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Apr 17 04:26:28 <goodtimes> is anyone here?
Apr 17 04:26:45 <scant> i am
Apr 17 04:26:51 <scant> but i'm not an expert
Apr 17 04:26:51 <DogBoy> I'm not
Apr 17 04:27:42 <goodtimes> my nslu2 keeps resetting the root password
Apr 17 04:27:49 <goodtimes> it will work for a few days unslung
Apr 17 04:28:10 <goodtimes> but then will stop responding to the root username/password
Apr 17 04:28:15 <goodtimes> and I have to unsling again
Apr 17 04:28:18 <goodtimes> and start over
Apr 17 04:28:34 <DogBoy> are you moving stuff around on the usb
Apr 17 04:28:50 <goodtimes> no
Apr 17 04:29:02 <DogBoy> and what's on there
Apr 17 04:29:18 <goodtimes> 1 slot is a usb stick and the other is a 400gb drive
Apr 17 04:29:39 <goodtimes> it is unslung with ssh on it only
Apr 17 04:29:53 <goodtimes> I have only had it up for a few days
Apr 17 04:34:18 <scant> i can't find 'nice' on SlugOS/BE
Apr 17 05:00:10 <eno> scant: coreutils has nice
Apr 17 10:17:07 <yaustar> I am currently running Unslung 6.10 unslung to a HDD, if I flash my firmware to SlugOS, will it format my HDD when I unsling again?
Apr 17 11:30:53 <Caelian> anyone in here has any experience with angstrom on NSLU2 ?
Apr 17 12:36:46 <gamera_> can anyone recommend a lite mailing list manager?
Apr 17 12:59:29 <mwester> yaustar:  It will not format your disk, but it will require that you "turnup" (instead of unsling) to the disk, so you'll have to have something to do that with.
Apr 17 13:00:16 <yaustar> Cheers
Apr 17 19:12:48 <thermadyn> Has anybody had any experience with jamvm or sablevm?  I'm trying to get MindTerm working on my slug and I'd like to know of people's experiences with java engines
Apr 17 19:28:28 <joshin> That sounds painful.
Apr 17 19:28:50 <joshin> Java on a 32MB device.  Yikes.
Apr 17 19:29:32 <ShadowJK> heh
Apr 17 19:29:37 * Reedy wonders why you'd need a java ssh client
Apr 17 19:29:37 <ShadowJK> java runs on lego even...
Apr 17 19:29:52 <thermadyn> I thought of that.  That's why I'm hoping that jamvm is particularly stripped down.
Apr 17 19:29:56 <ShadowJK> but mindterm on slug sounds like a bad idea
Apr 17 19:29:59 <joshin> Which legos?  The 4x2 bricks or the 2x2 ones?
Apr 17 19:30:09 <ShadowJK> the mindstorm ones
Apr 17 19:30:14 <Reedy> that is true
Apr 17 19:30:16 <joshin> Ooh, even better.
Apr 17 19:30:35 <ShadowJK> Especially considering there are native ssh clients available..
Apr 17 19:30:57 <Reedy> exactamon
Apr 17 19:31:02 <Reedy> seems a bit of wasting resources
Apr 17 19:31:29 <eno> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/UseJavaOnTheSlug
Apr 17 19:31:46 <ShadowJK> mindterm is GUI, I guess, but trying to run GUI stuff from a slug, that doesn't have its own display device anyway, sounds like double bad idea :)
Apr 17 19:32:20 <joshin> You could run a vncserver on it.  Maybe go with KDE so it looks good.
Apr 17 19:32:29 <joshin> Because at 1FPS, you're going to be watching it alot.
Apr 17 19:32:38 <Reedy> hah
Apr 17 19:32:40 <thermadyn> AHA!  I think I misunderstood - the java engine needs to be on the client's side, not the servers - the webserver only need serve up the .jar file.
Apr 17 19:32:47 <Reedy> lol
Apr 17 19:32:51 <thermadyn> I'm a moron.
Apr 17 19:32:52 <joshin> :)
Apr 17 19:32:54 <Reedy> that sounds more plausible
Apr 17 19:32:54 <Reedy> ;)
Apr 17 19:32:58 <joshin> thermadyn: We all are at times.
