather
Aug 26 14:26:15 <Piksou[1]> I tried to there this year for my internship but.. I had no success
Aug 26 14:26:48 <Piksou[1]> well i survived 2 years in Munich, Germany, maybe not as cold as Norway but...
Aug 26 14:29:58 <Hideki> I made a terminal for the slug with a propeller chip
Aug 26 14:30:36 <Hideki> works fine now... but it's a pain to support all the escape sequences
Aug 26 14:31:35 * Piksou[1] is looking on google what a propeller chip is
Aug 26 14:32:04 <Hideki> a cool microcontroller
Aug 26 14:32:20 <Hideki> with 8 cores
Aug 26 14:32:41 <Piksou[1]> ah ok, i didn't knew this one
Aug 26 14:32:47 <Hideki> sure, they only run at 80 MHz or so... but they can still produce vga output
Aug 26 14:33:14 <Piksou[1]> that sounds a lot better that the 8051 i was using this year :)
Aug 26 14:33:43 <Piksou[1]> and why are you using this instead of telnet/ssh ?
Aug 26 14:34:04 <Hideki> brb phone
Aug 26 14:34:22 <Piksou[1]> ok
Aug 26 14:47:44 <Hideki> it was fun to do, and it's great for extra debugging output
Aug 26 14:49:01 <Hideki> the prototype looks like a mess: http://84.210.137.113:8181/files/hterm2.jpg
Aug 26 14:50:34 <Hideki> but works...  http://84.210.137.113:8181/files/hterm.jpg
Aug 26 14:50:54 <Hideki> umm, some buffering bugs in that picture though
Aug 26 14:58:01 <Piksou[1]> back
Aug 26 14:58:50 <Piksou[1]> nice :)
Aug 26 15:00:25 <Hideki> 8051 is ancient :)
Aug 26 15:01:33 <Piksou[1]> yup but that what we used @school. that and coldfire (derivative of 68000) before. Ok I've also used some nice ARM but not at school :)
Aug 26 15:03:49 <Piksou[1]> but 8 cores, that's a little too much for me, too complicated to manage...
Aug 26 15:04:02 <Hideki> nah, it's easy
Aug 26 15:07:47 <Hideki> the spin programming language is like a bastard child of python and basic... or something
Aug 26 15:08:43 <Piksou[1]> this does NOT sound sexy :)
Aug 26 15:08:54 <Piksou[1]> I want C :)
Aug 26 15:09:02 <Piksou[1]> C++ is necessary
Aug 26 15:09:05 <Hideki> you can always use assembler if you're hardcore
Aug 26 15:09:12 <Piksou[1]> >_<
Aug 26 15:09:21 <Piksou[1]> I did on Motorola :)
Aug 26 15:09:22 <Hideki> no c compiler for it yet
Aug 26 15:09:33 <Piksou[1]> and a little on X86 when i was young
Aug 26 15:10:24 <Hideki> it's all part of my evil plan to use the slug as a robot controller
Aug 26 15:11:22 <Piksou[1]> robot controller => automation => pure evil :)
Aug 26 15:11:35 <Piksou[1]> laplace & so
Aug 26 15:12:01 <Piksou[1]> my worst nightmares
Aug 26 15:12:08 <Hideki> got no need for that :)
Aug 26 15:12:12 <Piksou[1]> but actually cool when it works
Aug 26 15:14:08 <Hideki> there's no need to follow any rigid procedure like in school, so it's fun :)
Aug 26 15:14:30 <Piksou[1]> you can specify your code after you coded it ;)
Aug 26 15:14:57 * Piksou[1] wonders if specify is also used in that sense in english
Aug 26 15:15:46 <Hideki> seems ok
Aug 26 15:16:04 <Piksou[1]> ok
Aug 26 15:16:30 <Piksou[1]> well i'll go do some physical activities instead of reading python
Aug 26 15:16:38 <Piksou[1]> my bike is waiting :)
Aug 26 15:16:53 <Piksou[1]> hope someone will here my desperate complaint :)
Aug 26 15:17:06 <Piksou[1]> Have a nice sunday Hodeki
Aug 26 15:17:31 <Hideki> happy biking!
Aug 26 18:41:21 <Piksou> Hmm maybe I should try a mail in some mailing list...
