**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 03 02:59:56 2008
May 03 11:22:55 <ido--> hello.
May 03 11:23:09 <ido--> which ntfs driver should i add for debianslug / which package is it ?
May 03 11:54:12 <ido--> ?
May 03 11:56:00 <Kvaks> I dunno. I thought ntfs should work out of the package.
May 03 11:56:14 <ido--> not on debian-slug
May 03 11:58:23 <Kvaks> OK. I'm sure someone here knows. But be patient waiting for an answer, lots of idlers in here.
May 03 11:58:40 <ido--> Yeah I know..
May 03 16:01:09 <tehbaut> I recently changed routers, and the router IP changed from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.0.1
May 03 16:01:28 <tehbaut> Since then, I haven't been able to get my slug to be visible on the network
May 03 16:02:38 <tehbaut> Anyone got any ideas what I might need to do?
May 03 16:04:18 <mwester> ido--:  ntfs-3g
May 03 16:05:07 <mwester> tehbaut:  change the IP address of the slug to 192.168.0.<something>, if it has a static IP address.  reboot it if it has a DHCP address, and then query your router to find what address it gave to the NSLU2.
May 03 16:06:24 <tehbaut> mwester, it's not showing up on the router backend... the old IP was 192.168.1.77 and when I try 192.168.0.77 it just times out
May 03 16:07:10 <mwester> Why would it be 192.168.0.77 if you didn't change anything?
May 03 16:08:12 <mwester> If it's not asking the router for an IP address, then it will continue to use whatever one you had originally, and you'll have to change it (it has no way to know that the network address has changed).
May 03 16:08:20 <tehbaut> mainly because 192.168.1.77 didn't work after the change either
May 03 16:09:23 <tehbaut> how do I change it if I can't connect to it anymore? is there an alternate way to connect?
May 03 16:10:25 <mwester> tehbaut:  192.168.1.77 won't work because your PC gets its network address from the router, and the router says that the local network is 192.168.0, not 192.168.1 -- so your PC thinks that 192.168.1.77 is somewhere on the Internet.
May 03 16:11:06 <mwester> You need to put your PC back on the 192.168.1 network temporarily so that it can talk to the NSLU2, then change the NSLU2 IP address, and then change your PC address back.
May 03 16:14:35 <tehbaut> Okay, changed the router IP, now I'm rebooting the slug
May 03 16:15:36 <tehbaut> maybe I should just keep the router IP as 192.168.1.1 so I don't have to mess with the slug again...
May 03 16:16:14 <tehbaut> I never remember how to work the thing haha... only using it as a printer server atm
May 03 16:17:22 <toby_> hi! is this a good place to ask a question about using the nslu2 as a DSL router?
May 03 16:18:14 <tehbaut> sweet, I'm in
May 03 16:19:06 <toby_> can anyone help please?
May 03 16:19:27 <tehbaut> toby_: just ask your question
May 03 16:19:37 <tehbaut> if anyone can help, they will ;)
May 03 16:19:53 <toby_> ok thanks
May 03 16:20:39 <toby_> well i have the most frustrating problem. I have an nslu2 with slugos/le and I've followed this wiki: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/EnableIPMasquerading
May 03 16:21:25 <toby_> problem is, from the internal network, I can see Google and a few other sites, but most sites don't work (e.g. www.yahoo.com)
May 03 16:21:37 <toby_> how bizarre is that?
May 03 16:22:01 <toby_> from the slug, if i wget http://www.yahoo.com it works just fine
May 03 16:22:07 <toby_> from the internal network, it says host contacted, waiting for reply and hangs there
May 03 16:22:17 <toby_> and this is always the case
May 03 16:22:39 <toby_> but if I repeat for google.com that works from slug and internal network...
May 03 16:23:05 <toby_> does anyone have any ideas as to what might be wrong? 'cos I'm going nuts and google can't help me with an answer :(
May 03 16:24:17 <toby_> i even tcpdump'd from the slug to try to figure things out, this really is my last resort...
May 03 16:24:44 * toby_ begs
May 03 16:27:07 <toby_> btw, i'm using pppoe to connect the slug to the net
May 03 16:29:35 <ShadowJK> let's try this for debugging: iptables -I FORWARD 1 -j ACCEPT
May 03 16:29:59 <tehbaut> mwester, thanks for your help!
May 03 16:30:13 <ShadowJK> toby_, are you ircing from internal network, through slug, right now?
May 03 16:30:27 <toby_> no i'm using my other router - an ubuntu box
May 03 16:30:45 <toby_> once I tried setting up slug to NAT to my ubuntu router, and that worked
May 03 16:31:00 <toby_> it only doesn't work when i nat to ppp0
May 03 16:32:12 <ShadowJK> I'd also try iptables -t mangle -A FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu
May 03 16:32:29 <toby_> iptables v1.3.8: Unknown arg `-l'
May 03 16:33:03 <toby_> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
May 03 16:33:30 <toby_> i guess i should install iptables mangle module... lemme try that
May 03 16:33:45 <ShadowJK> where did '-l' come from anyway...
