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Mar 14 03:43:02 <Jadefalcon> Ok I'm back.  I've got a couple questions and a couple answers
Mar 14 03:43:21 <Jadefalcon> First is I've got the system to boot from one of the additional usb ports.  
Mar 14 03:44:23 <Jadefalcon> But while one of them is in use it disables one of the onboard ports.  Would it be possible to mount the other drive and share it that way through samba?
Mar 14 03:44:43 <mwester> ?  That's not right.
Mar 14 03:44:56 <mwester> Er, actually, what firmware is this?
Mar 14 03:45:11 <Jadefalcon> Unslung 6.8 beta
Mar 14 03:45:15 <mwester> Oh, unslung.
Mar 14 03:45:30 <Jadefalcon> Would it be better to use a full linux distro on this?
Mar 14 03:45:44 <mwester> Yeah, all bets are off on that - Linksys modified the kernel to hardwire devices to the ports.
Mar 14 03:46:06 <mwester> You'd be far better off with any other distro if you want full functionality on all the ports.
Mar 14 03:46:13 <Jadefalcon> Ahhh..  ok well that answers that then.....
Mar 14 03:46:45 <Jadefalcon> Is there anyone you could recommend to someone who has played with linux several years ago but never got far into it??  
Mar 14 03:47:22 <mwester> Firmware?
Mar 14 03:47:30 <Jadefalcon> All I need is for a small webserver,  3 shared drives and irshell
Mar 14 03:47:37 <Jadefalcon> Yeah firmware not a person
Mar 14 03:47:40 <Jadefalcon> lol
Mar 14 03:47:58 <mwester> Dunno what irshell is -- is that available with optware?
Mar 14 03:48:41 <Jadefalcon> It is a PSP game server.  I don't believe it is available with optware, but installation shouldn't be that hard for it.
Mar 14 03:48:56 <mwester> I'm rather partial to SlugOS, and prefer SlugOS/BE myself, but Debian isn't a terrible choice at all.
Mar 14 03:49:26 * mwester looks around to see if there are any angry Debian supporters with axes about...
Mar 14 03:49:38 <Jadefalcon> Run run for the hills!
Mar 14 03:50:07 <Jadefalcon> Ok... what is the real difference between slugos and slugos/be?
Mar 14 03:50:58 <mwester> I rather like Unslung as well, but its limitations are becoming rather more obvious as it is stuck on the old Linksys kernel, and newer devices dont' always have support.
Mar 14 03:51:11 <mwester> SlugOS is the distro, it is available in both LE and BE
Mar 14 03:51:27 <mwester> LE / BE refers to processor endianness; the ARM can operate in both.
Mar 14 03:51:45 <Jadefalcon> Is there any speed difference in them?? or just compile differences?
Mar 14 03:51:59 <mwester> It's a religious war more than anything at this point, but there are no proven performance issues.
Mar 14 03:52:14 <Jadefalcon> Ahhh ok..  
Mar 14 03:52:15 <mwester> There are more SlugOS/BE installations that L
Mar 14 03:52:18 <mwester> E
Mar 14 03:52:29 <mwester> s/that LE/than LE
Mar 14 03:52:49 <mwester> Debian is LE, for example.  Unslung is BE.
Mar 14 03:52:56 <mwester> SlugOS can be either.
Mar 14 03:53:09 <mwester> Just to make sure everyone is thoroughly confuzzled, of course.
Mar 14 03:53:16 <Jadefalcon> I happen to like the look and ease of the unslung as well, but that port limitation is gonna get me.
Mar 14 03:53:26 <mwester> You could use a hub.
Mar 14 03:53:29 <Jadefalcon> Ohh of course... It wouldn't be a linux distro with out it.
Mar 14 03:54:24 <Jadefalcon> I thought about useing a hub but wanted something a little more compact.  that and i'm outa power ports on my surge protectors. and my girlfriend won't let me put any more in.  at least not there.
Mar 14 03:54:51 <mwester> You could get a new girlfriend.