Apr 17 19:32:59 <ShadowJK> indeed
Apr 17 19:33:09 <Reedy> so literally needs to sit in a directory of your webserver
Apr 17 19:33:14 <Reedy> maybe getting it on a webpage
Apr 17 19:33:15 <eno> plenty of web servers for the slug
Apr 17 19:33:41 <thermadyn> oh yeah, the webserver thing's a piece of cake.  Lightty rocks!
Apr 17 19:34:01 <Reedy> thermadyn, maybe for shits and giggles, try putting java on the NSLU2 ;)
Apr 17 19:34:11 <thermadyn> hehe.
Apr 17 19:34:49 <eno> well, CVM is not *that* bad
Apr 17 19:34:52 <joshin> Reedy: Why do I get the feeling that you're the kinda guy that would run Amax on his amiga 500 to emulate a Mac and then run SoftPC on the emulated Mac to emulate a PC?
Apr 17 19:34:57 <joshin> Oh wait, that was me.  ;)
Apr 17 19:35:01 <Reedy> haha
Apr 17 19:35:11 <Reedy> joshin, i had C# 2.0 console pong on my NSLU2 over ssh...
Apr 17 19:35:13 <Reedy> *cough*
Apr 17 19:35:24 <Reedy> which i made it compile itself first ;)
Apr 17 19:37:18 <joshin> :)
Apr 17 19:37:39 <joshin> But are you running Gentoo on your slug?  
Apr 17 19:37:48 <Reedy> i was gonna say, you're the one doing that
Apr 17 19:37:49 <Reedy> No..
Apr 17 19:37:52 <joshin> ;)
Apr 17 19:38:15 <Reedy> If my unslung one would let me flash it via upslug2 (or over the damn network) i'd try something else on it
Apr 17 19:38:24 <Reedy> but its destined to stay on unslung 6.8 it seems
Apr 17 19:38:29 <joshin> I still need to paint one of my slugs yellow.
Apr 17 19:38:31 <thermadyn> actually, according to the notes at the end of eno's HOWTO, some dude's got jamvm, sablevm and kaffe all working on the same server.
Apr 17 19:38:34 <Reedy> haha
Apr 17 19:38:44 * Reedy hopes for NSLU2 price drops in the UK
Apr 17 19:38:44 <thermadyn> that's a dedicated java coder.
Apr 17 19:38:57 <Reedy> or just someone with a lot of time on their hands..
Apr 17 19:39:28 <joshin> I am tempted to try Free/Open/Net BSD on a slug.  But laziness might prevail.
Apr 17 19:39:37 <Reedy> heh
Apr 17 19:40:32 <joshin> Depends on if 2.6.25 fixes that kernel memory bug where the USB storage driver gets paged out on loaded systems.
Apr 17 19:41:50 <PPmarcel> Reedy: i found an another embedded device which had 2 usb ports, 1 RJ45, and an hardware alsmot same as nslu2 one, but it was over 100â‚E. I doubt you can find better at linksys's price, so droping is a pure dream =)
Apr 17 19:42:09 <PPmarcel> 100E
Apr 17 19:42:14 <Reedy> E?
Apr 17 19:42:17 <PPmarcel> euro
Apr 17 19:42:20 <Reedy> ah
Apr 17 19:42:28 <PPmarcel> utf-8 don't works with me :)
Apr 17 19:42:30 <Reedy> lol
Apr 17 19:42:37 <Reedy> in the UK they are still the same price as htey always was  - £55, so $110 US
Apr 17 19:42:55 <PPmarcel> in france it's around 75E
Apr 17 19:43:03 <PPmarcel> E european :)
Apr 17 19:44:37 <thermadyn> you can get one on ebay for $47.44
Apr 17 19:44:51 <Reedy> still rip of britain
Apr 17 19:44:57 <Reedy> you can get one for nearly as many dollars
Apr 17 20:06:18 <thermadyn> MindTerm's jar works as expected.  Thanks, guys =).
Apr 17 21:00:11 <luv2chill> hi guys, any slug gurus in here? :)
Apr 17 21:01:18 <Reedy> mebbe
Apr 17 21:01:23 <luv2chill> i bought a couple refurb slugs and unslung one of them the other day, but it keeps hanging... not sure if that's a hardware issue or not.
