**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 27 02:59:57 2007 Dec 27 11:47:02 hi there guys... is anyone here this morning? Dec 27 11:48:28 probably Dec 27 11:48:39 jst want some advice as to what trasnfer rates i can expect when using my nslu2 Dec 27 11:48:45 o_0 capbot isnt... Dec 27 11:49:10 I get 3600kbyte/s Dec 27 11:49:21 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/Performance Dec 27 11:49:22 from a usb memorystick Dec 27 11:49:24 i only get about 2mb per sec (16mbit) Ita cutting it fine for hd Dec 27 11:49:56 I have my slug attached directly to my router which it linked to a standard 100mbit wired network Dec 27 11:50:15 and a 500gb usb hard drive Dec 27 11:50:22 It depends what protocols your using Dec 27 11:50:23 see Dec 27 11:50:23 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/Performance Dec 27 11:51:11 like FTP's faster than samba Dec 27 11:51:44 im sure theres a better page on the wiki.. Dec 27 11:53:17 i use samba shares to stream xvid to xbmc and use it as a mapped network drive to stream to xbox 360 Dec 27 11:54:50 what OS/firmware? Is it de-underclocked? Dec 27 11:56:21 im using r63 unslung firmware although i havent performed the unsling on my new hard drive. I havent overcocked it Dec 27 11:56:41 will it make a difference to transfers doing either of those things? Dec 27 11:57:22 using win vista Dec 27 11:57:25 the firmware can make some difference Dec 27 11:57:26 but yes Dec 27 11:57:39 de-underclocking it, if it is indeeded underclocked, does make a difference Dec 27 11:57:46 if you can telnet/ssh to it Dec 27 11:57:50 cat /proc/cpuinfo Dec 27 11:58:26 god its ages since i did the telnet thing :-) ill have to do some research Dec 27 11:58:36 lol Dec 27 11:58:40 if you go to the web interface Dec 27 11:58:43 http://ipaddress Dec 27 11:58:46 theres a manage telnet link Dec 27 11:58:48 click that, enable Dec 27 11:58:53 cmd prompt Dec 27 11:58:55 telnet ipaddress Dec 27 11:59:01 root Dec 27 11:59:04 unSLUng Dec 27 11:59:06 i think Dec 27 11:59:34 http://192.168.1.77/Management/telnet.cgi Dec 27 11:59:47 sorry, password: uNSLUng Dec 27 12:01:00 wally4793, ^^ Dec 27 12:01:03 i get login incorrect at cmmand promt Dec 27 12:01:15 root, uNSLUng Dec 27 12:01:29 maybe cause you have the drives currently attached.. Dec 27 12:01:51 OH, also what are your drives formatted with..? ext3/nslu2 default? Dec 27 12:01:52 is it because im booting from flash? Dec 27 12:02:06 those are supposed to be the default password.. Dec 27 12:02:13 my drive is formatted natively in ext3 by the nslu Dec 27 12:02:16 have you unslung it before? Dec 27 12:02:29 yeah i unslung the unit a while back Dec 27 12:02:34 as you may want to try the root password you had set then Dec 27 12:02:54 my hdd went tits up then so i gave up on it for a bit Dec 27 12:02:59 lol Dec 27 12:03:25 If i do a hard reset that should reset the password shouldnt it? Dec 27 12:03:39 AFAIK thats just the web admin password Dec 27 12:03:45 which is admin and admin Dec 27 12:03:54 yeah that is still the same Dec 27 12:04:48 wally4793, restart the unit with the drives not attached Dec 27 12:04:52 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/CantTelnetToMyNewlyUnslungNSLU2 Dec 27 12:05:01 BUT, as soon as you plug a disk in, the password will CHANGE to whatever password is stored (in MULTIPLE places) on the disk. And this other password (which you probably don't know, and neither do we) may even PERSIST after you unplug the disk (as it may have been automatically copied into the root filesystem which is now in the internal flash in Unslung 3.x). Dec 27 12:05:53 there is nothing on the disk from the nslu2 it was clean formatted