Mar 14 03:55:09 <Jadefalcon> Something about a cisco 5000 and 2 VOIP boxes and 2 wireless routers plus a 2 different switches.
Mar 14 03:55:34 <Jadefalcon> Yeah been thinking about that,  but not haveing to clean or cook or do laundry really kinda helps her case.
Mar 14 03:56:29 <mwester> Hmmm....  that's a problem then.  Of course, you need to watch out for the power budget on the NSLU2.  It doesn't have enough to power a lot of stuff, and the power supply is not the best in the world (being kind)
Mar 14 03:57:50 <mwester> It would be theoretically possible to modify the kernel for Unslung to assign sda, sdb, and sdc onwards differently.  But I don't have any slugs with the extra USB ports wired up.
Mar 14 03:58:08 <Jadefalcon> one port is for a thumb drive 2 ports are for usb powered hdd and one port for an external powered hdd
Mar 14 03:58:30 <mwester> even one usb-powered disk is pushing it.
Mar 14 03:59:02 <Jadefalcon> it was running both of them for 48 hours straight with no hickups.  I tested it :)
Mar 14 03:59:17 <mwester> The NSLU2 is wired directly through to the USB ports, there is no limiting circuitry.  So if a device sucks too much power, it will kill the NSLU2.
Mar 14 03:59:26 <mwester> Happens rather a lot, really.
Mar 14 03:59:56 <Jadefalcon> I don't have a problem with wireing up a beefier pws for it.  
Mar 14 04:00:16 <Jadefalcon> But for testing right now i'm just useing my thumb drive and 1 usb powered hdd
Mar 14 04:00:25 <mwester> That might be a good idea.  But I'm still not sure that the power regulator in the NSLU2 can take more than 1.5 A
Mar 14 04:01:14 <Jadefalcon> would it be possible to add an extra regulator circuit for a little more juice to the extra hdd?
Mar 14 04:02:23 <mwester> Better to just externally power the disk from a beefier supply.
Mar 14 04:02:33 <Jadefalcon> Actually I could always wire it up to a extra powered usb cord.  then it wouldn't add extra heat to the inside.
Mar 14 04:02:54 <Jadefalcon> Can do that.
Mar 14 04:03:19 <mwester> Watch out for the power feeding *back* into the NSLU2 then.
Mar 14 04:03:19 <Jadefalcon> Any special considerations with useing SlugOS/BE?
Mar 14 04:03:33 <Jadefalcon> A simple diode would fix that.
Mar 14 04:03:46 <mwester> Yep, wish Linksys put one in.
Mar 14 04:03:52 <Jadefalcon> actually 2 one for power and one for ground.
Mar 14 04:04:19 <mwester> I think you can (should) leave ground connected...
Mar 14 04:04:23 <Jadefalcon> Well they did about everything else right with this box.  
Mar 14 04:04:37 <Jadefalcon> You never said you wanted a perfect box, just one that works..
Mar 14 04:05:12 <mwester> They did lots right.  It's kinda sad they never created a "linux" version of it (like they did for the routers).  I'd have paid extra for one with 4 USBs, dual serial ports, and a few of the other simple mods.
Mar 14 04:05:52 <mwester> But I have five of them, so clearly they work pretty well. :)
Mar 14 04:06:01 <Jadefalcon> Yeah it woulda been one of the best devices of the year.
Mar 14 04:06:21 <Jadefalcon> I've just recently gotten my first one.  Haven't seen a need for the serial port yet.
Mar 14 04:06:24 <mwester> Re: SlugOS - just install it and play with it; that's the best way to figure out if that's the firmware that will do it for you, or if you need to reconsider.
Mar 14 04:07:12 <Jadefalcon> Well I figured out pretty well how to reflash from a bad flash the other night.  I was installing OpenWRT on it and it didn't take for some reason.
Mar 14 04:07:17 <Jadefalcon> keept giving me a red light.
Mar 14 04:08:01 <mwester> Well, that's where a serial port would have helped!
