**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 05 02:59:57 2007
Oct 05 03:00:57 <mike390> hey u there
Oct 05 03:01:09 <mike390>  i dunno i am tryin to overclock mine into turboslug but when i removed that resistor its still saying that its 131 not 266 or whatever what else do i have to do?  
Oct 05 03:19:28 <ByronT> newer slugs did not / do not need the resistor removed
Oct 05 03:23:29 <ByronT> knowing how the ixp420 is clocked, I'm just not sure how you can *not* get 266 if the R83 resistor is removed
Oct 05 03:24:07 <mwester> If you remove the wrong resistor...
Oct 05 03:24:17 <ByronT> but even then...
Oct 05 03:24:57 <ByronT> according to docs for the cpu, 133 is only available because linksys screwed up (they were using an undocumented clocking)
Oct 05 03:25:27 <ByronT> back in the early days of the overclock (I was one of the first 10 to do it).....
Oct 05 03:25:46 <ByronT> we had a discussion as to which resistors could be / should be removed
Oct 05 03:25:52 <mike390> i removed the right one and when i check using that cat /proc/whatever commant it says its all the same version as the screenshots inthe wiki
Oct 05 03:26:16 <mike390> its basically theres 4 resistors and u remove the 3rd one down right
Oct 05 03:26:40 <ByronT> others removed different resistors (well pulled up the existing resistor temporarily) and we *always* got 266
Oct 05 03:26:53 <ByronT> no matter which resistor was removed
Oct 05 03:27:10 <mwester> What are you looking at to determine the speed of the device?
Oct 05 03:27:41 <ByronT> mwester, on that overclocking page - look at the table for the "Settings for the core clock speed"
Oct 05 03:28:00 <ByronT> only one shows 133 - and it is an undocumented setting at that!
Oct 05 03:28:16 <mwester> No, I mean how does mike390 know that his slug is NOT running at 266MHz?
Oct 05 03:28:29 <ByronT> oh... :)
Oct 05 03:28:31 <mike390> i use this command: cat /proc/cpuinfo 
Oct 05 03:28:43 <ByronT> paste the output?
Oct 05 03:29:31 <mike390> sure one second
Oct 05 03:31:20 <mike390> it rebooted so i have to wait for it to finish... take s a while
Oct 05 03:31:31 <ByronT> np
Oct 05 03:34:28 <mike390> http://pastebin.com/m6abad401
Oct 05 03:37:17 <ByronT> hmmm... that's an underclocked slug alright....
Oct 05 03:38:30 <mike390> yea...
Oct 05 03:40:46 <ByronT> so where those set of resistors are - the bottom two locations are clean?
Oct 05 03:41:01 <mike390> yea
Oct 05 03:41:16 <ByronT> I would consider taking an exacto knife and scraping *between* the pads
Oct 05 03:41:35 <mike390> i used tweezers, and it sorta shattered the resister
Oct 05 03:41:45 <mike390> theres some so make the silver clean?
Oct 05 03:42:04 <ByronT> there should be visible green between the pads
Oct 05 03:43:22 <ByronT> as we've been discussing, literally any alteration to those set of resistors shoud result in a "de-underclocked" slug
Oct 05 03:43:36 <mike390> okay mabe i did the wrong one i think
Oct 05 03:43:40 <mike390> i unno im confused now
Oct 05 03:43:43 <mike390> i opened it
Oct 05 03:43:48 <ByronT> so potentially, just enough of the shattered resistor is left?
Oct 05 03:44:05 <mike390> and under r84 theres 2 then the one i took out and then one underneath it and then theres a clean never been used socket
Oct 05 03:44:24 <ByronT> hmmm
Oct 05 03:44:34 <ByronT> you just found another undocumented setting then
Oct 05 03:44:42 <mike390> wow i think i took out the one above it by accident
Oct 05 03:44:48 <mike390> im such a retard lol
Oct 05 03:44:55 <ByronT> under R84 there were *four* resistors
Oct 05 03:45:05 <mike390> yea
Oct 05 03:45:10 <mike390> i took out the 3rd one down
Oct 05 03:45:37 <ByronT> the bottom-most one is the one to be removed....
Oct 05 03:45:57 <mike390> shit i dun even kno what i was thinking lol....
Oct 05 03:46:21 <mike390> what does the resister i moved do
Oct 05 03:48:44 <mike390> can i still remove the othe rone?
