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Apr 15 03:02:06 <scant> mwester: hi
Apr 15 04:59:16 <Smurf-Slayer> Mwester - Is everything logged?  I went through all of Feb and March and I only found my name a couple of times?  Am I doing something wrong?
Apr 15 15:44:36 <PPmarcel> hello
Apr 15 15:47:37 <PPmarcel> i try to finish a tutorial about slugOS/BE, but i don't find many clues about how optimise a flash drive
Apr 15 15:47:41 <Dinkers> What's up everybody. 
Apr 15 15:48:03 <PPmarcel> some persons here knows where i could find some docs?
Apr 15 15:51:44 <Dinkers> How do I umount my usb unit? I am using unslung. 
Apr 15 15:55:45 <drif> Dinkers: do you know which /dev/ or mount-point to umount?
Apr 15 16:01:54 <Dinkers> I am not sure when I am typing fdisk -l. It don't get anything in return. But the mount point (automaticly) is /share/flash/data/HDD_2_1_1/
Apr 15 16:11:36 <PPmarcel> so "umount /share/flash/data/HDD_2_1_1/"
Apr 15 16:12:06 <PPmarcel> if you want to see what device is mounted where, you can try df
Apr 15 16:12:16 <PPmarcel> or df -h if you want see sizes
Apr 15 16:12:28 <Dinkers> Yes that worked. wonder Why it didn't work before
Apr 15 16:13:00 <Dinkers> ok
Apr 15 16:13:05 <Dinkers> Do I always have to umount before unplugging?
Apr 15 16:13:26 <Dinkers> Will I damage the unit if i don't?
Apr 15 16:15:43 <Dinkers> how do I change the mount point to be more linux standard? like /mnt or /media?
Apr 15 16:15:55 <PPmarcel> you may lost data, or damage your filesystem (e.g. ext3)
Apr 15 16:16:15 <PPmarcel> you will need a few minutes at next start to checkdisk then, and fix errors
Apr 15 16:16:54 <PPmarcel> Dinkers: if you want change mounting point, umount the actual one, and manually mount the device where you want
Apr 15 16:17:31 <PPmarcel> look around /etc/fstab, in order to always mount a device at the same mount point
Apr 15 16:18:08 <PPmarcel> but i never tryed ;)
Apr 15 16:18:31 <PPmarcel> hum, yes i tryed, i always mount my home at each installation 
Apr 15 16:19:16 <PPmarcel> something like "/dev/sda3    /home       /ext3      default     0 0
Apr 15 16:20:14 <PPmarcel> but if you use sometimes some another devices, you may need it uuid, i could be better if you really want to assign them a mount point
Apr 15 16:20:16 <Dinkers> hmm. The thing is that when I type fdisk -l it doesn't give me any output
Apr 15 16:20:27 <PPmarcel> you need to be root
Apr 15 16:20:33 <PPmarcel> are you? :)
Apr 15 16:20:42 <Dinkers> Yes I am
Apr 15 16:21:07 <PPmarcel> that's so weird
Apr 15 16:21:22 <PPmarcel> and with fdisk?
Apr 15 16:21:29 <Dinkers> That's only important if i have a hub right?
Apr 15 16:21:46 <PPmarcel> fdisk?
Apr 15 16:22:40 <Dinkers> fdisk:
Apr 15 16:22:43 <Dinkers> bash-3.2# fdisk
Apr 15 16:22:44 <Dinkers> Usage: fdisk [-l] [-b SSZ] [-u] device
Apr 15 16:22:44 <Dinkers> E.g.: fdisk /dev/hda  (for the first IDE disk)
Apr 15 16:22:44 <Dinkers>   or: fdisk /dev/sdc  (for the third SCSI disk)
Apr 15 16:22:44 <Dinkers>   or: fdisk /dev/eda  (for the first PS/2 ESDI drive)
Apr 15 16:22:46 <Dinkers>   or: fdisk /dev/rd/c0d0  or: fdisk /dev/ida/c0d0  (for RAID devices)
Apr 15 16:22:48 <Dinkers>   ...
Apr 15 16:23:41 <eno> Dinkers:  "fdisk -l /dev/sda" ?
