**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 14 02:59:56 2007
Oct 14 03:52:09 <scottrageous> widrone, I'm not much comfortable with anything linux, so I just want to take the easiest way out and get it working ;)
Oct 14 04:15:12 <scottrageous> firmware updates are independant of the main drive, right? So my slug was last updated to unslung 5.5 but since then I yanked that drive. Can I turn the slug on with the blank flash drive and go to town on it?
Oct 14 04:16:38 <scottrageous> By "go to town" of course I mean updating it to 6.8
Oct 14 04:21:13 <mwester> Of course
Oct 14 04:24:43 <scottrageous> mwester, can you refresh me on what the default IP address is to the slug?
Oct 14 04:25:40 <mwester> 192.168.1.77
Oct 14 04:26:49 <scottrageous> thought so, do you know if sercomm will run on vista? it says it's for XP and it doesn't seem to be loading :\
Oct 14 04:27:20 <scottrageous> wait, there it goes, heh
Oct 14 04:40:30 <scottrageous_> dang, sercomm BSOD'd me, ugh
Oct 14 05:13:22 <scottrageous> does formatting the disk via the unslung admin panel create the 3 partitions necessary to start adding packages to the slug? Or do I really need to do it manually within linux? I've got a spare copy of ubuntu 7 layin' around, but if the built-in formatter is sufficient enough I'd like to know if I can skip the whole linux step as described here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseAMemoryStickAsMainDrive :)
Oct 14 05:18:42 <mwester> scottrageous:  Use the README file that comes with the firmware, and the following pages from the wiki: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/WhichUSBPortforUnslung6 and http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/KnownProblems
Oct 14 05:18:47 <mwester> Use nothing else.
Oct 14 05:19:41 <mwester> (specifically, the page that you point out is completely unnecessary, and has no pertinence to Unslung at all.)
Oct 14 05:21:35 <mwester> Once you have completely installed unslung, then you can begin tuning it -- use this page to adjust it for a flash device: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Ext3flash
Oct 14 05:22:40 <mwester> Do NOT follow the section titled "Reducting the number of writing even more[sic]" -- unless you understand what that section is doing, and what it means for your slug. :)
Oct 14 16:56:48 <Tobbe> I just noticed that my "ls" is gone. So I thought, ohh well, I'll just reinstall coreutils. But then I noticed that ipkg is gone too. So I have two questions. 1: How could they disappear? 2: Where can I get replacements?
Oct 14 16:57:15 <Tobbe> and yeah, I know, "that can not happen". But unfortunately it did :(
Oct 14 17:03:32 <eno> Tobbe: ipkg update; ipkg install coreutils
Oct 14 17:04:07 <Tobbe> eno: yeah, I tried that. That's when I noticed that ipkg is gone too
Oct 14 17:04:41 <Tobbe> -bash: ipkg: command not found
Oct 14 17:05:15 <eno> /bin/ls -l /usr/bin/ipkg*
Oct 14 17:05:35 <eno> assume you're on unslung
Oct 14 17:05:41 <Tobbe> yes I am
Oct 14 17:06:11 <Tobbe> dir: /opt/bin/ipk*: No such file or directory
Oct 14 17:06:22 <Tobbe> dir: /usr/bin/ipk*: No such file or directory
Oct 14 17:06:59 <Tobbe> dir: /bin/ls: No such file or directory
Oct 14 17:06:59 <eno> that's really really strange
Oct 14 17:07:09 <eno> you don't even have /bin/ls ?
Oct 14 17:07:12 <Tobbe> nope
Oct 14 17:07:40 <eno> what does df show?
Oct 14 17:08:22 <Tobbe> http://paste2.org/p/8286
Oct 14 17:09:51 <eno> echo /bin/busy*
Oct 14 17:10:01 <Tobbe> yeah, I do have busybox
Oct 14 17:10:09 <Tobbe> "busybox ls" works
Oct 14 17:10:49 <eno> on mine unslung slug, /bin/ls -> busybox
Oct 14 17:11:15 <eno> for some reason you don't have the symlinks anymore
Oct 14 17:11:31 <Tobbe> yeah, I had that too until I installed coreutils. Then I replaced that symlink with a "real" ls
Oct 14 17:11:44 <Tobbe> but this was more than a year ago
Oct 14 17:11:54 <Tobbe> ls has worked fine long after that
Oct 14 17:12:25 <eno> that's not necesary, you can arrange the PATH so that /opt/bin/ls is found before /bin/ls
Oct 14 17:12:49 <eno> now, can you do "/bin/busybox ls /usr/bin/ipkg*" ?
