**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 16 02:59:57 2008 Jan 16 03:01:17 hey teletype Jan 16 03:01:18 good news Jan 16 03:01:22 cups fully working for me now Jan 16 03:10:56 nice Jan 16 03:11:23 my slug is working absolutely beautifully in the car =) Jan 16 03:11:41 wish i could say the same for this fw1 cluster i set up at work *sigh* Jan 16 03:15:00 did you get the gps thing working Jan 16 03:21:15 that's part of phase 2 Jan 16 03:21:39 first i just wanted to get the slug in the car and make sure it was feasible to have it running 24x7 Jan 16 03:21:48 on the stock battery and charging system Jan 16 03:21:53 teletype: That's pretty cool! :D Jan 16 03:22:03 Any pictures available? Jan 16 03:22:06 gouki: heh, everyone at work can't stop telling me what a geek i am Jan 16 03:22:31 teletype: indeed you are :) ;) Jan 16 03:22:34 gouki, as much of a huge gadget nut as i am, i don't own a digicam. i don't have kids, so all i'd have to take pics of is my cats. coworker is gonna bring his in tomorrow for me though. Jan 16 03:22:47 gouki: i've got the slug and a linksys wrt54gc mounted in my glove box =) Jan 16 03:23:09 teletype: Great! :) Make sure to drop by and give us the links. Can't wait to see that setup! Jan 16 03:23:15 GTG! 'night! Jan 16 03:23:17 openwrt on the slug, set up a hotplug script so whenever i plug in my cell phone to the USB, it starts pppd in demand dial mode Jan 16 03:23:27 when it sees packets from the wireless net it demand dials Jan 16 03:23:38 seeya Jan 16 03:23:52 and yes, my friend and i are making a web page about my setup Jan 16 03:24:09 will link it on the carputer page of the nslu wiki Jan 16 11:37:21 hello Jan 16 11:37:30 could someone give me some help please? Jan 16 11:37:43 I'm reading wiki's doc but I don't see the end :_ Jan 16 11:39:34 my slug gives me a samba error Jan 16 11:39:41 firmware? Jan 16 11:39:52 I have installed last one Jan 16 11:40:02 in web Jan 16 11:40:07 or I tried Jan 16 11:40:18 now the web interface don't allows me to make upgrade Jan 16 11:40:25 It wont Jan 16 11:40:27 Unslung 6.10 ? Jan 16 11:40:37 v2.3R63-uNSLUGng-6.10beta Jan 16 11:41:07 and I tried to run the nslu2 with the reset button Jan 16 11:41:13 Whats the error? Jan 16 11:41:21 I could get status light blinking green/red Jan 16 11:41:26 but then could not access Jan 16 11:41:39 tried to access to nslu2 via telnet, I couldn't Jan 16 11:42:03 Did you enabled telnet? Jan 16 11:42:08 *enable Jan 16 11:42:12 I tried to upgrade using upgrade utility (version 2.07) Jan 16 11:42:40 but when I try to upload the new file it says that was an error Jan 16 11:42:50 is telnet enabled by default? Jan 16 11:43:50 No, telnet isnt Jan 16 11:43:55 yuo need to enable it via the web interface Jan 16 11:44:37 web interface it says enabled Jan 16 11:44:45 and I didn't touch anything Jan 16 11:50:32 now I could enter to telnet Jan 16 11:50:35 using port 23 Jan 16 11:50:39 but disconnected me Jan 16 11:50:44 wich is default pw? Jan 16 11:51:24 uNSLUng Jan 16 12:24:20 ok Jan 16 12:24:49 opps Jan 16 12:24:59 it says me login incorrect Jan 16 12:29:26 ping Reedy_Boy Jan 16 12:38:09 Blackhold, username root? Jan 16 12:38:15 ok Jan 16 12:38:19 now I try Jan 16 12:40:41 :) Jan 16 12:40:45 yes I could! Jan 16 12:42:48 ok :) Jan 16 12:43:48 well Jan 16 12:43:52 now what I shall do Jan 16 12:44:02 'cause that is not redboot Jan 16 12:44:07 this is my nslu Jan 16 12:44:18 # prints out RedBoot's version information, and a memory map. Jan 16 12:44:22 oop Jan 16 12:44:27 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/TelnetIntoRedBoot Jan 16 12:44:36 that that says in that page don't uses me Jan 16 12:44:47 I have 2 main problems right now Jan 16 12:44:49 well 3 Jan 16 12:44:59 1. samba is giving me an error Jan 16 12:45:16 2. I cannot set time, a samba javascript error don't allows me Jan 16 12:45:27 3. as time I cannot change name of nslu Jan 16 12:45:36 now my nslu is unnamed :( Jan 16 12:46:06 I'll brb Jan 16 12:46:10 help then Jan 16 12:46:44 what? Jan 16 12:48:44 I have some linux knowledge Jan 16 12:48:56 I could edit hostname manually Jan 16 12:49:05 and set time manually Jan 16 12:49:16 and find what problem is giving samba... Jan 16 12:50:58 or I could delete samba file configuration or rename it Jan 16 12:51:16 and nlsu at booting again could configure automatically again samba Jan 16 12:52:01 Cant you set the hostname via the web interface? Jan 16 12:54:10 nope Jan 16 12:54:14 nor time Jan 16 12:54:20 are in the same form Jan 16 12:54:25 ? Jan 16 12:54:28 not in the same form Jan 16 12:54:31 in the same page Jan 16 12:54:36 but cannot define it Jan 16 12:54:46 always I had the problem that could not edit time Jan 16 12:55:02 and files saved in disk haven't real date/time Jan 16 12:55:25 now I see my NSLU as a cool linux Jan 16 12:56:32 shows me the error: Fail to get samba information. Jan 16 12:56:55 but if I plug a usb hd error also appers Jan 16 12:57:06 and I could access to disk Jan 16 13:02:06 has it always been like this? Jan 16 13:02:20 I'm working here about 2 years Jan 16 13:02:26 when I came here it nlsu Jan 16 13:02:33 already was here Jan 16 13:02:41 with their name changed Jan 16 13:02:46 but wrong date/time Jan 16 13:02:58 I tried to change it when it was with his default fw Jan 16 13:03:10 but always don't obey me Jan 16 13:03:13 last day Jan 16 13:03:26 this nslu didn't get link Jan 16 13:03:39 and I must made a reset Jan 16 13:04:02 and I wanted to update fw Jan 16 13:04:25 I updated it from NSLU website administration Jan 16 13:04:35 and putted the last version of NSLUg Jan 16 13:04:43 uNSLUng Jan 16 13:04:52 or how is called :P Jan 16 13:05:08 and tried to change name, and date/time Jan 16 13:05:19 but all the time when I access to administration menu Jan 16 13:05:23 appears the samba error Jan 16 13:05:27 but in each page Jan 16 13:06:06 now I tried to format a usb stick to ext3 but also gives the same problem :_ Jan 16 13:06:25 Sounds like you've got some corrupted config files and such Jan 16 13:06:40 for example, if I go to administration > system, appears the message and all fields appear in blank Jan 16 13:07:08 Reedy_Boy: could you paste me into rafb.net/paste for example a working nslu samba file? Jan 16 13:07:29 I'm gonna configure nslu using old style, using terminal :P Jan 16 13:10:19 Blackhold, http://rafb.net/p/jcAT0l63.html Jan 16 13:10:27 ok Jan 16 13:10:29 you may need to stop samba before you change the config Jan 16 13:10:29 thnks Jan 16 13:10:37 yes Jan 16 13:10:38 I know Jan 16 13:16:09 it seems to be ok Jan 16 13:16:12 well Jan 16 13:16:21 in a few minutes I try to see again Jan 16 13:16:24 see you now Jan 16 13:16:28 and thanks you much :D Jan 16 13:17:13 no problem :) Jan 16 13:31:30 I need some help! Followed instructions SetUpAScannerServerWithSANE and as I found out due to installation xinetd I cannot telnet into my slug anymore Jan 16 13:32:22 firmware? Jan 16 13:32:45 I think 6.8 Jan 16 13:32:50 unslung? Jan 16 13:33:00 presumably? Jan 16 13:33:01 yep, running slimserver Jan 16 13:33:20 did you not setup SSH first? Jan 16 13:33:25 nope Jan 16 13:33:31 reflash\ Jan 16 13:33:51 using the redboot procedure? Jan 16 13:33:56 probably the simplest Jan 16 13:34:12 And ipkg install openssh next time ;) Jan 16 13:34:24 Use the reset-button procedure