May 03 16:34:01 <toby_> oh, is it capital i or small l?
May 03 16:34:22 <toby_> hmm mangle is already installed
May 03 16:34:34 <ShadowJK> capital i for my first one, but ignore that one for now and try the one with mangle...
May 03 16:34:52 <toby_> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
May 03 16:35:42 <ShadowJK> so does iptables -t mangle -L
May 03 16:35:42 <ShadowJK> work?
May 03 16:35:55 <toby_> yes
May 03 16:36:15 <ShadowJK> hm, maybe it's referring to TCPMSS :(
May 03 16:36:43 <toby_> maybe i should install kernel-module-xt-tcpmss
May 03 16:36:47 <toby_> lemme try that
May 03 16:37:15 <ShadowJK> kernel-module-ipt-tcpmss maybe
May 03 16:37:38 <toby_> that's not in my package list
May 03 16:39:17 <toby_> what does that tcpmss command do?
May 03 16:39:57 <ShadowJK> works around issues with MTU
May 03 16:40:25 <ShadowJK> with pppoe you usually have lower mtu than ethernet, and if firewalls are around they might block icmp messages that try to inform computers of the mtu limit
May 03 16:41:00 <toby_> ok that sounds plausible
May 03 16:41:11 <toby_> i can't get the tcpmss module loaded tho
May 03 16:42:06 <ShadowJK> so what's your second interface?
May 03 16:42:16 <toby_> ppp0
May 03 16:42:24 <toby_> eth0 is mt internal network
May 03 16:42:39 <ShadowJK> hm... so do you have your one ethernet port connected to a switch which also goes to the modem?
May 03 16:42:47 <toby_> yes i do
May 03 16:43:22 <toby_> the modem in this case is a wireless modem, not a cable modem
May 03 16:44:20 <ShadowJK> pppoe over wireless? :-)
May 03 16:44:44 <toby_> no
May 03 16:45:01 <toby_> pppoe over ethernet, but the modem connects to a wireless internet service provider
May 03 16:45:09 <toby_> it's called iburst
May 03 16:45:52 <toby_> do you see a problem with the pppoe going over the same eth0?
May 03 16:46:22 <toby_> it's working fine with my ubuntu box
May 03 16:46:30 <ShadowJK> heh... do you have tcpdumps of google (working) and yahoo (not working)? :)
May 03 16:46:38 <toby_> using basic NAT adn masquerade, no TCPMSS stuff
May 03 16:46:45 <toby_> yes i do
May 03 16:47:03 <toby_> must i post a snippet?
May 03 16:47:38 <ShadowJK> It'd be nice to see tcpdump on interface ppp0 of both, use a paste site
May 03 16:48:06 <toby_> lemme upload to my site
May 03 16:48:11 <ido--> mwester: where do i get ntfs-3g for the debian ?
May 03 16:48:14 <ido--> its not in etch
May 03 16:48:17 <toby_> thanks btw for your help, i really appreciate it
May 03 16:48:32 <ShadowJK> toby_, also outputs of ifconfig -a, iptables -vnL, iptables -t nat -vnL  while you're at it :-)
May 03 16:49:01 <toby_> ok
May 03 16:49:40 <toby_> http://tobykurien.com/slug/slug_routing.txt
May 03 16:49:44 <toby_> that the tcpdump
May 03 16:49:53 <toby_> first bit is yahoo not working, second is google working
May 03 16:51:30 <toby_> http://tobykurien.com/slug/slug_routing2.txt for the rest of the debug info
May 03 16:53:20 <ShadowJK> hm, ppp0 didn't show up in ifconfig
May 03 16:53:29 <toby_> ya it's not currently connected
May 03 16:53:31 <toby_> sorry
May 03 16:53:40 <toby_> 'cos otherwise i can't talk to you :)
May 03 16:54:18 <ShadowJK> oh, irc didn't work? :-)
May 03 16:54:26 <toby_> no :(
May 03 16:54:42 <toby_> it connected but i couldn't get a channel list or join a channel
May 03 16:55:53 <ShadowJK> hm, yeah I'd imagine channel list wouldn't work, and joining a big channel wouldn't work either
May 03 16:56:43 <ShadowJK> iptables -I block 3 -j LOG
May 03 16:57:05 <ShadowJK> then try to connect
May 03 16:57:08 <toby_> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
May 03 16:57:12 <toby_> :(
May 03 16:57:28 <ShadowJK> oh, no log either? :-(
May 03 16:57:54 <toby_> could be that i'm missing another module
May 03 16:58:51 <toby_> installing kernel-module-ipt-log
May 03 16:58:59 <toby_> did the tcpdump help any?
