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Aug 20 14:43:14 <m4d-m4n> hey
Aug 20 14:43:18 <m4d-m4n> anyone out there?
Aug 20 14:46:09 <ln-> that is always the wrong question to ask.
Aug 20 14:46:17 <m4d-m4n> oh :(
Aug 20 14:46:25 <m4d-m4n> can anybody help me ;)
Aug 20 14:46:42 <ln-> that is also always the wrong question to ask.
Aug 20 14:46:57 <m4d-m4n> what is the right one?
Aug 20 14:47:05 <ln-> the real question you want to ask.
Aug 20 14:47:16 <m4d-m4n> ok i understand
Aug 20 14:48:05 <ln-> and remember to wait patiently after asking -- someone may answer after an hour.
Aug 20 14:48:57 <m4d-m4n> so i would wish for hamachi on my nslu2. since i found it only in the wish list i looked around and found a version for arm-processors
Aug 20 14:49:11 <m4d-m4n> originally for nokia 770
Aug 20 14:49:20 <m4d-m4n> http://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/
Aug 20 14:50:08 <m4d-m4n> the installation worked after editing the install-file a bit, but then i'm stuck when i try to run hamachi-init oder any other command
Aug 20 14:50:11 <m4d-m4n> it says
Aug 20 14:50:29 <m4d-m4n> -> /usr/bin/hamachi-init: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
Aug 20 14:51:52 <m4d-m4n> i opened the hamachi-file but its quite weird... probably someone of you can fix it, so it will work on nslu2
Aug 20 14:52:46 <m4d-m4n> would be great if there is a way to get it work :)
Aug 20 15:09:02 <eno> m4d-m4n: n770 binary is little endian, uses Version4 EABI
Aug 20 15:09:27 <eno> so you might be able to run it on debian armel
Aug 20 15:09:38 <eno> but not other firmware
Aug 20 15:10:02 <m4d-m4n> so no chance :(
Aug 20 15:11:03 <eno> it is not open source, so no optware ipk
Aug 20 15:11:39 <eno> well, you can run debian armel on your slug
Aug 20 15:13:08 <m4d-m4n> okay i will see...
Aug 20 17:09:26 <widrone> m4d-m4n: Guess you know, but http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/ got nice info about installing that. 
Aug 20 17:10:02 <widrone> m4d-m4n: And Im loading a slug as we speak here too, so any questions along the way just let em rip. 
Aug 20 17:46:22 <widrone> I do seem to get on partmans bad side all the time trying thu, must be this crappy usb flashstick
Aug 20 17:46:43 <widrone> Either that or Im loading up some wrong mudules during the install. 
Aug 20 17:48:34 <m4d-m4n> im installing debian right now on my slug
Aug 20 17:48:52 <m4d-m4n> must have finished soon
Aug 20 17:49:23 <m4d-m4n> im not using a flashdisk but a normal harddrive
Aug 20 17:50:41 <m4d-m4n> i will see if hamachi will run... ;9
Aug 20 17:52:03 <widrone> Im guessing its me screwing it up, usually this works so Im blaming the end user =P 
Aug 20 17:55:07 <m4d-m4n> am i right to say that debian is more flexible than slugos? so i would stick to debian =)
Aug 20 17:56:34 <m4d-m4n> i have an old printer with lpt-port. have an usb-adapter which works fine on windows xp, hope i can get it work
Aug 20 17:56:50 <m4d-m4n> on the slug
Aug 20 17:59:50 <widrone> Well, there is alot more stuff packaged for debian so in that regard its very flexible 
Aug 20 18:00:19 <widrone> But they are abit different distros debian and slugos 
Aug 20 18:00:40 <widrone> Debian being debian... and the slugos more made for the slug. 
Aug 20 18:01:16 <widrone> m4d-m4n: Dunno alot about printers, but cups framework seems to be mature and stable. 
Aug 20 18:02:41 <m4d-m4n> being made for the slug means
Aug 20 18:02:49 <m4d-m4n> ...? faster smaller?
Aug 20 18:03:26 <widrone> SlugOS is designed for the slug from the start. Debian has other design goals. 
Aug 20 18:04:00 <widrone> If more software = more flexible then yes. 
Aug 20 18:04:44 <widrone> Ofc you can compile anything to your hearts content if you desire. 