rather than telnet to redboot -- generally faster. Jan 16 13:35:00 I found this tread http://www.nslu2-info.de/showthread.php?t=3410 which suggest I can fix it without flashing Jan 16 13:35:43 although I can telnet into the slug, after reconnecting the HDD, its read-only so I cannot make the changes to xinetd.conf Jan 16 13:36:52 do I miss something here? Jan 16 13:37:31 JeePee: Yes, one can recover from this problem, but experience with many users who have lost telnet access due to xinetd install problems has shown that it is a lengthy process that often requires much effort. Jan 16 13:38:05 JeePee: This is the *EXACT* reason why the "enable telnet" screen insists that you install openssh, and why that information is repeated in the README. Jan 16 13:38:52 JeePee: Frankly, it is much easier to just reflash, and this time do as the README and the telnet page and the wiki all strongly insist and install openssh! Jan 16 13:40:09 ok, I guess I had to learn the hard way. As I used my slug only to supply my squeezebox with music from the slimserver and no outside access is allowed, I did not bother to install openssh. Jan 16 13:40:41 So openssh will not be affected with the installation of xinetd? Jan 16 14:15:53 Presumably its been discussed before.. But think it may be worth having the unslung script offer to install openssh? Jan 16 14:22:00 Reedy_Boy: Can't do it; it isn't unslung yet so you can't install packages. (Yes, any number of ways to automagically force the install of openssh have been considered, but in the end it all ends up being similar to removing all the knives from a kitchen in order to reduce the number of injuries: effective, but it also angers the careful cooks. Jan 16 14:22:08 ) Jan 16 14:22:20 :) Jan 16 14:22:27 Presumed it had been Jan 16 14:22:47 I suppose its like if you use eraseall - dont come crying to us if you get hurt Jan 16 14:23:45 Yep, I think so. Jan 16 14:27:20 mwester, quick question. Do you know how to get cups to automatically "start" the printer? Jan 16 14:27:53 rather than having to go in via the web interface Jan 16 14:28:38 presumably its just finding the option Jan 16 15:17:07 question: I have flashed to new firmware (6.10) and want to unsling. Reformatting the HDD failed. Any suggestions? Jan 16 15:17:39 are you on windows or linux? Jan 16 15:17:42 (on your pc) Jan 16 15:18:18 mac Jan 16 15:18:32 but I flashed (successfully with Ubuntu Jan 16 15:18:51 try plugging it into your pc Jan 16 15:18:58 remove all the current partitions on the drive Jan 16 15:19:38 is this a known problem? Jan 16 15:20:18 yeah, people get it from time to time... Jan 16 15:20:28 the GUI indicates it is formatting and when 'finished' it displays Formatted (EXT3) Jan 16 15:21:14 ya Jan 16 15:22:58 But GUI disk log indicates failed format. Anyway, I will erase the partitions on a Win PC and try again Jan 16 15:30:32 JeePee: Yes, this is a known issue. The Linksys firmware refuses to reformat a disk that shows signs of having been previously formatted by an NSLU2. This may be a bug, or it may be a feature - nobody knows for certain. Jan 16 15:31:42 :( Removed the partitions and tried again, now seems to format but finishes with NOT FORMATTED Jan 16 15:32:28 Did I miss something? Jan 16 15:32:45 Did you remove the partions *and* format the device? (if you didn't format, it retains the signature of the ext3 filesystem, even though the partitions are no longer there). Jan 16 15:32:56 Try making it FAT32 or something Jan 16 15:33:35 mwester, fixed the issue with it not starting automatically - commented out the line that was referring the rastertospl2 and it works :) Jan 16 15:33:38 (What type of disk is it? how large?) Jan 16 15:35:14 120MB portable HDD. It is the same disk I used before for my slug Jan 16 15:35:44 NTFS also ok? Jan 16 15:35:54 I'll format it to ext3 anyway Jan 16 15:36:08 anything that isnt ext3 Jan 16 15:36:22 120GB you mean? ;) Jan 16 15:37:06 yep, ur right :) Jan 16 15:37:50 * mwester has unslung to a 128MB memory stick, but you can't format it with the Linksys utility! Jan 16 15:38:23 heh Jan 16 15:38:44 they seem to have implemented some strange limitations... or rather, not fixed them, whichever it is Jan 16 15:40:20 IMO, it's the classic outsourcing thing -- the implementing company wrote the firmware to Linksys' specs, and since they only cared to meet those specs they hardcoded everything (instead of anticipating spec changes over time, and using a table-driven approach). JMO, though. Jan 16 15:40:47 would seem a fair evaluation Jan 16 15:43:50 * chrisb thinks that there's a lot of incentive to keep the on board memory small on one hand, and to cram as much functionality into the small memory as possible with these embedded products Jan 16 15:49:41 Well you can see how much more the kurobox costs :) Jan 16 15:50:18 and that's no software at all afaik Jan 16 15:50:36 They are barely much more than an NSLU2 looking at the prices :/ Jan 16 15:50:52 I try to run mc, but get this : mc: error while loading shared libraries: libcom_err.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Jan 16 15:51:02 what could be the culprit ? Jan 16 15:51:16 The lib doesnt exist... Jan 16 15:51:18 did it work before? Jan 16 15:51:43 It has worked, I'll search for libcom ... just a moment Jan 16 15:52:07 formatted NTFS, even put files on it but still if I connect it to the slug and try to format it, it finishes with NOT FORMATTED.... Jan 16 15:52:20 Have you tried it a few times JeePee ? Jan 16 15:52:37 ShadowJK, the Thecus N2100 looks interesting, faster CPU, dual LAN, and replacable memory.. Jan 16 15:52:40 yes Jan 16 15:53:08 I can read/write on my XP machine Jan 16 15:53:45 i mean, tried pressing format a few times Jan 16 15:53:58 I'll try Jan 16 15:56:51 http://rafb.net/p/yUuuvG44.html Jan 16 15:57:06 is what I have installed. Am I missing anything ? Jan 16 15:57:29 Reedy_Boy, ? Jan 16 15:57:55 Yes, you're missing libcom_err.so.2 (just like the message said)! Jan 16 15:58:10 heh :) Jan 16 15:58:16 I'm betting that your mc is too old, or perhaps was installed from the wrong feed? Jan 16 15:58:17 mwester, ok, what package is it from ? Jan 16 15:58:51 mwester, ok, I installed it with ipkg Jan 16 15:59:39 mwester, which one can I try to install ? Jan 16 16:00:25 I'm using DS101J Jan 16 16:00:56 other thing that I notice is that when I unplug the HDD it does not recognize it on the HOME page of the slug. It still says 'not formatted' for USB port 2 Jan 16 16:01:24 Sometimes just takes a little while to catch uo Jan 16 16:01:25 erikja: I don't know; I don't use the DS101J or its feeds. You might check on #nslu2-general Jan 16 16:01:25 up Jan 16 16:01:35 mwester, he's in here ;) Jan 16 16:01:37 mwester, many thanks Jan 16 16:01:50 JeePee: hotplug of HDD is not supported; it's known to be unreliable. Jan 16 16:02:47 so what do I do now. Do I need to reboot the slug and try plugging in the reformatted NTFS HDD? Jan 16 16:02:57 would that make a difference? Jan 16 16:03:05 It might Jan 16 16:04:40 mwester, I'm ON #nslu2-general Jan 16 16:04:56 #nslu2-linux i suspect... Jan 16 16:05:19 Reedy_Boy, it's for developers I think ? Jan 16 16:05:46 its developers, and the other devices, package feeds and that sort of thing Jan 16 16:06:03 and I'm not a developer Jan 16 16:06:37 lol, you wont