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Mar 08 14:29:21 <slugman> hi
Mar 08 14:29:57 <slugman> im about to upgrade the memory of my snlu2 to 64m for use with debian
Mar 08 14:30:03 <slugman> does anyone have some special advice?
Mar 08 14:30:32 <slugman> special, do, i need to patch apex in the debian image or does it have a working memory reconfiguration now?
Mar 08 15:20:37 <mwester> slack---line:  No, make no such assumption.  You'll probably have to build your own kernel.
Mar 08 15:21:15 <mwester> slugman:  You might also check the #debian-arm IRC channel (check the wiki; they're not on freenode)
Mar 08 15:22:01 <slugman> hmm
Mar 08 15:22:23 <slugman> since i only go to 64MB im not affected with the dma bounce problem
Mar 08 15:24:43 <slugman> i will see, patching the redboot should be enough...
Mar 08 16:00:33 <RotzeKopf> hoi
Mar 08 16:58:19 <slugman> bye
Mar 09 00:18:50 <AndyGraybeal> i can put a zImage onto my slug with no problem right?  like this: upslug2 --image="openwrt-nslu2-2.6-zImage"  ?
Mar 09 00:29:44 <AndyGraybeal> nm i think i screwed something up and was thinking wrong
Mar 09 02:00:24 <AndyGraybeal> it doesn't look liek there is an asterisk already compiled for armeb in kamikaze 7.09 or in backports
Mar 09 02:04:32 <AndyGraybeal> maybe openwrt isn't for me
Mar 09 02:17:48 <joat> I've had issues with running openwrt on the nslu2
Mar 09 02:18:00 <joat> it runs but there's too much stuff that needs fixing
Mar 09 02:21:06 <AndyGraybeal> joat, i found our blog!  
Mar 09 02:21:42 <AndyGraybeal> does the unslung version of asterisk run on kamikaze ? (i'm going to try right now)
Mar 09 02:21:57 <AndyGraybeal> joat, i came across your blog while trying to get asterisk installed 
Mar 09 02:22:08 <AndyGraybeal> fun to see someone on irc when you just have seen their blog!
Mar 09 02:30:08 <AndyGraybeal> joat: what OS do you recommend?
**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 09 04:41:09 2008
Mar 09 07:36:54 <PPmarcel> good moning
Mar 09 08:04:03 <Nimmit> morning
Mar 09 09:12:13 <janne-5011> morning
Mar 09 13:12:20 <kizoku> Whats wrong with http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org ?
Mar 09 13:12:39 <kizoku> Cant find any information on packages... I only get Sorry, package not found. when I click one.
Mar 09 13:41:21 <Nimmit> yea, that's been messed up for the past couple weeks
Mar 09 13:42:43 <kizoku> That really sucks.
Mar 09 13:43:04 <kizoku> ipkg seems to be working tho.
Mar 09 13:43:20 <kizoku> Im gonna wipe and update my entire system.
Mar 09 13:43:57 <Reedy_Boy> Unless its really specialised.. I suspect most of the info would be findable via google
Mar 09 14:03:18 <zefanja> hi...i try to install the current version of Debian, but I get this error: http://pastebin.ca/935259
Mar 09 14:03:31 <zefanja> doas anybody can help me?
Mar 09 14:41:04 <janne-5011> zefanja; If you are using the Debian packages (either little-endian or big-endian), then you should use the #debian-arm channel on irc.oftc.net instead.
Mar 09 14:42:32 <zefanja> ok..thx
Mar 09 17:01:10 <AndyGraybeal> if i connect a CD/DVD writer to the USB port on my nslu2, can i turn it on and turn it off so it's not always on?
Mar 09 17:01:53 <mwester> AndyGraybeal:  You pretty much should just leave the DVD burner turned off, as it's not going to do much good for you on the NSLU2. :(
Mar 09 17:03:03 <AndyGraybeal> oh really?  i thought i read somewehre that i could hook it up..  on the nslu2 page http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/RecordCDROMandDVD
Mar 09 17:04:31 <mwester> Oh you can hook it up.  There's just not enough "oomph" in the little NSLU2's I/O to feed a DVD burner, or anything but the slowest of CD burners.  They get cranky when the data doesn't show up soon enough.