Oct 05 03:48:49 <ByronT> yes
Oct 05 03:49:12 <mike390> will the mistake i made have adverse effects?
Oct 05 03:49:23 <ByronT> hmmm... not sure what R82 traces to
Oct 05 03:49:33 <ByronT> but it doesn't trace to the clocking!
Oct 05 03:49:45 <mike390> so i can remove r83 and r82
Oct 05 03:50:06 <ByronT> well..... you weren't supposed to remove r82....
Oct 05 03:50:17 <ByronT> you can definitely remove R83
Oct 05 03:50:41 <ByronT> if you're up to it, I would consider de-soldering r83 and moving it to R82 position
Oct 05 03:50:57 <mike390> yea thats what i was thinking
Oct 05 03:51:12 <mike390> It turns out that the resistor is used for holding data like board revisions and stuff
Oct 05 03:52:00 <mike390> http://www.nabble.com/overclocking---anybody-know-what-R82-does--t1806950.html
Oct 05 03:52:51 <ByronT> there ya go.... (personally been a while since I pulled out the soldering station for my slugs....)
Oct 05 03:53:02 <mike390> yea
Oct 05 03:53:07 <mike390> im gonna pull it out with tweezers
Oct 05 03:53:23 <mike390> is it possible to pull it out without shattering it or will i  have to b lucky lol
Oct 05 03:53:48 <ByronT> only way to do without shattering in *my* personal experience is to de-solder
Oct 05 03:54:28 <ByronT> course, after my second or third or fourth de-underclock, I just starting using an exacto knife
Oct 05 03:55:01 <mike390> okay shattered
Oct 05 03:55:04 <mike390> lol
Oct 05 03:56:34 <osas> yeah, the knife is the best ;-)
Oct 05 03:56:54 <mike390> i wud be scared to scratch the board
Oct 05 03:57:07 <mike390> okay so since its 266 will i notice a big difference in startup times?
Oct 05 03:57:08 <osas> nah ...
Oct 05 03:57:22 <osas> not really
Oct 05 03:57:40 <mike390> aw
Oct 05 03:57:45 <mike390> mine takes FOREVER to start up
Oct 05 03:57:46 <osas> some applications will fly faster
Oct 05 03:57:53 <osas> or maybe
Oct 05 03:57:55 <ByronT> some differences but you really have to be pushing the little slug or be watching it via serial to notice the diff
Oct 05 03:58:19 * osas didn't use an underclocked one in a long time
Oct 05 03:58:41 <mike390> lol....
Oct 05 03:58:48 <mike390> how do i check allthe things that run at startup?
Oct 05 03:59:33 <osas> which distro?
Oct 05 04:00:05 <mike390> unslung
Oct 05 04:00:22 <osas> there is somthing on wiki
Oct 05 04:00:39 <osas> what are you using it for?
Oct 05 04:01:29 <mike390> i got mt-daapd, slimserver and trying to setup transmission
Oct 05 04:01:50 <osas> in that case you may want to kill some apps
Oct 05 04:01:56 <osas> to free up some memory
Oct 05 04:03:19 <mike390> one of those 3 or one of the others
Oct 05 04:03:30 <osas> one sec
Oct 05 04:03:34 <mike390> ok
Oct 05 04:07:23 <osas> http://www.nabble.com/Need-advice--memory-t2413611.html
Oct 05 04:07:42 <osas> Here's what I use on my unslung slug to free up some memory
Oct 05 04:07:59 <osas> I prefer 5.5
Oct 05 04:08:43 <mike390> okay thanks :)
Oct 05 04:08:56 <osas> np
Oct 05 04:09:13 <osas> I have some custom stuff for running from flash
Oct 05 04:09:22 <osas> you can skip those steps
Oct 05 04:09:27 <osas> use whatever you need
Oct 05 04:10:21 <mike390> okay
Oct 05 04:10:51 <mike390> also when it starts up ssh takes a while to connect to and web interface doesnt even load till mabe 10 15 mins afte rthe device starts up, is there a way to prioritize ?
Oct 05 04:10:55 <mike390> also whats the beep mean?
Oct 05 04:11:32 <osas> the beep means that the slug is "ready"
Oct 05 04:11:44 <mike390> so all the programs are done booting right
Oct 05 04:11:57 <osas> all the programs are started
Oct 05 04:12:11 <osas> it doesn't mean that are ready
Oct 05 04:12:33 <osas> if you have a lot of programs to start, then it may take a while
Oct 05 04:13:05 <mike390> oh okay
Oct 05 04:13:17 <mike390> also why do you prefer 5.5 over 6.8?