get into trouble Jan 16 16:08:01 erikja, its where the package maintainers and stuff are Jan 16 16:08:45 erikja: Er, sorry - yes, I meant #nslu2-linux. :( Jan 16 16:09:12 * chrisb goes to look up kurobox Jan 16 16:09:33 mwester, ok np. I'm there now Jan 16 16:09:40 chrisb, looks to be rare... Jan 16 16:11:07 Reedy_Boy: as in rare, medium, well-done? :) Jan 16 16:11:14 lol Jan 16 16:11:20 rare as in hard to get hold of ;) Jan 16 16:13:40 i think buffalo developed a boot loader for some Moto development boards, hc11, hc12, 68000 embedded Jan 16 16:14:26 melco is part of mitsubishi electric Jan 16 16:14:41 JeePee: any success? Jan 16 16:15:06 mwester - Reedy_Boy: rebooting the slug did the trick: formatting completed EXT3 - Thank you! Jan 16 16:15:24 :) Jan 16 16:15:39 * Reedy_Boy notes that JeePee's NSLU2 is acting like a windows box xD Jan 16 16:20:52 * chrisb wonders if the kurobox lanport has PXE Jan 16 16:37:36 erikja: ds101 feed is currently not up-to-date, to work around the prblem, you need e2fsprogs Jan 16 16:38:51 eno, thanks for the information. Can I install that with ipkg, and where can I read about how to ? Jan 16 16:39:35 just "ipkg install e2fsprogs" Jan 16 16:40:01 eno, ok, I'll try that. Then what after the install ? Jan 16 16:40:25 e2fsprogs contains the missing libcom_err.so Jan 16 16:40:36 you're all set to use mc after installation Jan 16 16:40:51 eno: is that the older (.2) version of the libcom_err.so? Jan 16 16:40:55 eno, many thanks will try it out Jan 16 16:41:46 I have the installed here : http://rafb.net/p/yUuuvG44.html Jan 16 16:42:22 not very sure, but libcom_err.so in e2fsprogs should match the one mc needs Jan 16 16:42:50 eno, the ipkg install gave this: Package e2fsprogs (1.40.2-1) installed in /opt/ is up to date. Jan 16 16:43:45 then it is installed Jan 16 16:44:45 hmm, looks like these libcom_err.so are not from optware, they're installed under /lib Jan 16 16:45:46 I think they are from : Jan 16 16:45:59 http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/optware/ds101/cross/stable Jan 16 16:46:57 No it doesn't contain libcom_err.so Jan 16 16:47:14 e2fsprogs2-1.40.3 contains /opt/lib/libcom_err.so.2.1 Jan 16 16:47:41 just a moment Jan 16 16:48:05 i start to think the main problem is ds101 feed not up-to-date Jan 16 16:49:21 ka6sox is adding disk to autobuilder, as soon as additional disk is available, we'll re-enable ds101 build Jan 16 16:49:33 I bet you are right, cause the paste I did was for the whole / Jan 16 16:50:28 that indeed sounds nice :-) Jan 16 16:51:44 sorry for the huge pasting, but my e2fsprogs doesnt contain libcom: Jan 16 16:51:45 find / -name libcom* Jan 16 16:51:45 /lib/libcom_err.so.3.0 Jan 16 16:51:45 /lib/libcom_err.so.3 Jan 16 16:51:45 /lib/libcom_err.so Jan 16 16:52:50 e2fsprogs in ds101 feed is still at 1.40.2 Jan 16 16:52:52 eno, will there be an anouncement when the feed is up to date ? Jan 16 16:53:03 i'll make the announcement Jan 16 16:53:04 eno, oh I see Jan 16 16:53:16 eno, where will you place it ? Jan 16 16:53:41 at the mean time, the quick fix is to build e2fsprogs 1.40.3 Jan 16 16:54:01 should be at the same location Jan 16 16:54:04 where can i read about doing that ? Jan 16 16:54:26 i'll see if i can do a local build and make e2fsprogs 1.40.3 available somewhere Jan 16 16:54:42 eno, oh that would be nice Jan 16 16:55:08 do you announce it on a mailinglist ? Jan 16 16:58:42 http://www.mediamax.com/bzhou/Hosted/optware/ds101/e2fsprogs_1.40.3-1_armeb.ipk Jan 16 16:59:04 eno, many thanks for the great help Jan 16 16:59:31 this is just an unofficial build, I won't announce it on ML Jan 16 17:00:09 I will announce when the feed is added to autobuilder Jan 16 17:00:11 fine, it has been dowloaded now Jan 16 17:01:04 for development, see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware Jan 16 17:01:07 will you announce it on nslu2-general yahoo group ? Jan 16 17:01:16 sure Jan 16 17:01:43 eno, thanks, and I have opened the development url :-) Jan 16 17:02:02 have to leave for now, thanks again and will bbl Jan 16 17:11:09 eno, mc: relocation error: /opt/lib/libnss_files.so.2: symbol _nss_files_parse_pwent, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference Jan 16 17:15:29 erikja: no idea about ds101j at all, is its libc compatible with ds101 ? Jan 16 17:18:25 eno, I don't know it Jan 16 17:18:52 well I'll wait until the feed is up to date :-) Jan 16 17:25:08 * chrisb interested in dietlibc Jan 16 21:31:29 hey guys Jan 16 21:35:12 yo Jan 16 21:36:20 having few probs with access permisions. having to run as root, tried adding diff user but having no luck Jan 16 21:38:16 dave:N4cxGGlCDRAbQ.:2000:501:::/dev/null is line i added to password, but cant log in....? Jan 16 21:38:20 xp this is Jan 16 21:42:21 dave Jan 16 21:42:23 daveyboy_, probably can't log in because there is no login shell Jan 16 21:42:25 you need a shell ideally Jan 16 21:42:26 yeah Jan 16 21:42:33 /bin/sh should do it IIRC Jan 16 21:42:44 daveyboy_, man usermod Jan 16 21:46:00 dave:N4cxGGlCDRAbQ.:2000:501:::/bin/shell Jan 16 21:46:06 yea? Jan 16 21:47:41 no Jan 16 21:48:02 /bin/sh Jan 16 21:48:15 k Jan 16 21:48:48 needs to be a valid shell :) Jan 16 21:48:52 of if you have bash Jan 16 21:48:54 /bin/bash Jan 16 21:50:11 will i need to restart slug to take affect? Jan 16 21:51:20 dunno.. doubt it Jan 16 21:51:26 daveyboy_, /dev/null is literally nothing Jan 16 21:51:34 you can put stuff into it and it just disappears Jan 16 21:51:40 bottomless pit Jan 16 21:52:46 daveyboy_, no restart needed Jan 16 21:52:55 right ok. that is sounding like the problem im having. files get downloaded but access is denied...and file size seems to suggest its not ther Jan 16 21:54:15 should i be able to log into ssh now with that line added? Jan 16 21:54:38 in theory, yes Jan 16 21:54:55 humnm somethings wrong Jan 16 21:55:21 your groups look a little quirky Jan 16 21:55:25 i noticed i have 2 password files... one called "passwrd-" might edit that and see Jan 16 21:56:01 can this be set up via the web gui? or editing the passwrd file? Jan 16 21:56:02 /etc/passwd Jan 16 21:56:03 should be it Jan 16 21:57:02 i would avoid editing it by hand Jan 16 21:57:08 just use usermod Jan 16 21:57:42 presumably its in some unslung package? Jan 16 21:57:59 yrea unslung, so usermod not recognised Jan 16 21:58:42 oh, nevermind me then. it's in the debian base install (but so are a lot of things) Jan 16 21:58:50 no probs Jan 16 22:00:31 adduser 1.9.0-1 a multi-call binary for login and user account administration Jan 16 22:00:36 daveyboy_, ipkg install adduser Jan 16 22:00:44 remove that line you manually added Jan 16 22:00:51 cool will try Jan 16 22:10:51 right added user now, whats best way of settign permisions for this user to be available for everyone? Jan 16 22:11:03 If you are using unslung, you must add users via the Linksys GUI, then modify the user entry with the text editor of choice. If you add them manually, you'll probably find they will disappear as some point of Linksys' firmware's choosing. Jan 16 22:11:23 s/as some point/at some point/ Jan 16 22:14:37 david:3bBxAym1Qgqkk:1000:1000:Linux User,,,:-s:/bin/sh Jan 16 22:37:52 mysql have been bought by sun... - if people didnt know Jan 17 00:08:00 oh really reedy? interesting Jan 17 00:08:11 yaa Jan 17 00:08:23 