when i plugged it in? Dec 27 12:06:05 doesnt matter Dec 27 12:06:24 ok ill try the reboot with no disks. brb Dec 27 12:10:36 i get connection to host lost... i also got this when i use the pass admin, admin with the disk plugged in. Dec 27 12:11:34 that before or after you enter a username/password Dec 27 12:11:40 you can login as admin on telnet Dec 27 12:11:40 did you re-enable telnet? Dec 27 12:11:48 I mean, you CANT login as admin on telnet Dec 27 12:11:48 can you...? :S Dec 27 12:12:05 lol ShadowJK Dec 27 12:12:11 no i cant login but i can connect to the login prompt Dec 27 12:12:22 and yes i re enabled tlenet Dec 27 12:12:25 telnet Dec 27 12:14:22 yep the password admin,admin and root,uNSUng give lost "connection to host" anything else says "login incorect" Dec 27 12:16:22 what if i reflash the unit.. will that change everything back to standard passwords? Dec 27 12:16:26 should do Dec 27 12:16:32 just dont boot up with a drive attached Dec 27 12:16:57 which is the best firmware to use these days? Dec 27 12:17:14 depends what you want to do really Dec 27 12:17:16 r63? Dec 27 12:17:16 horses for causes Dec 27 12:17:45 i simply wish to stream movies and audio to my xboxs and between pcs Dec 27 12:17:45 r63 linksys is what Unslung 6.8 is based on isnt it..? Dec 27 12:19:23 do you use any custom applications/whatever.. or just like samba for file streaming? Dec 27 12:20:32 i did use twonky last time for streaming which i installed onto my unslung hard drive but i dont think ill need that this time Dec 27 12:20:56 hmm Dec 27 12:21:06 yeah samba for xbmc and i map the drive to my pc and use media centre to stream hd to my 360 Dec 27 12:21:23 Jees.. No wonder its quite slow.. Dec 27 12:21:30 why? Dec 27 12:21:33 If you think you may want/need something later, put the latest unslung on again.. And usnlung to the drive Dec 27 12:21:47 Your routing it through another machine which is then transfering it... Dec 27 12:21:58 you mean the mapping is slowing things down? Dec 27 12:22:25 not necesserily, but your using an intermediatary which wont help things out.. unless it ended up like buffering it or something Dec 27 12:23:16 unfortunately the 360 cant use samba to share... just wmp11, zune or mce.... not sure why might ask bill next time im round for dinner :-) Dec 27 12:23:28 haha Dec 27 12:23:29 errm Dec 27 12:23:46 ive seen it somewhere they used something else.. Dec 27 12:23:47 errm Dec 27 12:25:22 what for the 360 you mean? Dec 27 12:25:36 yaa Dec 27 12:25:38 im just finding it Dec 27 12:26:05 i think i saw it on the boards they used twonky but couldnt find any successful results reported Dec 27 12:26:09 Winamp remote... Dec 27 12:26:15 hmm Dec 27 12:26:54 winamp remote? yeah think i remember someone sharing using winamp. i take it winamp remote is an app that sits on the hard drive attached to the slug? Dec 27 12:27:09 but on the windows pc... like you have now :/ Dec 27 12:27:39 http://www.eurogamer.net/forum_thread_posts.php?thread_id=72313 Dec 27 12:27:43 "I'm running TwonkyMedia on a slug - it's the only one I could get to play nicely with the updated dash. You need the 4.2 beta" Dec 27 12:27:52 So twonky works Dec 27 12:28:32 ah twonky... i think i still have that :-) .. suppose i better cancel my day and get ready for some unslinging and shit! lol Dec 27 12:29:10 haha Dec 27 12:29:17 unslinging wont take that long ;) Dec 27 12:30:36 lol you dont know how usless i am lol... its fun getting to grips with geeky stuff tho Dec 27 12:30:49 lol Dec 27 12:32:10 * Reedy_Boy wonders if he should try it for the fun of it Dec 27 12:32:48 http://forums.linksys.com/linksys/board/message?board.id=Network_Storage&message.id=697 