**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 21 02:59:56 2007 Oct 21 14:23:43 is there a way to update the version of ALSA on slugos 3.1? It's using 1.0.11rc2, and for some reason that only allows my usb sound card (C-Media 108 chip) to run mono only, and I gotta have stereo working for my application Oct 21 14:43:47 anyone else had problems getting stereo sound out of a usb sound card in slugos 3.1? Oct 21 14:55:01 hmmph, turnup memstick doesn't seem to work... Oct 21 14:57:41 dakster it dont for me either. Oct 21 14:57:58 it works without it Oct 21 14:58:12 not too concerned about that, I'm more worried about getting stereo working Oct 21 14:58:44 the alsa folks said it was because the alsa version in the slugos kernel is so old Oct 21 14:59:39 not familiar enough with ipkg and the kernel setup with this firmware to know if I can update alsa or not Oct 21 15:02:18 kk I ever tried a soundcard on it but think tehre is 1.0.14-r2 Description: Alsa sound library Oct 21 15:02:40 http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=libasound2&id=11992953&official= Oct 21 15:02:49 dunno if that useful Oct 21 15:03:44 it is if I could figure out how to load packages from the unstable branch heh. I'd also need the corresponding kernel-snd kernel module to match it Oct 21 15:05:12 I mean kernel-module-snd Oct 21 15:05:41 not sure if useful but http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe or cant simply wget it and ipkg install bla.ipkg? Oct 21 15:06:13 which is the actual alsa kernel driver, but the version listing in the package tree is just the kernel version, which leads me to believe I can't update alsa without updating the entire kernel Oct 21 15:06:35 hmm Oct 21 15:06:40 hm entire kernel hmmmm Oct 21 15:06:40 thanks for that tip Oct 21 15:06:42 =) Oct 21 15:07:27 possible worht the trouble to do a search in nslu-linux to Oct 21 15:07:52 got 12 tabs open on that site now, not finding anything useful as of yet Oct 21 15:07:53 i mean on yahoo Oct 21 15:07:58 ah Oct 21 15:10:23 well, I guess this year I'll have to stick with mono sound, and next year I'll start early enough that I can do a complete gentoo environment on the slug instead of slugos booting gentoo. making custom kernels will open up a lotta possibilities. Just out of time this year, halloween is fast approaching heh Oct 21 15:11:06 thanks for the help janneN Oct 21 15:12:55 There is a new SlugOS release in the works, will bump up the kernel rev to 2.6.21.6 Oct 21 15:14:07 I believe there's a native way of doing gentoo on the slug as well, I'd prefer that for the flexibility when I'm using the the slug as a robotic controller and sensor system. It's been hijacked for halloween animatronics this year Oct 21 15:14:33 looked at yahoo and it seems you can play internet radio from the slug. cool=) Oct 21 15:35:00 i searced and there is a soundcard 11.82 $. but no information what brand etc,seems the cheap cards is undercover=) Oct 21 15:35:56 I'm just gonna use the mono to animate my skull jaw servo, and then my other animatronix setup won't have any audio. I'll do a proper fix next year, or if I have time just order another USB sound card. Long live the powered usb hub heh Oct 21 15:39:45 dakster somthing like this? http://www.archive.org/details/xmasanima Oct 21 15:41:37 heh, sorta Oct 21 15:42:00 put a nslu2 in santa hehe Oct 21 15:42:19 except with more blood, skulls, and beheaded dolls. This isn't a kid friends halloween party, but it will have kegs of dogfish head beer :) Oct 21 17:14:08 hello lads, are there any third party repos for slugos? Oct 21 17:22:01 xcasex: I don't think so Oct 21 17:22:53 that's too bad. Oct 21 17:23:02 so the other way is to roll your own? Oct 21 17:53:26 xcasex: not exactly 3rd party, there is optware/slugosbe Oct 21 17:53:44 eno: oh? how would i go about accessing it? Oct 21 17:54:14 it's using its own /opt/bin/ipkg, see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe Oct 21 18:00:35 ty Oct 21 19:34:40 hi people Oct 21 19:35:00 i am nikos from greece can anyone help me? Oct 21 19:37:57 ~ask Oct 21 19:37:58 from memory, ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there, just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 21 19:40:02 lol Oct 21 19:40:32 :) I have no idea who added the last sentence there, but I think that covers everyone here. Expect perhaps those who are here by accident. Oct 21 19:42:23 hi Oct 21 19:42:27 can anyone help me? Oct 21 19:42:41 nobody will know unless you ask your question Oct 21 19:42:49 xaxa Oct 21 19:42:52 hello my friend Oct 21 19:42:57 hello from greece Oct 21 19:43:02 i am fun of openwrt Oct 21 19:43:15 and i just found this optware? Oct 21 19:43:24 mwester: maybe cabot is here against its will... Oct 21 19:43:31 it is based on openwrt? Oct 21 19:43:41 i want to know.. Oct 21 19:44:11 optware is a set of application software that runs on many different devices and systems; openwrt is one of them. Oct 21 19:44:17 i am looking for mysql server -packet Oct 21 19:44:42 and i found that optware has a compiled packet but only for mipsel Oct 21 19:44:56 Nikosaei: search nslu2-linux.org Oct 21 19:44:59 is there a way to build a packet for x86 system? Oct 21 19:45:15 for optware, home page at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage Oct 21 19:45:20 i want to port linux inside mini itx-via Oct 21 19:45:26 ok Oct 21 19:45:59 x86 is not the focus of optware, because lot of other project can provide binary for it Oct 21 19:46:08 you don't need cross compile Oct 21 19:46:20 i see Oct 21 19:46:25 but for routerboard? Oct 21 19:46:28 see "linux from scratch", "beyond linux from scratch" Oct 21 19:46:55 x86 is x86 Oct 21 19:47:15 yes but that would be my second question Oct 21 19:47:20 about routerboards Oct 21 19:47:28 or pc-engines alix Oct 21 19:47:35 via etc Oct 21 19:48:33 optware is based on openembedded?i can t find anyone you has port postfix or mysql for mipsel platforms Oct 21 19:48:54 optware is not based on openembedded Oct 21 19:48:59 i see Oct 21 19:49:10 and it has n t a buildroot system Oct 21 19:50:03 usually optware is used to enhance existing firmware, it does not build firmware image Oct 21 19:50:22 i see Oct 21 19:50:48 is there a way to build a binary image for x86 with mysql and postfix? Oct 21 19:51:12 openwrt has n the tools Oct 21 19:51:31 i hear for crosscompile but i can t find a how to!!! Oct 21 19:51:59 for x86, you don't need cross compilation Oct 21 19:52:10 so not much point in using optware Oct 21 19:52:10 why? Oct 21 19:52:39 but if i want to port openwrt inside my x86 mini itx machine? Oct 21 19:52:42 because you can just native build on a more powerful x86 system Oct 21 19:53:12 i see Oct 21 19:53:13 optionally package it Oct 21 19:53:26 move the binaries over, and you can run it Oct 21 19:54:27 about routerboard Oct 21 19:54:40 i have already port openwrt Oct 21 19:54:47 inside it...but i want mysql Oct 21 19:54:58 is there a way? Oct 21 19:55:04 can you help me? Oct 21 19:55:42 i can t find a mipsel packet of mysql for openwrt Oct 21 19:55:53 i need to cross compile it? Oct 21 19:56:36 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/ Oct 21 19:56:53 a couple of the feeds host mipsel binaries Oct 21 19:57:05 such as openwrt-brcm24/ Oct 21 19:57:09 ok Oct 21 19:57:17 and i can run these from rb? Oct 21 19:57:26 without problems? Oct 21 19:57:37 i'm confused about your target environment, is it x86 or mipsel? Oct 21 19:57:44 mipsel Oct 21 19:57:48 routerboard Oct 21 19:57:51 rb 600 Oct 21 19:57:57 rb500* Oct 21 19:58:07 mipsel... Oct 21 19:58:42 i have an alix x86(pc engines ) and a routerboard Oct 21 19:58:58 and i want to run inside these machines a mail server Oct 21 19:59:08 so i want mysql-postfix-quota Oct 21 19:59:56 k, you need to search a little bit on which feed to use Oct 21 20:00:15 i see Oct 21 20:00:24 other than mipsel, there's also uclibc version, linux version Oct 21 20:00:38 what is it? Oct 21 20:00:49 so maybe openwrt-brcm24 feed, maybe ddrwt, maybe oleg Oct 21 20:01:12 i see Oct 21 20:01:38 you tell me that i have to serach wich binary eill play inside my enviroment Oct 21 20:01:49 i dont know very good english :( Oct 21 20:03:31 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/Optware-uClibcBuild