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Dec 31 03:02:36 <Mike_____> with debian installed do drives automatically mounth when i plug them in
Dec 31 05:18:53 <Mike_____> how do i install samba on debian
Dec 31 05:28:01 <Mike_____> how do i install samba on debian
Dec 31 05:32:08 <mwester> Mike_____:  For debian questions, you might try the #debian-arm channel on irc.oftc.net
Dec 31 05:50:35 <Mike_____> lik i meant installing it with the nslu2 does it take any special config
Dec 31 05:56:25 <mwester> If you installed Debian on the NSLU2, then it behaves like Debian once installed -- no special anythings required.
Dec 31 05:56:44 <mwester> So any documentation you find on Debian should apply.
Dec 31 05:59:46 <Mike_____> oh okay was hoping that there was an optimized package or something thx
Dec 31 06:00:35 <mwester> That would be Unslung or SlugOS - not Debian, I'm afraid.
Dec 31 06:00:53 <Mike_____> ok
Dec 31 06:01:14 <Mike_____> have u ever installed debian on nslu2
Dec 31 06:01:38 <mwester> Nope.  I don't do Debian.  Tried it once, but I didn't inhale.
Dec 31 06:02:24 <Mike_____> lol
Dec 31 06:02:31 <Mike_____> its not good?
Dec 31 06:04:51 <mwester> It was a desktop install - I found that it was easier for me to figure out what was wrong with my Fedora install than to bludgeon Debian into submission on it.
Dec 31 06:05:23 <Mike_____> ah i see
Dec 31 06:05:24 <mwester> On the NSLU2, I personally screw up external devices so often that I stick with firmware that has a recovery mode, like Unslung and SlugOS.
Dec 31 06:06:37 <mwester> I'd mess something up every few weeks, and end up re-installing... so the vast number of packages for Debian just isn't enough of a draw for me to go that route.
Dec 31 06:16:46 <Mike_____> i just went that route cuz i  found a nice guide on torrentflux 
Dec 31 06:17:03 <Mike_____> it probably would have worked on unslung but today i just didnt want any hassles
Dec 31 06:17:14 <Mike_____> ill be done as soon as  get shares working
Dec 31 10:47:45 <SyNko> hallo
Dec 31 10:49:47 <SyNko> if  somebody is insterested in building from source the firmware-image im gonna do it. Im I.T. dev not skilled on this bunch. Ive tried to get intel micocode with no results
Dec 31 10:50:22 <SyNko> cause i want the cripto version of access library, Does somebody got it?
Dec 31 10:51:06 <SyNko> is somebody expert on building?
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Dec 31 13:20:01 <roodee> hello all
Dec 31 14:13:55 <palken> Hi, I have a question regarding a usb harddrive to my slug.
Dec 31 14:14:12 <Reedy_Boy> fire away
Dec 31 14:15:11 <palken> Will it mather to have a fast harddrive? Or is the slug to slow to handle the fast speed?
Dec 31 14:17:34 <palken> Will it be any differense between a 5400 rpm or a 7200 rpm drive?
Dec 31 14:18:50 <DrJ> no
Dec 31 14:19:13 <DrJ> none of that really matters when dealing with USB
Dec 31 14:20:09 <palken> okay so it is the USB that really determines the speed then?
Dec 31 14:20:48 <DrJ> the overall speed you are worried about
Dec 31 14:21:19 <DrJ> includes the speed of the nslu2, the USB bus on the nslu2, the router/hub, and your computer
Dec 31 14:21:27 <DrJ> oh, and the hard drive
Dec 31 14:21:55 <DrJ> through all those, you wont see a difference between 5400 and 7200 ... at least, I wouldn't think so
Dec 31 14:22:24 <palken> Well I'm not sure yet if I should save some money and buy a slow drive but if the speed is terrible when I for eksample are backing up with my slug then I would buy a faster one :)
Dec 31 14:22:39 <Reedy_Boy> whats the money saving?
Dec 31 14:22:42 <Reedy_Boy> i bet its not a lot..
Dec 31 14:22:50 <DrJ> yea, hard drives are cheap
Dec 31 14:23:13 <Reedy_Boy> if its a matter of a few $$/££, i'd go for the 7200 over it
Dec 31 14:24:05 <palken> true
Dec 31 14:24:38 <Reedy_Boy> then you know, its not going to cause any slow down - even though like DrJ said, it shouldnt make any difference
Dec 31 14:26:01 <palken> yeah, but I'm thinking of buying a 2.5" Drive that is silent, and most of them are 5400 rpm.