Dec 27 12:33:07 You need to go to the NSLU2 Setup and add a read access for "everyone" group to the share that you want to access on your Xbox so the Xbox can access this share without the need to sign in with a username and password. Make sure also your UPnP is enabled in your router and NSLU2 setup. Dec 27 12:33:31 So aslong as the uPnP is there.. it should be able to access it it there is no auth.. Dec 27 12:34:29 how do you find all those things? mad Dec 27 12:34:46 google foo Dec 27 12:34:47 :D Dec 27 12:35:26 ill try that first although the idea is being able to access the library without the need for my pc switched on. So the twonky on the slug would be best.. Dec 27 12:36:07 http://sourceforge.net/projects/x360mediaserve Dec 27 12:36:13 Supposedly debian --> xbox360 Dec 27 12:37:47 "twonkymedia trial to serve media to my Xbox 360" Dec 27 12:37:47 debian is an alternative to unslung isnt it? Dec 27 12:37:51 yeah Dec 27 12:37:59 quite an easy install, just takes a while Dec 27 12:38:04 and more of a full blown linux distro Dec 27 12:38:16 seems twonky is the best/most successful way of streaming to the 360 Dec 27 12:38:57 the last one is a music only streamer i think Dec 27 12:40:57 Also the one which says i must enable read access on the slug etc doesnt work as i have read/write access already activated :-) Right ill go get my slug don here and start fathoming unslinging again :-) Dec 27 12:44:40 wally4793, http://howtotwonky.pbwiki.com/RAM%20Installation Dec 27 12:44:44 seems you can "install" from windows.. Dec 27 12:45:57 yeah i did that last time... was noob friendly :-) Dec 27 12:46:17 ooh Dec 27 12:46:18 lol Dec 27 12:46:22 hopefully ive still got twonk somewhere as you had to pay for it :-( Dec 27 12:47:06 yeah, you can put in your email to get your serial and such Dec 27 12:47:29 http://howtotwonky.pbwiki.com/ Dec 27 12:47:45 just a bit out of date (unslung 5.5 and twonky 3.1) Dec 27 12:47:49 but should be somewhere near right Dec 27 12:48:05 thanx for your help reedy... ill be prob be back and forth asking stupid questions :-) Dec 27 12:48:30 lol Dec 27 12:51:20 http://www.twonkyvision.de/Download/4.4/twonkymedia-nslu2.zip Dec 27 12:55:16 strange how it isnt advertised on the website... :/ Dec 27 12:56:10 how what isnt advertised? in the instructions it doesnt say you need to unsling.. can you install apps while the slug is booted from flash? Dec 27 12:56:45 im not sure if you can, but its certainly not reccommended if you can Dec 27 12:56:48 you WILL brick the slug Dec 27 12:57:00 the only way i found the up to date nslu2 link was via the forums.. Dec 27 12:57:16 it will brick it? if i have the unslung firmware installed but boot from flash? Dec 27 12:57:49 i was meaning installing applications before its unslung to disk Dec 27 12:59:06 yeah so it needs to be unslung to disk. right thats task one. wish me luck. Dec 27 12:59:22 the team here have made it so you dont need luck ;) Dec 27 12:59:28 just follow the instructions and it will all go fine :) Dec 27 13:02:03 thanks ... im on the wiki now :-) Dec 27 13:02:25 the read me with the latest firmware download tells you waht to do ;) Dec 27 13:04:28 oh kewl... Dec 27 13:04:34 i have just d/l that :-) Dec 27 13:07:09 ill be back in 5 or 10 Dec 27 13:07:18 just gonna reattach a hard drive i need to my desktop Dec 27 13:38:44 Reedy... you there? think ive bricked my unit :-( using the sercomm utility oops Dec 27 13:48:57 wally gone? Dec 27 14:00:24 Reedy... you there? think ive bricked my unit :-( using the sercomm utility oops Dec 27 14:00:27 then he quit Dec 27 14:02:21 Ah, thanks.. Dec 27 16:45:54 you there reedy boy? Dec 27 16:46:09 