Oct 14 17:13:29 <eno> on unslung, you should not use /opt/bin/ipkg
Oct 14 17:13:52 <Tobbe> ls: /usr/bin/ipkg*: No such file or directory
Oct 14 17:13:56 <Tobbe> ok
Oct 14 17:14:29 <eno> this is going to be a problem
Oct 14 17:15:29 <Tobbe> you think? :p
Oct 14 17:15:35 <Tobbe> hmm
Oct 14 17:15:37 <Tobbe> ln: creating symbolic link `ls' to `busybox': File exists
Oct 14 17:16:30 <eno> busybox ls -l /initrd/usr/bin/ipkg*
Oct 14 17:17:33 <Tobbe> (I pasted some more interesting output) http://paste2.org/p/8287
Oct 14 17:18:05 <eno> the latest coreutils should have /opt/bin/coreutils-ls
Oct 14 17:18:36 <eno> and then it will use update-alternatives to symlink /opt/bin/ls to /opt/bin/coreutils-ls
Oct 14 17:18:43 <Tobbe> ok, good to know :) 
Oct 14 17:18:59 <Tobbe> but I need ipkg to install coreutils :)
Oct 14 17:21:34 <eno> see if you can copy /initrd/usr/bin/ipkg-cl to /usr/bin/
Oct 14 17:22:15 <eno> but it should never dissappear in the 1st place
Oct 14 17:23:45 <Tobbe> cp: target `/usr/bin/' is not a directory: No such file or directory
Oct 14 17:27:48 <Tobbe> //LKG70E6F4/usr# mkdir bin
Oct 14 17:27:49 <Tobbe> mkdir: cannot create directory `bin': File exists
Oct 14 17:28:23 <eno> this is really wierd
Oct 14 17:29:29 <Tobbe> btw, rm is gone too, but I can't create the file /bin/rm because "File exists"...
Oct 14 17:31:14 <Tobbe> ...
Oct 14 17:31:15 <Tobbe> //LKG70E6F4/bin# ln -s busybox ls
Oct 14 17:31:15 <Tobbe> ln: creating symbolic link `ls' to `busybox': File exists
Oct 14 17:31:15 <Tobbe> //LKG70E6F4/bin# ln -sf busybox ls
Oct 14 17:31:15 <Tobbe> ln: cannot remove `ls': No such file or directory
Oct 14 17:36:39 <Tobbe> this is starting to sound like a file system problem, don't you think?
Oct 14 17:40:34 <eno> if i were you, i'd shutdown, fsck the file system
Oct 14 17:40:57 <Tobbe> yes, but how do I do that?
Oct 14 17:41:16 <Tobbe> my slug is the only thing I have that's running linux
Oct 14 17:41:42 <eno> you can unplug the disk, boot with flash, plug it back in
Oct 14 17:42:27 <eno> and fsck it with OS boot from flash
Oct 14 17:42:38 <Tobbe> and then use telnet to access it?
Oct 14 17:43:06 <Tobbe> what about just remount / read only+
Oct 14 17:43:07 <Tobbe> ?
Oct 14 17:44:01 <Tobbe> # mount -o remount,ro /
Oct 14 17:44:42 <eno> you can try
Oct 14 17:45:14 <Tobbe> ok, I'll try that first
Oct 14 17:48:45 <Tobbe> problem: -bash: fsck: command not found
Oct 14 17:50:49 <Tobbe> I think I'll plug the disk in to my laptop and run fsck on it from some livecd...
Oct 14 17:51:04 <widrone> You seem to have a broken system indeed, that may be a good idea. 
Oct 14 17:54:57 <Tobbe> bbl
Oct 14 18:12:36 <Tobbe> So, I'm up and running in linux
Oct 14 18:13:32 <Tobbe> it automaticly mounted the disk
Oct 14 18:13:50 <eno> and did it recover /usr/bin/ipkg ?
Oct 14 18:14:55 <Tobbe> I haven't run fsck yet
Oct 14 18:15:04 <widrone> kventil: You were running unslung, yes? 
Oct 14 18:15:24 <Tobbe> but if I go to /usr/bin I can see ipkg, ipkg-cl and ipkg-fl
Oct 14 18:15:45 <Tobbe> and if I go to /bin I can see the ls symlink to busybox
Oct 14 18:15:59 <Tobbe> and in /opt/bin I can see the ls binary
Oct 14 18:19:30 <kventil_> Hi there... is there any option to protect the "normal" nslu interface via a .htaccess file? (i tried this in /home/httpd/ directory but it seems like this doesn't work)
Oct 14 18:20:38 <widrone> kventil: unslung I recon, dunno if the webserver for that has any login stuff. 
Oct 14 18:21:05 <kventil_> hm.. it's actually unslung
Oct 14 18:22:02 <widrone> kventil_: Dont think its apache atleast, is it thttpd? 
