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Nov 24 07:20:25 <macke_> Hi guys. I have two problems that I hope you could help me with. 
Nov 24 07:20:38 <macke_> The first one is that I download programs to my (Open)slug with ipkg install, to a USB-memorystick. Everything looks great and I see that the programs are installed. But why am I not able to run them? I cant even find the installed programs other than with ipkg status... 
Nov 24 07:20:46 <macke_> The other question is that I have problem chaning the rootpassword when I connect my USB-disk. Tried "passwd" and cp -f /etc/passwd /share/hdd/conf/passwd..
Nov 24 07:29:41 <mwester> macke_:  What firmware are you running?
Nov 24 09:05:36 <macke_> mwester: V2.3R63-uNSLUng-6.8-beta  
Nov 24 12:16:50 <jannen> hm how do I fix putty-linux so I can copy paste?:-/
Nov 24 12:17:27 <jannen> little offtopic but...
Nov 24 12:29:45 <PPmarcel> you want to copy paste from windows?
Nov 24 12:30:00 <PPmarcel> you may try WinSCP
Nov 24 12:30:23 <Reedy_Boy> putty copies/pastes from windows - right click to paste
Nov 24 12:30:33 <jannen> No I use putty linux..ubuntu.
Nov 24 12:30:39 <PPmarcel> O_o
Nov 24 12:30:49 <jannen> in windows I just rightclic
Nov 24 12:30:53 <Reedy_Boy> ya
Nov 24 12:30:54 <jannen> =(
Nov 24 12:31:06 <PPmarcel> middleclic
Nov 24 12:31:10 <PPmarcel> in ubuntu
Nov 24 12:31:15 <PPmarcel> rooo
Nov 24 12:31:18 <PPmarcel> xD
Nov 24 12:31:21 <jannen> i have 2 buttons mouse
Nov 24 12:31:31 <jannen> :-/
Nov 24 12:31:34 <PPmarcel> both together so?
Nov 24 12:31:44 <jannen> hm try it
Nov 24 12:31:45 <PPmarcel> i simulate middle click sometimes
Nov 24 12:32:24 <jannen> big thanks it worked
Nov 24 12:33:21 <PPmarcel> cool :)
Nov 24 15:24:03 <digii> PPmarcel hey there :d
Nov 24 15:31:41 <PPmarcel> hello digii 
Nov 24 15:31:52 <PPmarcel> crashed :>
Nov 24 15:32:04 <PPmarcel> i haven't tryed to fix it yet
Nov 24 15:32:48 <PPmarcel> i will check around rtorrent channel
Nov 24 15:34:09 <digii> ooh :P okok
Nov 24 15:34:17 <digii> does rtorrent have a channel?
Nov 24 15:34:18 <digii> where?
Nov 24 15:35:57 <PPmarcel> #rtorrent
Nov 24 15:39:11 <digii> isnt there any other torrent client thats almost as good as rtorrent PPmarcel 
Nov 24 15:51:58 <PPmarcel> digii: i think not
Nov 24 15:59:49 <digii_> PPmarcel what did they told u?
Nov 24 15:59:53 <digii_> use ipkg?
Nov 24 16:06:24 <EmuandCo> Has anyone a Sydas ZD1211 Driver for ARM Linux for me? I want to use my NSLU as HotSpot
Nov 24 16:06:25 <PPmarcel> ipkg works with SlugOS, openwrt, and some router firmwares
Nov 24 16:06:29 <PPmarcel> but not with debian
Nov 24 16:06:30 <EmuandCo> *Zydas
Nov 24 16:06:38 <PPmarcel> debian use apt-get
Nov 24 16:06:46 <PPmarcel> =aptitude
Nov 24 16:07:14 <PPmarcel> EmuandCo: you talk about a firmware?
Nov 24 16:07:25 <PPmarcel> or a driver for your wifi card?
Nov 24 16:08:34 <EmuandCo> driver
Nov 24 16:08:52 <PPmarcel> which os do you use?
Nov 24 16:08:54 <EmuandCo> I use Unslung 6.8 (non unslinged) 
Nov 24 16:09:44 <PPmarcel> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Peripherals/WirelessNetworkAdapter
Nov 24 16:09:49 <EmuandCo> I used it on my GP2X a whie ago. It uses a ARM CU too, but the driver was non static and the GP2X has other modules
Nov 24 16:10:35 <mwester> EmuandCo:  zd1211 support is very shoddy for old linux kernels such as the Linksys 2.4 kernel used in Unslung.
Nov 24 16:10:56 <digii_> PPmarcel hmm that sux... how are we even going to get rtorrent not to crash then :P
Nov 24 16:11:07 <digii_> isnt going to happen :P?
Nov 24 16:11:14 <PPmarcel> i will compile it with gcc3.4
Nov 24 16:11:29 <digii_> i dont even know how u do that :(
Nov 24 16:11:31 <EmuandCo> mwester well. If the Debian Installer would not be broken, then I would use Debian...