Mar 14 04:08:33 <Jadefalcon> Yeah probably,   But I did get it back into recovery mode.  then re uploaded the linksys firmware.
Mar 14 04:56:30 <Jadefalcon> ok..... now here is a problem...  I just tried flashing SlugOS/BE and got the same thing as when I tried Kamakazi.
Mar 14 04:56:34 <Jadefalcon> a red light nothing else.
Mar 14 12:57:56 <x29a> hi rio, hows your debian install on your slug going?
Mar 14 14:16:56 <willyb99> is an active partition the same a "boot flag on"
Mar 14 18:57:41 <slack---line> anyone had success with installing getting Gentoo installed on an external HD and booting from it?
Mar 14 19:13:50 <rio> slack---line: really booting from usb or booting the kernel from flash and having root on usb?
Mar 14 19:46:25 <Jadefalcon> Hello all anyone on?
Mar 14 20:09:06 <janne-5011> hi
Mar 14 20:09:15 <Jadefalcon> Hello.
Mar 14 20:09:36 <Jadefalcon> I have a couple questions about the custom firmware if possible.
Mar 14 20:09:48 <janne-5011> just ask
Mar 14 20:10:32 <Jadefalcon> I have tried installing OpenWRT and SlugOS/BE and get the same errors with them.  When the system reboots it just has a red flashing light.
Mar 14 20:10:59 <Jadefalcon> I can install unslung with no problem. even porting it to an external usb. no problem.
Mar 14 20:13:31 <Jadefalcon> I cannot seem to understand what is going wrong.  I can always seem to put the system into recovery mode and reflash though
Mar 14 20:15:21 <janne-5011> Jadefalcon I duuno. wait in channel hopefully some here can help you with that.
Mar 14 20:16:07 <Jadefalcon> Hmm... ok thanks.
Mar 14 20:35:05 <ido-> hey 
Mar 14 20:35:07 <ido-> all
Mar 14 20:35:09 <ido-> hrm.
Mar 14 20:35:15 <ido-> hey eno
Mar 14 20:35:18 <ido-> goodday
Mar 14 20:37:36 <eno> hi ido-
Mar 14 20:37:55 <ido-> i've just finished installing LE
Mar 14 20:38:17 <eno> cool, now you can tell us whether xmlrpc-c works
Mar 14 20:38:28 <ido-> how can I tell which options you used to build rtorrent ?
Mar 14 20:38:51 <ido-> that is, if you used the --xmlrpc-c flag
Mar 14 20:39:51 <eno> optware rtorrent 0.8.0 ipk from feeds are all built with xmlrpc-c
Mar 14 20:40:12 <eno> see optware/make/rtorrent.mk
Mar 14 20:40:25 <ido-> okay, thats a start
Mar 14 20:40:36 <ido-> when i add the scgi module to lighttpd
Mar 14 20:40:43 <ido-> shouldnt it open the port set with it ?
Mar 14 20:40:52 <ido-> because netstat doesnt show it open
Mar 14 20:41:03 <ido-> no errors either
Mar 14 20:41:52 <eno> have you added scgi_port or scgi_local line to ~/.rtorrent.rc ?
Mar 14 20:42:20 <ido-> yeah
Mar 14 20:42:31 <ido-> well,  it doesnt have to do with rtorrent
Mar 14 20:42:42 <ido-> since i'm only talking about the lighttpd server.
Mar 14 20:42:57 <eno> if you've added that, and rtorrent will tell you whether rtorrent is ready
Mar 14 20:43:20 <ido-> rtorrent gives me a 'rtorrent: Fault occured while inserting xmlrpc call.'
Mar 14 20:43:47 <ido-> but i think thats because it cant reach port 5000
Mar 14 20:44:10 <eno> ok, it's not working then
Mar 14 20:44:26 <eno> lighttpd is xmlrpc client
Mar 14 20:44:33 <eno> rtorrent is xmlrpc server
Mar 14 20:44:36 <ido-> oh..