Oct 14 18:22:16 <widrone> Sorry, been a while since I used unslung myslef. 
Oct 14 18:22:27 <Tobbe> widrone: yes, it is thttpd
Oct 14 18:23:29 <kventil_> i don't know.. i just want to protect the standart-webinterface from the nslu
Oct 14 18:24:19 <kventil_> (the blue one :D)
Oct 14 18:24:21 <widrone> kventil_: thhtpd docs at http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/
Oct 14 18:25:09 <widrone> More to the point, this one:
Oct 14 18:25:10 <widrone> http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/options.html#AUTH_FILE
Oct 14 18:25:25 <kventil_> yeah... i know these things
Oct 14 18:25:30 <widrone> In other words you need to set the filename in the config. 
Oct 14 18:25:52 <kventil_> but it seems that the nslu has it's one webserver for the interface
Oct 14 18:30:34 <widrone> Is there a default configfile I can look at for this, svn/mono resporitory Im guessing. 
Oct 14 18:31:05 <widrone> Or pastebin somewhere. It be a bit easier to troubleshoot that way. 
Oct 14 18:37:07 <Tobbe> eno: this is what I get when I try to run fsck: http://paste2.org/p/8293
Oct 14 18:45:41 <scottrageous> does telnet disable itself at every reboot?
Oct 14 18:45:57 <Tobbe> ehh, I was running fsck the wrong way...
Oct 14 18:46:24 <Tobbe> "fsck /dev/sda1" worked much better :)
Oct 14 18:47:27 <scottrageous> opps, I sent the unsling command and the drive wasn't plugged in... hehe
Oct 14 18:47:51 <scottrageous> think it's safe to just plug it in while it says waiting for /share/flash/data ?
Oct 14 18:48:00 <scottrageous> or let the countdown end
Oct 14 18:49:05 <scottrageous> eh it ended, time to plug in the drive :D
Oct 14 18:51:21 <Tobbe> fsck is done and it did find some errors that it fixed
Oct 14 18:51:50 <Tobbe> now I'm just gonna cross my fingers and hope for the best when I plug it back in to my slug :)
Oct 14 19:12:57 <Tobbe> ls is working again! \o/
Oct 14 19:13:14 <Tobbe> thanks a lot eno
Oct 14 19:22:58 <scottrageous> When I do ipkg update I get a bunch of errors
Oct 14 19:23:19 <scottrageous> ipkg.nslu2-linux.org host failure
Oct 14 19:24:32 <scottrageous> anyone got any ideas on how I can resolve this? :\
Oct 14 19:24:41 <caplink811-log> could you ping www.google.com (from the nslu)?
Oct 14 19:25:26 <scottrageous> can I do that in telnet?
Oct 14 19:25:34 <caplink811-log> sure
Oct 14 19:25:54 <scottrageous> hostname lookup failure as well
Oct 14 19:26:24 <caplink811-log> did you setup the dns and gateway entries in the webif?
Oct 14 19:26:58 <scottrageous> probably not, do I do that in the web admin?
Oct 14 19:27:27 <caplink811-log> yes, it might be helpful
Oct 14 19:27:50 <scottrageous> what values do I use for that?
Oct 14 19:28:09 <scottrageous> and do I need to use either of the backups?
Oct 14 19:28:43 <caplink811-log> as gateway the ip adress of your router, and the nameserver may be the one which is provided by your provider
Oct 14 19:29:11 <caplink811-log> if you don't running your own forwarder (may be in your router)
Oct 14 19:29:53 <scottrageous> so the router is 192.168.1.1, so that's what I use, correct?
Oct 14 19:30:49 <caplink811-log> myself don't know anything about your network infrastructure... so it could be right or wrong, dunno
Oct 14 19:31:12 <scottrageous> sure, now I'm not seeing any place to input nameserver
Oct 14 19:31:32 <scottrageous> just 3 spots for IPs
Oct 14 19:31:38 <caplink811-log> there you be something like dns..
Oct 14 19:32:19 <scottrageous> k, looks like it's working now :)
Oct 14 19:32:55 <caplink811-log> np
Oct 14 19:33:01 <scottrageous> can I verify that SSH commands are identicle to what I'd enter in telnet?
Oct 14 19:34:09 <scottrageous> ipkg seems slow, is that normal? hehe
Oct 14 19:34:44 <caplink811-log> a shell is a shell is a shell, which you can access on different ways (e.g. telnet, ssh, console)
Oct 14 19:35:22 <scottrageous> ok great, thanks for your help :)
Oct 14 19:52:49 <scottrageous> ok ipkg update is still not responding... it's been over 10 minutes. Is this normal?
Oct 14 19:53:28 <kventil_> what are you trying to do?