May 03 16:59:28 <ShadowJK> looks like an MTU issue to me
May 03 16:59:36 <toby_> installed it but no idea what module to load :(
May 03 16:59:50 <ShadowJK> i think they load automagically? try that iptables thing again
May 03 16:59:54 <toby_> ooh ok, did a depmod -a and now it works
May 03 17:00:05 <toby_> where does it log?
May 03 17:00:15 <ShadowJK> 'dmesg'
May 03 17:00:21 <ShadowJK> type dmesg and it dumps the log
May 03 17:00:24 <toby_> ok
May 03 17:00:40 <toby_> well i have to log off to try it
May 03 17:00:45 <toby_> what must i look for in the log?
May 03 17:01:08 <toby_> i was reading this: http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/11/lesson-relearned-when-linux-networking.html
May 03 17:01:09 <ShadowJK> ifconfig -a ; route -vn; iptables -vnL ; iptables -t nat -vnL ; dmesg
May 03 17:01:15 <toby_> looks like you might be right about the mtu thing
May 03 17:01:44 <ShadowJK> actually, something like:
May 03 17:01:48 <toby_> wish i could run the command tho
May 03 17:02:10 <ShadowJK> ifconfig -a > log1.txt; route -vn >> log1.txt; iptables -vnL >> log1.txt; iptables -t nat -vnL >> log1.txt; dmesg >> log1.txt
May 03 17:02:18 <ShadowJK> and you should have a file log1.txt to upload
May 03 17:02:37 <toby_> ok
May 03 17:02:41 <toby_> lemme go try that!
May 03 17:02:43 <toby_> thanks :)
May 03 17:02:43 <ShadowJK> ipkg list|grep -i mss
May 03 17:02:48 <ShadowJK> does that show only one mss?
May 03 17:02:53 <toby_> lemme check
May 03 17:03:04 <toby_> yup
May 03 17:03:10 <toby_> only the xt-tcpmss
May 03 17:03:20 <ShadowJK> :/
May 03 17:03:53 <toby_> kernel-module-xt-tcpmss - 2.6.21.7+svnr927-r0 - xt-tcpmss kernel module; x_tables TCP MSS modification module; iptables TCP MSS match module
May 03 17:03:58 <toby_> it should work tho
May 03 17:04:06 <toby_> i wonder how one uses this module?
May 03 17:04:06 <ShadowJK> does it work now after depmod -a+
May 03 17:04:09 <ShadowJK> ?
May 03 17:04:18 <toby_> no :(
May 03 17:04:39 <toby_> even this doesn't work: iptables -I FORWARD -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu
May 03 17:04:54 <toby_> no mangle there
May 03 17:07:06 <ShadowJK> right, first try the google/yahoo test, execute that log gathering line I wrote, then try 'iptables -I FORWARD 1 -j ACCEPT', retry tests, maybe do the log gathering again but with log2.txt instead of log1.txt... and pay attention to difference between > and >> :)
May 03 17:07:08 <toby_> well after reading that blog and some comments, the symptoms are the same as mine - seems like it is the MTU issue
May 03 17:07:57 <toby_> shall we assume that MTU is the issue and forgo the logs?
May 03 17:08:42 * toby_ is ecstatic that I actually have something to blame now :-D
May 03 17:09:10 <ShadowJK> Oh there's definitely something about MTU
May 03 17:09:13 <toby_> altho i don't understand why it works on the ubuntu box...
May 03 17:10:44 <toby_> do u still need the logs or shall we try to find out how to get that mtu clamping thing working?
May 03 17:11:16 <toby_> this is the package i installed: http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.phtml?package=kernel-module-xt-tcpmss&official=&format=
May 03 17:11:25 <ShadowJK> I think that's the wrong tables :)
May 03 17:12:06 <toby_> you mean the xt-tcpmss? i can't find a ipt-tcpmss for this kernel
May 03 17:12:34 <toby_> when i lsmod i can see moth ipt-xxx modules and xt-xxx modules loaded
May 03 17:13:40 <toby_> ohh this is interesting, that error changes if i use lowercase
May 03 17:14:18 <toby_> iptables v1.3.8: Unknown arg `--clamp-mss-to-pmtu'
May 03 17:14:33 <ShadowJK> lowercase is for match modules usually, I think...