Aug 20 18:05:06 <widrone> I personaly found that running debian on the livingroom slug made me install too much on it =P 
Aug 20 18:05:16 <widrone> <- user being an idiot again. 
Aug 20 18:06:17 <m4d-m4n> yes installing quite a lot... wondering when it will have finished
Aug 20 18:06:51 <widrone> the whole install process could easyly take over 2 hours. 
Aug 20 18:07:01 <m4d-m4n> seems to install some font-types right now
Aug 20 18:07:06 <m4d-m4n> what for...
Aug 20 18:07:13 <widrone> Getting the packages is one thing, unpacking them and installing eats a fair bit of resources. 
Aug 20 18:07:51 <widrone> m4d-m4n: You are installing debian, debian contains a big sysystem... that means also getting stuff you "dont need" on the slug. You are getting debian proper. :)
Aug 20 18:08:48 <widrone> Why its getting in fonts is a good question, probably some dependencies somewhere. 
Aug 20 18:09:10 <m4d-m4n> yes... but is it installing the whole thing? i thought it was limited to the most important packages for the slug
Aug 20 18:09:17 <m4d-m4n> to keep memory low
Aug 20 18:09:20 <m4d-m4n> and so on
Aug 20 18:11:17 <widrone> The baseline features on debian and slugos is abit different yes... You can fit slugOS in the internal 8MB flash. You need 400mb-ish for debian yes? 
Aug 20 18:14:10 <widrone> Its really easy to get stuff working on debian thu, so much docs and help out there. There is no limits so to say. 
Aug 20 18:15:13 <m4d-m4n> So it is just the right thing for me =)
Aug 20 18:15:29 <m4d-m4n> Well, I will see what i like more
Aug 20 18:40:50 <m4d-m4n> it is recommended that you install the ntpdate (or ntp) package
Aug 20 18:41:03 <m4d-m4n> I cannot retrieve the package via apt-get
Aug 20 18:45:07 <m4d-m4n> uhmm... the Linux-newbie found the right command
Aug 20 18:52:44 <widrone> Hehe, apt-get install ntp was the one? 
Aug 20 18:53:07 <widrone> I skipped the "partman" part of the installer, seems to be ok now. 
Aug 20 18:53:45 <widrone> must be the usbdisk Im using, either that or some wierd bug since its a very small one 
Aug 20 19:00:18 <Reedy> http://packages.debian.org/stable/ntp
Aug 20 19:00:25 <Reedy> As long as you've your DNS and gateway way
Aug 20 19:00:28 <Reedy> *set
Aug 20 19:00:31 <Reedy> and have apt-get updated
Aug 20 19:00:37 <Reedy> you should be able to install it
Aug 20 19:01:42 <widrone> dont this get loaded during install now? What debian installer did you use m4d-m4n? 
Aug 20 19:01:58 <widrone> Althu installing it afterhand makes no difference. 
Aug 20 19:03:17 <widrone> Mabe just the beta2 for lenny that does it, just running thru that and it pegged me about ntp servers (in expert mode) 
Aug 20 19:05:24 <m4d-m4n> works fine everything
Aug 20 19:05:41 <m4d-m4n> i used the upgrade util if you mean that
Aug 20 19:06:38 <widrone> m4d-m4n: What debian install binary, version. 
Aug 20 19:07:59 <m4d-m4n> 4.0r3
Aug 20 19:08:43 <widrone> Ah thanks, just nice to know. Everything working sp far it seems? 
Aug 20 19:09:02 <m4d-m4n> uhm yes... so far
Aug 20 19:11:03 <m4d-m4n> bash: /sbin/tuncfg: No such file or directory
Aug 20 19:11:28 <m4d-m4n> its definitely there
Aug 20 19:27:50 <dFence> hey guys.. i've forgotten where the howto describing booting from an external disk was... can someone point me in the right direction?
Aug 20 19:29:07 <widrone> dFence: What firmware you on? unslung? 
Aug 20 19:29:40 <dFence> widrone: i'm on openwrt and it's regarding the linksys nas200 -- i'm just trying to get some inspiration from the howto
Aug 20 19:30:34 <widrone> dFence: Ok, just pumping you for info so all the idlers see it. 