Oct 14 19:53:43 <kventil_> or what output produced it?
Oct 14 19:56:42 <caplink811-log> ipkg update takes ~5 secs, but this depends on your inet connection speed
Oct 14 19:58:33 <kventil_> http://paste2.org/p/8298
Oct 14 20:49:47 <scottrageous> kventil_, caplink811-log, it's still going, heh. The ethernet light blinks occasionally. Any way to stop this?
Oct 14 20:50:15 <kventil_> hm... press
Oct 14 20:50:18 <kventil_> ctrl+c
Oct 14 20:51:01 <scottrageous> wait, this is odd
Oct 14 20:51:23 <kventil_> hm?
Oct 14 20:51:28 <scottrageous> the previous command was ping www.google.com
Oct 14 20:52:06 <scottrageous> apparently I didn't have a #, it was just an empty line where I had typed ipkg update and hit enter, after which it soft returned
Oct 14 20:52:22 <scottrageous> well, it's working now, hilarious
Oct 14 20:52:41 <scottrageous> actually, no it's not
Oct 14 20:52:44 <kventil_> lol
Oct 14 20:52:48 <janneN> lol
Oct 14 20:52:55 <scottrageous> unable to connect to remote host
Oct 14 20:53:00 <scottrageous> haha
Oct 14 20:53:21 <janneN> scottrageou you need configure dns and gateway
Oct 14 20:53:31 <scottrageous> I configured the DNS
Oct 14 20:53:39 <scottrageous> where do I configure the gateway
Oct 14 20:54:06 <janneN> sysem/lan in nslu2 webpages
Oct 14 20:54:14 <janneN> *system
Oct 14 20:54:17 <scottrageous> ok found it
Oct 14 20:54:22 <scottrageous> it was hiding :D
Oct 14 20:54:27 <kventil_> (don't forget the nameserver)
Oct 14 20:54:31 <scottrageous> do I use the same thing as dns (router ip) ?
Oct 14 20:54:35 <janneN> dns is where it says "primary"
Oct 14 20:54:50 <janneN> no same dns as in router
Oct 14 20:54:55 <scottrageous> janneN, yep filled that one in earlier
Oct 14 20:55:30 <janneN> gateway?
Oct 14 20:55:35 <scottrageous> kventil_: where do I update the nameserver? I didn't see that one earlier
Oct 14 20:55:53 <kventil_> hm... also on the webinterface
Oct 14 20:55:58 <scottrageous> janneN: filled in the Primary DNS with the IP of my router (192.168.1.1), gateway is still empty
Oct 14 20:56:17 <scottrageous> kventil_: yep, it's hiding though :D
Oct 14 20:56:41 <janneN> do it again and say if you got some kind of error
Oct 14 20:56:59 <kventil_> http://bilder.kreativ-ventil.de/albums/skitch/tcp_ip_conf-20071014-230010.jpg
Oct 14 20:57:05 <janneN> need fill in gateway
Oct 14 20:57:05 <kventil_> it should look like this ;)
Oct 14 20:57:19 <kventil_> in this case 11.1.0.1 is my router
Oct 14 20:57:41 <scottrageous> ah, and whats the DNS then?
Oct 14 20:58:04 <scottrageous> is that your actual IP?
Oct 14 20:58:14 <janneN> scottrageous you got your dns already in your router or paper from isp...
Oct 14 20:58:38 <janneN> you should have same in your pc
Oct 14 20:58:43 <scottrageous> janneN: so I can get that by going to whatismyip.com, right?
Oct 14 20:58:49 <janneN> no
Oct 14 20:59:03 <janneN> what router have you?
Oct 14 20:59:08 <kventil_> what kind of operation system you're using?
Oct 14 20:59:31 <scottrageous> I'm on windows, router is a linksys
Oct 14 20:59:33 <kventil_> okay
Oct 14 20:59:39 <kventil_> than hit win+r
Oct 14 20:59:46 <kventil_> and type in the window cmd
Oct 14 20:59:55 <kventil_> (and return)
Oct 14 20:59:58 <scottrageous> type what?
Oct 14 21:00:00 <kventil_> you should get a black window
Oct 14 21:00:01 <kventil_> "cmd"
Oct 14 21:00:05 <scottrageous> ah
Oct 14 21:00:17 <kventil_> in the black window type "ipconf"
Oct 14 21:00:17 <scottrageous> yep, console opened
Oct 14 21:00:21 <kventil_> perfect
Oct 14 21:00:40 <kventil_> got it?
Oct 14 21:00:44 <scottrageous> ipconf is an unrecognized cmd, is it ipconfig perhaps?