May 03 17:16:11 <toby_> oh
May 03 17:16:48 <toby_> if i leave out the clamp-mss bit it seems to load the module
May 03 17:16:56 <toby_> iptables v1.3.8: TCPMSS target: At least one parameter is required
May 03 17:17:31 <ShadowJK> hmmmm
May 03 17:17:52 <ShadowJK> --set-mss 1300
May 03 17:17:58 <ShadowJK> try add that :-)
May 03 17:18:42 <toby_> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
May 03 17:18:45 <toby_> urrgh
May 03 17:19:35 <toby_> oh and here's output from iptables -h
May 03 17:19:43 <toby_> TCPMSS target v1.3.8 mutually-exclusive options:
May 03 17:19:43 <toby_>   --set-mss value               explicitly set MSS option to specified value
May 03 17:19:43 <toby_>   --clamp-mss-to-pmtu           automatically clamp MSS value to (path_MTU - 40)
May 03 17:19:48 <ShadowJK> .. you're leaving a space between TCPMSS and --set, right...
May 03 17:19:57 <toby_> yes i am
May 03 17:20:28 <ShadowJK> two '-'?
May 03 17:20:44 <toby_> yes :)
May 03 17:21:04 <toby_> root@Slug:~$ iptables -t mangle -A forward -p tcp --tcp-flags SYN,RST SYN -j TCPMSS --clamp-mss-to-pmtu
May 03 17:21:04 <toby_> iptables: No chain/target/match by that name
May 03 17:22:04 <ShadowJK> upper case forward
May 03 17:22:28 <toby_> oh my gawd
May 03 17:22:31 <toby_> that did it!
May 03 17:22:33 <toby_> :)
May 03 17:22:53 <toby_> ok! i guess i can go test this baby out now
May 03 17:22:57 <toby_> brb
May 03 17:24:50 <toby> dude! it's working!
May 03 17:25:05 <toby> ShadowJK! Thanks! :)
May 03 17:25:23 <toby> unbelievable, I'd never have figured this one out
May 03 17:25:30 * toby is eternally grateful
May 03 17:26:04 <toby> my slug can now replace my ubuntu box... finally
May 03 17:26:28 <ShadowJK> I'd add that command to the script if you have a script...
May 03 17:26:39 <toby> yep doing that right now
May 03 17:26:51 <toby> this needs to be added to the nslu2-linux wiki
May 03 17:32:12 <toby> ok added to wiki :)
May 03 19:11:32 <RobNC> is this the appropriate channel for hardware mods to NSLU2?
May 03 19:25:43 <HardDisk_WP> RobNC, yeah
May 03 19:25:46 <HardDisk_WP> what have you done?
May 03 19:26:36 <HardDisk_WP> i have only attached an LCD display and some 12-keys-keyboard via a C-Control unit (this one via RS232 USB2Serial adapter) to my NSLU
May 03 19:26:52 <HardDisk_WP> oh, and once I used it as soundmachine^^
May 03 19:27:31 <RobNC> tried to add USB ports - but it seems the wiki is wrong or my NSLU2 has dead extra 3 ports.  I connected D-, D+, gnd from USB connector (off dead MB) to resistors mentioned in Wiki as well as ground to board but external USB (self-powered) devices not recognized
May 03 19:27:45 <HardDisk_WP> uh...
May 03 19:28:15 <HardDisk_WP> try to check the board for cutted layers
May 03 19:28:24 <HardDisk_WP> maybe somewhere there is a fault point
May 03 19:28:32 <RobNC> heh sound machine sounds cool.  I've checked continuity, even checking it at the resistor packs to be sure.  No problem with my soldering (BTW I've done the ObeseSlug, JTAG, overclock, serial port mod).
May 03 19:28:44 <HardDisk_WP> Lol
May 03 19:28:50 <HardDisk_WP> maybe thats too much for it^^
May 03 19:29:00 <HardDisk_WP> I used an Creative Audigy for this..was funny
May 03 19:29:30 <RobNC> I have tools at work, might have to swap D+/D- to see if wiki is wrong.  Creative Audigy - that's one of those Creative follys I hear\
May 03 19:29:31 <Nightwolf> HardDisk_WP: you mean via usb?
May 03 19:29:37 <HardDisk_WP> yapp
May 03 19:29:55 <RobNC> yeah I mean desolder the wire to the SMT resistors and swap them.
May 03 19:30:03 <HardDisk_WP> good luck, RobNC 
May 03 19:30:18 <Nightwolf> i have a creative extigy and think about using my slug as  alarm to wake up in the morning
May 03 19:30:34 <RobNC> is that some USB sound card?