Aug 20 19:30:43 <dFence> ;)
Aug 20 19:31:30 <widrone> I seem to remember this wrt link, http://nbd.name/openwrt.html
Aug 20 19:32:15 <widrone> But Im guessing your really after this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenWrt/HomePage
Aug 20 19:32:50 <widrone> dFence: You better tell me that aint the page, even if it says "For USB disk preparation one must first prepare disk partitions with" ;)
Aug 20 19:33:39 <widrone> dFence: also 2 links at the bottom of the page (last link) to get you further. 
Aug 20 19:33:46 <dFence> thx
Aug 20 19:37:11 <dFence> widrone: that's already helpful but i think i need something else... technically it should be enough to set up a proper filesystem on the internal disk and pass the kernel the appropriate root= parameter, eh?
Aug 20 19:38:24 <widrone> Yeah, not too familiar with the internal works of wrt. But in theory yes. 
Aug 20 19:39:16 <widrone> If you are doing it that "advanced" way, not sure about spesific pages. But the wiki is a multitude of info. Ill let it linger in the channel for a bit, we got massive idlers
Aug 20 19:40:23 <widrone> But, wrt is only flash size isnt it? 
Aug 20 19:40:44 <widrone> The rootfs is in the .bin you flash yes? 
Aug 20 19:41:20 <widrone> So the procedure to "tie in" more diskspace listed on the nslu wiki is for getting more space so you can get the feeds going. 
Aug 20 19:42:26 <widrone> Im feeling Im missing something, or we are crosstalking =P 
Aug 20 19:43:01 <m4d-m4n_> I'm not able to run hamachi in /usr/bin and tuncfg in /sbin... any idea? How can I check wether tuncfg is running
Aug 20 19:44:09 <m4d-m4n_> It says no such file or directory :(
Aug 20 19:44:19 <dFence> widrone: i think ill try  a different approach..
Aug 20 19:44:47 <widrone> m4d-m4n_: ps aux <- lists all active running processes 
Aug 20 19:45:11 <dFence> m4d-m4n_: do a ls -l on the files you want to run and check if they have the "x" attribute, if not -> chmod a+x /foo/bar
Aug 20 19:47:49 <widrone> dFence: My point was there is no rootfs to untar on the disk, the rootfs is all in flash. What you can do is add the diskspace into the mix with some short commands / programs. (If I got my info correct and remember it all) 
Aug 20 19:48:22 <dFence> widrone: i have the build-kit therefore i can generate images... 
Aug 20 19:48:52 <dFence> widrone: i'd like to bypass accessing the device-flash.. having some issues with mtd-partitioning
Aug 20 19:49:24 <widrone> dFence: Ah I see, you are building the firmware aswell. I see now, that may really *be* in the dev channel. 
Aug 20 19:49:57 <widrone> but like I said, loads of them in here too so sit tigth. (even I get it now) ;)
Aug 20 19:50:54 <m4d-m4n_> It still returns: no such file or dir
Aug 20 19:52:37 <widrone> m4d-m4n_: Some script you are running is looking for a program that is not exsisting? 
Aug 20 19:56:34 <widrone> m4d-m4n_: Not sure that tuncfg program is in /sbin/ unless you put it there, trying to figure that out myself now. 
Aug 20 19:57:20 <m4d-m4n_> these files are existing definitely
Aug 20 19:57:38 <m4d-m4n_> installer puts the tuncfg in /sbin
Aug 20 19:59:22 <widrone> The command "ls -l /sbin/tuncfg" can you paste it for me here? And what installer puts it there? 
Aug 20 20:00:20 <m4d-m4n_> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9444 Aug 20 21:59 /sbin/tuncfg
Aug 20 20:00:33 <widrone> Hamachi installer puts it there... 
Aug 20 20:00:41 <m4d-m4n_> cp tuncfg/tuncfg $TUNCFG_DST
Aug 20 20:00:46 <m4d-m4n_> chmod 700 $TUNCFG_DST/tuncfg
Aug 20 20:00:48 <m4d-m4n_> yes this way
Aug 20 20:01:00 <m4d-m4n_> i modifief the installer to chmod 777 already
Aug 20 20:01:09 <widrone> so I see =P 
Aug 20 20:01:25 <widrone> and "/sbin/tuncfg" directly gives you what error 
Aug 20 20:01:33 <widrone> running the binary that is 
Aug 20 20:01:46 <m4d-m4n_> -bash: /sbin/tuncfg: No such file or directory
Aug 20 20:02:23 <m4d-m4n_> probably it's just a beginner's mistake =(
Aug 20 20:02:40 <widrone> is that a script by any chance and not a binary? 
