**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 26 02:59:57 2008
Oct 26 07:37:55 <damagednoob> i've installed etch on my nslu2, now i want to add ntfs support
Oct 26 07:38:24 <damagednoob> i've added the etch backport
Oct 26 07:39:03 <damagednoob> i get the following error :Package ntfs-3g is not available, but is referred to by another package.
Oct 26 07:39:21 <damagednoob> what does that mean?
Oct 26 08:09:19 <ropetin> It means the package name isn´t ntfs-3g
Oct 26 08:09:35 <ropetin> Try doing;
Oct 26 08:09:43 <ropetin> apt-cache search ntfs-3g
Oct 26 08:09:55 <ropetin> and see what package it suggests (I think it has fuse in there somewhere)
Oct 26 08:11:38 <damagednoob> that listed 4 packages: ntfs-config, libntfs-3g-dev, libntfs-3g23, ntfs-3g
Oct 26 08:11:59 <damagednoob> lol
Oct 26 08:12:01 <damagednoob> cancel that
Oct 26 08:13:35 <ropetin> :)  What if you just apt-cache search ntfs
Oct 26 08:13:36 <ropetin> ?
Oct 26 08:13:36 <damagednoob> wrong machine :P
Oct 26 08:13:40 <ropetin> OK :D
Oct 26 08:14:13 <damagednoob> weird, when apt-cache search, it doesn't return anything back
Oct 26 08:14:18 <damagednoob> when i*
Oct 26 08:15:49 <ropetin> Lemme even check if it's been ported... One sec...
Oct 26 08:15:56 * ropetin logs into his slug
Oct 26 08:17:15 <ropetin> Yup, ntfs-3g isn't currently available for armv5tel
Oct 26 08:18:36 <damagednoob> bugger
Oct 26 08:19:12 <damagednoob> is there another way to access ntfs partitions?
Oct 26 08:19:44 <ropetin> You need read/write or just read?
Oct 26 08:19:48 <damagednoob> read write
Oct 26 08:21:12 <ropetin> In which case I think you're SOL
Oct 26 08:21:21 <damagednoob> SOL?
Oct 26 08:21:34 <ropetin> shit out of luck
Oct 26 08:21:41 <damagednoob> hahha
Oct 26 08:22:17 <damagednoob> okay, i guess i'll have to make another plan
Oct 26 08:22:31 <ropetin> Why do you need to keep the partition NTFS?  Could you maybe migrate it to ext3 or soemthing?
Oct 26 08:24:05 <damagednoob> well it's a 250gb usb hdd that i move around a lot
Oct 26 08:24:08 <damagednoob> and at work i use windows :/
Oct 26 08:25:01 <ropetin> Ahh, ok
Oct 26 08:25:15 <ropetin> Well you could go for ext2, then install the Windows ext2 driver thing
Oct 26 08:26:42 <ropetin> Or do a search on google for nslu2 ntfs-3g, and click on the top link
Oct 26 08:31:20 <damagednoob> yeah i found that link before
Oct 26 08:31:36 <damagednoob> and then #debian led me to believe i could install it from a backpor
Oct 26 08:31:36 <damagednoob> t
Oct 26 08:32:25 <damagednoob> does that mean that i need to compile ntfs/fuse myself?
Oct 26 08:33:01 <ropetin> Ultimately yes, but I'm sure compiling it directly on the slug will take forever
Oct 26 08:33:06 <ropetin> If it works at all
Oct 26 08:34:23 <damagednoob> i think i'll take a look at the ex2 windows driver thing
Oct 26 08:34:27 <damagednoob> i didn't know it existed
Oct 26 08:34:56 <damagednoob> thanks for the help
Oct 26 08:36:22 <ropetin> It doesn't seem to have been backported
Oct 26 08:36:26 <ropetin> NP!
Oct 26 14:29:11 <PPmarcel> Salut
Oct 26 14:30:03 <PPmarcel> Je cherche à créer un proxy pour contourner le e filtrage de port de mon lieu de travail
Oct 26 14:30:37 <PPmarcel> Pour celà, je suis partis dans l'idée de créer un tunnel vpn vers ma maison, pour aller sur internet via chez moi
Oct 26 14:31:09 <PPmarcel> Est-ce que un vpn est adapté pour ça, ou bien est-ce qu'il existe une solution plus simple et mangeant moins de ressources?