May 03 19:30:41 <HardDisk_WP> RobNC, yeah
May 03 19:30:47 <Nightwolf> so now i know whom to ask for help when installing it ;-)
May 03 19:30:55 <HardDisk_WP> Nightwolf, that's easy with debian
May 03 19:30:59 <RobNC> cool!  :-)
May 03 19:31:05 <HardDisk_WP> debians nslu kernel has everything needed
May 03 19:31:09 <HardDisk_WP> just install alsa-utils
May 03 19:31:13 <HardDisk_WP> and vlc-nox
May 03 19:31:17 <HardDisk_WP> and you're done
May 03 19:31:31 <HardDisk_WP> (but beware: VLC w/o gui SUCKS when it comes how to operate it)
May 03 19:31:33 <RobNC> yeah, that reminds me I need to try apcupsd since I also soldered extra RX for serial port2
May 03 19:31:55 <Nightwolf> HardDisk_WP: i don't need io, i just need a cron job ;D
May 03 19:32:47 <HardDisk_WP> uh, then get another player
May 03 19:32:59 <Nightwolf> i'll try it when i have some time, things never are so easy as people say ;-)
May 03 19:32:59 <RobNC> This is true; it's how I run automated backups and cron is great for that.  I'm also running debian
May 03 19:33:06 <RobNC> have you updated to 5.0beta?
May 03 19:33:11 <HardDisk_WP> no
May 03 19:33:18 <HardDisk_WP> at least not that I know
May 03 19:33:25 <HardDisk_WP> but I switched to debian testing
May 03 19:33:35 <HardDisk_WP> but the installer I used was 4.0
May 03 19:33:46 <HardDisk_WP> because the latest one refused to boot :X
May 03 19:33:54 <RobNC> yeah I want a newer kernel that hopefully doesn't have the memory overflow condition (my SLUG has 256MB but I can't use it due to dma errors grr)
May 03 19:34:10 <Nightwolf> mine too, and i still use stable (no idea why i'd need testing on the slug...)
May 03 19:34:22 <RobNC> I'm gonna be making my own install soon, updating Centos cross-compiler wiki
May 03 19:37:35 <Nightwolf> hm what sucks is having the boxes powered on during the night, just for the alarm music
May 03 19:38:09 <RobNC> oh yeah true - you could use your cellphone for that
May 03 19:38:34 <Nightwolf> not possible with mine ;-)
May 03 19:38:55 <RobNC> Of course - Mr. Murphy.  :-(
May 03 19:40:18 <RobNC> It would be nice to use it as a camera - haven't done that yet.  Surprising how hot the CPU gets - I recorded 50C.  Wonder if I should put a heatsink...
May 03 19:40:20 <HardDisk_WP> Nightwolf, attach passive speakers to it
May 03 19:40:26 <HardDisk_WP> RobNC, works
May 03 19:40:41 <HardDisk_WP> at least with those PS2 camera :D
May 03 19:41:11 <RobNC> HardDisk_WP it's on my to-do list... one day...  :-]
May 03 19:41:15 <Nightwolf> i don't know how they can implement a music player but let the alarm bell only make the standard sound
May 03 19:41:32 <HardDisk_WP> well
May 03 19:41:36 <HardDisk_WP> for simple alarm
May 03 19:41:44 <HardDisk_WP> u have the NSLU2s normal beeper
May 03 19:41:53 <RobNC> Seems like you'd need some sort of modulator for the buzzer with a very precise timer
May 03 19:42:02 <HardDisk_WP> nah
May 03 19:42:02 <Nightwolf> i already have simple alarm but that sucks
May 03 19:42:11 <Nightwolf> the same with radio alarm
May 03 19:42:20 <HardDisk_WP> well, I wonder if I can make it beep the Star Wars Imperial March :D
May 03 19:42:54 <Nightwolf> lol, send me the file when are finished 
May 03 19:43:02 <RobNC> amazing what this little thing can do
May 03 19:45:42 <HardDisk_WP> ack
May 03 19:50:00 <ido--> hey
May 03 19:50:06 <HardDisk_WP> hi
May 03 19:50:11 <ido--> hrm.
May 03 19:50:25 <ido--> how do i install ntfs-3g on my debian ?
May 03 19:50:40 <HardDisk_WP> you mean on the NSLU?
May 03 19:50:53 <HardDisk_WP> i am not sure if you want this
May 03 19:50:59 <ido--> of coutdr
May 03 19:51:04 <HardDisk_WP> ntfs drivers are HUGE cpu hogs
May 03 19:51:05 <ido--> why not?
May 03 19:51:14 <ido--> really ?
May 03 19:51:17 <HardDisk_WP> anyway, there should be some debian package
May 03 19:51:28 <ido--> i installed etch, its not there.
May 03 19:51:33 <HardDisk_WP> ntfs-3g - read-write NTFS driver for FUSE
May 03 19:51:49 <ido--> hrm.
May 03 19:52:19 <ido--> can samba enforce permissions even if its an ntfs drive ?
May 03 19:52:22 <HardDisk_WP> upgrade to testing
May 03 19:52:24 <HardDisk_WP> uh, not sure
May 03 19:52:39 <ido--> how do i upgrade ?