Apr 15 16:24:17 <Dinkers> yes. that worked
Apr 15 16:24:25 <PPmarcel> xD
Apr 15 16:24:45 <Dinkers> so I just add /dev/sda to /etc/fstab?
Apr 15 16:25:08 <Dinkers> and add a mount point and so on...
Apr 15 16:26:11 <eno> for unslung, especially /share/... i would not recommend change the mount point
Apr 15 16:26:12 <PPmarcel> yes :)
Apr 15 16:26:29 <PPmarcel> eno: tmpfs, is it ram?
Apr 15 16:27:29 <eno> think so
Apr 15 16:27:48 <Dinkers> ok thanks for the last second notis.
Apr 15 16:28:00 <Dinkers> I'll leave it as is then!
Apr 15 16:28:02 <Dinkers> :-)
Apr 15 16:28:06 <PPmarcel> and if i want that tmp, /var/tmp, /var/log te be monted in ram, i just have to put tmps as filesystem?
Apr 15 16:28:13 <PPmarcel> tmpfs*
Apr 15 16:28:20 <PPmarcel> bye bye Dinkers 
Apr 15 16:28:33 <Dinkers> bye thanks mate
Apr 15 16:29:48 <Dinkers> Thank you :-), a very generous offer.
Apr 15 16:29:56 <PPmarcel> ^^
Apr 15 16:30:03 <Dinkers> another question if anybody have the time.
Apr 15 16:30:06 <PPmarcel> don't feel pushed out
Apr 15 16:30:13 <Dinkers> Actually it's about time
Apr 15 16:31:52 <Dinkers> when i change the time. it goes back, after awhile to what it was. So i am always 6 hours behind with the slug
Apr 15 16:32:43 <eno> how did you change the time?
Apr 15 16:32:49 <Dinkers> that's great sometimes, like when i am late for dinner or so.
Apr 15 16:33:17 <eno> (nslu2 is called slug for a reason :-)
Apr 15 16:33:59 <Dinkers> date -s 18:33 (time given is just an example)
Apr 15 16:34:17 <ShadowJK> there's article on wiki about the time
Apr 15 16:34:19 <eno> ok, this changes system time
Apr 15 16:34:43 <Dinkers> :-)
Apr 15 16:34:58 <eno> there's also hwclock command
Apr 15 16:36:08 <Dinkers> well i have checked the fix the clock link but that is just an empty page
Apr 15 16:38:24 <Dinkers> I'm reading the help file for hwclock. What is the difference between hwclock and system clock?
Apr 15 16:38:59 <eno> hw == hardware, system refers to operating system
Apr 15 16:41:01 <Dinkers> which time is it that files are saved with? hwclock or system time?
Apr 15 16:41:41 <eno> system time
Apr 15 16:42:35 <Dinkers> so hwclock is interesting because?
Apr 15 16:42:47 <mwester> Dinkers:  did you set the correct time zone with the Linksys gui?
Apr 15 16:43:23 <mwester> If you did, then you should set the correct time with the Linksys GUI also, and it should ensure that the hwclock and systemclock are correct and syncronize them at that time.
Apr 15 16:43:48 <mwester> The hwclock survives shutdown (usually, if your battery is ok inside), and at boot the system clock is set from the hwclock.
Apr 15 16:44:28 <mwester> So if you just set the correct time with the Linux "date" command, and never use the hwclock command with the options to set the hardware clock, then it will simply restore the wrong time at each boot.
Apr 15 16:45:07 <Dinkers> mwester. once again. You are to this chat what yoda is to star wars!
Apr 15 16:45:13 <Dinkers> thanks
Apr 15 16:45:29 <Dinkers> but with better grammer
Apr 15 16:51:35 <Dinkers> how do i make crontab to run a service every sixth hour?
Apr 15 19:11:19 <NSLU2-IRC> hi all
Apr 15 19:13:05 <rackatack> hi all
Apr 15 19:20:02 <rackatack_> hello
Apr 15 20:45:03 <Martinp23> Hey all - I installed debian following <http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html>.  The system how seems to be hanging before completing boot - status light is orange.
