**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 02 02:59:56 2007 Dec 02 13:32:54 This is just so the greatest little gadget ever! (Just wanted to say that =D) Dec 02 18:28:41 hello Dec 02 18:29:04 'lo Dec 02 19:55:44 I moved my 2 slugs to another place. both connected to same switch, eterneth.led is lit, so with switch-led but I cant reach one of them. no ping no ssh. Dec 02 20:08:43 did they have a static ip adress ? Dec 02 20:08:48 or dhcp Dec 02 20:10:11 usually in your router or modem router, you have a dhcp log, where you can find all assigned ips Dec 02 20:18:47 no I got static Dec 02 20:19:08 no need for dhcp in a home especially when you got servers Dec 02 20:19:50 i shall lok in router anyway if I see somthing Dec 02 20:21:56 no such info or wlan clients only Dec 02 20:42:20 what system do you use? Dec 02 20:42:35 unslug, slogos or debian? Dec 02 20:42:45 the notworking is slugos Dec 02 20:43:44 think I need too connect it direct to PC and seeif its alive or dead Dec 02 20:43:51 brb Dec 02 20:58:18 ok Dec 02 20:58:32 same problem ping works when I connect it to PC. moved it back to switch and no ping Dec 02 20:59:08 I lack idea what to look at=( Dec 02 21:36:25 hello everyone, i have a question: i run unslung 6.8b from a 1GB USB-stick and disabled atimes with touch /.ext3flash. To reduce the writing to flash mem even more i wanted to use ramdisk for /dev and /var/log as shown here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Ext3flash. now in a little confused as my system has no /etc/initd: cd /etc/init.d cd: /etc/init.d: No such file or directory. Where am i supposed to place the mount_var_dev.s Dec 02 21:36:25 h script then??? Dec 02 21:38:51 Sefram, that page looks like someone was very confused about SlugOS vs Unslung. Dec 02 21:39:02 It really doesn't apply in that way to Unslung. Dec 02 21:40:12 Don't worry about your flash device so much; the main memory on Unslung is a scarce resource. Dec 02 21:40:14 Sefram imho its better buy one more usb-stick. they last very longt even if you do noting to reduce writes. Dec 02 21:40:25 buy one more clone it. Dec 02 21:40:33 Besides, the /dev ramdisk is frankly just silly, nothing writes there anyway. Dec 02 22:28:38 still same problem no connection to one of my slug. heres setup: router-->dwlg810-->switch slug1 slug2. slug1 unslung connect, slug2 (slugos) dont. I changed switch port, changed cable, nothing works. Dec 02 22:28:46 black magic Dec 02 23:30:29 ok thx, but were aer the real initial startup script located on unslung 6.8b? and im not sure if a flash formated with ext3 distributes the writes as jfs or similar filesystems do... (or is that implemented in the usb controller of the stick?) Dec 02 23:32:10 *Journalling Flash File System (or JFFS)* Dec 03 00:00:16 Sefram: that's done by the firmware in the usb flash memory stick. Dec 03 00:00:57 so it does not matter which filesystem i use? Dec 03 00:01:04 Not at all. Dec 03 00:01:09 nice :-) Dec 03 00:01:36 do you know where the common bootup script are located in unslung 6.8b? Dec 03 00:01:51 /etc/rc Dec 03 00:01:54 i only know the ones in /opt/etc/init.d Dec 03 00:01:56 You'll have to look for them. Dec 03 00:02:10 The correct way to add/remove to them is via diversion scripts. Dec 03 00:02:39 See the wiki for information on how to write diversion scripts. Dec 03 00:02:59 seems to be /etc/rc.d/* Dec 03 00:03:09 But you're just wasting precious memory if you mount /dev and /var/log on ramdisks. It's just not a wise use of memory. Dec 03 00:04:00 ok seems to be better to disable any logging to /var(log instead... Dec 03 00:04:12 Why? Dec 03 00:04:28 Why would you not wish to have some means to find out what's gone wrong? Dec 03 00:04:36 because i dont need logs and dont want to write them to flash