teletype, http://blogs.mysql.com/kaj/2008/01/16/sun-acquires-mysql/ Jan 17 00:08:29 thanks Jan 17 00:08:43 i heard google are also going to be releasing a lot of their changes into the main mysql codebase Jan 17 00:08:51 particularly interesting is replication updates Jan 17 00:08:53 cool Jan 17 00:09:25 got pics of slugcar phase one now. http://www.bistromath.org/geekcar/ Jan 17 00:10:10 oracle bought "BEA" Jan 17 00:10:35 whats the phone teletype ? Jan 17 00:10:44 not a phone Jan 17 00:10:45 oh Jan 17 00:10:47 the one in the glove box? Jan 17 00:10:50 ya Jan 17 00:10:51 moto q Jan 17 00:10:55 verizon ev-do Jan 17 00:11:08 looks like the crackberry full qwerty things Jan 17 00:11:12 wrote a hotplug script to automagically start pppd in demand dial mode when i plug the phone in Jan 17 00:11:18 yeah it's like a crackberry but is win mo Jan 17 00:11:31 works a treat though Jan 17 00:11:44 quattro = audi.. Jan 17 00:11:47 A6 quattro? Jan 17 00:12:02 i can just do internet stuff on the ipod touch (jailbroken of course) and it just acts like an iphone.. transparently connects to the net, dials my ppp in like 5 sec Jan 17 00:12:06 it's an a4 Jan 17 00:12:09 nearly Jan 17 00:12:12 nice Jan 17 00:12:16 yeah i like it Jan 17 00:12:32 you can see google up in one of the pics hehe Jan 17 00:12:36 goddam only being 18 Jan 17 00:12:47 hehe Jan 17 00:12:58 im being serious.. my car decided to go for a slide on monday :( Jan 17 00:13:00 yeah when i was 18 i had a 1990 isuzu pickup Jan 17 00:13:07 :o an american driving a proper manual car :P Jan 17 00:13:16 i love how you say "decided to" as if you had nothing to do w/ it ;) Jan 17 00:13:19 yeah i won't buy an automatic Jan 17 00:13:36 teletype, i was going fairly slow - shown by the damage that was recieved Jan 17 00:13:41 i was quite pleased when i went to the UK to see that over there "standard" really is the standard Jan 17 00:13:49 still reedy it doesn't decide to do it ;) Jan 17 00:13:56 i haven't gone into a slide since i was about 18 or 19 Jan 17 00:14:01 if i had been going much faster, it would've been write off Jan 17 00:14:07 well.. not counting intentional ones Jan 17 00:14:10 hah Jan 17 00:14:10 yeah Jan 17 00:14:11 It did decide... Jan 17 00:14:12 well Jan 17 00:14:13 was it icy? Jan 17 00:14:15 the road was muddy Jan 17 00:14:17 ah ok Jan 17 00:14:19 Nope, wasnt cold enough Jan 17 00:14:26 yep, mud didn't freeze Jan 17 00:14:27 i reckon is was the mud/maybe some oil Jan 17 00:14:33 you gotta learn the limits of your car's grip is all Jan 17 00:14:34 long bend coming off a dual carriage way Jan 17 00:14:41 yeah, but i wasnt even going fast.. Jan 17 00:14:43 hehe.. i love muddy roads in the quattro tho, fun fun Jan 17 00:14:45 the back end just decided to go for a slid Jan 17 00:14:48 it's not about speed Jan 17 00:14:48 span round Jan 17 00:15:02 well not entirely Jan 17 00:15:11 smashed passenger side front light... dented/scraped passenger back end Jan 17 00:15:17 on the railings on the driver side.. Jan 17 00:15:22 im still not quite sure what happened Jan 17 00:15:26 not trying to sound like an old fuddy duddy but with experience you will avoid such things Jan 17 00:15:34 yeah Jan 17 00:15:36 and then you can be a nutter on slippery roads =) Jan 17 00:15:39 heh Jan 17 00:15:46 small light cars dont help.. Jan 17 00:15:49 yeah Jan 17 00:15:51 you in the UK? Jan 17 00:15:56 yup Jan 17 00:16:00 yep. lots of small cars Jan 17 00:16:03 I mean, i've been "driving" for 2 years in feb Jan 17 00:16:12 16 years in april for me Jan 17 00:16:15 heh Jan 17 00:16:27 "driving" being with adult etc etc Jan 17 00:16:39 next phase of the project is the slug needs to talk to the tomtom Jan 17 00:16:45 16 months by myself in feb too.. Jan 17 00:16:45 i figure using IP over usb Jan 17 00:16:59 i am pretty sure i can use usb-net to do that Jan 17 00:17:26 heh Jan 17 00:17:32 the touch does look like an iphone Jan 17 00:17:34 then the next step after that is getting the nslu2 plugged into the car's odbII port Jan 17 00:17:37 i know they look the same Jan 17 00:17:38 etc Jan 17 00:17:40 yeah well my touch is jailbroken Jan 17 00:17:43 they look similar Jan 17 00:17:51 the iphone doesn't have that damn mirror shiny back on it tho Jan 17 00:17:58 frickin thing scratches if you look at it too hard Jan 17 00:18:02 hah Jan 17 00:18:20 i did not want an iphone because they're only on at&t Jan 17 00:18:26 and hence crap bandwidth Jan 17 00:18:33 EDGE sucks Jan 17 00:18:51 gsm bandwidth ftl Jan 17 00:18:53 lol Jan 17 00:19:25 anyway then when i get it connected to the obd port i will log stuff like performance and fuel economy to mysql Jan 17 00:19:27 on the slug Jan 17 00:19:48 lol Jan 17 00:19:53 mysql is quite heavyweight.. Jan 17 00:19:58 not really Jan 17 00:20:19 i could use rrdtool i guess if it becomes a problem Jan 17 00:20:24 sql is just so flexible though Jan 17 00:20:27 could use sqlite i guess Jan 17 00:20:30 SQLlite or whatever is more reccommend Jan 17 00:20:31 yeah Jan 17 00:20:40 i would rather just tune mysql for the small device Jan 17 00:20:53 i mean hell i ran mysql on a 133Mhz compaq laptop with 16 meg am Jan 17 00:20:55 ram Jan 17 00:21:30 heh Jan 17 00:21:35 suppose thats an option Jan 17 00:21:40 which i should really do for myself too.. Jan 17 00:21:54 you putting one in a car too? Jan 17 00:21:57 nah Jan 17 00:22:02 when i get rid of my server 2003 box Jan 17 00:22:06 ah Jan 17 00:22:12 i really love how the ipod dock came out Jan 17 00:22:13 be useful not to have to use dreamhosts hosted MySQL Jan 17 00:22:17 car looks crazy inside at night Jan 17 00:22:32 ah bistromath.org is on a vhost provider Jan 17 00:22:48 i get unlimited bandwidth and like 10 gig disk and a virtual debian box for 15 bucks a month Jan 17 00:22:59 nice Jan 17 00:24:33 i have the 2 NSLU2's.. got a 500gb usb hard drive coming and a pinnacle soundbridge.. so that needs hooking up Jan 17 00:24:43 i want another nslu2 Jan 17 00:24:47 can't think of what i would do w/ it though Jan 17 00:24:51 lol Jan 17 00:25:02 probably better have one nslu2 ie the current debian on cups, twonkymedia/whatever and file serving.. Jan 17 00:25:08 use the other for http/mysql and such.. Jan 17 00:25:18 yeah, i've just got a proper debian box at home tho Jan 17 00:25:25 4 gig ram 1.5 terabyte raid-5 storage Jan 17 00:25:30 dual 3.8 xeon Jan 17 00:25:35 don't really need a slug there ;) Jan 17 00:26:10 lol Jan 17 00:26:13 thing is amazing for low power applications though Jan 17 00:26:18 yeah Jan 17 00:26:21 draws like 1.8A on the mains side but on the DC side it's only like .5 A Jan 17 00:26:33 i have had it booted in my since saturday, stock battery and alternator, no problems at all Jan 17 00:26:34 im getting rid of my 2k3 server, its noisy.. i dont need actualyl need it.. Jan 17 00:26:53 i have 4 more machines of similar spec to the debian box sitting here doing nothing heh Jan 17 00:27:14 lol Jan 17 00:27:21 my predecessor liked to build his own servers. i do not do that at work Jan 17 00:27:24 too much to go wrong Jan 17 00:27:34 so we went to all dells.. and i inherited the old servers Jan 17 00:27:39 ahh Jan 17 00:27:55 the prebuilt/big manufacturer stuff is well priced in most cases.. Jan 17 00:28:00 yeah Jan 17 00:28:04 we get amazing deals from dell Jan 17 00:28:13 especially when they have the buy 2 get