Oct 14 21:00:48 <kventil_> aah
Oct 14 21:00:50 <kventil_> sure ;-)
Oct 14 21:00:57 <kventil_> sorry (i'm using a mac...)
Oct 14 21:00:58 <kventil_> ;-)
Oct 14 21:01:04 <scottrageous> hehe, that's alright
Oct 14 21:01:18 <scottrageous> ok I got the results
Oct 14 21:01:21 <kventil_> there you should find a entry gateway ;)
Oct 14 21:01:26 <kventil_> that's the one you need
Oct 14 21:01:52 <scottrageous> I'm seeing default gateway
Oct 14 21:01:56 <scottrageous> it's the router's IP
Oct 14 21:02:07 <kventil_> wonderbra :)
Oct 14 21:02:21 <scottrageous> yeah, what I need is the primary DNS
Oct 14 21:02:24 <scottrageous> ;)
Oct 14 21:02:34 <kventil_> okay
Oct 14 21:03:28 <scottrageous> would that be the IP that is shown on the web?
Oct 14 21:03:37 <kventil_> no
Oct 14 21:03:40 <scottrageous> or is it something entirely different
Oct 14 21:03:51 <janneN> controlpanel - >network rightclic your connection-properties - >internet protocol
Oct 14 21:03:52 <kventil_> these dns are server which translate an web-address to an ip
Oct 14 21:04:11 <kventil_> e.g.: www.google.com to <some Ip>
Oct 14 21:04:46 <caplink811-log> you may try 195.50.140.252 as dns
Oct 14 21:05:07 <caplink811-log> or 195.50.140.114
Oct 14 21:05:39 <caplink811-log> but i dunno that they're public
Oct 14 21:05:47 <scottrageous> ipv6 or ipv4?
Oct 14 21:05:47 <kventil_> hm
Oct 14 21:06:30 <scottrageous> also, dns is set to configure automatically
Oct 14 21:06:56 <caplink811-log> on your router, or on the nslu2?
Oct 14 21:07:42 <scottrageous> on my windows machine
Oct 14 21:07:54 <scottrageous> that's where janneN said to get it
Oct 14 21:08:10 <scottrageous> can I get it from my router control panel? I'm not finding anything in there
Oct 14 21:08:36 <janneN> another way is to surf to http://192.168.1.1 and look there should be somthing like "lans ettings", loook there..
Oct 14 21:08:48 <janneN> search for lan setings
Oct 14 21:09:05 <janneN> or wan
Oct 14 21:09:17 <caplink811-log> scottrageous, do you have console/shell access to your linksys router?
Oct 14 21:09:34 <scottrageous> caplink811-log: not sure
Oct 14 21:09:46 <scottrageous> janneN: the DNS is not listed on that page
Oct 14 21:09:59 <janneN> on what page?
Oct 14 21:10:02 <janneN> lan?
Oct 14 21:10:05 <scottrageous> yep
Oct 14 21:10:16 <janneN> if so look at wan settings
Oct 14 21:10:23 <janneN> they MUST be there=)
Oct 14 21:11:09 <caplink811-log> yes, it should, but it depends on the firmware and may be on the type of the router... which kind of linksys router is it?
Oct 14 21:11:11 <scottrageous> here's DHCP which lists a few DNS ips
Oct 14 21:11:22 <scottrageous> they all say 0.0.0.0 lol
Oct 14 21:11:28 <janneN> hm
Oct 14 21:11:49 <janneN> no paper from ISP?
Oct 14 21:12:19 <scottrageous> not afaik
Oct 14 21:12:35 <scottrageous> is this IP address suposed to be similar to the router's ip or my actual ip?
Oct 14 21:13:10 <scottrageous> by this, I mean the one for the DNS
Oct 14 21:14:19 <scottrageous> my web ip is 72.240.219.184
Oct 14 21:14:42 <janneN> well if you are lucky 192.168.1.1. will work or try thoose you got from caplink-log
Oct 14 21:15:03 <scottrageous> ok
Oct 14 21:15:47 <janneN> or try all three
Oct 14 21:15:52 <scottrageous> ok, ran ipkg update again, and it confirmed that the list has been updated, so I guess it was the router IP after all :D
Oct 14 21:15:55 <scottrageous> woohoo!
Oct 14 21:16:00 <janneN> =)
Oct 14 21:16:00 <scottrageous> time to go get openssh
Oct 14 21:16:26 <scottrageous> any of you ever messed with using the slug as a print server? that's what I'm looking to do
Oct 14 21:18:07 <janneN> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddPrinter
Oct 14 21:20:37 <janneN> scottrageous. theres no need for ssh if you are not using your slug from outside your home.useless. adn it take more resorces.
Oct 14 21:21:40 <scottrageous> yes bit I'm on vista, so it's easier for me to ssh than telnet in
Oct 14 21:22:01 <janneN> dont using putty?