Mar 09 17:05:03 <AndyGraybeal> hmmmmm..... didn't realize this
Mar 09 17:05:12 <AndyGraybeal> i couldn't even burn a dvd at 1x?
Mar 09 17:05:47 <AndyGraybeal> i can read from them though to transfer files
Mar 09 17:06:07 <mwester> I didn't know any burners can do less than 2.3x ?
Mar 09 17:06:15 <AndyGraybeal> aah okay , i dn't know what i'm talkign about
Mar 09 17:06:46 <AndyGraybeal> thanks for letting me know about that
Mar 09 17:06:47 <drif> mwester: and you're saying slug can't candle 2.3x?
Mar 09 17:07:21 <mwester> Yep, you can read from them no problem.  You can try to write as well, I haven't done the math, but my 52x CD burner wasn't able to go slow enough to burn without buffer under-runs .
Mar 09 17:07:34 <mwester> drif: what's the data rate for 2.3 x?
Mar 09 17:07:57 <mwester> er, 2.4x isn't it?  I think I misspoke.
Mar 09 17:08:31 <mwester> I think it's about 3.3MB/sec
Mar 09 17:09:19 <mwester> You need to read that and write that, so you need 6.6MB/sec total I/O bandwidth, and I thinks beyond what the device can do, and certainly beyond what it can sustain.
Mar 09 17:09:57 <drif> there's no error-correction on hardware level of dvd-drive?
Mar 09 17:10:17 <drif> ah, the material..
Mar 09 17:10:49 <drif> <- powernap in order
Mar 09 17:11:01 <mwester> :D
Mar 09 17:12:13 <drif> ok, well atleast with antique cd-rw it could be possible..
Mar 09 17:12:16 <AndyGraybeal> so what about CD?
Mar 09 17:13:32 <AndyGraybeal> why does this page suggest otherwise: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/RecordCDROMandDVD
Mar 09 17:14:46 <AndyGraybeal> yea,looks like i'm gonna figure something else out
Mar 09 17:14:48 <drif> Andy: I'd say atleast upto 12x very possible
Mar 09 17:16:17 <drif> total of 3.6MB/sec transfer rates
Mar 09 17:16:18 <AndyGraybeal> can i turn harddrives on and off with the nslu2 (connected with usb)
Mar 09 17:16:30 <mwester> My 52x USB cd burner couldn't do it.  But that might be because it was a very very cheap burner; perhaps a name-brand would be able to handle the slow data rates.
Mar 09 17:16:32 <drif> spin'em down?
Mar 09 17:17:05 <drif> yeah, plextor might bend to it..
Mar 09 17:17:25 <AndyGraybeal> yea, i guess i'm thinking somehow to turn off the external HD box too
Mar 09 17:19:04 <drif> mwester: btw, doesn't internal buffering (burnproof etc.) prevent things.. makes it pretty slow but still it should work?
Mar 09 17:20:28 <drif> it seems new plextors can go to 2x CD-R
Mar 09 17:20:34 <mwester> That's what I thought.  I probably don't have that on my cheapo burner.  But that's not even so much the killer; the fact that we're stuck at 8x or less for burning makes it almost useless.  You can just copy the file to your local PC and burn it from there -- more reliable, and probably faster.
Mar 09 17:21:03 <mwester> Wrong tool for the job -- strikes me like using a coffee mug for a hammer.
Mar 09 17:21:56 <drif> hey, if the cup is robust enough..
Mar 09 17:22:01 <drif> ehm, mug
Mar 09 17:28:00 <ShadowJK> DVD+R burners on DVD+R discs handle "underruns" fine, the +R discs contain precise enough adressing information in the subcode that the drive can resume burning accurately on the same place it halted
Mar 09 17:29:25 <drif> mwester: how cheapo actually? from a box of cerials?