Oct 26 14:33:31 <PPmarcel> Ah shame, i'm typing on the wrong channel ><
Oct 26 14:33:37 <PPmarcel> sORRY ^^'
Oct 26 14:43:05 <Nightw0lf> wow, i'm still able to understand some french
Oct 26 15:56:43 <laprjns> just got a nslu2 with fw 23R73, can i flash the latest unslug without problems
Oct 26 16:19:24 <laprjns> just got a nslu2 with fw 23R73, can i flash the latest unslug without problems
Oct 26 16:20:43 <pdc303> I'm no expert but I'm not aware of any firmware interfering with unslug, etc
Oct 26 16:21:13 <laprjns> does flashing with unslug just write over the existin fw?
Oct 26 16:21:34 <laprjns> *existing
Oct 26 16:23:43 <pdc303> I installed SlugOS/Debian
Oct 26 16:23:57 <pdc303> but I believe every firmware overwrites the existing Linksys one
Oct 26 16:25:05 <laprjns> Linksys says that R73 is not officially released, so if i need to revert I will have to go back r63
Oct 26 16:25:12 <laprjns> which is on the website.
Oct 26 16:25:43 <laprjns> i'm going to get my feet wet with unslug, them made move up to others
Oct 26 16:26:47 <pdc303> I've only used SlugOS/Debian and I don't have a web-browser to hand now to look up Unlug (I'm in the middle of a Gentoo install)
Oct 26 16:27:00 <pdc303> but afaik, you should have no problems
Oct 26 16:27:12 <pdc303> get a second opinion though :>
Oct 26 16:27:41 <laprjns> ok, thanks for the info, i'm out here for now
Oct 26 21:34:28 <chrisb> does an external usb hub work well on an nslu2 running slugosbe?
Oct 26 21:35:01 <chrisb> I want to run two disks, and a printer
Oct 26 21:45:22 <mwester> Yep
Oct 26 21:45:42 <ShadowJK_> works well for me
Oct 26 22:05:00 <chrisb> ah, that's good to know, thanks
Oct 26 22:15:10 <DrJ> works good for me also
Oct 27 00:26:00 <laprjns> so how long does a flash drive work if you use it for your unsling drive??
Oct 27 00:26:51 <DrJ> probably about 3 times as long as the nslu2 itself would last
Oct 27 00:27:29 <laprjns> even with having the swap partition on it?
Oct 27 00:27:30 <DrJ> I use my flash drive for swap on the nslu2
Oct 27 00:27:34 <DrJ> I calculated a while back
Oct 27 00:27:41 <DrJ> it should last 30 years for its service
Oct 27 00:28:03 <laprjns> i though they have about 100k wite cycles
Oct 27 00:28:14 <laprjns> *write
Oct 27 00:28:50 <DrJ> its more like a million
Oct 27 00:30:04 <laprjns> well, i just joined the club, flashing my nslu2 with unslug
Oct 27 00:30:48 <DrJ> either way
Oct 27 00:30:56 <DrJ> flash drives are cheaper than dirt anymore
Oct 27 00:31:43 <laprjns> i've got to "de-unclock" the nslug.  do you really just use nail cutters??
Oct 27 00:32:04 <DrJ> that's how I do it
Oct 27 00:32:18 <DrJ> I've done it to probably close to 30 slugs that way
Oct 27 00:32:34 <laprjns> does it just break the resistor, or does it tear off the solder joints?
Oct 27 00:32:42 <DrJ> depends
Oct 27 00:32:45 <DrJ> sometiems it breaks
Oct 27 00:32:52 <DrJ> sometimes it comes off cleanly
Oct 27 00:32:57 <DrJ> sometimes it turns to dust
Oct 27 00:33:22 <laprjns> in any case it always works after??
Oct 27 00:33:46 <DrJ> yes
Oct 27 00:33:49 <DrJ> as long as it comes off
Oct 27 00:34:01 <DrJ> how did you know I use the finger nail clipper method?