Mar 14 20:44:44 <ido-> i wasnt aware of that
Mar 14 20:44:53 <ido-> i thought it worked the other way around
Mar 14 20:44:54 <eno> the expected result should be "XMLRPC initialized with 409 functions."
Mar 14 20:45:32 <ido-> hrm.
Mar 14 20:45:50 <ido-> i've read somewhere that it might be a problem with the 0.8 build
Mar 14 20:45:51 <eno> remote GUI is http client, and lighttpd is http server
Mar 14 20:46:06 <ido-> i'm not sure its fixed on svn
Mar 14 20:46:17 <ido-> but it has been said to work with 0.7.9
Mar 14 20:46:27 <ido-> can i get that version from feed ?
Mar 14 20:47:06 <eno> ah, if that's the case, one can build it
Mar 14 20:47:19 <ido-> hrm. would it take ages to build it on the slug ?
Mar 14 20:47:52 <eno> yes, unless you have a distcc setup to offload compilation to other PC
Mar 14 20:48:10 <ido-> nope.
Mar 14 20:48:34 <ido-> do you have a build env. set up already ?
Mar 14 20:48:46 <eno> yes i do
Mar 14 20:48:58 <ido-> mind to give it a go when you have time ?
Mar 14 20:49:08 <ido-> btw, i think people with debian/slug run it
Mar 14 20:49:11 <ido-> so it should be working
Mar 14 20:49:31 <eno> i'll give it a shot tonight or tomorrow
Mar 14 20:49:43 <eno> i can only test slugosbe
Mar 14 20:52:31 <ido-> http://www.cybel.be/
Mar 14 20:52:35 <ido-> http://osix.net/modules/article/?id=827
Mar 14 20:52:53 <ido-> Some people have asked me to build a XML-RPC enabled version of rTorrent. The problem is that XML-RPC on Debian Etch (and even on Sid) is outdated and that rTorrent needs a fairly new version of XML-RPC in order to run properly.
Mar 14 20:52:58 <ido-> I compiled an xml-rpc-c package from SVN. It was compiled with ./configure --disablecplusplus (useless for rTorrent and gives a half-sized .deb), from SVN revision 1267.
Mar 14 21:05:00 <eno> where do you see 0.8.0 rtorrent xmlrpc can be worked around with 0.7.9?
Mar 14 21:05:42 <ido-> http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ticket/1244
Mar 14 21:06:18 <ido-> i'm not sure its because of 0.8.0, i just said i read people said it worked with 0.7.9
Mar 14 21:07:02 <ido-> i've just asked that on #rtorrent
Mar 14 21:07:07 <ido-> waiting for an answer
Mar 14 21:09:21 <eno> i have debian slug, and /opt/bin/rtorrent 0.8.0 starts with xmlrpc fine
Mar 14 21:10:04 <eno> see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OptwareRtorrentOnDebian
Mar 14 21:25:06 <willyb99> so what are my web server options with debian-slug?
Mar 14 21:25:27 <Jadefalcon> There is a lot.
Mar 14 21:25:36 <ido-> which version of xmlrpc eno  ?
Mar 14 21:25:47 <Jadefalcon> I found a link to a compairision.  Let me try to find it real quick.
Mar 14 21:26:28 <eno> ido-: 1.11.00
Mar 14 21:26:46 <ido-> weird
Mar 14 21:27:01 <ido-> < __henke__> well, as the ticket said, it can be a bug in that xmlrpc version. i did only try a old xmlrpc version, i dont know how the current version works
Mar 14 21:27:38 <ido-> what versions of libtorrent and rtorrent ?
Mar 14 21:28:49 <Jadefalcon> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/ComparingWebServers
Mar 14 21:29:05 <Jadefalcon> That should help with a few of the options willyb99
Mar 14 21:29:12 <eno> ido-: see http://www.mediamax.com/bzhou/Hosted/optware/cs04q3armel
Mar 14 21:29:38 <Jadefalcon> Maybe someone can help me with install problems with SlugOS and OpenWRT
Mar 14 21:37:38 <mwester> What problems might those be?
