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Feb 16 03:07:11 <mwester> ipkg install tzdata
Feb 16 03:07:31 <mwester> ln -s ../usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Chicago /etc/localtime
Feb 16 03:08:14 <mwester> (or in your case, it might be ../usr/share/zoneinfo/American/Who-knows-what-timezone-THIS-part-of-Indiana-is-in ... :p :D
Feb 16 03:08:17 <mwester> )
Feb 16 03:09:30 <Nimmit> EST
Feb 16 03:11:18 <mwester> Well, EST right now -- I just can never figure out what parts observe DST and such.
Feb 16 03:11:30 <Nimmit> we do
Feb 16 03:12:20 <Nimmit> so ln -s ../usr/share/zoneinfo/America/EST /etc/localtime
Feb 16 03:12:21 <Nimmit> ?
Feb 16 03:13:46 <mwester> I dunno, frankly.  That would work for right now.  But I'm jokingly referring to the rather complicated timezone and DST stuff that usually means you need to select a specific place in Indiana in order to get DST observed (or not) correctly.
Feb 16 03:13:51 <mwester> Has that been fixed now?
Feb 16 03:15:47 <Nimmit> how can I add more places to America/
Feb 16 03:15:48 <Nimmit> ?
Feb 16 03:16:18 <mwester> ipkg list | grep tz
Feb 16 03:16:52 <mwester> There should be a bunch of additional tzdata packages.  One or the other may include more America/ timezones.
Feb 16 03:17:03 <Nimmit> yea, there is an americas one
Feb 16 03:17:04 <Nimmit> trying that
Feb 16 03:17:26 <Nimmit> awesome
Feb 16 03:17:30 <Nimmit> there is an Indianapolis
Feb 16 03:17:33 <mwester> :)
Feb 16 03:17:35 <Nimmit> they are in the same tz as me
Feb 16 03:17:38 <Nimmit> same everything
Feb 16 03:17:40 <Nimmit> so that should work
Feb 16 03:17:41 <Nimmit> ty
Feb 16 03:18:26 <Nimmit> awesome
Feb 16 03:19:28 <Nimmit> I have ntpclient instaleld and working also
Feb 16 03:19:38 <Nimmit> so my date/time should be in business now
Feb 16 03:19:57 <Nimmit> my nslu2 is almost right on with my PC
Feb 16 03:20:27 <mwester> ntpclient is good; running the full ntp daemon seems to run the machine out of memory eventually.  Pretty heavyweight (and unnecessary), but I was hoping that my "netslug" could be my ntp reference server too. :(
Feb 16 03:21:24 <mwester> If you keep your eye on the "drift" of the clock, you can sort of adjust how often ntpclient needs to run (via cron IIRC) to keep it within sub-second accuracy.
Feb 16 03:21:41 <Nimmit> right now I have it running every hour
Feb 16 03:22:46 <mwester> Hmmm... watch carefully then; I seem to recall that I needed to have one run every 30 minutes or the drift would get to the point where it would "jump" the clock rather than accellerate/decellerate gently.  Not that it matters much for most applciation...
Feb 16 03:22:58 <Nimmit> [root@CUBS proc]$ free
Feb 16 03:22:58 <Nimmit>               total         used         free       shared      buffers
Feb 16 03:22:58 <Nimmit>   Mem:        30376        28652         1724            0         1044
Feb 16 03:22:58 <Nimmit>  Swap:       246248        11688       234560
Feb 16 03:22:59 <Nimmit> Total:       276624        40340       236284
Feb 16 03:23:58 <Nimmit> is that too much memory being used?
Feb 16 03:24:47 <mwester> Good thing you have swap space ;)    No, that's not too much memory, as long as it's not actively using the swap space.  Some apps just allocate a lot of memory and never really use it, so the swap space gets allocated but there's no swapping going on.
Feb 16 03:25:10 <Nimmit> my swap is a flash drive :)
Feb 16 03:25:46 <mwester> They're cheap.  I know a lot of folks seem to obsess about not swapping on them, etc.  I do, and I haven't lost one yet.
Feb 16 03:25:58 <Nimmit> like I care if it fails on me someday
Feb 16 03:26:07 <Nimmit> I will just fork out another $1 and buy a new one
Feb 16 03:26:09 <mwester> Our company gives away 128MB devices at trade shows...