Apr 15 20:45:21 <Reedy> Martinp23, omgz
Apr 15 20:45:24 <Martinp23> On looking at /var/log in the hd (mounted to this system now), there's nothing logged at all.
Apr 15 20:45:34 <Martinp23> Wha can I do :( ?
Apr 15 20:45:36 <Martinp23> omg Reedy 
Apr 15 20:45:40 <Reedy> You've installed it all fine?
Apr 15 20:45:53 <Martinp23> Yeah, thought so.  No hitches in the installation
Apr 15 20:45:59 <Reedy> Installed to what?
Apr 15 20:46:25 <Reedy> ie USB stick/hard drive/what?
Apr 15 20:46:32 <Martinp23> Hard drive
Apr 15 20:47:18 <Reedy> how long have you given it to try and boot
Apr 15 20:47:19 <Reedy> ?
Apr 15 20:47:27 <Martinp23> 5 mins ish?
Apr 15 20:47:47 <Reedy> should be more than enough - What other lights are on?
Apr 15 20:48:10 <Martinp23> ethernet, green.
Apr 15 20:48:16 <Martinp23> though the device isn't bisiable on network
Apr 15 20:48:32 <Reedy> probably hasnt got far enough yet tehn
Apr 15 20:49:06 <Martinp23> here's what happens: eth + status (orange), all green, back to eth + orange status, some hard drive action, nothing.
Apr 15 20:49:52 <Reedy> And you've only got 1 disk attached?
Apr 15 20:50:23 <Martinp23> yeah
Apr 15 20:50:29 <Martinp23> in slot: disk 2
Apr 15 20:50:45 <Reedy> In debian that makes little/no difference ;)
Apr 15 20:51:18 <Martinp23> ololk
Apr 15 20:51:35 <Reedy> works much more like a traditional linux system
Apr 15 20:53:31 <Reedy> Martinp23, hows your soldering skills? heh
Apr 15 20:53:43 * Martinp23 frowns loudly
Apr 15 20:54:01 <Reedy> That'd make life easy - serialising it, as you'd get an outpit
Apr 15 20:54:05 <Reedy> output
Apr 15 20:54:34 <Reedy> Chances are somethings gone wrong during install, it would seem...
Apr 15 20:54:52 <Reedy> You may just want to use upslug2 and reflash with either debian, or something else, check it boots, and take it from there
Apr 15 21:02:25 <Martinp23> Hmm yeah.
Apr 15 21:02:35 <Martinp23> Probably a job for tomorrow now...
Apr 15 21:23:49 * Reedy has cowsay on his NSLU2
Apr 15 21:26:11 * Martinp23 has cowsay on this server and is highly tempted to demonstrate it, but resists :p
Apr 15 21:26:27 <Reedy> lol
Apr 15 21:29:14 <eno> cowsay `fortune`
Apr 15 21:29:53 <Martinp23> fortune n'existe pas ici :(
Apr 15 21:30:03 <Martinp23> /exec -o cowsay `fortune`
Apr 15 21:30:22 <Martinp23> /bin/sh: fortune: command not found
Apr 15 21:30:31 <Reedy> fortune doesnt exist here... heh
Apr 15 21:30:39 <Reedy> 'lo eno
Apr 15 21:30:55 <eno> hi Reedy
Apr 15 21:31:14 <eno> will add cowsay to optware when i have some time
Apr 15 21:31:58 <Reedy> heh :)
Apr 15 21:33:32 <Reedy> Cant see there being too much to do, with it being a perl program...?
Apr 15 21:33:37 <Reedy> just checking for dependancies and such
Apr 15 21:33:42 <eno> right
Apr 15 21:34:13 <eno> we have fortune in bsdgames ipk
Apr 15 21:36:15 <eno> so optware/dns323 starts to have some users
Apr 15 21:36:23 * Reedy wonders if he'd be able to do the IPK for cowsay..
Apr 15 21:36:49 <eno> sure, go ahead
Apr 15 21:36:54 <janne-5011> i wait for cowsay=)
Apr 15 21:37:28 <eno> send the make/cowsay.mk to mailing list, and we will give you svn write access
Apr 15 21:37:52 * Reedy fires up his debian VM
Apr 15 21:38:25 <eno> look at make/ack.mk or make/colordiff.mk for examples
Apr 15 21:42:41 <Reedy> cheers :)
Apr 15 23:08:19 <DogBoy> just got my slug in the mail
Apr 15 23:09:15 <mwester> Squishy things, and a bit slimey for the mail, no?