one deals at end of quarter Jan 17 00:29:39 heh Jan 17 00:29:54 i am going to make a google maps mashup sort of thing Jan 17 00:30:09 password protected so people can't stalk me, but, friends/family will be able to look and see where i am in real time heh Jan 17 00:30:14 heh Jan 17 00:30:15 silly Jan 17 00:30:28 I have to sleep with the server box on.. its not overly loud.. just annoying Jan 17 00:30:31 slug will just upload gps coords to my server every 30 sec or so Jan 17 00:32:03 heh Jan 17 00:32:10 would it really need to be that often though? Jan 17 00:38:01 probably not Jan 17 00:38:24 it would only do it when it is already online anyway Jan 17 00:42:47 hello all, is anyone running the ax.25 protocol on their slug? Jan 17 00:43:12 x25 is still around? ;) Jan 17 00:44:53 not really, but ax.25 is Jan 17 00:45:00 barely Jan 17 00:45:05 that's the packet radio one? Jan 17 00:46:13 yes sir Jan 17 00:46:26 ah ok that makes sense then Jan 17 00:46:53 "packet radio" Jan 17 00:48:03 i guess i'm doing packet radio, but not ax.25 Jan 17 00:48:21 but that's a totally different thing, heh Jan 17 00:48:48 what kind of packet radio is that? Jan 17 00:49:43 I've so gotten used to the bloated kernels with modern distros (ubuntu) which includes the ax25 mkiss modules Jan 17 00:50:01 depending on the os your using on it Jan 17 00:50:05 you should be able to easily isntall them Jan 17 00:50:16 well mine's only technically packet radio. =) Jan 17 00:50:27 it's EV-DO Jan 17 00:50:44 ah, CDMA I believe Jan 17 00:50:52 yeah no ax.25 under there Jan 17 00:50:54 yep Jan 17 00:51:01 I'm running some kind of Debian Jan 17 00:51:03 yeah HSDPA or W-CDMA Jan 17 00:51:13 should be easy enough then? Jan 17 00:51:20 daniel_bergamini, is it listed as a debian package? Jan 17 00:51:25 yeah but there is no mkiss.ko module anywhere Jan 17 00:51:26 apt-get install somepackage Jan 17 00:51:31 I got the ax.25 stuff Jan 17 00:51:48 kernel module and user space utils both? Jan 17 00:51:56 but I can't find a module that contains some of the required modules Jan 17 00:51:58 debian-arm@lists.debian.org - may be worth emailing Jan 17 00:53:22 they will probably be able to point you in the right direction... Jan 17 00:53:34 yeah I might just do that... also found reference to a debian-arm irc channel on some obscure server Jan 17 00:53:44 irc.debian.org ? Jan 17 00:53:50 but it isnt very active IIRC Jan 17 00:53:54 teletype, im outta here, its 1am... ive stayed up too late again :/ Jan 17 00:54:11 hehe Jan 17 00:54:13 i do every night Jan 17 00:54:13 seeya Jan 17 00:54:18 yeah, i have been Jan 17 00:54:27 and its not going to be good when i need to be up for uni... Jan 17 00:54:56 daniel, have you seen this? http://tldp.org/HOWTO/AX25-HOWTO/x144.html Jan 17 00:55:09 yeh man i need to be up for work but i am an insomniac big time Jan 17 00:55:16 i sleep from 3am-7:30am usually Jan 17 00:55:23 havent got up to 6 hours in a year or so Jan 17 00:55:35 jees Jan 17 00:55:43 i go to bed then have real trouble getting up Jan 17 00:56:52 yeah I have seen that Jan 17 00:57:09 later! Jan 17 00:57:12 thanks though... the problem is the mkiss.ko kernel module is not included and I can't seem to find a package that includes it Jan 17 00:57:26 do you have a crosscompiler toolchain set up? Jan 17 00:57:28 daniel_bergamini, drop an email on that list, someone should know Jan 17 00:57:45 teletype: I do not, it's on the list of things to do Jan 17 00:57:55 I have one big question about module compiling though Jan 17 00:57:57 well you'll probably have to i think Jan 17 00:58:00 ok, shoot Jan 17 00:58:09 (or complile it on the slug itself) Jan 17 00:58:15 could do that Jan 17 00:58:19 i would go for the cross compiler tho Jan 17 00:58:29 on the slug will take quite some time Jan 17 00:58:48 * Reedy_Boy has build .NET v2 C# pong on a slug before :) Jan 17 00:58:51 built Jan 17 00:58:58 yeah Jan 17 00:59:05 kernel is a bit bigger than pong Jan 17 00:59:09 ;) Jan 17 00:59:11 what'd you use, mono? Jan 17 00:59:19 yeah Jan 17 00:59:21 cool Jan 17 00:59:23 anyway Jan 17 00:59:25 for that i did Jan 17 00:59:31 you had a question about compiling modules? Jan 17 00:59:36 daniel Jan 17 01:00:04 reedy, 1am, bed Jan 17 01:00:12 yes Jan 17 01:00:16 lol Jan 17 01:00:16 jeez i feel bad for my poor boss heh. he arrived from UK monday and is going back thursday Jan 17 01:00:19 jet lag city Jan 17 01:00:22 heh Jan 17 01:00:27 did he like the car wireless? Jan 17 01:00:36 he laughed his rear end off Jan 17 01:00:42 :D Jan 17 01:01:01 he thinks i'm a bigger geek than this other guy in our group Jan 17 01:01:04 but that is so not true Jan 17 01:01:06 hqah Jan 17 01:01:09 that guy writes compilers Jan 17 01:01:12 not for work Jan 17 01:01:17 he writes them to entertain himself heh Jan 17 01:01:23 sorry Jan 17 01:01:24 entertain himself? :S Jan 17 01:01:29 he has a doctorate from cambridge Jan 17 01:01:31 dogs neede let in Jan 17 01:01:35 he was actually a classmate of bjarne stroustroup heh Jan 17 01:01:38 i could understand writing in a freetime for a project Jan 17 01:01:47 he thinks it's fun Jan 17 01:02:02 hopefully im not like that after my CSD degree... Jan 17 01:02:03 anyway, does the currently compiled kernel need to be "prepared" for the module I want to load? Jan 17 01:02:25 or can I just take that kernel source, compile up that specific module, copy it into place and be good to go? Jan 17 01:02:26 as long as you have module support you should be fine Jan 17 01:02:35 make sure your cross compiled kernel has the exact same version string though Jan 17 01:02:48 ie same version and if they modify the version string at all you will need to modify yours Jan 17 01:02:59 right i shall go.. before i spend another hour up.. Jan 17 01:03:01 best thing probably is to get the debian source package Jan 17 01:03:45 anyway a make menuconfig should prep the source tree Jan 17 01:03:47 when you exit Jan 17 01:03:47 yeah I think I'm currently off by a subversion Jan 17 01:04:03 ok, well, use the APT source you use on the slug Jan 17 01:04:06 and grab the kernel source package Jan 17 01:05:36 is there a copy of the .config that was used to generate the included binary kernels? Jan 17 01:05:58 check in /boot Jan 17 01:06:25 teletype: thank you for your help Jan 17 01:06:31 is it there? Jan 17 01:07:13 yes, correct again Jan 17 01:07:28 config-2.6.18-5-ixp4xx Jan 17 01:07:34 cool Jan 17 01:07:40 there you go Jan 17 01:07:46 put that as .config and run make memnuconfig Jan 17 01:07:49 menuconfig Jan 17 01:07:54 or oldconfig or whatever Jan 17 01:08:01 # CONFIG_HAMRADIO is not set Jan 17 01:08:01 so it will init the build system Jan 17 01:08:06 yep change the stuff you need Jan 17 01:08:08 of course Jan 17 01:08:11 then you can make modules Jan 17 01:08:23 you can look at make-kpkg if you want too, to make a package from it Jan 17 01:08:30 i've never tried make-kpkg with a cross compiler tho Jan 17 01:08:43 but... since the kernel was made without it set will it load the module? Jan 17 01:08:54 sure that's the point Jan 17 01:09:08 CONFIG_MODULES is set right? Jan 17 01:09:09 that is so cool Jan 17 01:09:36 CONFIG_MODULES=y Jan 17 01:10:03 then yer golden Jan 17 01:10:23 so get the chain thingy on this machine Jan 17 01:10:28 what does uname -r say on the slug? Jan 17 01:10:28 get the arm