Ya Dec 27 16:46:13 did you brick it? Dec 27 16:46:29 yeah but i cant work out how Dec 27 16:47:10 Whatya do? Dec 27 16:47:23 i was using the sercomm utility (ive used this lots of times) but when i went to click upgrade i got the "erasing eeprom" message then blue screen of death Dec 27 16:47:34 ooops Dec 27 16:47:47 Gah :/ Dec 27 16:47:55 thats why then Dec 27 16:48:02 it was tidying up Dec 27 16:48:07 then didnt put anything back on Dec 27 16:48:19 now my slug just goes into orange/green flashing stage... unfortuntaly i cant get the ethenet to connect properly Dec 27 16:48:56 sounds like it'll need serial or JTAG.. Dec 27 16:49:44 i cant beleive it! ive used sercomm lots of times without fail. prob cheaper buying a new one! Dec 27 16:49:51 lol Dec 27 16:49:57 the BSOD's the problem Dec 27 16:49:59 where are you? Dec 27 16:51:12 uhe uk Dec 27 16:51:53 hmm Dec 27 16:52:00 im wondering if it was actually screwed b4 the bsod as i retried on my other pc (even with flashing lights) and it did the exact same thing Dec 27 16:52:19 got to erase eeprom and bsod Dec 27 16:54:46 I ended up sending a NSLU2 to northern ireland for bullfrog to reflash it... as it wasnt accessible from redboot for reflashing via upslug or sercomm Dec 27 16:54:49 wasnt responsive via network Dec 27 16:54:58 he serialised it and reflashed via serial for me :) Dec 27 16:55:24 ooh, such a service in europe? :) Dec 27 16:56:11 He offered via nslu2-general linux group Dec 27 16:56:19 i paid for postage both ways, and something for his time Dec 27 16:56:31 wasnt expensive, but worth it Dec 27 16:56:56 i take it theres no way to acces red boot for me if the the reset switch doesnt work huh? Dec 27 16:59:54 nslu2-general linux group? is that irc or forum group? Dec 27 17:00:33 the yahoo forum/group thingy Dec 27 17:02:22 will it not go into upgrade mode wally4793 ? Dec 27 17:03:10 by holding the reset? Dec 27 17:03:31 ya Dec 27 17:03:57 Redboot provides an "upgrade mode" which is entered if you hold down the reset button for 10 seconds when powering on. The normal procedure for re-flashing involves communicating with the bootloader in this mode. So if you have somehow corrupted your bootloader, this procedure can't work. In this case you need to use special JTAG hardware to re-program the flash. This is described further here. Dec 27 17:04:07 it lights orange first for maybe 10-15 then starts flashing orange/green. the reset doesnt seem to do anything Dec 27 17:04:37 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/RecoverFromABadFlashUsingJTAG Dec 27 17:04:49 wonder if any of the dev's will be able to liken that to something easily Dec 27 17:04:52 mwester, you about? Dec 27 17:06:03 soldering is beyond me :-) Dec 27 17:06:31 you might be able to find a kind soul who has done it before/can do it for you Dec 27 17:07:31 you dont think it is automatically entering upgrade mode do you? and i need to figure out how to get the ethernet conecting to my pc? Dec 27 17:08:17 it might be.. but i dont know, are the lights the same as if its upgrade mode? Dec 27 17:10:27 If the flash is corrupted, the bootloader will automagically enter upgrade mode, and the lights will flash in the upgrade mode sequence. Dec 27 17:10:51 sercomm and upslug2 will both find the device in upgrade mode, in that event, and you can just re-flash the device. Dec 27 17:11:22 If you use either the sercomm or the upslug2 utility, you cannot brick the device. Only the "eraseall" utility has the built-in ability to brick the NSLU2 Dec 27 17:11:28 Thanks mwester :) Dec 27 17:11:44 wally4793, it may just be appearing on the 192.168.0.1 ip.. that may be your router Dec 27 17:11:54 