Mar 09 17:29:26 <ShadowJK> If you use crecord or similar for burning CD-R, please note that buffer underrun recovery is /disabled by default/ :-)
Mar 09 17:29:59 <drif> ShadowJK: what's the benefit in that?
Mar 09 17:30:07 <ShadowJK> The author is a loony
Mar 09 17:31:02 <mwester> drif: worse.  Best Buy.
Mar 09 17:31:28 <drif> mwester: what on earth made you... *gasp* do that for..
Mar 09 17:31:40 <ShadowJK> Well, on CD-R, if the burning is interrupted the drive can't resume on the exact same place it stopped, it's somewhat approximate. The error correction and redundancy covers up the fault, but it also means that you've got less protection from scratches and other defects. The author argues that it should be disabled by default because you rather want a definite "this disc is crap" signal than to burn weak discs :)
Mar 09 17:32:10 <mwester> It was on the "open box" table at a ridiculously low price.  Sigh, it turned out to be worth pretty much exactly what I paid for it...
Mar 09 17:32:44 <mwester> ShadowJK:  Good info.  So I take it I should avoid the "-R" media in favor of "+R"?
Mar 09 17:33:07 <drif> ShadowJK: I wonder how vulnerable these products of plextor's GigaRec are then.. (nearly 140% of media capacity) 
Mar 09 17:34:01 <ShadowJK> The shortcomings of the -R media is because they try to make it looks as similar to DVD-ROM as possible. But this also means that it has maximum physical compatibility with DVD players... Although in this day and age surely every DVD player can play DVD+R and DVD+RW anyway...
Mar 09 17:34:27 <ShadowJK> drif, I wouldn't trust it :-)
Mar 09 17:34:37 <ShadowJK> It probably skips a layer of error correction data
Mar 09 19:55:12 <willyb99> hello?
Mar 09 19:55:46 <Kvaks> Hey.
Mar 09 19:55:53 <willyb99> hi!
Mar 09 19:56:23 <willyb99> i have a question or 2 about the nslu2
Mar 09 19:56:49 <Kvaks> I'm not an expert, but shoot.
Mar 09 19:57:17 <willyb99> well i bought one off the bay yesterday
Mar 09 19:57:48 <willyb99> so does unslung replace what linksys had on the device?
Mar 09 19:57:59 <willyb99> or modify?
Mar 09 19:58:06 <Kvaks> Modify.
Mar 09 19:58:31 <Kvaks> It keeps the existing functionality, but gives you a working linux OS you can use.
Mar 09 19:58:39 <willyb99> so the R63 should never go away if it is done right
Mar 09 19:59:18 <Kvaks> Well, the firmware is replaced.
Mar 09 19:59:32 <Kvaks> But the new firmware is a modification of the linksys one.
Mar 09 19:59:44 <Kvaks> New firmware = unslung.
Mar 09 20:00:08 <mwester> Basically, it's an entire new firmware, but that new firmware is made up of some custom stuff, some modified Linksys stuff, and a whole lot of the Linksys R63 firmware.
Mar 09 20:00:29 <mwester> Most everything should be similar to the R63, for good or for bad.
Mar 09 20:00:44 <willyb99> so it is not a "pure" linux instalation..
Mar 09 20:01:05 <mwester> Oh no.
Mar 09 20:01:30 <mwester> If you are desiring a more standard Linux, choose either SlugOS/BE or Debian.
Mar 09 20:01:48 <mwester> They are complete replacements, with no Linksys bits at all.
Mar 09 20:02:02 <willyb99> i see, the faq recommends the unslung..
Mar 09 20:02:14 <willyb99> all this can be reversed?
Mar 09 20:02:40 <mwester> Yes.
Mar 09 20:03:08 <willyb99> what do you think i am a somewhat avid linux user i think
Mar 09 20:03:13 <mwester> The bootloader is never altered, so you can revert to Linksys firmware at any time.
Mar 09 20:04:10 <mwester> If you are experienced with Linux, then SlugOS or Debian.  SlugOS is designed for the NSLU2 - smaller, and can boot from firmware only so it is more easily recoverable.  Debian on the other hand has the entire Debian ARM software distro available.