kernel Jan 17 01:10:35 there is no arm kernel Jan 17 01:10:38 it's all one source tree Jan 17 01:10:43 2.6.18-5-ixp4xx Jan 17 01:11:39 so I have the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 folder Jan 17 01:11:41 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile#debian Jan 17 01:11:55 but... version.Debian contains "2.6.18-7" Jan 17 01:11:58 ok Jan 17 01:12:06 version.Debian is wehre? Jan 17 01:12:08 where Jan 17 01:12:21 in that kernel-source folder Jan 17 01:12:28 yeah don't worry about that Jan 17 01:12:43 look in the config you copied from your slug Jan 17 01:12:57 what is CONFIG_LOCALVERSION set to? Jan 17 01:13:38 CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="" Jan 17 01:13:38 # CONFIG_LOCALVERSION_AUTO is not set Jan 17 01:13:46 weird Jan 17 01:14:29 zarquon:/usr/src/linux# uname -r Jan 17 01:14:31 2.6.22.6-zarquon Jan 17 01:14:45 zarquon:/usr/src/linux# grep zarq .config Jan 17 01:14:46 CONFIG_LOCALVERSION="zarquon" Jan 17 01:14:47 strange.. Jan 17 01:15:19 indeed Jan 17 01:15:29 on your slug Jan 17 01:15:38 what is the apt source in /etc/http/sources.list ? Jan 17 01:15:43 well I ran the kernel compile on the slug yesterday for 8 hours and kicked it back off a little while ago Jan 17 01:15:45 is there a deb-src one or just regular deb? Jan 17 01:15:53 hopefully it will get to the modules I need eventually Jan 17 01:15:57 yeah it will take like 8 mins on a desktop .. a decent one anyway Jan 17 01:16:08 it takes me around half an hour to rebuild my entire slug Jan 17 01:16:15 and even the cross compiler toolchain Jan 17 01:16:17 It's all done via cross-compilation for the official images. Jan 17 01:16:21 and all the packages on the slug Jan 17 01:16:44 /etc/http/sources.list (not /etc/apt? Jan 17 01:16:47 exactly Jan 17 01:16:57 hang on it'll be better to just ask google Jan 17 01:17:05 what debian version have you got on there? Jan 17 01:17:21 I do have 2 deb-src lines Jan 17 01:17:43 ok great Jan 17 01:18:07 etch Jan 17 01:18:25 I *think* this is the DebianSlug but I have no idea Jan 17 01:18:26 can you apt-cache search linux-source Jan 17 01:18:47 I used to run opendebianslug but i think I made the switch a year or so ago Jan 17 01:18:48 you should have a linux-source-2.6.22 or similar Jan 17 01:19:00 is this on my slug or on my desktop? Jan 17 01:19:03 slug Jan 17 01:19:07 ok Jan 17 01:19:11 I'm losing track Jan 17 01:19:18 no worries Jan 17 01:21:03 takes a long time to search when compiling Jan 17 01:21:16 you're compiling it already? Jan 17 01:21:38 don't do that.. Jan 17 01:21:43 I started to compile the kernel last night on the slug - canceled after 8 hours because I needed to shut it down Jan 17 01:21:54 I did a make allmodules or something Jan 17 01:21:57 and then did a make Jan 17 01:22:00 yeah but don't compile yet Jan 17 01:22:02 I'm crazy Jan 17 01:22:08 do it from their source package Jan 17 01:22:11 and do it on a desktop ;) Jan 17 01:22:26 I thought I was doing it from their source Jan 17 01:22:43 did you get it fromt he regular linux archive? or from debian? Jan 17 01:23:04 that is a fantastic question Jan 17 01:23:12 I suspect I got it from aptitude Jan 17 01:23:21 I'm too lazy to get the kernel tarball Jan 17 01:23:29 i linux-source-2.6.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches Jan 17 01:23:38 no 2.6.22? Jan 17 01:23:59 where'd you get the 2.6.22 kernel on there from? Jan 17 01:23:59 it would not appear so Jan 17 01:24:18 on where? Jan 17 01:24:22 on the slug Jan 17 01:24:29 scroll back up Jan 17 01:24:38 you built the 2.6.22 kernel yourself? Jan 17 01:24:45 if I typed .22 I lied and I apologize Jan 17 01:24:53 oh Jan 17 01:25:06 oh, no, you didn't Jan 17 01:25:06 did I type .22? Jan 17 01:25:07 i did Jan 17 01:25:11 sorry, i'm overtired as always Jan 17 01:25:12 2.6.18-5-ixp4xx Jan 17 01:25:14 ok Jan 17 01:25:14 heh, where did you get that? Jan 17 01:25:15 great Jan 17 01:25:20 just kidding Jan 17 01:25:53 ok, next... Jan 17 01:25:55 what does your deb-src line say? Jan 17 01:28:26 deb-src http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ etch main Jan 17 01:28:27 deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main Jan 17 01:28:53 hmm ok Jan 17 01:29:04 easiest way is just to dl it there and copy to desktop then Jan 17 01:29:10 apt-get source linux-source-2.6.18 Jan 17 01:29:32 I think I have that already, no? Jan 17 01:29:36 do you? Jan 17 01:29:54 you downloaded your own Jan 17 01:29:56 right? Jan 17 01:29:58 isn't that the little "i" at the beginning of the line? Jan 17 01:30:15 (08:23:29 PM) daniel_bergamini: i linux-source-2.6.18 - Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches Jan 17 01:30:17 where is it then? Jan 17 01:30:33 /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 Jan 17 01:31:12 there is also a /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18.tar.bz2 Jan 17 01:31:15 er sorry i'm overtired Jan 17 01:31:20 yeah we don't want that Jan 17 01:31:33 apt-get source linux-2.6.18 Jan 17 01:31:35 how'd it get there? Jan 17 01:31:55 where will that put it? Jan 17 01:32:00 current dir Jan 17 01:32:15 will dl a tar.gz a dsc and a diff Jan 17 01:32:42 you're the boss Jan 17 01:32:56 well if their wiki is correct Jan 17 01:33:16 I need to cut the resister off this slug Jan 17 01:33:17 if that doesn't work then apt-get source linux-2.6 Jan 17 01:33:24 yeah it's dead easy Jan 17 01:33:47 yeah I remember reading the instructions - no downside right? Jan 17 01:33:51 i took a small flat head jeweler's screw driver, put it along one side (the top side if the open spot is on the bottom) Jan 17 01:33:56 so if i slipped it would slip toward the empty spot Jan 17 01:34:05 and then i just gave it a firm tap w/ an old hard drive Jan 17 01:34:14 one tap, bam, resistor is now dust Jan 17 01:34:16 i've had no problems with it Jan 17 01:34:17 E: Unable to find a source package for linux-2.6.18 Jan 17 01:34:27 and my slug is installed in the car glove box with poor air flow right under a heat duct Jan 17 01:34:28 ok 2.6 is it Jan 17 01:34:32 ok Jan 17 01:34:43 it'll dl a tar a dsc and a diff, move them onto your desktop Jan 17 01:34:46 what's it doing there? Jan 17 01:35:37 that's where i wanted it Jan 17 01:35:49 http://www.bistromath.org/geekcar hehe Jan 17 01:35:52 whatever works Jan 17 01:36:22 ok it's downloading Jan 17 01:36:27 cool Jan 17 01:36:27 a little over a decade Jan 17 01:36:34 decade? Jan 17 01:36:42 nah I'm exadurating Jan 17 01:36:46 45 minutes Jan 17 01:36:48 oh slow dl? Jan 17 01:37:09 yeah 20kB/s Jan 17 01:37:15 in NJ it costs $40 a month for 30 megabit down 6 up, and the ToS allows you to run any services you want :) Jan 17 01:37:28 web server or whatever Jan 17 01:37:37 might need to switch to another mirror Jan 17 01:37:42 yeah good idea Jan 17 01:37:43 tds.net is not my friend Jan 17 01:38:13 I should be able to sustain 65k ish 512K Jan 17 01:38:18 apt-get install netselect-apt Jan 17 01:38:43 never heard of it Jan 17 01:38:51 it'll find the fastest mirror for you Jan 17 01:39:40 get in many accidents with all those gagets? Jan 17 01:39:44 nah Jan 17 01:39:52 not since i was 17 Jan 17 01:40:02 I hear that - those were rough times ;) Jan 17 01:40:09 and all i had back then was a cd player Jan 17 01:40:14 like a discman hooked up thru tape deck heh Jan 17 01:40:48 preconfiguring