what should the device read in sercomm.... Dec 27 17:12:09 Reedy_Boy: :) NP. I did that to one of my slugs just last evening. Dec 27 17:12:21 wally4793, what do you mean Dec 27 17:12:31 wally4793: I don't use sercomm - I'm not sure what you mean. Dec 27 17:12:51 I used my unslung nslu2 to reflash my debian one last time it went wrong :D Dec 27 17:13:15 i select my ethernet adaptor and i get something in thedevice list... a 12 digit number Dec 27 17:13:30 if it finds anything Dec 27 17:13:36 its something in the upgrade mode Dec 27 17:13:37 IIRC Dec 27 17:13:41 could it be vista not working correctly with sercomm? Dec 27 17:13:52 I think vista doesnt work too well with it.. Dec 27 17:14:02 I think thats why i ended up using upslug2 on my other nslu2.. Dec 27 17:14:05 i cant really remember Dec 27 17:14:08 i wonder if thats why im getting bsod? Dec 27 17:14:32 upslug can be used in a vmware window cant it? Dec 27 17:14:33 sercomm is so sensitive to so many things. I would not be at all surprised if it is broken on vista, or vista is broken with it. Dec 27 17:15:03 i might take it to my parents they have xp :-) Dec 27 17:15:10 wally4793, it can, yes.. Dec 27 17:15:17 i saw something on the wiki saying you should sun sercomm in XP compatibility mode on vista Dec 27 17:15:47 hmm Dec 27 17:16:04 wally4793: boot up knoppix or another livecd, and run upslug2 from there. Dec 27 17:16:42 actually....... i cant remember if i was on vista last time i had to reflash :S Dec 27 17:17:30 * mwester is avoiding vista, since he doesn't have 2GBytes of RAM and a 3.6GHz CPU with a massive graphics accellerator to spare at the moment. Dec 27 17:17:36 :D Dec 27 17:18:02 awww, my baby sister is stealing all my christmas chocolate Dec 27 17:18:02 heh Dec 27 17:30:17 Wasnt someone going to do like a slax live cd with upslug2 pre-installed on it..? Dec 27 17:30:52 ShadowJK, yup.. Dec 27 17:30:54 wally4793, More additional SerComm notes: Under Windows Vista i got repeatingly blue screens (page fault in non paged area), The solution: Set the properties to compatibilitymode "XP sp2" and run the Sercomm utility with Administrators' rights - Wouter Dec 27 17:31:49 wally4793, that'll be the cause.. so your pc is ok.. its just related to that Dec 27 17:33:51 lol Dec 27 17:40:10 made the vista thing further up in big letters.. Dec 27 19:14:59 hey reedy boy... seems the problem was with vista. flashed first time in xp... ps told you id need all day :-P Dec 27 19:18:49 oh shit reedy i didnt realise you had to open up the slug to de-underclock... yikes! Dec 27 19:23:52 wally4128, hah Dec 27 19:23:56 its a very simple process Dec 27 19:24:08 wally4128, if you ever need to do it in vista again Dec 27 19:24:20 set it in xp sp2 compatability mode, it seems, and in administrator mode Dec 27 19:27:03 And de-underclocking, if indeed, it is underclocked, only requires breaking/removing 1 resistor Dec 27 19:32:12 lol sounds simple enough i might try it if i feel brave enough :-) Dec 27 19:33:06 my slug is stil running from internal flash after unsling... i had this problem last time :-( Dec 27 19:34:17 it says its unslung in telnet but in the web browswer it says its runing from internal flash.. Dec 27 19:35:53 it does look quite easy to overclock :-) ill do it later Dec 27 19:37:34 mwester, looks like Martin Michlmayr has released 4.0r2 for debian... http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/files/di-nslu2.bin Dec 27 19:37:46 Whens that go up on slug-firmware? when someone gets round to it? Dec 27 20:03:39 We'll have to ping rwhitby about the debian release. Has anyone installed it from that image - does it work correctly? Dec 27 20:05:58 