Mar 14 21:37:41 <ido-> hrm.
Mar 14 21:38:27 <Jadefalcon> When I load those os's onto my slug after reboot it just goes to a red power light. and no responce out of it over the network.
Mar 14 21:38:41 <ido-> well, seems the only change in revisions is libtorrent 0.12.0-2 and 0.12.0-1
Mar 14 21:39:00 <mwester> Ok.  What are you using to do the firmware install?
Mar 14 21:39:03 <Jadefalcon> I can load unslung just fine with no problems. and can flash between it and the linksys firmware at will.
Mar 14 21:39:10 <Jadefalcon> the sercomm utility
Mar 14 21:39:31 <mwester> Ah, ok.  That's rather interesting.  What is installed upon it at this moment?
Mar 14 21:39:48 <Jadefalcon> unslung
Mar 14 21:40:20 <mwester> Can you login to the device, and tell me what the output from "ifconfig -a" looks like?
Mar 14 21:42:04 <willyb99> thanks jade
Mar 14 21:42:15 <Jadefalcon> np willyb
Mar 14 21:42:35 <Jadefalcon> What part do you need to know mwester?
Mar 14 21:42:57 <mwester> IP address and mac address
Mar 14 21:43:38 <Jadefalcon> ip is 192.168.1.50 mac is 00:04:5A:0F:91:C5
Mar 14 21:43:52 <mwester> Ok.  both valid.
Mar 14 21:44:11 <Jadefalcon> no errors or dropped packets
Mar 14 21:44:28 <mwester> On the web gui, can you go ahead and reset the unit to factory defaults?
Mar 14 21:45:25 <mwester> Er, actually it's easier to just hold the reset button in for 30 seconds or so.
Mar 14 21:45:44 <Jadefalcon> ok reseting
Mar 14 21:46:31 <willyb99> the n2lu2-linux site is hard to naviagate
Mar 14 21:46:39 <Jadefalcon> ok it beeped at me
Mar 14 21:46:45 <Jadefalcon> Yeah it can be at times.
Mar 14 21:46:47 <mwester> Good, that reset everything.
Mar 14 21:47:09 <mwester> Then flash the firmware -- go for the 4.8 SlugOS .bin file
Mar 14 21:47:27 <Jadefalcon> Ok got it downloaded.
Mar 14 21:48:27 <mwester> Sercomm is flashing it?
Mar 14 21:49:28 <Jadefalcon> As we speak it is flashing it.
Mar 14 21:50:03 <mwester> Nothing plugged in but power and network?
Mar 14 21:50:13 <Jadefalcon> nothing at all.
Mar 14 21:53:46 <mwester> Once sercomm finishes, it should begin to reboot - unplug the network cable as soon as the flashing is complete.
Mar 14 21:56:02 <Jadefalcon> ok rebooted and sitting with a red light at me.
Mar 14 21:56:13 <mwester> Any beeps?
Mar 14 21:56:17 <Jadefalcon> nope.
Mar 14 21:56:19 <Jadefalcon> no beeps
Mar 14 21:59:22 <mwester> What is the specific filename that you flashed to the device?
Mar 14 21:59:39 * mwester builds his own images...
Mar 14 21:59:45 <Jadefalcon> slugosbe-4.8-beta-nslu2.bin
Mar 14 22:00:03 <Jadefalcon> which I downloaded from nslu2-linux website.  
Mar 14 22:00:17 <Jadefalcon> Doesn't have access to build own images
Mar 14 22:00:22 <Jadefalcon> :)
Mar 14 22:01:10 <mwester> Whats the md5sum for that file?
Mar 14 22:01:35 <Jadefalcon> Don't know.  let me find it real quick
Mar 14 22:01:51 <mwester> 4c9e34870473d07a706052f6678bad30
Mar 14 22:04:15 <Jadefalcon> it checks ok.