Feb 16 03:26:12 <mwester> :D
Feb 16 03:26:37 <Nimmit> mine is a 256MB flash drive that I'm using for swap now
Feb 16 03:26:43 <Nimmit> they are only a couple bucks new at the store
Feb 16 03:26:52 <Nimmit> heck, a GB here is now only $10
Feb 16 03:28:27 <Nimmit> I paid $15USD for the 2GB flash drive I am currently using
Feb 16 03:28:47 <Nimmit> kind of funny
Feb 16 03:28:52 <Nimmit> because the one I am swapping with now
Feb 16 03:28:58 <Nimmit> was my first flash drive I ever bought
Feb 16 03:29:05 <Nimmit> 256MB, paid $50 for it
Feb 16 03:29:10 <ShadowJK> I found I get much better performance swapping to harddrive :)
Feb 16 03:30:12 <Nimmit> not me
Feb 16 03:30:17 <Nimmit> I found different
Feb 16 03:30:35 <Nimmit> went from 4.9Mbps transfer also .. to 5.6Mbps
Feb 16 03:34:25 <ShadowJK> I never even checked file transfer performance, heh.
Feb 16 03:36:20 <Nimmit> I was getting like near 4 with unslung
Feb 16 03:36:24 <Nimmit> when I got slugos
Feb 16 03:36:27 <Nimmit> I was getting 4.9
Feb 16 03:36:37 <Nimmit> then I started swapping to flash drive
Feb 16 03:36:39 <Nimmit> and got 5.6
Feb 16 08:53:51 <alezzandro> hi all
Feb 16 08:57:58 <alezzandro> mwester: all ok, no problem with ext3, maybe the reiserfs was the real problem, chmodding a big directory before with reiserfs takes about 10 minutes, now only about 20-30secs, if you can please insert a note on wiki telling people to avoid reiserfs, thanks for suggestions too :)
Feb 16 10:35:26 <daveyboy_> morning guys
Feb 16 17:03:44 <dr_nick> hi
Feb 16 17:05:00 <dr_nick> i'm trying to install debian sid armel on my slug. so far i've flashed the armel installer (2007-07-25 "release" from slug-firmeware.net), started the debiani installer, but:
Feb 16 17:05:31 <dr_nick> the installer is using an old kernel, so it can't find necessary matching kernel modules as udeb in the repository. 
Feb 16 17:06:08 <dr_nick> so without usb-storage support the debian installer is a pretty useless thing.
Feb 16 17:06:40 <dr_nick> (i'm a long time debian & debian-on-slug user, no newbie here)
Feb 16 17:17:40 <janne-5011> dr-nick theres a #debian-arm channel on irc.oftc.net 
Feb 16 17:30:21 <dr_nick> janne-5011: oh, thanks. 
Feb 16 19:54:36 <Matsuka> Does unslung comes with an installed mail client or do i have to download one from ipkg ?
Feb 16 19:56:39 <nhoman> Matsuka: nope... use ipkg
Feb 16 19:57:02 <Matsuka> nhoman: Do you have any client to suggest for downloading ?
Feb 16 19:57:33 <janne-5011> Matsuka some info here http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Nail
Feb 16 19:58:14 <nhoman> Matsukja: never used one... what janne said :-)
Feb 16 19:58:29 <Matsuka> janne-5011: Thanks. Will look into it right now
Feb 16 20:47:40 <Matsuka> I'm trying to find documentation of the built-in shell of unslung to learn more about scripting. I found some man pages but have generic descriptions. Any hints?
Feb 16 20:47:55 <Nimmit> google bash scripting
Feb 16 20:49:15 <Matsuka> So ash is bash-compatible?
Feb 16 20:50:02 <Nimmit> mostly
Feb 16 20:50:20 <Nimmit> if you really want to learn with the normal shell though, maybe you should ipkg install bash
Feb 16 20:50:33 <Nimmit> then just edit your /etc/passwd file and change your shell to bash
Feb 16 20:51:32 <Matsuka> I don't need bash for something specific so i will stick with the minimal ash ;)
Feb 16 21:12:55 <Matsuka> Nimmit: I'm trying to create a custom PS1 and it seems that ash doesn't support variables in prompt (?). Is that right?
