**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 05 02:59:58 2009 Jan 05 10:09:37 hi Jan 05 10:11:40 got a problem with my slug, running debian (at the time it worked) Jan 05 10:11:49 linksysfirmware just works Jan 05 10:12:25 i was running debian, but suddenly it did not accept my password any more (ssh), so I was thinking it was rootkitted or something.. so I shut it down. Jan 05 10:13:02 I wasn't able to boot it again. I reflashed sda1-2.6.24-1.bin firmware, tried to boot with the USB-stick (with root-filesystem connected) Jan 05 10:13:54 but my slug starts, leds blink.. I get aan knight-rider like effect with the leds, the power led turns red and it restarts automatically Jan 05 10:14:12 there are no traces of any boot-activity or problems in the logs on the usb-stick Jan 05 10:14:36 well, worst case scenario surely you can plug the USB stick into another PC to copy any important files, and reinstall from scratch? Jan 05 10:14:49 hi, Appocomaster... Jan 05 10:14:53 yeah, of course :) Jan 05 10:14:58 I'm afraid i've got to do that Jan 05 10:15:12 but i never installed debian iwth the installer... Jan 05 10:15:22 how did you install it? Jan 05 10:15:28 (I want to know, as I couldn't make it work with the installer :P) Jan 05 10:15:31 not with the installer Jan 05 10:15:35 :) Jan 05 10:15:40 just installed it straight onto the USB pen? Jan 05 10:16:25 root fs tarball on usb pen and kernel-image incl. nic driver and root-on-sda1 settings Jan 05 10:16:38 http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/files/sda1-2.6.24-1.bin Jan 05 10:16:49 that doesn't really sound more simple :( Jan 05 10:17:34 thanks though :) Jan 05 10:17:56 it's not that hard Jan 05 10:17:58 it worked Jan 05 10:18:09 but now I can't starrt...it keeps restarting.. Jan 05 10:18:20 and i don't have a serial port :( Jan 05 15:38:17 hi guys Jan 05 15:38:34 i'd like to know if iproute2 is available for unslung Jan 05 15:39:49 Did you check the ipkg search engine on the wiki? Jan 05 15:40:19 yep i did Jan 05 15:40:28 not there :( Jan 05 15:58:49 ./configure;make;make install ? ;-) Jan 05 16:35:55 I've flashed my slug with a debian (4.0r2/3) image to install. it didn't work - it breaks half way through the install each time due to some usb error. I think it's fixed in the 5.0 image, but I don't know how I'd install the new image. any suggestions? Jan 05 16:45:14 I can't even reset the nslu2 to the 'original' way it was, nor is there a nice http thing to use so I can flash it Jan 05 16:47:21 Appocomaster: take a look here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/SercommFirmwareUpdater Jan 05 16:48:03 ahh great! Jan 05 16:48:04 thanks Jan 05 17:00:16 does anyne know how to add CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER= y # CONFIG_IP_MULTIPLE_TABLES=y to the unslung kernel? Jan 05 18:23:11 Appocomaster, can't you use the redboot rescue mode with upslug2 ? Jan 05 20:42:45 Appocomaster: I'm currently doing this: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/unpack.html Jan 05 21:02:33 uski: using debian ? Jan 05 21:06:09 Appocomaster, yea Jan 05 21:06:18 apt-get install upslug2 Jan 05 21:06:32 shut down your slug, press the power button while holding and keeping the reset button Jan 05 21:06:40 keep the reset button pressed until the status LED turns to red Jan 05 21:06:46 when it turns to red, release the reset button Jan 05 21:06:53 the status led should now blink red/green/red/green/red... Jan 05 21:06:56 now, run: Jan 05 21:07:05 please dont spam the channel Jan 05 21:07:12 spam? Jan 05 21:07:13 sudo upslug2 --image=image_you_want_to_flash Jan 05 21:07:22 huge blocks of text like that is spamming Jan 05 21:07:28 use a pastebin or similar Jan 05 21:07:29 mwester: we still near the release of slugos 5 Jan 05 21:07:33 Reedy, I wish all spammers would be like me Jan 05 21:07:38 * snuiter too :-) Jan 05 21:07:38 ;) Jan 05 21:07:41 uski: I don't have debian install ... Jan 05 21:07:43 *installed Jan 05 21:07:47 * snuiter 's got Viagra for sale Jan 05 21:07:47 my debian installer doesn't work Jan 05 21:07:54 debian installer sucks big time Jan 05 21:07:56 it messes up half way through Jan 05 21:08:01 Appocomaster, I meant using debian on a PC to recover the slug Jan 05 21:08:01 