Oct 14 21:22:25 <scottrageous> yeah, does putty have telnet functionality?
Oct 14 21:22:30 <janneN> yep
Oct 14 21:22:34 <janneN> http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe
Oct 14 21:22:35 <scottrageous> oh, hmmm
Oct 14 21:22:47 <mwester> janneN:  There are several reasons why it is CRITICAL that unslung use openSSH as soon as possible.
Oct 14 21:22:50 <janneN> For Windows 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP and Vista on Intel x86
Oct 14 21:23:05 <janneN> mvester wihin lan only?
Oct 14 21:23:21 <janneN> *within
Oct 14 21:23:31 <mwester> The resource needs are small, relatively speaking, and OpenSSH is often the only way to recover the device when certain software ipkgs are installed, and go wrong.
Oct 14 21:23:46 <mwester> janneN:  Yes, within LAN as well as externally.
Oct 14 21:24:00 <janneN> if so not for security reasons
Oct 14 21:24:24 <janneN> well I never use it=)
Oct 14 21:24:38 <mwester> In a LAN environment, you don't need to use OpenSSH for security, it is used for stability, for correct PATH setting, and that it does not require the web GUI, nor inetd to be running in order to work.
Oct 14 21:25:03 <mwester> It also does a better job of handling the TERM environment variable so that text editors work more reliablly for new users.
Oct 14 21:25:22 <scottrageous> well either way, openssh is installed :D
Oct 14 21:25:53 <widrone> less small hacks basicly and in the end we can assume some core features working... 
Oct 14 21:26:04 * mwester cannot count the number of times he's had to answer a newbie question with the advice to re-flash the firmware and re-install, only because they lost the ability to start Telnet on the slug, and didn't have OpenSSH installed
Oct 14 21:26:22 <janneN> hm I had a slug running I think uptime 6 months. telnet all the way. no problem=)
Oct 14 21:26:38 <janneN> but ok  you may be right never been in such a situation
Oct 14 21:28:39 <mwester> janneN: the problems don't occur due to running time, they occur when people do things with configuration changes, or installations, that mess with the core Linksys firmware, thus losing the ability to start telnet from the GUI (for example).
Oct 14 21:29:21 <scottrageous> ok, sucessfully logged in via ssh, gues I can disable telnet now :D
Oct 14 21:30:09 <scottrageous> now I can close my XP virtual pc, heh
Oct 14 21:30:29 <mwester> If you take a close look at the xinetd installation, you'll see how easy it is for a simple mistake to disable telnet permanently.  Another common reason is when someone installs a web server, and accidentally disables the Linksys GUI -- and thus loses the ability to start telnet!
Oct 14 21:31:47 <scottrageous> I thought about installing a web server, but it's worth it to just buy a vps for that ;)
Oct 14 21:32:07 <janneN> yes mwester think my use of slug so long have not come so close to such usage..shall concider ssh if so.
Oct 14 21:32:13 <janneN>  after what you say
Oct 14 21:32:23 <widrone> vps? virtual hm ? 
Oct 14 21:33:08 <caplink811-log> running ssh and xinetd too is a much better thing as the freaky linksys setup (inetd)
Oct 14 21:34:12 <mwester> If only we had an extra 1 or 2 MBytes of flash, then openssh and xinetd would be pre-installed on unslung :(
Oct 14 21:34:30 <caplink811-log> but we haven't :(
Oct 14 21:34:31 <mwester> And bash - it would be nice to have a real shell standard, I think.
Oct 14 21:35:14 <mwester> Yes, we don't have the space, and the sad thing is that none of the new devices similar to the NSLU2 have any more than 8MB of flash.
Oct 14 21:35:18 <scottrageous> widrone, yes by not much means am I a server guy, but I can get around a vps decently, heh
Oct 14 21:35:20 <caplink811-log> yeah, but i think, busybox has a major benefit on mem footprint
Oct 14 21:35:36 <widrone> but since unslung is supposed to be close to the linksys firmware, Im guessing its a waste to start strippin it down. 
Oct 14 21:35:37 <janneN> domt complain so much..its cheap and do a lot of work for the bucks
Oct 14 21:35:40 <janneN> =)
Oct 14 21:36:20 <widrone> thats the slugos job right? Being all small, lean and fit for the slug...
Oct 14 21:36:38 <mwester> That it does.  And I'm not so much complaining about the NSLU2 as much as the lack of a bigger brother to the NSLU2, something with a bit more memory and flash.
Oct 14 21:37:08 <caplink811-log> does giantshoulders still exists?
Oct 14 21:37:15 * mwester runs SlugOS on a DSM-G600 Rev A -- very similar to an NSLU2, but with 16MB flash, and 64MB of RAM.  Shame that it is obsolete.