Mar 09 20:04:17 <willyb99> should i go with unsling initially?
Mar 09 20:04:20 <willyb99> oh ok
Mar 09 20:05:47 <mwester> Unslung is a much harder install, and a very odd Linux environment.  It's really only intended to "open" the Linksys firmware, not to be a general purpose Linux device -- although many people have used it as such. (They don't seem to realize that they need to know more to make Unslung behave like a standard Linux than if they just dispensed with the Linksys GUI in the first place and went with Debian or SlugOS)
Mar 09 20:06:25 <willyb99> which of the 2 is the most "useable" or "powerful"
Mar 09 20:06:49 <mwester> Depends on your needs.
Mar 09 20:07:19 <mwester> Debian is standard (use any Debian reference manual to use it), and has access to the full Debian set of software packages.
Mar 09 20:08:01 <mwester> SlugOS is smaller, easier to install, fits on smaller devices, and when something bad happens it is much easier to recover.
Mar 09 20:08:06 <willyb99> id like to have web server i think (don't really know html stuff), id like to store/stream my mp3's and videos
Mar 09 20:09:06 <willyb99> id also want to set up my one wire weather station 
Mar 09 20:10:34 <mwester> You'll have to peruse the wiki to see what has worked for others; or just try one or the other and see for yourself.  :)
Mar 09 20:10:47 <willyb99> yes
Mar 09 20:11:10 <willyb99> I dont really have a need, more of needing something to do
Mar 09 20:20:17 <willyb99> question
Mar 09 20:20:39 <willyb99> why would I want nslu2 to update dyndns when my linksys does it?
Mar 09 20:21:04 <drif> and the connection is behind NAT?
Mar 09 20:21:20 <willyb99> i guess so
Mar 09 20:21:43 <willyb99> internet-->linksys-->pc's
Mar 09 20:21:46 <drif> if it ain't bridged (different ip on every device connected) then there's no need
Mar 09 20:22:33 <willyb99> whatever DHCP hands out, i have 1 static IP
Mar 09 20:23:02 <drif> which dhcp? linksys's or isp's?
Mar 09 20:23:09 <willyb99> linksys
Mar 09 20:29:28 <Reedy_Boy> Some peoples routers dont do it, or at least, not to the provider they want to use.. Therefore, if your NSLU2 is an always on device, it makes a good candidate
Mar 09 20:31:38 <willyb99> i see
Mar 09 20:38:31 <Reedy_Boy> Seems the NSLU2 is now discontinued... Or at least, at some places... http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-general/message/7205
Mar 09 20:38:36 <Reedy_Boy> I wonder if its just staples
Mar 09 20:38:54 <willyb99> i got one from yhe bay
Mar 09 20:38:58 <willyb99> opps
Mar 09 20:39:11 <Reedy_Boy> scrap the latter comment, its the same on the linksys page, as the first reply says
Mar 09 20:39:23 <willyb99> also the linksys site does not list it as current it seems
Mar 09 20:39:34 <Reedy_Boy> ya
Mar 09 20:40:00 <drif> hm
Mar 09 20:40:14 <drif> already have two but..
Mar 09 20:40:19 <Reedy_Boy> Yeah...
Mar 09 20:40:27 <Reedy_Boy> It seems stocks are fairly plentiful here in the UK
Mar 09 20:40:34 <Reedy_Boy> Online, at least
Mar 09 20:40:51 <willyb99> i might have to snatch up another one
Mar 09 20:40:53 <drif> hard to say here.. 5 in stock but doesn't really reveal anything
Mar 09 20:41:04 <Reedy_Boy> true
Mar 09 20:42:58 <Reedy_Boy> doesnt seem to be any news articles about it
Mar 09 20:47:10 <drif> probably belongs to marginal..
Mar 09 20:48:10 <Reedy_Boy> sorry?