May 03 19:53:06 <HardDisk_WP> edit /etc/apt/sources.list
May 03 19:53:15 <HardDisk_WP> replace stable or etch by testing
May 03 19:53:20 <HardDisk_WP> voila
May 03 19:53:43 <ido--> then just apt-get update && upgrade?
May 03 19:53:53 <HardDisk_WP> dist-upgrade, please
May 03 19:53:58 <HardDisk_WP> but you dont need
May 03 19:54:03 <ido--> hrm. ok
May 03 19:54:08 <HardDisk_WP> you only need to update
May 03 19:54:13 <HardDisk_WP> then apt-get install ntfs-3g
May 03 19:54:28 <ido--> couldnt hurt to upgrade everythiung
May 03 19:54:33 <ido--> besides a couple of hours ;-)
May 03 19:54:36 <HardDisk_WP> yeah^^
May 03 19:54:43 <ido--> seems samba is really really slow on debian
May 03 19:54:48 <ido--> why's that ?
May 03 19:54:59 <ido--> if i iinstall the opt-ware one would it be any faster ?
May 03 19:55:02 <HardDisk_WP> because the NSLU2 isn't the best thing
May 03 19:55:07 <HardDisk_WP> (for samba)
May 03 19:55:15 <ido--> how come ?
May 03 19:55:25 <ido--> the original slug comes with samba too..
May 03 19:55:57 <HardDisk_WP> but also with a very limited linux afair
May 03 19:56:18 <ido--> hrm
May 03 19:56:29 <ido--> cpu usage doesnt seem high now either
May 03 19:56:36 <ido--> anything i can do to  make it faster ?
May 03 19:59:44 <HardDisk_WP> no idea, sorry
May 03 20:00:04 <ido--> darnit.
May 03 20:29:02 <HardDisk_WP> Nightwolf, RobNC my next project is to get one of those graphical lcd displays (those which can be addressed by rs232), make an x driver for it and run a gui on it^^
May 03 20:29:28 <ido--> graphics over rs232?
May 03 20:30:33 <HardDisk_WP> yeah
May 03 20:30:41 <ido--> too slow i think
May 03 20:30:47 <HardDisk_WP> those dotmatrix
May 03 20:30:51 <HardDisk_WP> but better than nothing
May 03 20:30:52 <ido--> oh
May 03 20:30:54 <ido--> hrm.
May 03 20:30:57 <ido--> would work then
May 03 20:31:21 <HardDisk_WP> yea^^
May 03 20:31:27 <ido--> what for?
May 03 20:31:35 <HardDisk_WP> porn
May 03 20:31:36 <HardDisk_WP> :D
May 03 20:31:45 <ido--> i prefer HD porn..
May 03 20:31:46 <HardDisk_WP> seriously, just some PoC
May 03 20:32:02 <ido--> I just ordered an appletv
May 03 20:32:12 <HardDisk_WP> have fun, those things are sweet
May 03 20:32:16 <ido--> and a 7" monitor 
May 03 20:32:17 <HardDisk_WP> but too expensive for me^^
May 03 20:32:36 <ido--> i got a new one with shipping for just 180 green ones
May 03 20:33:17 <ido--> i need a utility which downloads tv series from torrent trackers
May 03 20:33:23 <ido--> like utorrent does
May 03 20:36:51 <slithy> does anyone have rrdtool running on their nslu2?
May 03 20:37:22 <HardDisk_WP> slithy, no
May 03 20:37:25 <HardDisk_WP> but it should work
May 03 20:37:59 <slithy> i'm using slugos, which doesn't have an rrdtool package, and the rrdtool package currently doesn't build in OE
May 03 20:38:05 <Nightwolf> how do you guys update the files in a chroot? script with tons of cp or is there a better way to do it (e.g. via locate)?
May 03 20:40:56 <slithy> you don't need to be in the chroot to update the files
May 03 21:08:50 <eno> slithy: rrdtool optware ipk is in slugosbe/slugosle feed
May 03 21:09:40 <slithy> what's optware?
May 03 21:10:21 <eno> it's a different build system, packages installed under /opt
May 03 21:10:31 <eno> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Slugosbe
May 03 21:11:17 <slithy> you can mix those packages with OE packages?
May 03 21:11:31 <eno> they can co-exist, but don't mix
May 03 21:11:54 <eno> (unless you know what you're doing)
May 03 21:13:28 <eno> does not hurt to try, in the worst case, rm -rf /opt/*
May 03 21:13:42 <slithy> ok thanks, i'll give it a shot
May 03 21:16:28 <Nightwolf> slithy: lol, i meant the files in the chroot, not while beeing in the chroot
May 03 21:16:39 <slithy> oh ok
May 03 21:21:59 <ido--> hey eno.