Apr 15 23:10:14 <Reedy> maybe his garden really needed some, like, desperately?
Apr 15 23:12:52 <DogBoy> yea
Apr 15 23:17:31 <mwester> DogBoy:  used, or new?
Apr 15 23:17:40 <DogBoy> new
Apr 15 23:18:00 <mwester> Cool.  Can you say where; they're pretty hard to find anymore.
Apr 15 23:18:18 * Reedy mumbles that they are still in abundance at normal price in uk :(
Apr 15 23:18:46 <DogBoy> I got it thru amazon
Apr 15 23:18:55 <DogBoy> just went with what looked like the best deal
Apr 15 23:19:03 <DogBoy> should have got two
Apr 15 23:19:46 <mwester> I ordered a couple from TigerDirect; they cancelled the order when they ran out of stock. :(
Apr 15 23:19:53 <Reedy> :(
Apr 15 23:20:06 <Reedy> still about £60 shipped in the uk
Apr 15 23:20:15 <DogBoy> aren't they supposed to be getting more?
Apr 15 23:20:16 <mwester> I wanted 7 of them; I'll have to settle for just 5.
Apr 15 23:20:17 <DogBoy> ouch
Apr 15 23:20:51 <DogBoy> as soon as my brother saw it he wants one
Apr 15 23:20:56 <DogBoy> heh
Apr 15 23:22:33 <DogBoy> £60?
Apr 15 23:22:41 <DogBoy> that's rather expensive I think
Apr 15 23:22:46 <Reedy> ~ $120
Apr 15 23:23:12 <Reedy> eno, for cowsay.. theres nothing fancy that actually needs doing is there...? just copying files.. as theres no configuring/perl script to run or ought...
Apr 15 23:23:51 <DogBoy> with shipping mine was less than $60
Apr 15 23:23:54 <DogBoy> new
Apr 15 23:24:14 <Reedy> yeah, its a fricken rip off over here
Apr 15 23:24:38 <DogBoy> afk
Apr 15 23:27:14 <Reedy> presumably, using the format of the install.sh..
Apr 15 23:30:24 <eno> Reedy: make sure change the #! line from /usr/bin/perl to /opt/bin/perl
Apr 15 23:30:49 <eno> have it depend on perl, copy the man page as well
Apr 15 23:31:02 <Reedy> yeah
Apr 15 23:31:15 <eno> that pretty much should be it
Apr 15 23:32:15 <eno> on my ubuntu, there're also a couple of .cow files under /usr/share/cowsay/cows
Apr 15 23:32:36 <Reedy> yeah, in the source, theres quite a few in there
Apr 15 23:32:59 <eno> are these themes/skins ?
Apr 15 23:33:23 <Reedy> its ASCII art for the different cows and such
Apr 15 23:33:58 <eno> we should contribute an ASCII art of slug
Apr 15 23:34:00 <Reedy> heh, yeah :)
Apr 15 23:36:13 * mwester has no idea what a cowsay is, but since it seems to be of so much interest, he can't wait to "ipkg install cowsay" on his slug.
Apr 15 23:36:43 <Reedy> haha
Apr 15 23:37:01 <Reedy> it outputs an ASCII art cow with a speech/thought bubble
Apr 15 23:37:23 <mwester> And then what?
Apr 15 23:37:37 <Reedy> thats more-a-less it
Apr 15 23:37:45 <mwester> Oh.
Apr 15 23:38:07 <mwester> Like echo, but less efficient?