Feb 16 21:15:02 <mwester> It truely is minimal in Unslung.  If you are trying to learn, you would do well to install bash and use that.  Just "ipkg install bash" and then you can start a bash shell by typing "bash"
Feb 16 21:41:00 <Nimmit> mwester ... I want to make some changes to miau ... so I can run more than one copy of it ... where do I get the source for it though... the source for the one currently built for the nslu2
Feb 16 21:42:18 <mwester> If you set up a cross-compilation environment to build optware (which is the correct way to do this sort of thing), then you'll find the optware makefile has the URLs for the download sites in it.
Feb 16 21:44:00 <Nimmit> eh, I'll never figure it out
Feb 16 21:44:10 <Nimmit> I've never compilied anything for the nslu2
Feb 16 21:45:00 <mwester> It's really quite easy.
Feb 16 21:45:10 <mwester> Follow the wiki page on optware
Feb 16 21:45:35 <mwester> First it will download the sources to build the toolchain (cross compilers, libs, etc), then compile and build same.
Feb 16 21:46:02 <mwester> Then you just run the make command to cause it to build miau with the cross tools.
Feb 16 21:46:15 <Nimmit> this isn't done on the nslu2 though is it?
Feb 16 21:46:24 <Nimmit> where is this wiki page
Feb 16 21:46:44 <mwester> No, that's the whole point - the NSLU2 doesn't have the memory to build anything but the most trivial of apps.
Feb 16 21:47:16 <Nimmit> so what os is best?
Feb 16 21:47:35 <Blastur> anyone know how i can configure my slug so it can send emails?
Feb 16 21:47:35 <Nimmit> would ubuntu work?
Feb 16 21:47:42 <mwester> Sure.
Feb 16 21:47:48 <mwester> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/AddAPackageToOptware?from=Unslung.AddAPackageToUnslung 
Feb 16 21:48:05 <mwester> (the page for the generic optware stuff - can be made to work on SlugOS/BE as well)
Feb 16 21:48:21 <Nimmit> yea
Feb 16 21:48:25 <Nimmit> I run slugosbe
Feb 16 21:49:49 <mwester> If you wanted native for SlugOS/BE you would need to set up an OE build environment: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/HomePage
Feb 16 21:50:19 <mwester> Build SlugOS/BE first, then you'll have everything necessary to build maui et al 
Feb 16 22:15:26 <Matsuka> Blastur: Check nail mail client (/ipkg install nail)
Feb 16 22:16:42 <Blastur> thanks
Feb 16 22:30:59 <Blastur> Matsuka, hmm, doesn't seem to work :( did ipkg install nail, and when I run it, it complains about:
Feb 16 22:31:23 <Blastur> http://pastebin.ca/906718
Feb 16 22:31:39 <Blastur> perhaps i need ipkg install sendmail also?
Feb 16 22:32:03 <Matsuka> I would think so
Feb 16 22:33:21 <Blastur> though, no sendmail package exists :(
Feb 16 22:33:35 <Matsuka> It does. I just installed to see myself
Feb 16 22:33:55 <Matsuka> Try ipkg update first
Feb 16 22:34:47 <Nimmit> mwester: new plan
Feb 16 22:34:47 <Blastur> http://pastebin.ca/906723
Feb 16 22:34:53 <Nimmit> I beg you to fix miau for me
Feb 16 22:34:54 <Blastur> hmm, "nothing to be done"?
Feb 16 22:35:31 <Matsuka> ipkg install sendmail does nothing ?
Feb 16 22:35:46 <Blastur> you see the output on http://pastebin.ca/906723
Feb 16 22:35:55 <Blastur> "cannot find package sendmail"
Feb 16 22:37:53 <Matsuka> Blastur: Can you accept tells so we don't clutter the channel ?
Feb 16 22:38:59 <Blastur> tells?
Feb 16 22:41:07 <Matsuka> Irc whispers
Feb 16 22:43:59 <Blastur> oh
Feb 16 22:44:12 <Blastur> i see the problem
Feb 16 22:44:19 <Blastur> all my replies to your private message is blocked :)
Feb 16 22:44:41 <Blastur> anyway, i think the problem is that you are on unslung, and im on slugosbe.. sendmail doesnt seem to be avail on slugosbe
Feb 16 22:48:18 <Matsuka> :(
Feb 17 02:24:57 <solarbaby> ]/part
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