May 03 21:22:13 <ido--> can i make debianslug any faster for file transfers with samba?
May 03 21:22:27 <ido--> I'm getting ~1.5/MB/s less then other distros
May 03 22:34:21 <mwester> ido--:  what do you mean by debianslug -- there is only debian and slugos/le
May 03 22:35:57 <ido--> debian
May 03 22:37:44 <mwester> Ok.  Just so you know, there was a thing called debianslug some time ago; it is now obsolete.  Hence the confusion -- if you were really running debianslug, I would say to upgrade to debian before doing anything else.
May 03 22:38:09 <ido--> yeah, i know
May 03 22:38:21 <mwester> You can also ask debian questions on the debian-arm channel (check the wiki for the address); that's where more debian people hang out.
May 03 22:38:37 <ido--> i still call it the same just to make it clear that my debian is running on a slug
May 03 23:09:51 <ido--> hrm.
May 03 23:10:03 <ido--> where do i get lighttpd for debian over optware ?
May 04 01:05:33 <sez^> hm. I just installed unslung, with the slug connected directly to a second network card on a windows computer... now the problem is I want to connect it directly to my ADSL-modem, but the ISP uses DHCP - so is there a way to get a hold of the IP the slug gets?
May 04 01:05:58 <sez^> the only solution, if you don't want to use a computer as a router, is to buy a router?
May 04 01:23:45 <PPmarcel`> sez^: i'm afrait that you don't have the choice
May 04 01:24:13 <PPmarcel`> you should look around linksys WRT54gl, which is a very good router with free firmware
May 04 01:24:42 <PPmarcel`> you can run linux on it, or just keep one of theses graphical made by good developers
May 04 01:24:49 <PPmarcel`> it cost around 60$
May 04 01:25:29 <PPmarcel`> but if you want cheap, you can buy a WRT54G, which cost $44, but you risk to not be able to flash it
May 04 01:25:45 <PPmarcel`> you can keep original firmware, it works too ^^
May 04 01:26:24 <PPmarcel`> if you want docs about free firmwares, beep me
May 04 01:32:30 <sez^> PPmarcel`, ah, yeah, I've looked at the GL actually. but when I flashed the slug I thought that it would be a bit "unnecessary to have a flashed router as well ;)
May 04 01:33:07 <RobNC> Linksys default firmware stinks bigtime, if you want static DHCP (based on MAC address)
May 04 01:37:06 <PPmarcel`> sez^: a flashed router don't have same fuctionalities than the nslu2 :)
May 04 01:37:49 <PPmarcel`> you can have more accurate settings, like voip, vpn, QoS, wifi booster, and a lot of good things for you ;)
May 04 01:38:25 <RobNC> True, but the irony is that the same processor in NSLU2 is apparently good enough for ~150Mbps of traffic (used for MoCA), for Verizon's FiOS service.
May 04 01:39:15 <PPmarcel`> i don't get do you mean
May 04 01:39:21 <PPmarcel`> what do you mean*
May 04 01:41:33 <RobNC> the IXP420 is pretty impressive for what it can do.  However, personally, I'd prefer to use a dedicated network device that is designed for routing.  The NSLU2 could have been, if they had another MAC off the PCI bus.  The way you have to do this with NSLU2 is via usb dongles, and I would guess there is some performance limitation there versus PCI bus device.
May 04 01:44:13 <RobNC> sorry scratch that, the NSLU2 has two MACs so it just needs external PHYs.
May 04 01:48:56 <RobNC> So what I'm saying is that it would be best to use the internal MACs for router functionality (much as routers of today use) instead of using an external MAC through USB through USB bridge (more work for the processor).
May 04 01:49:12 <PPmarcel`> i agree
May 04 01:55:17 <RobNC> Is there something wrong with the wiki sandbox - I can't preview
May 04 01:56:09 <PPmarcel`> have you got a link for me?
May 04 01:56:22 <RobNC> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/WikiSandbox
May 04 01:56:54 <sez^> so, I ordered the GL. the thing is I work at the broadband-company, so I can go there att check the IP in a few hours, but that may not always be a solution
May 04 01:57:17 <sez^> btw, have you had any experience of running mysql with a 266 mhz slug?