Jan 17 01:41:04 what, netselect-apt? Jan 17 01:41:22 apt Jan 17 01:41:27 eh? Jan 17 01:41:32 did you install netselect-apt ? Jan 17 01:44:17 yes, finished Jan 17 01:44:24 netselect-apt -sn Jan 17 01:44:37 should dl the mirror list, find a good one, and spit out a sources.list that you can paste into your real one Jan 17 01:44:54 egads Jan 17 01:45:02 yeah it's nice Jan 17 01:46:25 netselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that Jan 17 01:46:25 you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute. Jan 17 01:46:38 eh? Jan 17 01:46:43 can you traceroute google or something? Jan 17 01:46:49 which is not entirely true Jan 17 01:46:52 heh, trying that now Jan 17 01:47:19 yeah no problem, laggy but works Jan 17 01:48:12 yep can get to google Jan 17 01:48:18 no * or anything Jan 17 01:48:24 I also noticed this Running netselect to choose 1 out of 1 address. Jan 17 01:48:40 guess it's broken =( Jan 17 01:52:58 oh well Jan 17 01:53:01 yep Jan 17 01:53:04 1/2 hour left for the kernel Jan 17 01:53:15 you could just try other mirrors Jan 17 01:53:16 it's up to 30k now Jan 17 01:53:35 or I could engage you with my exciting wit while it downloads Jan 17 01:53:46 like make it http.us.debian.org and try that and keep hitting ctrl-c til it round robins you to a good one Jan 17 01:54:27 it feels like it takes a minute every time I rerun apt Jan 17 01:54:34 overclock it ;) Jan 17 01:55:03 37.8k - getting faster Jan 17 01:55:43 no down side to the overclock? Jan 17 01:55:55 none that i know of Jan 17 01:56:29 yeah I will probably do that... maybe get all the software running Jan 17 01:56:37 and then break the hardware Jan 17 01:56:48 hey 50.4k Jan 17 01:56:49 you won't break it Jan 17 01:56:51 it's so easy Jan 17 01:57:01 I'm at about my max... 14 minutes Jan 17 01:57:33 anyway, I started playing with ham radio and am getting sick of tying up my laptop for the soundmodem (soundcard modem) Jan 17 01:57:45 heh Jan 17 01:57:49 bought a little usb audio device and am going to try it on the slug instead Jan 17 01:58:00 couldn't you just plug that into the laptop? Jan 17 01:58:06 then you wouldn't tie up the laptop's sound card Jan 17 01:58:39 I'm mostly sick of literally tying up the laptop Jan 17 01:58:47 like 3 extra wires Jan 17 01:59:09 oh Jan 17 01:59:28 sorry Jan 17 01:59:34 then slug sounds perfect hehe Jan 17 01:59:40 please repeat whatever Jan 17 01:59:40 thanks Jan 17 02:00:31 you running etch on y our desktop/laptop or whatever? Jan 17 02:00:34 oh i didnt say anything Jan 17 02:00:57 ubuntu 7.10 Jan 17 02:01:11 I forget what debian equiv it's based on Jan 17 02:01:19 or aligned with or whatever Jan 17 02:01:24 hmm Jan 17 02:01:36 i donno i hate ubuntu =) Jan 17 02:01:41 don't start with that Jan 17 02:02:09 well try the etch version first Jan 17 02:02:21 add to your apt sources : deb http://www.emdebian.org/debian/ stable main Jan 17 02:02:35 and then see if apt-get install g++-4.1-arm-linux-gnu Jan 17 02:02:41 if that works or bitches about dependencies Jan 17 02:02:53 sketchy Jan 17 02:02:59 how's that sketchy? Jan 17 02:03:16 if you don't have the right dependencies it won't install Jan 17 02:03:22 then you can try a diff distro Jan 17 02:03:33 aptitude update? Jan 17 02:03:40 i guess Jan 17 02:03:50 i just use apt-get, i don't see the point in aptitude really Jan 17 02:04:08 apt-get update first? I thought you had to before you try and get something Jan 17 02:04:16 yes update it Jan 17 02:04:22 sory i assumed that step hehe Jan 17 02:04:51 then you'll have /usr/bin/arm-linux-gnu-* binutils and gcc toolchain Jan 17 02:04:57 it appears to have gotten it anyway Jan 17 02:05:04 still getting other stuff or something Jan 17 02:05:06 ok Jan 17 02:05:11 but did it bitch about dependencies? Jan 17 02:05:18 or just ask if you want to install all the stuff Jan 17 02:05:18 still updating Jan 17 02:05:21 ah Jan 17 02:05:30 ok you're almost there hehe Jan 17 02:05:40 a likely story Jan 17 02:05:52 you are Jan 17 02:06:26 ok apt-get install g++-4.1-arm-linux-gnu Jan 17 02:06:27 ? Jan 17 02:06:31 yep Jan 17 02:07:20 it gives me options Jan 17 02:07:24 options? Jan 17 02:07:32 The following packages are BROKEN: Jan 17 02:07:32 gcc-4.1-arm-linux-gnu Jan 17 02:07:53 ? Jan 17 02:08:00 unmet dependencies or wot? Jan 17 02:08:01 a package kept back Jan 17 02:08:10 a few unmet depends Jan 17 02:08:14 hm ok Jan 17 02:08:15 score is -9857 Jan 17 02:08:22 try unstable source Jan 17 02:08:44 is this aptitude or apt-get ? Jan 17 02:08:49 must be aptitude Jan 17 02:09:01 let met try apt-get Jan 17 02:09:07 just dies out with unmet depends Jan 17 02:09:10 apt-get will probably say it has unmet depends Jan 17 02:09:10 ok Jan 17 02:09:16 yeah try the unstable apt source then Jan 17 02:09:24 and instead of gcc-4.1 you will want 4.2 Jan 17 02:09:34 same url Jan 17 02:09:40 unstable ? Jan 17 02:09:42 yep just change stable to unstable Jan 17 02:10:32 W: GPG error: http://www.emdebian.org unstable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY B5B7720097BB3B58 Jan 17 02:10:32 W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems Jan 17 02:10:38 yeah that's fine Jan 17 02:10:39 ironically that was while running apt-get update Jan 17 02:10:49 heh Jan 17 02:10:54 don't worry about it Jan 17 02:11:09 just try the install again but with 4.2 Jan 17 02:11:11 and with apt-get Jan 17 02:11:20 still unmet depends Jan 17 02:11:21 if it doesn't bitch and just asks if you want to install you are good Jan 17 02:11:23 oh hell Jan 17 02:11:49 is eno here? Jan 17 02:11:53 damn ubuntu Jan 17 02:12:59 no ubuntu options? Jan 17 02:13:08 scant: yes i am Jan 17 02:13:20 well you can build your own i guess Jan 17 02:13:26 still faster than building the kernel on the slug heh Jan 17 02:13:32 remove that apt source Jan 17 02:14:43 fyi: Jan 17 02:14:45 sh: dpkg-source: command not found Jan 17 02:14:46 Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x linux-2.6_2.6.18.dfsg.1-17.dsc' failed. Jan 17 02:14:46 Check if the 'dpkg-dev' package is installed. Jan 17 02:14:46 E: Child process failed Jan 17 02:15:13 that is fine Jan 17 02:15:16 it grabbed the 3 files right? Jan 17 02:16:02 eno: hi Jan 17 02:17:33 yes 2 files Jan 17 02:17:35 eno: i don't know if you can fix this, but mpd on openslug gives an error Jan 17 02:17:45 oh and the mirrors file from the other command Jan 17 02:18:29 2? Jan 17 02:18:36 should be tar.gz a dsc and a diff Jan 17 02:18:38 sorry 3 Jan 17 02:19:09 .1-17.diff.gz Jan 17 02:19:11 scant: pastebin the error message Jan 17 02:19:14 .1-17.dsc Jan 17 02:19:28 1.orig.tar.gz Jan 17 02:20:11 yep all 3 copy to ubuntu machine Jan 17 02:20:18 on ubuntu do you have the package emdebian-tools Jan 17 02:21:14 should that be availble from the ubuntu repository? Jan 17 02:21:19 yep Jan 17 02:21:24 says it's in gutsy Jan 17 02:21:43 ok, only 4mb Jan 17 02:22:31 yep but it'll dl other stuff heh Jan 17 02:23:05 eno: http://pastebin.ca/858023 Jan 17 02:24:07 ok, I assume armeb? Jan 17 02:24:25 for the arch? Jan 17 02:24:36 are you running emsetup? Jan 17 02:24:39 Default cross-build arch selection Jan 17 02:24:45 or is the package config asking Jan 17 02:24:49 I can choose non Jan 17 02:24:54 Package configuration Jan 17 02:25:00 *none Jan 17 02:25:31 does uname -m on your slug say armeb? Jan 17 02:25:54 armv5tel Jan 17 