Aug 20 20:02:57 <m4d-m4n_> might be...
Aug 20 20:03:00 <m4d-m4n_> <- linux beginner
Aug 20 20:03:02 <widrone> maybe it calls something you dont have =/ 
Aug 20 20:03:05 <m4d-m4n_> how to check tha?
Aug 20 20:03:13 <widrone> try cat the file 
Aug 20 20:03:30 <widrone> it spits out the contents, if its garble its binary 
Aug 20 20:03:51 <widrone> there probably is better ways, but it works for me =P 
Aug 20 20:04:18 <widrone> Or you buildt this from source yes? 
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Aug 20 20:04:46 <widrone> I was thinking BE LE stuff, but you went LE for a reason yes? 
Aug 20 20:04:54 <widrone> that is definetly a binary 
Aug 20 20:05:36 <m4d-m4n_> easy.. easy..
Aug 20 20:05:49 <m4d-m4n_> what do i build from source and what means BE LE
Aug 20 20:06:00 <Reedy> big endian
Aug 20 20:06:02 <Reedy> little endian
Aug 20 20:06:16 <m4d-m4n_> i guess then LE
Aug 20 20:09:32 <widrone> So wierd you get an error saying its not there, it is obviousley
Aug 20 20:10:34 <m4d-m4n_> I even rebooted my slug
Aug 20 20:11:40 <m4d-m4n_> can i do a run-as from as root?
Aug 20 20:12:16 <Reedy> sudo? yeah
Aug 20 20:12:24 <Reedy> well, su user
Aug 20 20:12:26 <Reedy> aye
Aug 20 20:13:17 <m4d-m4n_> running as aonther user it says: 
Aug 20 20:13:25 <m4d-m4n_> -> /sbin/tuncfg: /sbin/tuncfg: cannot execute binary file
Aug 20 20:24:28 <m4d-m4n_> boys... i will leave and give it another try tomorrow
Aug 20 20:24:37 <m4d-m4n_> thankyou anyway =)
Aug 20 20:26:31 <widrone> yeah, need some shutwyw myself. 
Aug 20 22:40:59 <socky> My ISP is shit and my download of the unslung 6.10 has timed out 12 times so far.  does anybody have a direct link to the firmware (w/o eula button) so i can use a download manager?
Aug 20 22:49:38 <socky> My ISP is shit and my download of the unslung 6.10 has timed out 12 times so far.  does anybody have a direct link to the firmware (w/o eula button) so i can use a download manager?
Aug 20 22:50:25 <AlexAnteMachina> Hi all!
Aug 20 22:50:49 <AlexAnteMachina> I'm looking for some information about unslung
Aug 20 23:03:16 * mwester wonders if AlexAnteMachina is going to ask any questions, or not...
Aug 20 23:04:25 * AlexAnteMachina was wondering if somebody was alive in here.....
Aug 20 23:09:48 <mwester> At least a bot should be alive :)
Aug 20 23:09:50 <mwester> ~ask
Aug 20 23:10:09 <mwester> Nope, guess the bot is not so alive after all.
Aug 20 23:10:36 <mwester> Anyway, just ask your questions; as people glance into the channel, they'll answer -- be patient.
Aug 20 23:45:20 <AlexAnteMachina> well,seems i dont need to bother anybody since nslu2-linux.org has all I need.
Aug 20 23:50:19 <AlexAnteMachina> I could not manage having ftp working on default system. 
Aug 20 23:51:18 <AlexAnteMachina> Is there a way havin ftp working?
Aug 21 00:23:04 <widrone> AlexAnteMachina: There should a way yes. 
Aug 21 00:24:05 <widrone> AlexAnteMachina: As long as you dont mean the linksys firmware when you say default system. You got unslung loaded on the slug or? 
Aug 21 01:29:30 <AlexAnteMachina> widrone: no, I don't have installed unslung yet.
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