Oct 27 00:35:02 <laprjns> i've done a lot of reading on the nslug-linux website lately
Oct 27 00:35:53 <DrJ> did I sign something though with "DrJ"?
Oct 27 00:36:10 <DrJ> usually I sign with Jeremy Jefferson ... which you probably wouldn't know that is me
Oct 27 00:36:25 <laprjns> i knew it was a method, but did not know that you in particular did it that way
Oct 27 00:36:52 <DrJ> ah
Oct 27 00:36:56 <DrJ> ic
Oct 27 00:37:15 <DrJ> well, like I said
Oct 27 00:37:29 <DrJ> I've de-underclocked around 30 slugs ... all with finger nail clippers
Oct 27 00:37:33 <DrJ> works really good
Oct 27 00:37:55 <laprjns> 30?? you do this as a hobby?
Oct 27 00:37:57 <DrJ> hardest thing is getting the stupid case open
Oct 27 00:38:02 <DrJ> use to buy and resell them
Oct 27 00:38:28 <DrJ> I would buy them on ebay for $30-$50 on ebay ... de-underclock them, flash them with unslung (usually) and sell them for $80
Oct 27 00:39:02 <laprjns> i just bought my nslug from ebay, but it was new in the box
Oct 27 00:39:37 <laprjns> $35 plus $6 shipping
Oct 27 00:39:44 <DrJ> yea, they are getting cheaper
Oct 27 00:39:52 <DrJ> back when I did that I would be lucky to ever find one for that price
Oct 27 00:40:01 <DrJ> usually would paid around $45 total (after shipping)
Oct 27 00:40:10 <DrJ> usually wouldn't buy them if I had to pay more than that
Oct 27 00:40:30 <DrJ> was able to spend just like 10 minutes with each one and turn $45 into $80
Oct 27 00:41:00 <DrJ> got even more when I bundled them with hard drives
Oct 27 00:41:08 <DrJ> that already had unslung unslinged onto it
Oct 27 00:41:33 <DrJ> would usually cost around $90-$100 to get the nslu2 and the hd, sell for $175
Oct 27 00:41:43 <DrJ> plus shipping
Oct 27 00:41:55 <laprjns> nice, not doing it any more
Oct 27 00:42:20 <DrJ> no, it started to become hard to find any one ebay for a while
Oct 27 00:42:26 <DrJ> cheap enough to make a profit from anyways
Oct 27 00:42:51 * DrJ would usually buy 1-2 a week
Oct 27 00:43:22 <DrJ> so
Oct 27 00:43:27 <DrJ> what firmware are you going with?
Oct 27 00:44:06 <laprjns> i just flashed it with unslung
Oct 27 00:44:22 <DrJ> are you familiar with linux?
Oct 27 00:44:24 <laprjns> just getting my feet wet for now
Oct 27 00:44:51 <DrJ> like with, the command line that is
Oct 27 00:44:55 <laprjns> yes, I use zenwalk for my desktop, it's a slackware fork
Oct 27 00:45:25 <DrJ> yea, but are you familiar with command line
Oct 27 00:45:28 <DrJ> is what I was asking
Oct 27 00:45:43 <laprjns> know just enough command line stuff to get myself in and out of trouble
Oct 27 00:45:52 <DrJ> ah
Oct 27 00:46:07 <DrJ> SlugOS/BE is the best imo if you know linux commands
Oct 27 00:46:16 <DrJ> slugos supports more hardware than unslung
Oct 27 00:46:19 <DrJ> runs faster
Oct 27 00:46:23 <DrJ> transfers files faster
Oct 27 00:46:46 <DrJ> its just a little more complicated to setup and use
Oct 27 00:47:08 <DrJ> what are you planning on using your slug for?