02:26:17 ah right that's machine name Jan 17 02:26:24 well it's big endian right? Jan 17 02:26:29 armeb should be fine Jan 17 02:26:42 you can always compile hello world to test before installing you kernel package Jan 17 02:26:48 how can I tell the endienness Jan 17 02:27:01 I was curious about that after all the reading I was doing Jan 17 02:28:32 hmm Jan 17 02:28:37 The old solution to run Debian packages in the NSLU2 is SlugOS/LE, previously known as DebianSlug. This solution uses the SlugOS kernel in little-endian mode, in a way that is compatible with the Debian arm distribution. This setup requires a manual bootstrap procedure and is no longer the recommended solution to run Debian in the slug. Jan 17 02:28:51 Also available is Big Endian DebianSlug (known as OpenDebianSlug, because it uses the big-endian OpenSlug binary image). Jan 17 02:29:31 so you're using debianslug right? Jan 17 02:29:58 I believe so but installed it about a year ago with the instructions I could find at a time and haven't used it much Jan 17 02:30:03 lol Jan 17 02:30:09 well what's your apt source? Jan 17 02:30:11 I'm sorry Jan 17 02:30:32 deb http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/ etch main Jan 17 02:31:06 on the slug? Jan 17 02:31:27 I want to say the one special thing I did was get a binary kernel that included the "binary" network driver Jan 17 02:31:39 or some other silly thing Jan 17 02:31:42 ok Jan 17 02:31:48 yes that was on the slug Jan 17 02:31:51 well that's little endian then Jan 17 02:31:54 regular arm Jan 17 02:31:58 opendebianslug is armeb Jan 17 02:32:24 you put a special kernel on there? hmm Jan 17 02:32:26 are we sure? Jan 17 02:32:28 yep Jan 17 02:32:34 there's no armeb arch in that apt source Jan 17 02:32:45 http://debian.mirrors.tds.net/debian/dists/Debian4.0r2/contrib/ Jan 17 02:33:45 worried about that special net driver tho Jan 17 02:34:01 yeah as I recall that made my mind up for me Jan 17 02:34:24 although I did recently do a dist-upgrade or something and it updated the kernel and I was a little surprised it came back up at all Jan 17 02:34:36 it worked fine? cool Jan 17 02:34:38 then you're fine Jan 17 02:34:45 you're using the same source package they used Jan 17 02:34:48 so pick arm and go on Jan 17 02:34:56 eek Jan 17 02:35:04 ? Jan 17 02:36:29 maybe it was just the microcode? Jan 17 02:36:49 I remember this page Jan 17 02:36:50 http://www.slug-firmware.net/d-dls.php Jan 17 02:36:56 anyway, emdebian finished Jan 17 02:36:57 if your apt-get update updated your kernel you will be fine Jan 17 02:37:02 you're using the kernel config they used Jan 17 02:37:06 and the source they used etc Jan 17 02:37:10 ok and you picked arm Jan 17 02:37:14 eg the debian one Jan 17 02:37:15 then just run emchain and wait a long time Jan 17 02:37:25 root or normal user? Jan 17 02:37:32 root i would think Jan 17 02:37:55 then while that's going go to the dir where you put the dsc and diff and tar.gz Jan 17 02:38:03 that was quicker than you thought Jan 17 02:38:05 Unable to determine apt-cache policy: at /usr/bin/emchain line 32 Jan 17 02:38:14 and run dpkg-source -x whatever.dsc linux-2.6.18-6 Jan 17 02:38:19 it is -6 right? Jan 17 02:38:31 try emsetup --arch arm Jan 17 02:38:34 and then emchain again? Jan 17 02:38:51 Unable to determine apt-cache policy: at /usr/bin/emsetup line 122 Jan 17 02:39:32 ^for emsetup Jan 17 02:40:23 odd Jan 17 02:40:32 I can pick the winers Jan 17 02:40:51 ? Jan 17 02:41:18 eno: still here? Jan 17 02:41:19 nevermind Jan 17 02:41:27 is it working now? Jan 17 02:41:28 still thinking its faster than compiling on the slug Jan 17 02:41:32 might be time to pull that resister Jan 17 02:41:33 no it isn't Jan 17 02:41:36 you left it going 8 hours Jan 17 02:41:46 this will take 30 min to build and 10 to build your kernel Jan 17 02:41:49 still not working Jan 17 02:41:49 and then you'll always have it Jan 17 02:41:52 and you can easily build anything Jan 17 02:42:06 heh, getting a new laptop this week or next Jan 17 02:42:12 then I'll be back Jan 17 02:42:35 actually I'll just follow the instructions from the site Jan 17 02:44:39 yeah Jan 17 02:44:55 well the instructions don't tell how to fix that tho Jan 17 02:44:55 hmm Jan 17 02:45:36 my new laptop won't have this problem Jan 17 02:46:00 heh Jan 17 02:46:49 perhaps this is because there is not a sources line? Jan 17 02:47:29 a deb-src line? Jan 17 02:47:42 or deb line Jan 17 02:47:49 something for emsetup Jan 17 02:48:03 do you ahve a deb-src line at all? Jan 17 02:48:56 yes 4 of them Jan 17 02:49:16 gutsy, -updates, -security, -backports Jan 17 02:49:19 wtf man Jan 17 02:49:31 so close Jan 17 02:50:56 hmm I noticed I had a few outstanding packages left behind Jan 17 02:51:04 so I did a safe-upgrade and it said Jan 17 02:51:18 The following partially installed packages will be configured: Jan 17 02:51:18 emdebian-tools Jan 17 02:51:30 odd Jan 17 02:51:34 which led to Jan 17 02:51:34 Unable to determine apt-cache policy for Debian main! at /var/lib/dpkg/info/emdebian-tools.postinst line 132. Jan 17 02:51:37 I have seen that error Jan 17 02:51:43 i haven't Jan 17 02:51:55 200+ debian boxes and i've never seen that happen heh Jan 17 02:52:13 try emsetup --arch arm -v Jan 17 02:52:14 another reason to hate ubuntu Jan 17 02:52:15 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emdebian-tools/+bug/121369 Jan 17 02:52:37 yeah i can't stand ubuntu tbh Jan 17 02:52:57 i understand the demand for a debian desktop environment and other such stuff that's configured out of the box like that Jan 17 02:53:00 to do a bunch of things, etc Jan 17 02:53:17 but why, oh why the hell did they not just make it an apt source with a set of packages, based on standard debian? Jan 17 02:53:17 meh Jan 17 02:53:32 I concur Jan 17 02:54:01 "I solved the problem adding a debian repository to my sources.list, although maybe you don't want to do that." Jan 17 02:54:13 there is a hack to the script as well Jan 17 02:54:18 yep Jan 17 02:54:22 try that Jan 17 02:55:10 once the toolchain is working go to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/BuildImage Jan 17 02:55:27 under 'source code from a released debian kernel' do the dpkg-source part from the wget method Jan 17 02:55:57 and under 'Building the kernel' use the make-kpkg option at the very end of that section Jan 17 02:56:01 not the manual stuff w/ all the fakeroots Jan 17 02:56:58 but of course put the kernel config from the slug in there as .config before you build it Jan 17 02:57:07 and you want to be in the kernel source dir when you do the make-kpkg Jan 17 02:57:14 then you should be good to go Jan 17 02:57:37 i need to stop multi tasking and continue my ipod hacking tho, it's getting late, hehe Jan 17 02:58:22 wtf would they install a package with a script that checks for a debian repository? Jan 17 02:58:32 cause they suck? Jan 17 02:58:38 correct Jan 17 02:58:47 not a fan of ubuntu =) Jan 17 02:58:50 I'm going to do the wrong thing Jan 17 02:58:56 nah Jan 17 02:59:00 you'll be fine Jan 17 02:59:01 I'm going to duplicate my ubuntu line and just change it to Debian Jan 17 02:59:13 come on you like it Jan 17 02:59:15 just get that working then follow the steps i said above from that page Jan 17 02:59:36 brb **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 17 02:59:56 2008