Nov 24 16:12:00 <PPmarcel> debian installer is still brocken, but you can use it
Nov 24 16:12:03 <EmuandCo> ALready overclocked it to suport this IDea
Nov 24 16:12:07 <digii_> still works fine
Nov 24 16:12:20 <EmuandCo> err. And what is broken then??
Nov 24 16:12:27 <PPmarcel> you just have to go back in the first page, and choose the right kernel when the installer asks you
Nov 24 16:12:48 <PPmarcel> well, normall debian installer don't upagraded the location of the new kernel
Nov 24 16:13:11 <PPmarcel> but you go in expert mode installation, and choose the new right one
Nov 24 16:13:46 <PPmarcel> op you copy files on your hard disk and flash your device for debian
Nov 24 16:13:52 <PPmarcel> op -> or
Nov 24 16:14:12 <PPmarcel> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/
Nov 24 16:14:44 <PPmarcel> http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack.html
Nov 24 16:14:50 <mwester> EmuandCo:  Last time I checked, which was a long time ago, it didn't do host mode, and it failed under load (locked up the USB bus or something -- a known problem with the device, but not ever fixed in the 2.4 kernel version of the driver)
Nov 24 16:14:57 <PPmarcel> that's the easyest way
Nov 24 16:15:43 <PPmarcel> mwester: is wonder, who are slugOS developers?
Nov 24 16:16:44 <mwester> I'm one of them.
Nov 24 16:17:14 <PPmarcel> i just want to say that you did a really good work about nslu2 devices
Nov 24 16:17:20 <mwester> Thanks. ;)
Nov 24 16:17:55 <mwester> rwhitby is the guy that leads the projects -- the credit goes to him for an excellent (actually, outstanding) job of managing an opensource project.
Nov 24 16:18:04 <PPmarcel> you are just a fewn and you created soo many systems, anyone can find what is better for himself
Nov 24 16:18:15 <PPmarcel> ok :)
Nov 24 16:18:21 * DrJ is really happy for the project
Nov 24 16:19:08 <DrJ> and even more happy I got printing through the nslu2 working again the other day
Nov 24 16:19:15 <mwester> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/WhoIsWho
Nov 24 16:19:58 <mwester> There are a lot of people that have worked on bit and pieces over the years.  And also a lot of users who have made invaluable contributions by testing and bug reports and wiki articles.
Nov 24 16:20:16 <PPmarcel> yes, wiki system is great
Nov 24 16:20:24 <PPmarcel> we can find many help there
Nov 24 16:20:33 <EmuandCo> I guess Debian has the Driver for NSLU2's LAN and USB in Kernel?
Nov 24 16:20:38 <EmuandCo>  And it looks like the zd1211 Driver is included too :-)
Nov 24 16:20:44 <PPmarcel> EmuandCo: yes :)
Nov 24 16:20:53 <PPmarcel> i dunno about the dirver
Nov 24 16:20:54 <EmuandCo> simply wonderful :-)
Nov 24 16:21:29 <PPmarcel> but if slugOS hadn't existed, debian on nslu2 couldn't be possible
Nov 24 16:22:04 <PPmarcel> mwester: what can you say me about free microcode?
Nov 24 16:22:11 <PPmarcel> about ethernet driver?
Nov 24 16:22:17 <jannen> yes wiki is good. :)I dont think many projects have so good documetation. when  I started i never could have managed without all that info.
Nov 24 16:23:37 <mwester> We don't know about the latest licensing changes for the ethernet firmware, so we still need the click-through license to download the images.  We haven't gotten a response from Intel to see if the licensing change they made recently will allow us to change that - but we hope so.
Nov 24 16:24:06 <PPmarcel> but you didn't tryed to create a new free code? :p
Nov 24 16:24:14 <PPmarcel> i don't remember where i have seen this
Nov 24 16:24:25 <mwester> There is a open version of the driver.
Nov 24 16:24:35 <mwester> The firmware is proprietary.
Nov 24 16:25:21 <PPmarcel> so can we compare the firmware with a bone, and slugos as muscles?
Nov 24 16:25:40 <PPmarcel> i don't understand what is this famous firmware
Nov 24 16:27:18 <mwester> The network device is simple hardware, with a network processing engine (NPE - think of it as a highly specialized CPU).  The firmware is the code that runs on the NPE.  We need the firmware that enables the NPE to be an ethernet port, and we download the Intel firmware into the NPE at boot time to do that.
Nov 24 16:27:45 <mwester> Presumably there exist other firmwares that make the NPE do other things, although I've never looked at those.
Nov 24 16:28:23 <PPmarcel> ok
Nov 24 16:28:46 <PPmarcel> and performances could be limited by this firmare?
Nov 24 16:29:15 <PPmarcel> or is it due to the architecture of the nslu2?
Nov 24 16:30:00 <mwester> At this point in time, it is reasonable to think that the firmware is probably as good as it will get in terms of performance.  The performance limitations of the NSLU2 are mainly due to the CPU and the USB.
Nov 24 16:30:14 <PPmarcel> ok
Nov 24 16:30:30 <EmuandCo> not ram?
Nov 24 16:31:33 <mwester> memory can be a problem, but even a simple transfer from disk->USB->CPU->Network that does not use a lot of memory is limited in performance, mainly by the CPU and USB.