Martin has.. He's just writing up the announcement and such Dec 27 20:06:50 mwester, http://lists.debian.org/debian-arm/2007/12/msg00142.html Dec 27 20:07:20 Ok. Dec 27 20:07:43 Thats good at least... :) Dec 27 20:30:06 reedy just a quick thanks i have twonky serving now direct without the need for the pc on with the drive mapped... seems to work ok just need to check transfer speeds on hd stuff :-) Dec 27 20:35:35 :) Dec 27 20:35:44 wally4128, have you a telnet window open? Dec 27 20:35:57 wally47, even Dec 27 20:36:12 How many wally's do we have? Dec 27 20:36:19 wally47, and wally4793 Dec 27 20:36:20 lol Dec 27 20:36:59 1... Dec 27 20:38:32 meh, just say "wally*" Dec 27 20:38:38 lol Dec 27 20:38:44 does that ping them? Dec 27 20:38:47 wally* Dec 27 20:39:22 wally* - If your still here.. Something for you to quickly try :) Dec 27 20:40:39 Makes more sense to have NSLU2 --> Xbox 360 Dec 27 20:40:48 Rather than NSLU2 --> PC --> Xbox 360 Dec 27 21:19:36 * Reedy_Boy may actually start using one of his NSLU2's on a regular basis :o Dec 27 21:19:41 for something.. Dec 27 21:19:47 if i get a Pinnacle Soundbridge radio.. Dec 27 21:19:55 Then a large external drive for my nslu2 :) Dec 27 21:21:17 * mwester has three nslu2-linux devices in full service. Dec 27 21:21:24 heh Dec 27 21:21:31 I've got 2, an unslung one and a debian one.. Dec 27 21:21:40 I dont use them for much more than just faffing... Dec 27 21:22:04 Like i put squid on my debian one to test using proxy in a C# program i help develop for wikipedia.. Dec 27 21:22:13 Cause i couldnt be bothered putting my windows server box on :) Dec 27 21:25:07 If i got something nice like a Thecus N2100.. And torrent from it.. That would remove the use of my windows server.. I could do it all in linux.. and QUIETLY!! Dec 27 21:28:42 wally4793, you there? Dec 27 21:29:15 if you are Dec 27 21:29:24 in telnet, type cat /proc/cpuinfo Dec 27 21:29:43 Or someone could spend a bit of time to see if they can adapt one of the more promising torrent downloaders to a very-extremely-extraordinarily-small-memory-model. Dec 27 21:30:11 it should give you like BogoMIPS : 263.78 Dec 27 21:30:12 if its its de-underclocked Dec 27 21:30:20 or around 133 if its underclocked.. Dec 27 21:30:49 mwester, which i proably should do.. as i have spare time... But i need to get a nice large external USB drive for it first... Dec 27 21:31:19 Im used to using azureus for torrents.. the least memory friendly BT client out there.. Dec 27 21:31:39 The N2100 would jut be like another impulse/not actually use device.. Dec 27 21:33:34 However.. If it replaced the Snap Server 2200 i dont use.. If that sold for reasonable on ebay.. And maybe get rid of that lacie ethernet disk... Or linux it.. Dec 27 21:34:02 replaced/sold Dec 27 21:38:31 ie stuff i dont/wont need/use Dec 27 21:38:51 * Reedy_Boy shrugs Dec 27 21:59:48 Hi all -- I'm a newbie, having trouble telnetting into redboot on my new slug, from my linux box. I do the "route add ..." and the "while ! ping ... telnet 192.168.0.1 9000," then power up the slug. It never connects. This is over a crossover cable, no other network connected. Can anyone suggest what do do? Dec 27 22:02:24 your pc on a static ip? Dec 27 22:04:12 hmm...good question...in my normal setup, the router assigns it an address, and the lease is pretty long. In the setup where it's just the two machines hooked up through a crossover cable, I'm not sure what happens Dec 27 22:09:06 I'm hooking it up to a different computer via a crossover cable, so I can be on IRC while messing with it. The other computer is an old iBook; I read that on newer macs, the extra time delay caused Dec 27 22:09:36 by auto-MDI/MDIX can make it impossible to do the telnet. Anyone know if this would be a problem with a ca.