May 04 01:57:38 <sez^> -att+and*
May 04 01:57:47 <PPmarcel`> RobNC: i don't know :s
May 04 01:58:16 <PPmarcel`> sez^: some ppl advice to use a light database
May 04 01:58:20 <PPmarcel`> lighter
May 04 01:58:24 <RobNC> PPmarcel` it was upgraded recently - maybe there's something related with that
May 04 01:58:26 <PPmarcel`> i don't rembmer the name
May 04 01:58:52 <PPmarcel`> RobNC: i can't preview too, but i don't know if changes are effective
May 04 01:59:19 <PPmarcel`> ah, sez^ , it's SQLite (http://www.sqlite.org/)
May 04 01:59:39 <PPmarcel`> but i'm not sure that's work as mysql
May 04 01:59:50 <PPmarcel`> i guess you cannot do as many things
May 04 02:00:22 <PPmarcel`> if you plain to host your website, experience (of others :p) shows that the slug isn't really fast
May 04 02:01:12 <sez^> PPmarcel`, the appweb seemed to be compatible with apache in a number of ways, hopefully there is a database that runs good on the slug with the same relation to mysql :)
May 04 02:01:14 <PPmarcel`> about me, i just use http for sharing data, without html or php
May 04 02:01:54 <sez^> PPmarcel`, argh, these high demands...
May 04 02:02:04 <sez^> :)
May 04 02:02:24 <PPmarcel`> ^^
May 04 02:02:58 <PPmarcel`> personally, if i would create a real website, i would use ligHTTPd and SQLite
May 04 02:03:20 <PPmarcel`> be carefull, i don't know about software compilation on unslung
May 04 02:03:39 <PPmarcel`> if you can, try to upgrade to slugOS, or better, debian
May 04 02:04:32 <PPmarcel`> finally, unslung's webmin just allow you to manage samba and networks. If you know how to do it with command lines, you can upgrade
May 04 02:05:42 <sez^> I run debian on my desktop already, and was thinking of having the slug to just handle the services in an easy enough way
May 04 02:05:56 <sez^> but with unslung I get shell-access as well?
May 04 02:06:14 <sez^> I mean, obviously.
May 04 02:06:43 <sez^> what's the difference between unslung and slugos for instance?
May 04 02:07:18 <PPmarcel`> about me, i think the only difference is in the webmin, wich has been removed in slugOS
May 04 02:07:33 <PPmarcel`> and slugOS has been built for command lines only
May 04 02:07:40 <PPmarcel`> the kernel is newer
May 04 02:07:55 <sez^> yeah, the kernel that unslung uses... omg =/
May 04 02:08:06 <PPmarcel`> unslung follow original firmware, whereas slugOS is newer
May 04 02:08:09 <PPmarcel`> lol yes ^^
May 04 02:08:17 <PPmarcel`> and slugOS is lighter
May 04 02:08:25 <PPmarcel`> but personally, i prefer debian
May 04 02:08:27 <sez^> oh, ok
May 04 02:08:46 <PPmarcel`> because you can use a lot of packets, that you don't have in slugOS and unslung
May 04 02:09:08 <PPmarcel`> ah, and slugOS has got it's own ipkg packages + unslung packages
May 04 02:09:14 <sez^> maybe the downside with using debian is that the packets aren't optimized in the same way that they can be for unslung?
May 04 02:09:21 <sez^> but maybe they are, I'm just guessing here
May 04 02:09:36 <PPmarcel`> i don't know how optimized the are, true
May 04 02:09:51 <PPmarcel`> but it's debian arm, and arm is for embedded devices
May 04 02:09:56 <PPmarcel`> so don't worry
May 04 02:10:23 <PPmarcel`> i have seen a good idea on nslu2-linux
May 04 02:10:58 <PPmarcel`> when an ipkg package is newer than debian, there is a trick to install this ipkg package
May 04 02:11:13 <PPmarcel`> it just work with some of them, but they are useful
May 04 02:11:19 <PPmarcel`> usefull?
May 04 02:11:48 <PPmarcel`> sorry, it's a storm in my head, i just write unorganized ideas here ^^'
May 04 02:12:04 <sez^> :)
May 04 02:12:11 <sez^> do you have an httpd up and running on your slug now?
May 04 02:13:04 <PPmarcel`> i think not
May 04 02:13:22 <PPmarcel`> i'm writing some tutorials about nslu2, so i formated everything
May 04 02:13:44 <PPmarcel`> but a soon step will be to install a webserver, yes
May 04 02:15:05 <sez^> PPmarcel`, what is your stance on running the OS from the same drive as you keep all your files?
May 04 02:15:14 <sez^> I thought I'd use my 128MB USB-drive
May 04 02:15:35 <sez^> but... that's a bit small
May 04 02:15:48 <sez^> so I'm just using the 500gb western digital mybook now
May 04 02:16:50 <sez^> as long as I make sure I'm satisfied with the OS of choice it will probably work out well
May 04 02:17:31 <PPmarcel`> i was used to have my OS on my hardisk, and nowaday i try with a usbkey only. But i still can use and mount a disk on the second usb port
May 04 02:17:43 <PPmarcel`> :)
May 04 02:18:07 <PPmarcel`> there is only one issue: test each os :)
May 04 02:18:28 <PPmarcel`> about me, you know what i think
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