Oct 27 00:47:49 <laprjns>  think i could eventually handle it, but like i said i'll get my feet wet with unslug
Oct 27 00:48:18 <laprjns> print server, file server and music server (ushare)
Oct 27 00:48:34 <DrJ> nice
Oct 27 00:48:43 <DrJ> you'll probably end up using it for a lot more stuff also
Oct 27 00:49:00 <laprjns> i want to try setting up cups first the move on to the others
Oct 27 00:49:25 <DrJ> its actually pretty easy to get cups working
Oct 27 00:49:41 <DrJ> I use mine as a print server also
Oct 27 00:50:50 <laprjns> i am already running those apps on my desktop server, so I know that i'll get it running
Oct 27 00:51:50 <laprjns> it be nice to get those running a device that uses only around 15 watts
Oct 27 00:52:49 <DrJ> yea
Oct 27 00:53:01 <laprjns> got to run, thanks for the info DrJ
Oct 27 00:53:18 <DrJ> and costs less than a printer server you would buy at like walmart or bestbuy
Oct 27 00:53:39 <DrJ> well, if you buy it from ebay anyways
Oct 27 00:53:46 <DrJ> walmart still charges like $80 for the nslu2
Oct 27 00:53:47 <laprjns> yea that's for sure
Oct 27 00:53:57 <DrJ> my local walmart actually still sells nslu2's
Oct 27 00:54:05 <DrJ> only store I've seen them at in a long time
Oct 27 00:54:44 <laprjns> what's the store with the firmware, my came with r73
Oct 27 00:54:53 <laprjns> *story
Oct 27 00:55:14 <DrJ> what do you mean?
Oct 27 00:55:14 <laprjns> linksys website only had r63
Oct 27 00:55:29 <DrJ> idk
Oct 27 00:55:42 <DrJ> haven't really ever dealt with the linksys firmware
Oct 27 00:56:07 <laprjns> had a chat with linksys customer service and they said that r73 was not released
Oct 27 00:56:19 <mwester> Linksys has not ever "officially" released anything newer than r63.  If you can convince their customer service people, they will send you a copy.
Oct 27 00:56:35 <DrJ> ahh, after a google
Oct 27 00:56:41 <DrJ> r73 is considered beta
Oct 27 00:56:44 <DrJ> probably always will be
Oct 27 00:57:06 <laprjns> bets, but it shipped in production units?
Oct 27 00:57:11 <laprjns> *beta
Oct 27 00:57:44 <DrJ> yea
Oct 27 00:57:45 <mwester> Yeah.  Go figure.
Oct 27 00:58:10 <laprjns> now that i'm unslung, i guess i really don't need it
Oct 27 00:58:31 <mwester> They use the same logic with the source -- GPL requires that they release the source, but I understand that they have not done that for anything newer than r63, perhaps because they haven't "officially" released the binaries.
Oct 27 00:58:36 <mwester> Neat trick if that's the reason.
Oct 27 00:59:10 <laprjns> any word on what the changes are from 63 to 73?
Oct 27 00:59:13 <mwester> laprjns:  It would have been nice to have seen some of the fixes in the R71/72/73 firmware -- Unslung is based on R63.
Oct 27 00:59:42 <DrJ> what fixes does 73 have?
Oct 27 01:00:23 <laprjns> i sent an email requesting a copy of the firmware, maybe I'll get it
Oct 27 01:00:30 <mwester> No real word.  I took apart an R72 binary that I happend to stumble upon on the net, seems it fixes the strange port mixup (the one that causes the special conditions documented int he "which port for Unslung" wiki page.
Oct 27 01:00:40 <mwester> )
Oct 27 01:00:52 * mwester forget the closing paren...
Oct 27 01:06:26 <laprjns> is there a default password for openssh
Oct 27 01:12:02 <mwester> It's what you set for the root password when you did the "unsling" command.
Oct 27 01:17:03 <laprjns> ssh doesn't seem to like the password that i use to telnet into the nslu2 with
Oct 27 01:18:13 <mwester> Make sure you're using the "root" id
Oct 27 01:20:00 <laprjns> ah, that was it, thanks
Oct 27 02:36:45 <arthur92710> Why does my hard drive not show up when I use a usb hub?
Oct 27 02:41:37 <arthur92710> I think it comes up as iProduct                3 USB 2.0  IDE DEVICE
Oct 27 02:42:04 <arthur92710> Bus 003 Device 042: ID 14cd:6600
Oct 27 02:42:50 <arthur92710> and the hub is
Oct 27 02:42:54 <arthur92710> Bus 003 Device 041: ID 03eb:0902 Atmel Corp.
Oct 27 02:57:38 <arthur92710> any ideas?
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