-2002 ibook? Dec 27 22:17:32 bcrowell: what is it you are wishing to do that you need to telnet into redboot? If it's just the prerequisite step before installing other firmware, that requirement has been removed (replaced by a much easier process). Dec 27 22:19:03 hmm...well, the readme for unslung has stern warning message: " Dec 27 22:19:03 You *must* test telnet Redboot access first before you flash the Unslung Dec 27 22:19:03 firmware. Failure to do so will mean you get no sympathy at all if you Dec 27 22:19:03 can't access Redboot when you need to recover from a bad flash. Dec 27 22:19:29 is that warning out of date? Dec 27 22:19:53 The intent of the warning is not out of date. Dec 27 22:20:26 But there's an easier way to ensure that you are able to accomplish that end goal. Just enter upgrade mode by using the reset-button method. Dec 27 22:21:50 Just do this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseTheResetButtonToEnterUpgradeMode Dec 27 22:22:25 And if you get to the flashing colors on the Ready/Status LED, then you've accomplished the goal of that step. Dec 27 22:22:26 :) Dec 27 22:22:41 ah, okay. Maybe I'll add a note to that effect at the top of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TelnetIntoRedBoot . Dec 27 22:22:52 That would be a good idea... Dec 27 22:23:12 Cool. Thanks, folks -- this seems like a really friendly and helpful community! Dec 27 22:23:38 (But note that there are other reasons to telnet into Redboot; it's just not the *only* way to recover from a bad flash attempt.) Dec 27 22:23:43 I'm guessing the readme rather would be the better place to change it? :) Dec 27 22:24:07 Yep. The README should be updated, too. But that opens a can of worms. Dec 27 22:24:17 hm? Dec 27 22:24:38 The Readme is on the Unslung image as well, so replacing the Readme would require generating a new release (6.9-beta?). Dec 27 22:25:42 And if we are going to change the readme, well, there's those little issues in the "known problems" page on the wiki... and before you know it, it ends up being a much larger task than it started out being. :) Dec 27 22:26:39 (I actually have a whole bunch of stuff committed towards 6.9, but we've never had the update release from Linksys that would trigger another Unslung release) Dec 27 22:28:32 Can anyone suggest a disk drive to use? I'd like one that uses as little power as possible. Dec 27 22:31:34 cja, I was just pricing flash and platter drives. Do you need more capacity than you can get in flash? Dec 27 22:31:59 I need at least 40gb Dec 27 22:32:24 I'll use it for streaming music and a bit of backing up Dec 27 22:32:37 at present I have about 20gb of music Dec 27 22:33:25 32Gb flash seems to be the biggest they're selling right now, and those are $350. With a platter drive, I've heard a lot of horror stories about Seagate drives http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/09/0651200 Dec 27 22:33:27 * ShadowJK noticed that most 2.5" USB consume more than the 500mA @ 5V USB limit Dec 27 22:34:02 I'm getting confused by all the stuff on various websites about spinning down Dec 27 22:34:19 plus I live in the UK and electricity is really expensive Dec 27 22:34:25 jaja Dec 27 22:35:25 My music collection is about the same size as yours, cja, but not yet ripped. I bought a 16 Gb flash drive today for $150, and I figure that will be plenty for the time being. Probably in a year you'll be able to get 64 Gb drives at some reasonable price. Dec 27 22:36:28 I'm sure I read somewhere on nslu2-linux.org that it's complicated to install