due to some usb-type-issue Jan 05 21:08:04 ah Jan 05 21:08:06 You can get upslug2 on various OS's... Jan 05 21:08:08 I have ubuntu, that'd be ok Jan 05 21:08:13 yeah Jan 05 21:08:13 yea it will work Jan 05 21:08:20 apt-get on there will work fine Jan 05 21:09:16 DrJ: A major milestone was reached a week ago -- the unstable feeds are now EABI; SlugOS is now up to 5.2-alpha. It's just "mopping-up" time now before it gets released... and that's based on the number of alpha testers, not on time :) Jan 05 21:09:28 uski: if it's roughly the same as the windows equilivent pasted by Nightwolf earlier, I'll use that, as otherwise I have to reboot Jan 05 21:10:07 Appocomaster, I don't think it's the same at all Jan 05 21:10:09 lemme check Jan 05 21:10:23 they both seem to consist of adding images over the network? Jan 05 21:10:29 nevermind, it's the same Jan 05 21:10:39 yeah Jan 05 21:10:57 sercomm tool isnt as reliable at detection at times.. but its pretty much the sae Jan 05 21:11:00 i pray that 5.0 works Jan 05 21:11:11 Appocomaster, I am using the latest debian on my slug Jan 05 21:11:11 otherwise i'll be tarballing it Jan 05 21:11:14 flashed it yesterday Jan 05 21:11:20 ...and i'm not sure I'll keep it Jan 05 21:11:21 is it wrong to want to install debian purely to use things like apt-get? :P Jan 05 21:11:24 what? Jan 05 21:11:28 debian on the slug Jan 05 21:11:34 debian is not meant to be used on such small devices Jan 05 21:11:40 it's too slow? Jan 05 21:11:41 it installed exim4... wtf... Jan 05 21:11:47 it's not slow, but it takes a LOT of ram Jan 05 21:11:51 so it's going to swap Jan 05 21:12:06 I wanted to run my slug off a flash drive, so I cannot tolerate swapping Jan 05 21:12:15 I'm going to probably just use it to (if I can) act as a print server, but mainly to share stuff... and run screen sessions of irssi Jan 05 21:12:25 as for the print server, i recommend p910nd Jan 05 21:12:42 i have a nasty hp thing that wants me to install about 100 programs on my windows machines Jan 05 21:12:50 I can't be having with installing all that overhead to print a document out Jan 05 21:12:53 :| Jan 05 21:13:20 people love all these "utilities" Jan 05 21:13:26 with lots of graphics and sound and other useless crap Jan 05 21:13:38 * Appocomaster sighs Jan 05 21:13:57 the bad news is that you're still going to install all that crap even if you print over the network Jan 05 21:14:03 I got excited about a version of putty I could use at work that highlights links for when I use irssi Jan 05 21:14:22 did you consider trying openwrt? Jan 05 21:14:28 no Jan 05 21:14:29 or maybe slugos Jan 05 21:14:38 for my slug, yes? not for sshing in windows? :p Jan 05 21:14:41 well at least one of these has a package with p910nd Jan 05 21:14:43 yea for the slug Jan 05 21:14:56 i'm pretty sure they also have screen and irssi Jan 05 21:15:01 and they must have samba Jan 05 21:15:34 yep Jan 05 21:15:52 I admit I just stuck with what I know Jan 05 21:16:07 as do most people Jan 05 21:16:09 however, I'm going to be using a 500GB hard drive, so I'm assuming that swapping would be less of an issue :p Jan 05 21:16:29 I guess I should consider using a flash drive just for the os itself? Jan 05 21:17:06 not necesserily Jan 05 21:17:19 a lot of people use flash drives/mini hard drives Jan 05 21:17:57 ? Jan 05 21:18:02 for the os Jan 05 21:18:08 I said maybe I should use a flash drive in addition to my 500 GB hard drive Jan 05 21:18:08 and then a larger external drive Jan 05 21:18:21 * DrJ uses a flash drive for his swap Jan 05 21:18:23 yeah, but there is no *need* to Jan 05 21:18:59 I guess. I won't be moving the hard drive in a hurry either Jan 05 21:19:15 Appocomaster, I really don't see the point of using the slug with its filesystem stored on a harddrive Jan 05 21:19:26 ? Jan 05 21:19:29 One of the reasons for the built-in support for raid in SlugOS 5 is to be able to support swapping on flash drives better. Jan 05 21:19:29 you can't just take the harddrive with you for example, it must stay connected to the slug Jan 05 21:19:42 uski: the point is it won't Jan 05 21:19:50 (i mean, using the slug with it's OS stored on a harddrive) Jan 05 21:20:04 mwester, swapping on flash drives get better with raid? Jan 05 21:20:04 