Dec 31 14:26:10 <Reedy_Boy> lol
Dec 31 14:27:48 <DrJ> palken, if this drive is only going to be used for the nslu2, which is you use it for the nslu2 it should be
Dec 31 14:27:51 <DrJ> then it doesn't matter
Dec 31 14:28:54 <palken> right :) It will mostly be used for the nslu2, and I want it silent so I finally can have a silent minifileserver at home.
Dec 31 14:29:18 <palken> Well, I think I go for a cheap silent 5400 rpm 2.5" drive then 
Dec 31 14:29:20 <palken> Thanks :)
Dec 31 15:23:50 <h7-25> hello, how much power can be drawn of the nslu's usb sockets? (i want to use a usb-powered hdd with it)
Dec 31 15:24:53 <h7-25> the wd passport hdd requires 650mA is that possible?
Dec 31 16:24:37 <mwester> h7-25:  In general, you should use externally-powered disks with the NSLU2.  It can supply up to 500ma per port, but the amount of power required to spin-up a usb-powered HDD may be excessive, which (due to the way the power is wired) may crash the NSLU2.
Dec 31 16:34:54 <janne-n> Happy new year all Slugowners=).
Dec 31 16:58:01 <Mike_> hi
Dec 31 16:58:08 <Mike_> >	also fdisk doesnt seemt o be installed and i cant get it using apt-get
Dec 31 16:58:29 <sw> just ordered my NSLU2 :-D
Dec 31 16:59:49 <Reedy_Boy> Mike_, whats fdisk?
Dec 31 17:00:47 <Mike_> fdisk i unno a tool in unix? ill show you the code im trying to run
Dec 31 17:01:36 <Reedy_Boy> oh, disk partitioning?
Dec 31 17:02:16 <Mike_> fdisk -l | grep NTFS
Dec 31 17:02:18 <Mike_> yea
Dec 31 17:03:24 <Reedy_Boy> i forget these things using windows more than linux
Dec 31 17:03:54 <Reedy_Boy> Mine had it by default..
Dec 31 17:04:26 <Reedy_Boy> Mike_, http://packages.debian.org/stable/fdisk-udeb
Dec 31 17:04:32 <Reedy_Boy> apt-get install fdisk-udeb
Dec 31 17:05:53 <Mike_> package not found
Dec 31 17:06:04 <Reedy_Boy> ^o)
Dec 31 17:06:08 <janne-n> I think theres a app:  cfdisk
Dec 31 17:06:44 <Mike_> nope still not found
Dec 31 17:06:49 <Mike_> do i need a diff repository
Dec 31 17:06:52 <Reedy_Boy> Warning: This package is intended for the use in building debian-installer images only. Do not install it on a normal Debian system.
Dec 31 17:06:57 <Reedy_Boy> that'll answer that
Dec 31 17:07:19 <janne-n> no I thing cfdisk is the right one
Dec 31 17:07:27 <janne-n> google for it
Dec 31 19:53:18 <Mike_> >	say u have a line in fstab pointing to a hdd you removed, will the device skip over it and still start up or no
Dec 31 19:57:54 <Mike_> im running debian and ok cuz i rebooted the nslu2 and top light is orange (usually orange binking green) and ethernet light shows activity but i cant ssh, does it take long to boot up?
Dec 31 20:07:02 <Reedy_Boy> Mike_, i had something similar when trying to test a drive.. it seemed to boot fine..
Dec 31 20:10:10 <Mike_> yea i cant ssh into it
Dec 31 20:10:16 <Mike_> damnit i was finished setting it up too
Dec 31 20:15:09 <Mike_> now i gotta start all over :S
Dec 31 20:24:23 <Reedy_Boy> you got a linux box?
Dec 31 20:24:26 <Reedy_Boy> mount the drive on that
Dec 31 20:24:29 <Reedy_Boy> edit fstab
Dec 31 20:24:31 <Reedy_Boy> remove line
Dec 31 20:27:30 <rjsparks> initial setup question
Dec 31 20:27:41 <rjsparks> I'm trying to get the debian install onto a new slug
Dec 31 20:28:11 <rjsparks> am getting  "No enough space" (sic) out of the built-in flashing utility
Dec 31 20:29:00 <rjsparks> should I be expecting this to work? (the 27Dec news seems to tell me I should)
Dec 31 20:29:22 <rjsparks> please redirect me if I'm asking in the wrong place
Dec 31 20:32:28 <rjsparks> ah
Dec 31 20:32:43 <rjsparks> looks like it may be a problem w/ 2.3R72
Dec 31 20:33:01 <rjsparks> looks like downgrading to R63 is not fun?
Dec 31 20:38:23 <mwester> rjsparks:  http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseTheResetButtonToEnterUpgradeMode
Dec 31 20:39:34 <mwester> Set your network settings correctly (or the Debian installer will fail), save the config, then use the reset button to enter upgrade mode, and use the Sercomm (Windows) or Upslug2 (Linux, MacOS X) utilities to reflash the device with the Debian firmware image.