Oct 14 21:37:23 <janneN> yes would be good. double cpu 4x ram and still passive cold
Oct 14 21:37:30 <widrone> Having one with 16mb flash and 64mb ram... that be sweet. 
Oct 14 21:38:02 <mwester> rwhitby has an "obese slug", as he calls it -- it's modified with 16MB of flash and 128MB RAM.
Oct 14 21:38:54 <janneN> dsm g600 obsolete?
Oct 14 21:39:22 <widrone> you know, googleing for "obese slug" just get me Jabba the Hut references ;)
Oct 14 21:39:24 <mwester> The Rev A is long gone.  The Rev B is a completely different CPU, and smaller.
Oct 14 21:39:36 <mwester> Check the wiki, widrone 
Oct 14 21:39:41 <janneN> aha ok
Oct 14 21:39:56 <mwester> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ObeseSlug
Oct 14 21:40:00 <widrone> hehe, yes. I know I have seen some pages on that in there. 
Oct 14 21:40:26 <widrone> If I ever want to go all out on one of my slugs, thats the page Im starting with. 
Oct 14 21:40:34 <mwester> :)
Oct 14 21:41:36 <mwester> I lack the tools and skills to do it.
Oct 14 21:41:56 <mwester> I've soldered JTAG and serial ports on mine, that's where I draw the line.
Oct 14 21:42:43 <widrone> Or on the other hand, Ill probably start with some flashdisk attatched to one of the internel usb ports. 
Oct 14 21:43:32 <widrone> And with my (lack of) solder skills I dont think the slug will survive a ram mod.
Oct 14 21:44:13 <widrone> 4x USB slug: http://www.sdwphotography.com/gallery/v/house/nslu2-hdrfc/img_0918.jpg.html
Oct 14 21:45:39 <kventil_> ouh :D
Oct 14 21:45:50 <janneN> cool
Oct 14 21:45:54 <kventil_> looks like a better solution than an usb-hub :)
Oct 14 21:47:53 <mwester> The only worry with that is that the total power the SLUG can provide remains the same, but as long as one uses self-powered devices, that would work very nicely indeed.
Oct 14 21:54:38 <widrone> Would another 5v feed to the slug make it better atall, one that can give out more Amperes? Or is it the power circuits inside the slug that will run into trouble? 
Oct 14 21:57:45 <kventil_> hm.. what about the heat? are there any changes to the temperature?
Oct 14 22:00:46 <widrone> That may be a bigger problem yes, putting more stuff in the little space left inside. 
Oct 14 22:02:04 <kventil_> yep... i'm thinking about adding some kind of fan or a heat-pipe to my nslu ... at the moment nothing bad happened ... but it's getting very warm after some time ^^
Oct 14 22:05:46 <scottrageous> how would I know if I need to install something extra for cups to support all the features of my printer?
Oct 14 22:06:01 <scottrageous> here's my model; http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-PhotoSmart_7960
Oct 14 22:08:34 <scottrageous> also I'm not getting to the web interface via slug.ip:631 like this page shows: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddPrinter
Oct 14 22:09:00 <scottrageous> I did chmod the file it mentioned to chmod to 777
Oct 14 22:12:51 <caplink811-log> do you installed cups-doc ?
Oct 14 22:13:17 <scottrageous> yep
Oct 14 22:14:21 <widrone> I think this rtorrent is going to make even more addicted to my slug. 
Oct 14 22:14:58 <kventil_> hrhr
Oct 14 22:16:48 <caplink811-log> darth vader?
Oct 14 22:17:10 <kventil_> hm?
Oct 14 22:18:06 <caplink811-log> hrhr, sounds like you have some problems with your respiration ;)
Oct 14 22:18:14 <kventil_> lol
Oct 14 22:18:27 <janneN> widrone you got rtorrent working?
Oct 14 22:18:39 <kventil_> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/237670630_df474b2278.jpg
Oct 14 22:19:06 <caplink811-log> ;)
Oct 14 22:19:16 <widrone> Seems I do, yes. Testrunning some bionic woman episodes in another screen as we speak. 
Oct 14 22:19:48 <widrone> Iik, pink vader! With kittenz on... *runs away* 
Oct 14 22:20:10 <widrone> janneN: You had trouble with it? 
Oct 14 22:20:11 <kventil_> hehe
Oct 14 22:20:14 <janneN> rtorrent with slugos i suppose?
Oct 14 22:20:30 <widrone> janneN: Yes. 