Nov 24 16:32:24 <mwester> For example, the DSM-G600 Rev A is the same CPU at the same speed (266MHz), but it has 64MBytes of RAM, and a gigabit network chip -- it really isn't much faster on the network at all.
Nov 24 16:33:15 <EmuandCo> hmm.
Nov 24 16:33:59 <EmuandCo> so soldering more ram wont be worth the efford?
Nov 24 16:34:38 <mwester> Oh it's very worth the effort -- but it won't make samba share your disks any quicker.  It will let you run more stuff on the slug, though.
Nov 24 16:35:44 <EmuandCo> ook. but i think my solder skills are not enough for this imho
Nov 24 16:36:16 * mwester tried to replace a broken flash chip, and failed.  So his soldering skills aren't good enough either. :(
Nov 24 16:36:57 <EmuandCo> but overclocking helped the speed. right?
Nov 24 16:37:19 <DrJ> oh yes
Nov 24 16:37:25 <mwester> Oh yes.  de-underclocking is the easiest way to make almost everything on the slug faster.
Nov 24 16:37:32 <DrJ> and the best way to do it
Nov 24 16:37:35 <mwester> And its so very simple.
Nov 24 16:37:36 <DrJ> fingernail clippers
Nov 24 16:37:42 <jannen> overclocking and use slugos.:)
Nov 24 16:37:42 <DrJ> imo
Nov 24 16:38:03 <mwester> SlugOS is very quick and responsive as well - it is designed for the NSLU2.
Nov 24 16:38:23 <mwester> BTW, a new SlugOS release is almost ready, for those interested.
Nov 24 16:38:27 <DrJ> I've removed about 30 of them with fingernail clippers...they almost always comes right off, in one piece, and has yet to mess up a slug doing it
Nov 24 16:38:27 <EmuandCo> SlugOS or Debian? What shall I use?
Nov 24 16:38:49 <EmuandCo> What Kernel uses SlugOS?
Nov 24 16:39:08 <jannen> so to for example those interested in rtorrent the choice is slugos
Nov 24 16:39:15 <mwester> Debian has the most packages, and you can use the Debian documentation.  It does not have the ability to boot without an external disk or flash memory stick.
Nov 24 16:39:51 <EmuandCo> I bought a fast 1 G Stick especially for my Project Hot Spot.
Nov 24 16:39:57 <mwester> The upcoming SlugOS release will be 2.6.21, I don't recall what kernel is in SlugOS 3.10 (aka "OpenSlug 3.10) -- it's also 2.6.something
Nov 24 16:40:01 <EmuandCo> I want a Swap File on it too
Nov 24 16:43:17 <jannen> EmuanddCo if you look at the nslu-linux site, slugospages, there is a good guide how to use fdisk to create the neccesary partitions swap and the others.. Even if you never did such before you will do in 15 minutes.:)
Nov 24 16:46:22 <EmuandCo> thx for your help. I think I will try my luck with it this sunday. If it does not work then I will bug you a bit more :-P
Nov 24 16:46:29 <jannen> and if you do it dont bother with the memstick option it dont work.
Nov 24 16:47:22 <EmuandCo> ?
Nov 24 16:47:25 <EmuandCo> why?
Nov 24 16:47:59 <jannen> I dont know why but a memstick will work witout that option. dont worry.
Nov 24 16:48:17 <PPmarcel`> hi
Nov 24 16:48:22 <EmuandCo> ok, thx :-)
Nov 24 16:48:37 <PPmarcel`> i have lost control of the nslu2 :<
Nov 24 16:48:46 <DrJ> howso
Nov 24 16:48:52 <jannen> i never had any :s
Nov 24 16:49:14 <PPmarcel`> i tryed to remove gcc and install gcc3.4
Nov 24 16:49:21 <PPmarcel`> but i can't reconnect now :(
Nov 24 16:49:31 * PPmarcel` slaps PPmarcel around a bit with a large trout
Nov 24 16:49:53 <PPmarcel`> maybe just a reboot when i will at home
Nov 24 17:05:09 <PPmarcel`> digii_
Nov 24 17:05:39 <PPmarcel`> i found someone who has compiled sources with right flags, and put them in deb intallers
Nov 24 17:05:42 <PPmarcel`> http://www.coutts.plus.com/rtorrent_nslu2/
Nov 24 19:28:42 <EmuandCo> what do i need to flash onto the slug to install debian. i only find a old version (4.0r0)
Nov 24 19:29:06 <Reedy_Boy> The installer image is fine
Nov 24 19:29:24 <Reedy_Boy> http://www.slug-firmware.net/d-dls.php
Nov 24 19:29:58 <EmuandCo> and this one is broken too?
Nov 24 19:30:35 <Reedy_Boy> its "broken"
Nov 24 19:30:44 <Reedy_Boy> it will stop half way through saying it cant get the firmware
Nov 24 19:30:49 <Reedy_Boy> kernel image
Nov 24 19:30:50 <Reedy_Boy> even
Nov 24 19:30:56 <Reedy_Boy> Let it continue, and it will let you select it
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