Apr 17 21:01:32 * Reedy wonders where CapBot is :(
Apr 17 21:01:37 <luv2chill> heh
Apr 17 21:01:55 <luv2chill> i suppose i should check the faq first
Apr 17 21:02:36 <luv2chill> thing is, the thing actually had frozen up even before I unslung it (the unslung fw was loaded, but in the stock state without any drives connected)
Apr 17 21:02:54 <luv2chill> all I wanna do is use the thing as a svn server
Apr 17 21:03:10 <luv2chill> so I was trying to ipkg install svn, and it would freeze up while installing various packages
Apr 17 21:03:26 <luv2chill> at different steps each time
Apr 17 21:04:03 <luv2chill> finally after about the 3rd time it installed... but when I came back to work this morning, it had frozen up again (could not telnet nor access the web interface)
Apr 17 21:04:43 <luv2chill> my suspicion is the thing has a hardware problem, but not being too savvy with these things I wondered if there was any precedent of that behavior
Apr 17 21:05:06 <luv2chill> in any case I will try unslinging the other one I bought to see if it behaves any differently
Apr 17 21:25:37 <joshin> luv2chill: has that slug been overclocked?
Apr 17 21:25:52 <joshin> or more accurately, un-underclocked?
Apr 17 21:26:42 <luv2chill> joshin: not by me... I literally took it out of the box and immediately flashed the unslung firmware to it
Apr 17 21:27:02 <luv2chill> now i suppose it is possible that it had been overclocked by its previous owner and then rma'd
Apr 17 21:27:29 <luv2chill> but rather than disassemble the case and look i might as well have linksys replace it if there is a hardware problem with it
Apr 17 21:27:38 <luv2chill> it has a 90 day warranty
Apr 17 21:27:41 <joshin> luv2chill: Just a thought...  You could see if it is getting too hot.  Do you have any devices that are drawing power from the slug?
Apr 17 21:27:57 <joshin> Could be drawing too much for the power supply.
Apr 17 21:28:13 <luv2chill> a Corsair 16GB USB flash drive that I bought for the sole purpose of storing all the svn repositories
Apr 17 21:28:21 <luv2chill> prob draws a bit of power ;)
Apr 17 21:28:34 <luv2chill> that is the only thing connected
Apr 17 21:28:39 <luv2chill> it is on port 1
Apr 17 21:28:51 <joshin> Nah, shouldn't be that much.  
Apr 17 21:28:56 <luv2chill> ah ok
Apr 17 21:29:05 <joshin> What version of UnSlung?
Apr 17 21:29:18 <luv2chill> Unslung-6.10-beta-firmware
Apr 17 21:29:20 * joshin is not an unslung expert
Apr 17 21:29:41 <luv2chill> no problem... like I said I should probably try the same steps on the other slug to see if I see the same behavior
Apr 17 21:29:55 <joshin> Yup.
Apr 17 21:30:07 <joshin> I run SlugOS and or Gentoo on my slugs.
Apr 17 21:31:59 <luv2chill> yeah i'm not enough of a linux guru for that yet ;)
Apr 17 21:32:11 <joshin> Yet.  ;)
Apr 17 21:32:12 <luv2chill> and the appeal of premade packages appealed to me
Apr 17 21:32:14 <luv2chill> hehe
Apr 17 21:32:20 <luv2chill> oops 
Apr 17 21:32:31 <luv2chill> the "thought" of premade packages appealed to me
Apr 17 21:32:40 <joshin> I knew what you meant.
Apr 17 21:32:42 <luv2chill> i find it all very appealing, is the bottom line
Apr 17 21:32:44 <luv2chill> heh
Apr 17 22:03:13 <janne-5011> luv2chill:  cat /proc/cpuinfo  to see it your slug is deunderclocked -no need to dissasamble
Apr 17 22:05:13 <luv2chill> ah! ok let me check
Apr 17 22:05:42 <mwester> Why would de-underclocking be a suspect for this sort of trouble?
Apr 17 22:07:31 <luv2chill> Processor       : XScale-IXP425/IXC1100 rev 1 (v5b)
Apr 17 22:07:31 <luv2chill> BogoMIPS        : 131.48
Apr 17 22:07:31 <luv2chill> Features        : swp half thumb fastmult edsp
Apr 17 22:07:31 <luv2chill> Hardware        : Intel IXDP425 Development Platform
Apr 17 22:07:31 <luv2chill> Revision        : 0000
Apr 17 22:07:32 <luv2chill> Serial          : 0000000000000000
Apr 17 22:07:36 <janne-5011> its indded a longshot but was discussed before
Apr 17 22:08:53 <janne-5011> luv2chill how you know its "freeze". not reaching it can be a network problem?