the OS on a flash drive Dec 27 22:36:32 is that right? Dec 27 22:36:42 nope Dec 27 22:36:49 same as a hard drive.. well almost Dec 27 22:36:52 depending on the firmware Dec 27 22:37:19 actually, same, end of.. isnt it now Dec 27 22:37:28 its just if you want weird and wonderful filesystems on it Dec 27 22:37:49 haha, cja we're on the same ISP Dec 27 22:38:00 PlusNet are ace Dec 27 22:38:01 :) Dec 27 22:38:11 especially cos I don't use them for email Dec 27 22:38:13 I've had few problems with them Dec 27 22:38:14 haha Dec 27 22:38:16 heh, I unslung to a SD card in a card reader.. wasn't hard at all? Dec 27 22:38:35 But I guess the ext3 will kill it :) Dec 27 22:38:59 bcrowell, useful link thanks.. was looking at getting one due to the good price...h Dec 27 22:39:00 hah Dec 27 22:39:39 I have limited linux experience (have an Ubuntu laptop and it just works) Dec 27 22:39:48 and so don't want anything complicated Dec 27 22:40:01 just a music streaming machine Dec 27 22:40:03 cja, whatya streaming to? Dec 27 22:40:06 using minimum power Dec 27 22:40:29 * cja looks for url Dec 27 22:40:46 http://www.ebuyer.com/product/131852 Dec 27 22:40:55 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/DealWithAutoSpinDownOnSeagateFreeAgent Dec 27 22:40:57 Pinnacle Soundbridge HomeMusic WiFi Media Player Dec 27 22:41:00 Ah Dec 27 22:41:06 heh Dec 27 22:41:11 it's cheap Dec 27 22:41:12 Ebuyer are shitty btw ;) Dec 27 22:41:15 I live near them Dec 27 22:41:30 They're fine if nowt goes wrong Dec 27 22:41:38 Yup, my thoughts exactly Dec 27 22:41:40 and it usually doesn't Dec 27 22:41:49 So ideally, your going to want something like twonkyvision Dec 27 22:41:54 or firefly Dec 27 22:41:55 a uPnP streaming setup Dec 27 22:41:56 ya Dec 27 22:42:01 haven't decided between them yet Dec 27 22:42:43 My dream is that someone will say "hey, that's exactly what I've got set up" and then procede to tell me exactly what to buy Dec 27 22:43:05 cja, many people have the variations Dec 27 22:43:17 im just looking at getting a Soundbridge Radio Dec 27 22:43:27 http://wiki.fireflymediaserver.org/NSLU2_Installation Dec 27 22:43:30 Firefly is quite simple.. Dec 27 22:43:40 twonky, although not free, has an installer that you can use.. Dec 27 22:43:41 I already have the speakers and a DAB radio Dec 27 22:43:52 I just need the music source Dec 27 22:44:03 I use a Sansa MP3 player atm Dec 27 22:44:10 heh Dec 27 22:44:22 but getting tired of having to come back to computer for charging and changing songs Dec 27 22:45:08 hmm Dec 27 22:47:01 using flash, you get the problems of drives wearing out - limited (albeit quite a lot) of read/write cycles Dec 27 22:47:20 At Fry's today, I noticed that they have a bunch of standalone devices that are meant to link to an smb server via wifi, and play music. They have volume knobs and remote controls for selecting what song you want to play. Kind of pricey, though. Dec 27 22:47:33 heh Dec 27 22:47:44 that's what the Soundbridge is Dec 27 22:48:04 But at £45.. not so pricey Dec 27 22:48:13 except it's designed to connect to its server software on a PC Dec 27 22:48:30 or internet radio streaming Dec 27 22:48:41 I shall ignore that function Dec 27 22:48:47 lol Dec 27 22:48:48 why? Dec 27 22:48:49 I like my own music :) Dec 27 22:49:23 heh Dec 27 22:49:26 I saw two models, one of which said specifically on the box that it was compatible with a Linux/FreeBSD server. I assume they all use smb, though so I would think they'd all be compatible with a slug, wouldn't they? Dec 27 22:49:44 Dunno Dec 27 22:50:09 SMB would be different.. Most seem to need uPnP servers.. Dec 27 22:50:16 Like the XBox 360 does... Dec 27 22:50:28