Aug 26 18:41:54 <DrJ> ?
Aug 26 18:42:14 <Piksou> just whinning about my pb of this morning :)
Aug 26 18:42:22 <Piksou> you didn't see ?
Aug 26 18:42:28 <DrJ> oh
Aug 26 18:42:40 <Piksou> :)
Aug 26 19:53:10 <StylusEater> hi.  I just did the following: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack.html but when I reboot after installing the etch firmware I get "beep beep beep."  The network is up, but the disk is not mounted.  I verified my fstab and it "looks" ok but it's evidently not since I can't get the disk to attach properly.
Aug 26 20:09:26 <StylusEater> any ideas?
Aug 26 20:10:48 <Hideki> what do the logs say?
Aug 26 20:11:50 <Hideki> mm I guess you don't have any
Aug 26 20:26:48 <StylusEater> Hideki: no I don't.  :-/
Aug 26 20:26:59 <StylusEater> Hideki: I've resorted to a "retry"
Aug 26 20:27:02 <StylusEater> thx though
Aug 26 20:37:46 <Hideki> the serial port is your friend :)
Aug 26 20:42:06 <Reedy_Boy> I wish my debian slug was serialed, rather than my usnlung one
Aug 26 20:42:09 <Reedy_Boy> or both were
Aug 26 20:44:06 <eno> Piksou: TAR_OPTIONS=--wildcards is a work around for your ipkg-make-index problem
Aug 26 20:44:32 <Piksou> eno: I love you, marry me :) I'll try it
Aug 26 20:52:10 <Piksou> hmmm strange: i did a "export TAR_OPTIONS = --wildcards", as expected echo $TAR_OPTIONS gives --wildcards and I still have the message :/ Could the script be interfering with the sys variable ?
Aug 26 21:12:25 <eno> Piksou: can you make sure no space on both sides of =?
Aug 26 21:13:59 <Piksou> i'm sure there was none, i alors tried with "TAR_OPTIONS=--wildcard make openslug-image" and the result was the same
Aug 26 21:13:59 <eno> we worked around exact same problem in optware/make/ipkg-utils.mk on line 132
Aug 26 21:14:23 <Piksou> looks like make and/or ipkg ignorent the sys variables
Aug 26 21:14:33 <Piksou> ignore
Aug 26 21:14:45 <eno> how about "TAR_OPTIONS=--wildcard ipkg-make-index" ?
Aug 26 21:15:03 <Piksou> i'll try it
Aug 26 21:15:25 <eno> i've seen bitbake clean all environment variables before
Aug 26 21:15:42 <eno> in it's own environment
Aug 26 21:17:45 <Piksou> btw there are 3 ipkg-make-index on the system
Aug 26 21:17:56 <Piksou> not witch one i should use
Aug 26 21:18:16 <Piksou> one in  work/ipkg-link
Aug 26 21:18:26 <Piksou> one in  work/ipkg-utils-naive
Aug 26 21:18:56 <Piksou> the last one in staging/i686-linux/bin
Aug 26 21:19:07 <Piksou> i would bet on the last one but...
Aug 26 21:22:47 <Piksou> works with the last one :)
Aug 26 21:22:52 <Piksou> no error this time
Aug 26 21:26:05 <Piksou> ok this works but make still tries and fails
Aug 26 21:26:19 <Piksou> the log is very similar
Aug 26 21:26:30 <Piksou> i dunno where to fix the Makefile
Aug 26 21:26:34 <Piksou> and.
Aug 26 21:26:51 <Piksou> and/or the BB, i don't fully understand the build process
Aug 26 21:27:12 <r42_PinG> hi
Aug 26 21:27:19 <Piksou> hey ping
Aug 26 21:27:32 <r42_PinG> hey Piksou
Aug 26 21:27:39 <Piksou> eno any clue ?