Apr 17 22:09:35 <Reedy> eno, http://pastebin.com/d711d187
Apr 17 22:09:35 <Reedy> lol
Apr 17 22:10:01 <Reedy> mwester, might want to have a look too ;)
Apr 17 22:12:01 <janne-5011> Reedy looks like a mushroomslug=)
Apr 17 22:12:29 <Reedy> ;)
Apr 17 22:12:37 <Reedy> Needs to be a bit simpler maybe for cowsay optware
Apr 17 22:14:01 <janne-5011> its hard do such a ascii (slugasci)
Apr 17 22:14:39 <Reedy> janne-5011, http://pastebin.com/m68e6be3
Apr 17 22:14:47 <Reedy> Im playing around with geenrators
Apr 17 22:14:50 <janne-5011> i tried to last nigt with a online service
Apr 17 22:14:51 <Reedy> generators
Apr 17 22:14:54 <Reedy> yeah
Apr 17 22:15:16 <janne-5011> think need to to it by handso to speak
Apr 17 22:15:25 <Reedy> yeah
Apr 17 22:15:31 <Reedy> theres a tux one already there
Apr 17 22:15:37 <Reedy> just needs a "slug" adding to it i suspect
Apr 17 22:15:42 <janne-5011> yep
Apr 17 22:16:21 <Reedy> My art skills are pants
Apr 17 22:16:52 <janne-5011> think if you goole you find many ascii puingvins.
Apr 17 22:17:12 <janne-5011> *google
Apr 17 22:18:20 <Reedy> yeah
Apr 17 22:18:36 <Reedy> janne-5011, http://pastebin.com/m31510ef0 is the default
Apr 17 22:18:58 * Reedy wonders if it would be worth posting on the mailing lists..
Apr 17 22:19:41 <janne-5011> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/insects.htm#snails
Apr 17 22:19:48 <janne-5011> lol
Apr 17 22:20:16 <Reedy> heh, big slug!
Apr 17 22:21:00 <janne-5011> at lesat can get a idea from it
Apr 17 22:21:21 <janne-5011> but its problem convert from a html-page
Apr 17 22:21:30 <Reedy> janne-5011, http://pastebin.com/m2c7d41d0
Apr 17 22:21:31 <Reedy> lolol
Apr 17 22:21:53 <janne-5011> :s
Apr 17 22:22:17 <Reedy> its a slug!! ;)
Apr 17 22:22:31 <janne-5011> yep!
Apr 17 22:22:51 * Reedy thinks thats a bit big for a ssh window
Apr 17 22:23:19 <PPmarcel> lol Reedy 
Apr 17 22:23:20 <PPmarcel> nice
Apr 17 22:23:24 <luv2chill> janne-5011: sorry i was afk. I guess I don't know for sure, but it was sitting right next to me and when I unplugged it and plugged back in, it worked again
Apr 17 22:23:27 <Reedy> :)
Apr 17 22:23:47 <PPmarcel> you can have it smaller?
Apr 17 22:24:15 <Reedy> maybe from a smaller image.. yeah
Apr 17 22:24:43 <janne-5011> nn
Apr 17 22:24:51 <Reedy> night janne-5011 !
Apr 17 22:25:50 <PPmarcel> good night
Apr 17 22:26:11 <PPmarcel> i gone around the world, it's not the night here :)
Apr 17 22:26:34 <Reedy> lol
Apr 17 22:26:42 <Reedy> http://pastebin.com/m785fee8d
Apr 17 22:26:44 <Reedy> Just not as clear
Apr 17 22:26:59 <PPmarcel> tux?
Apr 17 22:27:08 <Reedy> its the site logo
Apr 17 22:27:41 <PPmarcel> :o
Apr 17 22:27:45 <Reedy> yeah
Apr 17 22:27:54 <Reedy> i think we need someone to make one from scratch/similar
Apr 17 22:58:05 <PPmarcel> does anyone knows if the nslu2 can handle usb powered hard disks?
Apr 17 22:58:39 <PPmarcel> I found a disk, but there is no power supply, only a usb port
Apr 17 22:58:46 <Reedy> if it was < 500ma, i suppose, yeah
Apr 17 22:59:24 <PPmarcel> i don't know =)
Apr 17 22:59:42 <PPmarcel> ok, bye bye
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