Dec 31 20:40:53 <rjsparks> will it succeed if the slug acquires its network via dhcp? (I've confirmed its doing so correctly
Dec 31 20:40:54 <rjsparks> )
Dec 31 20:41:37 <rjsparks> and upslug will not run into the same issues the web-based built in upgrader did?
Dec 31 20:41:44 <mwester> Dunno.  It should, but I don't do Debian, personally.
Dec 31 20:42:00 <rjsparks> k thanks
Dec 31 20:42:09 <rjsparks> just in case I'm going down the wrong rabbit hole...
Dec 31 20:42:15 <mwester> No, the web upgrader is limited by the running OS; upgrade mode has no limitations - you can flash any valid image at all.
Dec 31 20:42:41 <rjsparks> My end use-case is to have something that can run wxview and can talk to a vantage-pro datalogger (CP2102 based)
Dec 31 20:42:52 <mwester> So, the reset-button technique is the recommended approach for anyone using any alternate firmware, as it always works :)
Dec 31 20:42:53 <rjsparks> (feeding weatherstation data to wundergrond)
Dec 31 20:43:07 <mwester> rjsparks:  I'd recommend you consider SlugOS...
Dec 31 20:44:17 <rjsparks> mwester: I'll poke at the docs there more - is there a ports tree or equivalent that has wxview set up already?
Dec 31 20:45:04 <mwester> I can't find wxview, but wview-vpro is in the feeds.
Dec 31 20:45:15 <mwester> http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/
Dec 31 20:45:50 <mwester> The package search utility will find both optware and native SlugOS packages, if you go with SlugOS/BE you can use either package style.
Dec 31 20:46:11 <rjsparks> many thanks
Dec 31 20:47:49 * mwester has only a Weather Monitor II, on his Windows box -- with data files logged from July 1995 :)
Dec 31 20:49:01 <mwester> Ok, just checked: kernel-module-cp2101, and wview-vpro both install cleanly on the latest SlugOS.  I can't test further than that, though.
Dec 31 20:53:12 <rjsparks> many many thanks
Dec 31 22:00:24 <rwhitby> morning
Dec 31 22:28:08 <rjsparks> mwester: btw - in case anybody else asks about the "no enough free space" thing - I was able to get it to play by attaching an ext3 formatted drive for extra space. (will be compiling upslug for os/x later tonight to try that path)
Dec 31 22:58:13 <nedge2k> hola
Dec 31 22:58:22 <nedge2k> anyone about for some advice?
Dec 31 22:59:05 <nedge2k> wondering whether to get an nslu2 or a nas200 and hope fw comes out for it
Dec 31 22:59:43 <mwester> There are no plans at this time for custom firmware for the nas200 from the nslu2-linux team.
Dec 31 23:00:17 <mwester> It's a completely different architecture (Intel x86), and frankly the specs are rather underwhelming.
Dec 31 23:00:45 <mwester> Which is not to say that there *won't* be alternate firmware, just that there are no active projects or plans right at this moment.
Dec 31 23:01:26 <nedge2k> hmm
Dec 31 23:01:32 <nedge2k> may as well go for the slug then :P
Dec 31 23:02:10 <nedge2k> i like the idea of the nas200, plus it would fit nicely with my adsl2mue and my wrt54gs
Dec 31 23:02:33 <nedge2k> but as you say, specs aren't great for a supposedly new device
Dec 31 23:02:51 <nedge2k> and at least the slug has a large community behind it
Dec 31 23:03:22 <mwester> There are competing units (NAS with SATA drives internal) that seem to be much faster, and are supported by opensource projects.
Dec 31 23:03:42 <nedge2k> im on a budget though ;)
Dec 31 23:04:13 <nedge2k> if i start spending to much, i may as well put together a proper server
Dec 31 23:04:34 <nedge2k> or build an mce
Dec 31 23:05:01 <mwester> Check the wiki at www.nslu2-linux.org for the support offered by this project.  I happen to know that the foonas folks (www.foonas.org) also support a number of NAS devices...
Dec 31 23:05:29 <nedge2k> oki doki
Dec 31 23:05:33 <nedge2k> thanks for your time :)
Dec 31 23:05:40 <nedge2k> happy new year all!
Dec 31 23:06:11 <mwester> Personally, for the high-performance stuff, I run a RAID-5 array on a P4 Intel server running Fedora -- but everything else runs on NSLU2's here.  :)  Happy new year to you as well.
Dec 31 23:58:56 <gouki> Happy new year everyone!!!
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