Oct 05 04:13:27 <osas> less disk activity
Oct 05 04:13:33 <osas> better for flash
Oct 05 04:14:08 <osas> and for your HD (sleep mode)
Oct 05 04:14:21 <osas> if your enclosure knows how to do it
Oct 05 04:14:38 <osas> google for this topic
Oct 05 04:14:50 <osas> there were lots of discussions about it
Oct 05 04:16:53 <mike390> if i down grade, i have to install all packages again?
Oct 05 04:17:44 <osas> you may not need to ... but I would recommend a clean install
Oct 05 04:18:03 <osas> it's not that big of a deal to reinstall
Oct 05 04:20:01 <mike390> thats true i guess ill do it in teh weekend
Oct 05 04:27:33 <mike390> what features does 6.8 have that 5.5 doesnt
Oct 05 04:28:35 <osas> bogus support for NTFS
Oct 05 04:28:47 <mike390> i have an ntfs drive though
Oct 05 04:28:58 <osas> it is based on a different Linksys firmware
Oct 05 04:29:20 <osas> mwester would give you a better answer
Oct 05 04:29:24 <mike390> but i can use ntfs on 5.5?
Oct 05 04:29:29 <osas> I switched to openslug long time ago
Oct 05 04:29:40 <osas> don't know for sure ...
Oct 05 04:32:12 <mike390> ij
Oct 05 04:32:15 <mike390> ok*
Oct 05 04:35:09 <mwester> There are no functional drivers for NTFS for Unslung.  Sorry.
Oct 05 04:37:10 <mike390> so 5.5 isnt more functional than 6.8?
Oct 05 04:38:00 <osas> 5.5 was released before 6.8
Oct 05 04:38:21 <osas> you should have more features on 6.8
Oct 05 04:39:29 <mike390> okay so heres the prob i removed the resistor with the revision info on my nslu2 so linksys firmware might not be able to install, if i move to openslug is there a way to go back to unslung if i cant install linksys firmware?
Oct 05 04:39:41 <mike390> like a way to force it on?
Oct 05 04:40:16 <osas> yup
Oct 05 04:40:20 <ByronT> it's a resistor - it doesn't carry that much information.....
Oct 05 04:40:41 <osas> read on the wiki about putting the slug in upgrade mode
Oct 05 04:41:01 <osas> and how to flash without using the web interface
Oct 05 04:41:32 <mike390> oh okay sweet
Oct 05 04:41:52 <mike390> and one more question (sry im so noob lol) openslug/slugos doesnt have a web interface?
Oct 05 04:42:23 <osas> nope
Oct 05 04:42:40 <mike390> possible way to put one on?
Oct 05 04:42:53 <osas> if you build one ;-)
Oct 05 04:43:18 <mike390> lol dam... not that i cant use command line but setting up will b more time consuming lol
Oct 05 04:57:36 <mike390> osas: i dont get where do i paste your script to gain more ram
Oct 05 04:58:18 <osas> one sec
Oct 05 04:59:46 <osas> cd /etc/rc.d
Oct 05 04:59:53 <osas> there you have the scripts
Oct 05 05:00:19 <mike390> and also i just copy and paste it? like what about the > and $
Oct 05 05:10:19 <osas> google for patch
Oct 05 07:59:15 <widrone> Has anybody managed to wreck the internal 8MB flash in their nslu yet? In theory it should be possible with too many flashes, should it not? I mean all flash storage has the same underlying trouble of wear and tear... 
Oct 05 08:14:59 <widrone> Is slugos supposed to use the optware feed these days or is it supposed to use the slugos-bag feed? Im a bit confused about the two really. 
Oct 05 08:15:43 <widrone> Mine is using the -bag feed now, but it seems (according to the wiki) I could use the optware feed instead. *ponder* 
Oct 05 08:38:22 <widrone> Im thinking this page covers it really; http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe
Oct 05 08:38:54 <widrone> Here I am all asking and answering, least the log picks it up so I got the answer next time Im wondering ;)
Oct 05 14:25:36 <mocker> woo, getting asterisk installed on my slug.
Oct 05 14:41:56 <osas> :)
Oct 05 15:02:17 <barnseen2o> i'll give you a woo, when its actually working
Oct 05 15:56:40 <mocker> heh.