Dec 03 00:04:55 Famous last words. Dec 03 00:05:06 ...at least my system is up and running stable... Dec 03 00:05:31 * mwester-laptop makes a note of Sefram's nick, to see when he pops up with a crashed slug ;) :D Dec 03 00:06:14 lol, ok you would keep i that way i guess? Dec 03 00:06:39 I do. I don't even bother with the .ext3flash stuff, myself. Dec 03 00:06:49 so how can i reduce the writing to flash to a bare minimum? Dec 03 00:07:02 If the USB key dies, it dies -- I can get a 512MB one for $9 at the store here. Dec 03 00:07:56 You can unplug the usb device -- that's very effective in keeping writing to a minimum. Short of that, the only thing that is tested and works is the /.ext3flash thing. Dec 03 00:08:24 Anything beyond that is a terrible tradeoff. Dec 03 00:08:35 Have you done any math to see what kind of write rates you will have? Dec 03 00:08:47 What makes you worried about the flash? Dec 03 00:09:19 haha, ok i was just concerned about my flash stick blinking from time to time even if no system resources were used from external requests... Dec 03 00:10:00 You must have one of those horrible Sandisk cruzer micros with the 10 million watt blue LED. I wrapped it in electrical tape to solve that problem. Dec 03 00:10:02 ...and i have no experience with flash memory... Dec 03 00:11:07 no its a CnMemory MediPro 1GB Dec 03 00:11:32 but it also has a very bright blue led... Dec 03 00:11:37 You'll get 100s of thousands of writes to the memory stick. You can wear it out by swapping to it, but it will probably last longer than the NSLU2 itself if you use the .ext3flash trick, and use it normally. Dec 03 00:12:53 so its only a question of the size of data i write, since the controller of the stick distributes the write blocks all over the flash-memory? Dec 03 00:14:26 The controller knows the internal structure of the flash memory, and is supposed to distribute the erase cycles across the unused blocks of flash. Dec 03 00:15:43 so if i understand that correctly its no problem to write small amounts of data to the stick (say editing some php-scripts) even very frequently? Dec 03 00:16:08 No problem at all. Dec 03 00:16:28 How often is "frequently"? Dec 03 00:17:19 hmm i dont know say 10 times a day? Dec 03 00:18:25 Assume 1Mbyte of data written 10 times per day - if spread over a 1Gbyte stick, that means that each block gets a cyle once every 100 days. If each block can be erased 10,000 times, then it will last about 1 million days. Dec 03 00:19:04 even if my math is wrong by several orders of magnitude, that's still longer than I expect to live.l Dec 03 00:19:46 lol, haha or NSLU2 supports the common standards Dec 03 00:20:28 are you using flash mem on your slug? Dec 03 00:21:07 All my test devices use flash memory. I use hard drives because they're cheaper for the production ones. Dec 03 00:21:41 and did you ever had probs with a flash stick ? Dec 03 00:22:41 Never Dec 03 00:23:34 ok you convinced me to keep it that way with /.ext3flash enabled (ince i have only about 700k RAM left i guess i have no other choice)... Dec 03 00:25:22 with what services do you equiped your slug btw? Dec 03 00:26:09 ...and how long is it up and running with flash mem? Dec 03 00:27:14 One is a file server, with dual disks (one backs up the other). The other is the primary network server - DHCP, boot server, NFS server, etc. Both use hard drives. The others are testing devices, and I have a collection of flash devices to test with. Dec 03 00:27:41 i use dropbear, nginx or lighttpd with php-fcgi via spawn-fcgi and the common running services like samba thttpd etc. Dec 03 00:28:18 ...on unslung 6.8b? Dec 03 00:35:47 Is this a good place to ask questions on the Apex bootloader? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Dec 03 02:59:56 2007