yeah, but some people arent wanting portability Jan 05 21:20:07 I'm planning on using the slug a) instead of leaving on several power-hungry pcs / laptops Jan 05 21:20:08 uski: its so you can make the nslu2 into a file server, web server or what not Jan 05 21:20:17 hard to fit everything onto a flash drive or the internal ram Jan 05 21:20:22 and b) to act as something I can connect to externally via ssh / scp Jan 05 21:20:27 it makes a nice low power, small, server Jan 05 21:20:36 where I'll probably copy stuff to / from home Jan 05 21:20:38 and c) as a print server Jan 05 21:21:11 DrJ, I totally agree, but I think that Debian is not optimal for use with the slug - it's simply not made to be used that way (and I do like Debian, I use it as my main OS) Jan 05 21:21:27 ShadowJK: One of the fears is that swapping on a flash device will make it fail sooner -- by supporting mirrored RAID at first boot time, SlugOS 5 will allow those who really want to swap on flash to do so, secure in the knowlege that when/if a flash device fails, the slug continues running. Jan 05 21:21:37 for most uses, the flash area inside the slug is enough to store everything, especially if you use a very compact firmware like openwrt Jan 05 21:22:03 uski: it really depends on what you intend to use it for Jan 05 21:22:17 by the way, i'm looking for memory chips to put more RAM inside my slug - does anyone of you has some old SDRAM modules laying around ? o:) Jan 05 21:22:28 Ah, so it will still be slow :-) Jan 05 21:22:37 (due to write amplification) Jan 05 21:22:39 mwester: I think someone here told me it would take like 10 years for the slug to kill a flash drive Jan 05 21:23:00 uski: half my ram is SDRAM :( Jan 05 21:23:16 but who cares anymore Jan 05 21:23:22 flash drive are not dirt cheap Jan 05 21:23:32 the other problem with swapping on a flash drive is that... it's VERY slow Jan 05 21:23:33 *are dirt cheap? Jan 05 21:23:34 in fact, on ebay you can actually use dirt to pay for them I believe Jan 05 21:23:48 ya Jan 05 21:23:49 are Jan 05 21:23:59 (i've been swapping on a SD card to install debian cause the debian installer is too big to fit in 32MB) Jan 05 21:24:31 the flash drive I got on my slug for swap costed me $50 back in its day Jan 05 21:24:35 its only 256mb Jan 05 21:24:45 DrJ: I think that's probably correct. But it's an objection that many people have. And with the newer kernel, the OOM killer is more aggressive, so you'll need swap space (even if it's never used). Jan 05 21:24:45 heh, reminds me the good old days... Jan 05 21:24:48 now its not worth the penny in front of me on my desk Jan 05 21:25:49 I wonder what size flash drive you can get these days for $50USD Jan 05 21:25:55 * DrJ hasn't looked at them lately Jan 05 21:26:00 probably like 32GB Jan 05 21:26:04 idd Jan 05 21:26:07 DrJ: 32GB Jan 05 21:26:12 wow Jan 05 21:26:25 compared to my 256mb one that costed $50 like 4-5 years ago Jan 05 21:26:37 hmmm maybe I should buy one for backups... I realize it's not that expensive Jan 05 21:27:15 * DrJ needs to pick up a 32GB one Jan 05 21:27:16 http://www.amazon.com/DATA-C801-32GB-Flash-Drive/dp/B001DBP5C8/ << A-DATA C801 32GB USB Flash Drive - $49.75 Jan 05 21:27:18 that would be awesome Jan 05 21:27:23 mine right now is 2GB Jan 05 21:27:38 what would you put on 32GB? Jan 05 21:27:47 nothing I can say in here :( Jan 05 21:28:03 ;) Jan 05 21:28:03 what Jan 05 21:28:07 your porn collection? Jan 05 21:28:22 who knows :( Jan 05 21:28:34 I bet it's 30 gigs of wilma and fred lookalikes Jan 05 21:28:41 oh god Jan 05 21:28:42 no Jan 05 21:29:23 I don't think I would have use right now for a flash drive that is 32GB Jan 05 21:29:30 but I'm running out on my 2GB one Jan 05 21:30:04 I know I would experiment with trying to put an operating system on it Jan 05 21:30:29 I would be afraid of wearing it real fast Jan 05 21:30:58 cause most filesystems are not made to be used that way because they update some data very frequently - there are those wear-levelling algorithms but still... Jan 05 21:31:26 by the way - everyone must know about it but I prefer to be sure: if you ever mount an ext3 partition on a flash drive, be sure to mount it with the noatime option Jan 05 21:31:31 if it died on me uski Jan 05 