Oct 14 22:20:58 <janneN> will be my next project. good to know someone often here so i can ask=)
Oct 14 22:21:34 <kventil_> hehe :)
Oct 14 22:22:48 <widrone> Just started it with -u to tell it what directory to dl into, then pressed backspace and pasted the url to the .torrent. Kind of easy and even less click in total then auzeurus on the mac. ;)
Oct 14 22:23:12 <widrone> And Im guessing a bit less resource hungry. 
Oct 14 22:24:06 <janneN> rtorrent version 0.7.8-1 (optware_nslu2_cross_stable
Oct 14 22:24:25 <janneN>  find that now
Oct 14 22:24:42 <kventil_> hm.. i'm using ctorrent and atm i'm writing a python skript that scanns a dir for new torrent files and start downloading them automaticly :)
Oct 14 22:26:16 <eno> janneN: rtorrent has some problem running on unslung
Oct 14 22:26:46 <eno> i know it works ok on slugosbe
Oct 14 22:27:10 <widrone> I was roaming the web last night trying to figure out more info about upnp a/v and daap sharing. But living with linux/osx and windows (some times), there is really no good fullblown solution. Agin Im sticking with samba shares, keeping it simple. 
Oct 14 22:27:24 <kventil_> hm
Oct 14 22:27:28 <kventil_> i'm using mt-daapd
Oct 14 22:27:35 <kventil_> for itunes (works under osx and win)
Oct 14 22:27:46 <kventil_> and iirc it also works with amarok
Oct 14 22:28:13 <widrone> firefly i nice yes (its the new name), but it only supports some types video 
Oct 14 22:28:46 <widrone> I just know there is a server out there that does upunp and daap, just havent found it yet. 
Oct 14 22:29:25 <janneN> widrone a slug + this http://www.mediamania.se/cgi-bin/mm_link.cgi?url==/mediaspelare_lan/d7_wdma/index.html
Oct 14 22:29:53 <janneN> I mean mediatomb or twonkyvision
Oct 14 22:30:30 <janneN> i sue mediatomb adn d-link 320 rd a another player but not so good as that
Oct 14 22:30:35 <janneN> *use
Oct 14 22:31:11 <widrone> I did have a look at MT, it seems light and nice. But only upnp, and only my nokia n80 supports that. Abd that has crap codec support. 
Oct 14 22:34:35 <widrone> And upnp/daap support in VLC isnt really there either. Thats the only bad thing I ever have to say about it as a media player. 
Oct 14 22:35:04 <janneN> yep..vlc is nice
Oct 14 22:35:34 <janneN> I dont like winamp. a lot of crap comes with it
Oct 14 22:37:32 <widrone> I tinkered around with some apps to play media on the wii too, most of them are light webservers that can serve up sound/pictures. But video needs to be transcoded to flash. :/ 
Oct 14 22:38:17 <widrone> Releasing something that can only do Motion JPEG as a viddeo codec, thanks alot! ;)
Oct 14 22:38:27 <janneN> yes..i want a solution so one can avoid that trascoding business. jsut press button and play=)
Oct 14 22:39:49 <widrone> videocodec land is close to hell...I even work with pro video and even there its a bumpy road. 
Oct 14 22:40:19 <widrone> gimme SDI in a green cable anyday I say! 
Oct 14 22:40:27 <janneN> agree..hours works and ,maybe look at a fil 1.5 hours=)
Oct 14 22:40:42 <janneN> +m
Oct 14 22:42:01 <janneN> time to sleep
Oct 14 22:42:05 <janneN> n
Oct 14 22:42:05 <janneN> n
Oct 14 23:31:57 <Flipo> Hello, I checked the different guides on how to install an ntp client on unslung, most of them seem out of date, from what I understand, the only thing I need to to is install ntpclient and all will be done automatically ?
Oct 15 00:47:14 <Flipo> If I understand correctly I need to bypass the crond script that corrects the time each hour and replace it by a script that calls ntpclient
Oct 15 00:54:01 <mwester> Yep.  And after calling ntpclient, it should call hwclock to set the hardware clock from the system clock (as ntpclient only knows about the system clock.
Oct 15 00:59:17 <Flipo> mwester: thanks
Oct 15 01:08:17 <scottrageous> anyone know the default username and password for CUPS admin interface? I'm trying to add a printer but can't find any pages listing the default username or password
Oct 15 01:15:33 <mwester> usually the root id and whatever you set the root password to be...
Oct 15 01:21:51 <scottrageous> nope, didn't work
Oct 15 01:22:06 <scottrageous> wasn't admin:admin, wasn't root:rootpassword
Oct 15 01:22:18 <scottrageous> wasn't admin:rootpassword either lol
Oct 15 02:26:40 <Flipo> in crontab, the first digit at the beginning of a line, it's the line number ?
Oct 15 02:46:38 <Flipo> ah never mind, figured that out
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