Mar 14 22:04:47 <mwester> ok.  Press the reset button briefly, and describe what happens (if anything)
Mar 14 22:05:39 <Jadefalcon> nothing.
Mar 14 22:05:45 <Jadefalcon> no change at all in the lights.
Mar 14 22:07:25 <mwester> And what's the sequence in the lights if you pull the power completely, then power it back up?
Mar 14 22:07:55 <Jadefalcon> amber
Mar 14 22:08:27 <Jadefalcon> cycle green amber red on the power while alternateing the usb port lights then it goes red
Mar 14 22:08:33 <Jadefalcon> no boot beep
Mar 14 22:11:05 <mwester> Very strange indeed.
Mar 14 22:11:40 <Jadefalcon> What should it do at this point and what should I do at this point if it worked correctly?
Mar 14 22:12:39 <Jadefalcon> Could it be because it is an old unit?  I bought it brand new but it was underclocked from the factory still.
Mar 14 22:13:03 <mwester> No, there's never been a unit that didn't work the same.
Mar 14 22:13:08 <Jadefalcon> Hmm...
Mar 14 22:14:18 <mwester> The only thing I can think of at this point is to reset the sysconf partition using redboot (although the reset button should have done that from the Unslung firmware).
Mar 14 22:15:13 <Jadefalcon> Might it be better to just try a different unit?
Mar 14 22:15:41 <Jadefalcon> Put stock linksys back on it and try a different one?
Mar 14 22:15:46 <mwester> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ResetSysConf
Mar 14 22:16:06 <mwester> Well, you could try another one, of course.  But that won't explain what's happened to this one.
Mar 14 22:22:32 <Jadefalcon> Ok I'm going offline to telnet into redboot.  be back in a few
Mar 14 22:36:38 <pear> ok
Mar 14 22:56:27 <Jadefalcon> Ok i'm back.
Mar 14 22:56:53 <Jadefalcon> Still haveing no luck.
Mar 14 23:01:51 <yaustar> Hi, I have just installed OpenWRT on my SLUG and I can't access my System->Settings page in X wrt. Does anyone know what could be wrong or if I can factory reset the firmware?
Mar 14 23:02:20 <Jadefalcon> Do you have a red light for your power led?
Mar 14 23:02:44 <yaustar> No, amber
Mar 14 23:03:10 <Jadefalcon> I've heard of others haveing an amber light and it still working ok on OpenWRT.
Mar 14 23:03:25 <Jadefalcon> can I ask how you installed yours.  I cannot get it to install right on mine.
Mar 14 23:03:55 <yaustar> Via the linksys 'Update firmware' webpage
Mar 14 23:04:51 <Jadefalcon> Hmm.... ok.. it doesn't work right for me..
Mar 14 23:05:06 <Jadefalcon> but I can get other custom firmwares to.
Mar 14 23:46:02 <Jadefalcon> Anyone else on?
Mar 14 23:48:10 <MrWGW> good afternoon
Mar 14 23:48:22 <MrWGW> is there any support for the NAS200 yet?
Mar 14 23:48:27 <Jadefalcon> Good afternoon to you too MrWGW
Mar 14 23:48:36 <MrWGW> I'm trying to decide if I want to buy a NAS200 or try to find an NSLU2
Mar 14 23:48:55 <Jadefalcon> Not that i've heard but I have only been looking at the nslu2
Mar 14 23:49:06 <MrWGW> what would really be awesome would be an ultra small form factor x86 PC that supported PoE
Mar 14 23:50:14 <Jadefalcon> No.  that wouldn't be cool.  that would be the holy grail.  
Mar 14 23:50:29 <Jadefalcon> as long as it had gigabit ethernet
Mar 14 23:55:59 <MrWGW> hmm yes it would be
Mar 14 23:56:25 <Jadefalcon> Could some of my not being able to flash custom firmware problems be related to the slug always auto powering on?
Mar 15 00:49:04 <mwester> Jadefalcon:  what do you mean by auto powering on?
Mar 15 01:19:52 <pear> i wish my slug auto-powered on :|
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