Apr 15 23:38:12 <Reedy> SLUG:~# cowsay Im running on a Debian NSLU2
Apr 15 23:38:12 <Reedy>  ______________________________
Apr 15 23:38:12 <Reedy> < Im running on a Debian NSLU2 >
Apr 15 23:38:12 <Reedy>  ------------------------------
Apr 15 23:38:12 <Reedy>         \   ^__^
Apr 15 23:38:13 <Reedy>          \  (oo)\_______
Apr 15 23:38:15 <Reedy>             (__)\       )\/\
Apr 15 23:38:17 <Reedy>                 ||----w |
Apr 15 23:38:19 <Reedy>                 ||     ||
Apr 15 23:38:34 <Reedy> SLUG:~# cowthink Im running on a Debian NSLU2
Apr 15 23:38:34 <Reedy>  ______________________________
Apr 15 23:38:34 <Reedy> ( Im running on a Debian NSLU2 )
Apr 15 23:38:34 <Reedy>  ------------------------------
Apr 15 23:38:34 <Reedy>         o   ^__^
Apr 15 23:38:35 <Reedy>          o  (oo)\_______
Apr 15 23:38:37 <Reedy>             (__)\       )\/\
Apr 15 23:38:41 <Reedy>                 ||----w |
Apr 15 23:38:43 <Reedy>                 ||     ||
Apr 15 23:38:51 <Reedy> sorta, yeah, i suppse
Apr 15 23:39:36 <mwester> I expect it would look better with a monospaced font, too.  ;)
Apr 15 23:39:44 <Reedy> heh
Apr 15 23:40:12 <eno> cowthink -f skin-name `fortune`
Apr 15 23:41:18 * eno generally is not into skinable GUI, but this is fun
Apr 15 23:41:23 <Reedy> :)
Apr 15 23:41:29 * Reedy suspects he can remove a lot of the stuff from the template.mk...
Apr 15 23:42:17 <eno> for cowsay.mk, sure
Apr 15 23:47:15 <Reedy> I should really look at it when im not tired
Apr 15 23:48:07 <Reedy> as all it needs to do is copy most of the files...
Apr 15 23:48:26 <Reedy> # This builds the IPK file.
Apr 15 23:48:31 <Reedy> which would be under that
Apr 15 23:49:17 <Reedy> most of the proceeding is uneeded
Apr 15 23:49:40 <eno> that's perfectly fine for a simple package like this
Apr 15 23:54:53 <Reedy> eno, http://pastebin.com/m5a1aeac7 - Is there anything else that can be removed (ie not needed at all)
Apr 15 23:55:01 <Reedy> (apart from the comments)
Apr 15 23:55:15 <Reedy> im suspecting there can..
Apr 15 23:55:30 <DogBoy> mwester what would you do with 7 slugs
Apr 15 23:55:40 <Reedy> he's a developer for one ;)
Apr 15 23:56:31 <Reedy> hmm.. im suspecting i've removd some stuff/not changed some stuff i needed to (looking at colordiff..)
Apr 15 23:56:31 <eno> looks fine as a starting point
Apr 16 00:08:31 * Reedy will try and do it when he's more awake/paying more attention
Apr 16 01:27:20 <DogBoy> how do I format the devices that are attached to the slug
Apr 16 01:27:43 <DogBoy> I'm looking at the faq and such but it doesn't seem clear to me
Apr 16 01:31:32 <Smurf-Slayer> Mwester - Is everything logged?  I went through all of Feb and March and I only found my name a couple of times?  Am I doing something wrong?
Apr 16 02:03:30 <hinkbot> i have unslung my slug to a jump drive.  is there a way to mount that share?  i have a rtorrent watch directory on the drive and would like to save the torrents there directly.
Apr 16 02:24:03 <mwester> Smurf-Slayer:  there are probably limits to how far the logs go back.  I don't know; I've never really checked.
Apr 16 02:24:59 <mwester> hinkbot:  the drive you unslung to will be shared as "ADMIN 1" or "ADMIN 2".  The /public directory on the drive will be shared as "DISK1" or "DISK 2" -- I recommend the latter.
Apr 16 02:25:58 <hinkbot> mwester: i tried both, however they are empty and i can't see any files/folders
Apr 16 02:26:44 <mwester> Both of which?
Apr 16 02:26:52 <mwester> (there are four) 
Apr 16 02:27:40 <hinkbot> nevermind, i overlooked /public
Apr 16 02:27:54 <hinkbot> that's exactly what i was looking for...many thanks!
Apr 16 02:27:59 <mwester> np
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