Oct 05 15:57:53 <PPmarcel> hi
Oct 05 15:58:34 <PPmarcel> i'm still blocked with debian on my nas
Oct 05 15:58:47 <PPmarcel> satut led stay ambre
Oct 05 15:59:22 <PPmarcel> i tried to enable fschk=yes with a computer, on the hard disk drive
Oct 05 15:59:30 <PPmarcel> but it saty at the same state
Oct 05 15:59:53 <PPmarcel> i tried then the manual installation with tarball from cyrius, but same problem
Oct 05 16:00:21 <PPmarcel> i'll wait to see if rtc is the problem
Oct 05 16:00:35 <PPmarcel> but i don't know then what else i can do :s
Oct 05 16:01:36 <PPmarcel> and it seems that the nas don't connect to the network too
Oct 05 16:02:21 <PPmarcel> first time i used normal debian-installer, but i used the trick of "go back" to install it anyway, with right kernel
Oct 05 16:02:33 <PPmarcel> should i try again?
Oct 05 16:02:39 <PPmarcel> my hdd don't work too
Oct 05 16:02:48 <PPmarcel> i mean linux isn't checking it
Oct 05 16:09:34 <PPmarcel> anyone for a solution?
Oct 05 16:53:55 <tuv> PPmarcel, you're stating a number of problems. eliminate them one by one
Oct 05 16:54:15 <tuv> PPmarcel, make sure first that the disk is recognizable by linux
Oct 05 16:54:26 <tuv> probably using a pc
Oct 05 16:55:07 <tuv> i installed debian using the go-back method about two weeks ago
Oct 05 16:55:21 <tuv> so it definitely works
Oct 05 16:55:59 <Soheil> My first wiki change :D
Oct 05 16:59:28 <jelle> hurray for Soheil 
Oct 05 17:02:59 <PPmarcel> lol Soheil 
Oct 05 17:03:12 <PPmarcel> tuv: i try a new installation
Oct 05 17:03:28 <PPmarcel> tuv: but i don't remember where i select the kernel
Oct 05 17:03:37 <PPmarcel> does the installer ask me during installation?
Oct 05 17:04:00 <PPmarcel> and yes, hard disk is reconizable by linux
Oct 05 17:04:32 <PPmarcel> just one point: bootflag was off, so i swiched it on, for this new setup
Oct 05 17:15:15 <fijam> hello
Oct 05 17:16:41 <fijam> Would a microdrive attached via CF-to-USB converter work with nslu2?
Oct 05 17:17:40 <mwester> It should.
Oct 05 17:17:54 <mwester> I 
Oct 05 17:18:20 <mwester> I've tested an ordinary CF card via a CF->USB, as well as CF->IDE, IDE->USB converters.
Oct 05 17:18:35 <mwester> Microdrive should be the same.
Oct 05 17:19:35 <fijam> hmm, allright, thank you.
Oct 05 17:19:49 <fijam> Seems that I am getting a slug :)
Oct 05 17:20:13 <mwester> They are becoming harder to find...
Oct 05 17:21:03 <fijam> Well, on my local market (Poland) you can still find quite a few (brand new)
Oct 05 17:24:06 <fijam> hmm, I just wonder if a microdrive would be suitable for 24/7 work. These tiny things tend to get hot.
Oct 05 17:24:41 <Soheil> I saw a post on the wiki that said you could disable some functions to get the workload of the flashed base disks
Oct 05 17:25:02 <Soheil> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseAMemoryStickAsMainDrive
Oct 05 17:25:33 <mwester> Yep.  Very easy to do, turns off the updaing of "last accessed" information, and disables the use of any swap space on the device.
Oct 05 17:26:08 <Soheil> by the way how much the does a nslu2 cost in Poland?
Oct 05 17:26:27 <mwester> But you need to be careful, because without swap space you are limited to the 32MB of memory in the NSLU2, and it is easy to run it out of memory and crash it.
Oct 05 17:27:18 <fijam> Soheil, about 80EUR
Oct 05 17:28:00 <Soheil> not much cheaper than Sweden.
Oct 05 17:28:05 <fijam> Maybe a small, 1.8" hitachi laptop drive in an usb enclosure would be a better solution then? Hmm, I need to reconsider that.
Oct 05 17:29:57 <Soheil> I'm using a 2,5" :) 
Oct 05 17:30:59 <fijam> How is the power consumption? I'd like to avoid using an active usb hub.