Aug 26 22:16:57 <caplink811> morning guys :)
Aug 26 22:18:53 <mwester> Greetings caplink811 
Aug 26 22:19:26 <Piksou> hmmm gotta go to bed, it's 0:18 here in CET-land
Aug 26 22:19:49 <caplink811> as it is in mest land too ;)
Aug 26 22:19:58 <Piksou> eno if you find something, that would be great, i'll be back tomorrow evening
Aug 26 22:20:03 <Piksou> evening here of course
Aug 26 22:20:27 <Piksou> maybe i'll open a new topic on the yahoo group
Aug 26 22:21:00 <Piksou> anyway if you need to mail me, you take my nick, add @ and then laposte a little dot and net
Aug 26 22:21:13 <Piksou> good night folks
Aug 27 02:02:11 <Labyr|nth> hello... having trouble install nano on my nslu2.  I've gone ipkg install nano, but after that I'm a little lost.  I'm on unslung 6.8
Aug 27 02:06:06 <DrJ> what's the problem
Aug 27 02:06:11 <DrJ> did it finish installing?
Aug 27 02:18:26 <Labyr|nth> yes
Aug 27 02:18:31 <Labyr|nth> sorry for delay
Aug 27 02:19:03 <Labyr|nth> it installed and then I type nano at the prompt and get a "no such file or directory"
Aug 27 02:19:36 <Labyr|nth> vi is just too frustrating for me to want to learn
Aug 27 02:19:45 <Labyr|nth> I can get some stuff working, but not much
Aug 27 02:31:55 <mwester> Labyr|nth:  did you install openssh, or are you still using telnet?
Aug 27 02:32:27 <Labyr|nth> tying to get the rsa key in working with ssh but having difficulties without nano
Aug 27 02:32:43 <Labyr|nth> so, I'm still using telnet
Aug 27 02:33:24 <mwester> You can use ssh without the key stuff.
Aug 27 02:33:46 <Labyr|nth> really... never had luck with that then
Aug 27 02:33:48 <mwester> Use it just like a replacement for telnet.  The difference is that SSH knows where things like "nano" get installed.
Aug 27 02:34:12 <Labyr|nth> hmm... i just thought they were remote protocols
Aug 27 02:34:16 <mwester> If you use telnet, you need to either set your PATH environment variable, or remember to type "/opt/bin/nano" instead of just "nano"
Aug 27 02:34:26 <Labyr|nth> ahh
Aug 27 02:34:33 <Labyr|nth> how do I use ssh without rsa keys then
Aug 27 02:34:46 <mwester> a) get a windows client, like PuTTY.
Aug 27 02:34:54 <Labyr|nth> os x
Aug 27 02:35:10 <mwester> Ok, find equivalent for OS X then...
Aug 27 02:35:32 <Labyr|nth> usually through ssh in terminal... but I get the rsa key requirement
Aug 27 02:35:32 <mwester> Then just invoke your client, and give it the address of your slug -- it'll prompt you for your id and  password.
Aug 27 02:35:46 <mwester> Enter "root" and you password you provided at unslinging time, and you're in.
Aug 27 02:36:19 <mwester> How do you know that you "get the rsa key requirement"? 
Aug 27 02:36:36 <Labyr|nth> i seem to get a host key verification failure
Aug 27 02:36:53 <mwester> Ok, that's fine -- it should go ahead and then prompt for a password.
Aug 27 02:37:08 <Labyr|nth> but it doesn't.  it kicks me to the prompt
Aug 27 02:37:17 <mwester> Perhaps the problem is your client doesn't fall back to passwords after the key fails?  Check the docs for your client.
Aug 27 02:37:34 <mwester> Or, use /opt/bin/nano to edit and setup your keys, if you wish.
Aug 27 02:37:54 <Labyr|nth> allright.  I think you've been able to answer my questions.  thanks much
Aug 27 02:38:01 <mwester> np - good luck.
Aug 27 02:38:04 <Labyr|nth> i'll try using proper paths first
Aug 27 02:39:52 <Labyr|nth> error opening terminal: unknown
Aug 27 02:39:59 <Labyr|nth> no luck so far
Aug 27 02:41:44 <Hideki> http://www.panix.com/help/sw.macosx-ssh.html
Aug 27 02:41:56 <Hideki> seems like it has ssh
Aug 27 02:48:35 <mwester> Try something like "TERM=ansi /opt/bin/nano" (assuming that your terminal emulator on the mac emulates an ANSI standard terminal...)
Aug 27 02:49:12 <Labyr|nth> success with that one
Aug 27 02:49:14 <Labyr|nth> tnx
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