Oct 21 20:05:02 and http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/OpenWRT-brcm24Build Oct 21 20:06:56 if i understand Oct 21 20:07:05 you tell me that if i use an openwrt image Oct 21 20:07:20 i will have the oportunity to port inside my enviroment Oct 21 20:07:26 optware packages? Oct 21 20:09:04 if you build your own openwrt image, depends on which release it is based, pick an optware feed Oct 21 20:14:49 see also http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Oct 22 00:07:09 I'm using openslug-3.10-beta, and am looking for an easy way to install emacs. "ipkg list | grep -i emacs -" doesn't find anything. The Optware/Packages page on the wiki seems to say I should install unslung-feeds, but that seems a little dubious, and "ipkg list | grep -i feeds -" doesn't find anything either. What should I try next? Oct 22 00:07:50 (Or should I just try building from source?) Oct 22 00:20:06 nyef: emacs22 in optware/slugosbe feed Oct 22 00:20:47 * mwester thinks that everyone should install emacs on SlugOS at least once, just so they can say they did it. Oct 22 00:21:18 And then install "joe" so that you can run "jmacs", which is keystroke-compatible and runs much better on such a small machine. ;D Oct 22 00:22:00 it actually performs ok Oct 22 00:22:23 startup is pretty slow, IIRC Oct 22 00:22:44 (and isn't it 40+MB in size for the ipk?) Oct 22 00:22:54 installing takes time, but startup should be pretty fast Oct 22 00:22:56 Or am I going too far back in time? Oct 22 00:23:16 since it bascially dumps a core and restore the core upon start Oct 22 00:24:08 another emacs clone that i quite like is jed Oct 22 00:24:34 Okay, so how do I set up this feed? Oct 22 00:24:55 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe Oct 22 00:25:20 The "manual bootstrap" instructions? Oct 22 00:25:25 go get a cup of coffee when you ipkg install emacs22 Oct 22 00:25:29 yes Oct 22 00:25:34 Okay, thanks. Oct 22 00:25:42 (Kettle is already on.) Oct 22 00:25:47 mwester: emacs on the fsg3, for instance, with 64MB of ram, works fine. Oct 22 00:26:08 (I use it regularly) Oct 22 00:26:47 the ipkg size is 30M, but i never did any trimming work Oct 22 00:27:21 Oh, I use it on the DSM-G600 as well. I've just not dared to run it on my production slugs, as I don't want to run them out of memory. Oct 22 00:27:45 (I have swap on one of the two, but it still kills processes that are too large) Oct 22 00:28:05 (and I have bad habit with emacs, and often load very large files rather than grep them, for example) Oct 22 00:28:37 Okay, looks like it's installing now. Thanks. Oct 22 00:29:30 jed is even newbie friendly, with a menu kinda like nano Oct 22 00:48:57 I got this at the end of the install, is this reasonably expected? http://paste.lisp.org/display/49588 Oct 22 00:49:53 * nyef updates with the full output. Oct 22 00:51:06 nyef: i guess /opt/bin/ipkg is using /usr/bin/update-alternatives Oct 22 00:51:19 Oh well, at least emacs appears to work. Oct 22 00:51:54 you can prevent that by "export PATH=/opt/bin:$PATH; ipkg -force-reinstall install ncurses" Oct 22 00:52:33 Seems like there's still a few rough edges, then? Oct 22 00:52:54 * eno once tried explicitly use /opt/bin/update-alternatives, but it does not work on unslung Oct 22 00:53:44 mixing optware/slugosbe ipkg and slugosbe ipk is tricky sometimes Oct 22 00:54:17 i can add a word or two on the wiki Oct 22 00:54:49 Thanks. Oct 22 00:55:00 Now all I need is to get SBCL running... Oct 22 00:55:16 But that'll take a few weeks. Oct 22 00:57:17 i don't think sbcl is supporting arm, i hope i'm wrong though Oct 22 00:57:40 It isn't. Wouldn't it be nice, though? Oct 22 00:58:03 I've been wanting to do a new CPU backend for it for ages. Oct 22 00:58:07 i ported ecl some months ago, i swear i used to get it working, but it's broken now Oct 22 00:58:22 please please, do it Oct 22 00:58:48 (It's actually why I bought this thing.) Oct 22 00:59:24 excellent, keep us posted, i'll help in any way i can Oct 22 01:00:03 i did get erlang running on the slug **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 02:59:56 2007