Oct 05 17:32:40 <Soheil> Maybe if you use both ports on the nslu2 ?
Oct 05 17:33:20 <fijam> How much power can slug supply?
Oct 05 17:33:47 <fijam> 0.5A?
Oct 05 17:34:56 <fijam> multiplied by two?
Oct 05 17:35:01 <Soheil> I think i saw that somewhere ...let me check
Oct 05 17:37:37 <Soheil> The slug takes 5V at 2A ...
Oct 05 17:38:06 <Soheil> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddInternalWireless ...on this page they discuss 500 mA
Oct 05 17:38:44 <fijam> that's how much USB standard can handle I guess
Oct 05 17:39:02 <mwester> The slug has no current limiting for the USB ports.  The power budget allows for 500ma per port, with the rest going to the device itself.
Oct 05 17:39:49 <mwester> However, because there is no current limiting, at startup especially it is possible for a usb peripheral to take too much power, and the device will fail in various ways (USB errors most commonly)
Oct 05 17:40:13 <fijam> those 1.8" drives require about 0.45A tops (spin up / writing), I think it's worth trying
Oct 05 17:40:50 <mwester> I have had very good luck with a single 2.5" device on the slug, although some report that the high capacity drives (WD "Passport" specifically) do not work USB-powered.
Oct 05 17:41:30 <fijam> thanks for information
Oct 05 17:41:46 <fijam> btw, does usb enclosure's chipset matters?
Oct 05 17:43:16 <mwester> Yes.  Check the wiki and mailing list archives.  Most will work, a small few will fail, and the whole issue of if they will permit the disk to spin down is very chip-set specific.
Oct 05 17:46:15 <fijam> Allright, thanks
Oct 05 17:57:59 <widrones> I got 3 different noname usb HD enclosures, all work fine. 
Oct 05 18:00:11 <Soheil> got any for 1,8 drives?
Oct 05 18:01:23 <widrones> Only seen once my whole life, wish I had it still. Only got 3.5s here sorry.
Oct 05 18:01:37 <widrones> one*
Oct 05 18:06:03 <Soheil> ah, I found a samsung 1,8" drive for 100- 120 $ and I'm trying to find a good enclosure now ... Can't find any though :)
Oct 05 18:07:14 <Soheil> Found one from revoltec
Oct 05 18:11:09 <mwester> What capacity?
Oct 05 18:17:24 <Soheil> the specs say: works only with 1,8" hårddiskar from Hitachi with ATA-anslutning 
Oct 05 18:17:33 <Soheil> ATA-anslutning = ATA connection
Oct 05 18:17:51 <Soheil> Usb 2,0 (480 Mbit/s)
Oct 05 18:18:19 <Soheil> oh, stupid me, I just did a cut'n paste with some changes, hårddiskar = hard drives
Oct 05 18:24:06 <fijam> hitachi drives (especially those of smaller capacity) are quite cheap
Oct 05 19:27:15 <Soheil> what package do I have to download to get the command lsusb?
Oct 05 19:27:42 <mwester> Use the ipkg search facility on the wiki, make sure you select the option to search files...
Oct 05 19:29:37 <fijam> usbutils?
Oct 05 20:01:56 <debrown> i seem to be have file corruption issues with my slug. i shoot an Acronis image, and move it to my slug, only to find it fails a crc check. any file moved also fails. if i could find a way just to get a good copy onto the slug i'd be very happy. i did overclock the slug via that resistor removal, but don't know if this prob existed beforehand. is there bad mem in the slug that i exposed through the OC?  i'm using unslung 6.8.
Oct 05 20:28:04 <PPmarcel_> hi
Oct 05 20:28:13 <PPmarcel_> now debian works
Oct 05 20:49:17 <gouki> Anyone who can provide a little help with Gnump3D?
Oct 05 21:34:23 <gouki> Does anyone know where openssh log is on unslung?
Oct 05 21:43:35 <mwester> /var/log/messages
Oct 05 22:05:17 <Soheil> mwester: Thanks.
Oct 05 22:05:23 <Soheil> fijam: Thanks.
Oct 06 00:58:17 <NSLU2-IRC> how do i display a list of installed packaged
Oct 06 00:58:20 <NSLU2-IRC> *packages
Oct 06 00:59:46 <mike390> how do i display a list of installed packages
Oct 06 01:01:44 <mike390> like that are running
Oct 06 01:32:15 <mike390> i cant acess the webgui on unslung, i can ssh into it though... 
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