Mar 09 20:51:32 <drif> as product
Mar 09 20:51:41 <drif> no news value if discontinued
Mar 09 20:52:49 <Reedy_Boy> hm
Mar 09 20:53:06 <Reedy_Boy> would've thought linksys would've announced it somewhere
Mar 09 20:53:34 <drif> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-general/message/7208
Mar 09 20:54:04 <drif> it seems they have
Mar 09 20:54:47 <Reedy_Boy> Yeah, but thats the first i've heard of it
Mar 09 21:12:16 <willyb99> i suppose installing slugos from the binary is the easiest vs a tarball
Mar 09 21:12:22 <willyb99> for a noob at least
Mar 09 21:12:44 <mwester> building from source is not for the faint-hearted.
Mar 09 21:13:41 <Reedy_Boy> mwester, had you seen anything relating to the discontiuned status before that nslu2-general post?
Mar 09 21:14:22 <willyb99> im always up for a challenge but i'll go binary
Mar 09 21:14:31 <mwester> Reedy_Boy:  nope.
Mar 09 21:14:38 <mwester> But it's about time, I suppose.
Mar 09 21:15:00 <Reedy_Boy> yeah, maybe so... its nearing 4 years old
Mar 09 21:15:24 <mwester> Far, far longer than anyone ever expected.  Possibly even longer than Linksys expected...
Mar 09 21:15:40 <willyb99> i wonder if they will keep making a similar device
Mar 09 21:15:43 <Reedy_Boy> Yeah, true.. I suppose if sales are slowing down and such... it may not be as viable
Mar 09 21:15:46 <Reedy_Boy> would've been nice if they had come up with a replacement - with more ram etc etc
Mar 09 21:15:49 <Reedy_Boy> even if just that they will
Mar 09 21:19:03 <drif> that would be nice
Mar 09 21:19:56 <Reedy_Boy> i think faster cpu, more memory, more usb and gigabit, that'd appease most people ;)
Mar 09 21:20:32 <willyb99> and hackable
Mar 09 21:20:48 <Reedy_Boy> im meaning vs the current one
Mar 09 21:20:56 <Reedy_Boy> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?childpagename=US%2FLayout&packedargs=c%3DL_Product_C2%26cid%3D1118334819312&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper
Mar 09 21:21:04 <Reedy_Boy> It doesnt show it as discontinued.. :/
Mar 09 21:21:43 <willyb99> if you search all info is archived
Mar 09 21:21:45 <mwester> Reedy_Boy:  Like the discontinued rev A of the DSM-G600.
Mar 09 21:21:59 <willyb99> last i checked
Mar 09 21:22:01 <Reedy_Boy> hmmm
Mar 09 21:25:11 <Reedy_Boy> I cant find it listed as archived or discontinued..
Mar 09 21:28:43 <willyb99> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416906769&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=0676923093B14
Mar 09 21:28:58 <willyb99> does this show? your link didnt
Mar 09 21:29:06 <Reedy_Boy> Ah, thats better
Mar 09 21:29:17 <Reedy_Boy> Yeah, it says "archived"/product no longer shipping
Mar 09 21:29:28 <Reedy_Boy> Thanks :), i can use that now
Mar 09 21:29:33 <willyb99> how did you get your link?
Mar 09 21:29:55 <Reedy_Boy> Browsed through the product tree
Mar 09 21:30:48 <willyb99> products-->wired-->network storage does not show
Mar 09 21:31:36 <Reedy_Boy> Its under basic networking, for some reason
Mar 09 21:35:34 <willyb99> i see
Mar 09 21:35:51 <willyb99> so i wonder what the verdict is....
Mar 09 21:38:29 <Reedy_Boy> Dunno... Have to see what other replies the mailing list gets...
Mar 09 21:39:28 <Reedy_Boy> may bring some more information to light
Mar 09 22:42:08 <alezzandro> hi all
Mar 10 01:55:05 <willyb99> hello!
Mar 10 01:55:45 <willyb99> would it be bad to change the nslu ip from 192.168.1.77 to something else??
Mar 10 01:58:14 <drif> no?
Mar 10 01:59:15 <willyb99> didnt think so
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