21:31:34 I would just take it back to walmart Jan 05 21:31:36 otherwise there will be a write on the device for each read... Jan 05 21:31:39 DrJ, hahaha good plan Jan 05 21:31:53 actually that will work! Jan 05 21:32:00 yes it would Jan 05 21:32:05 I could even test it that way Jan 05 21:32:07 go buy one Jan 05 21:32:09 try it out Jan 05 21:32:09 i've had corsair RMA 2 512mb sticks that my nslu2 killed Jan 05 21:32:11 after I'm done Jan 05 21:32:12 return it Jan 05 21:32:16 came back as 4gb Jan 05 21:32:16 money back Jan 05 21:32:19 and 10 year warranty Jan 05 21:32:33 walmart is cracking down on returns though Jan 05 21:32:45 you have to show your receipt now, sign a paper, and produce an id Jan 05 21:32:56 you are limited to 3 returns/year Jan 05 21:33:00 wtf Jan 05 21:33:06 well Jan 05 21:33:13 that is without receipt I guess Jan 05 21:33:27 ah Jan 05 21:33:27 the limit that is Jan 05 21:33:33 I've had / on an SD card for over a year now, still working Jan 05 21:33:37 so guys, what am i installing instead of debian? Jan 05 21:33:46 I even forget about noatime... Jan 05 21:33:47 heh Jan 05 21:33:54 Appocomaster: try slugos Jan 05 21:34:23 by the way, why is there a LE and a BE edition? Jan 05 21:34:40 thanks DrJ Jan 05 21:34:45 oh man Jan 05 21:34:46 awesome Jan 05 21:34:56 look what I just found at walmart.com while looking for flash drives Jan 05 21:34:56 if people bother maintaning both, there must be a good reason Jan 05 21:34:57 http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=10264042 Jan 05 21:35:00 * DrJ wants one of those Jan 05 21:35:20 haha Jan 05 21:35:22 nice Jan 05 21:35:33 theres various web tools to control them Jan 05 21:35:39 i should buy one and bring it at work Jan 05 21:35:53 uski: I think one is for lower end systems and one for higher end Jan 05 21:35:55 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/SlugOS/HomePage Jan 05 21:36:00 man Jan 05 21:36:11 * DrJ is just getting all kinds of ideas for that usb rocket launcher Jan 05 21:36:12 I thought there was a little-endian and a big-endian one, and that was it Jan 05 21:36:19 they are Jan 05 21:36:26 LE = little endian, BE = big endian :/ Jan 05 21:36:27 :p Jan 05 21:36:47 I had a problem while scanning over the network with SlugOS/BE as a scanner server Jan 05 21:36:51 that would make an awesome alarm clock Reedy Jan 05 21:36:53 i was wondering if it was an endianness problem Jan 05 21:36:54 aim it at your bed Jan 05 21:36:55 hehe Jan 05 21:37:02 have your computer start shooting you when its time to wake up Jan 05 21:37:08 hahah i totally need an alarm clock like that Jan 05 21:37:27 or maybe one that shakes my bed if I don't get up quickly enough Jan 05 21:39:03 I'm a bit disappointed by Linksys - the CPU has so many possibilies, and most IOs are buried in the circuit board Jan 05 21:39:13 thanks god we have the 3 additionnal USB ports Jan 05 21:39:36 I hardwired a USB SD card reader to one of these Jan 05 21:41:43 (you know about these USB ports right? there are actually 5 USB ports on the slug, 3 of these being available as pads on the circuit board) Jan 05 21:42:48 cool, but my soldering sucks Jan 05 21:43:18 why does everyone says that? ;D Jan 05 21:43:42 ahh Jan 05 21:43:45 I admit soldering may be a bit tricky, especially on those small components Jan 05 21:43:56 I fried a circuit board for my electronics project Jan 05 21:44:03 my piano was a bit quirky after that Jan 05 21:44:31 and generally people do not have the right tools (a good soldering iron with a thin tip, good solder, flux pen, ...) Jan 05 21:44:45 oh, my problem was the stuff I was using was too good at home Jan 05 21:44:49 I was used to the naff stuff at school Jan 05 21:44:50 it's really not possible to solder correctly with a $1 soldering iron and 70s era solder Jan 05 21:44:53 and left the head on for too long Jan 05 21:44:58 *heat Jan 05 21:48:56 I'm under the impression that my slug automatically shuts itself down... Jan 05 21:49:12 I either have a very bad memory or there is something wrong with it Jan 05 21:50:09 does anyone know if a slug in upgrade mode responds to ping? Jan 05 21:50:16 because mine doesn't appear to be doing so Jan 05 21:50:24 is it blinking red/green/... ? Jan 05 21:50:26 yes Jan 05 21:50:36 i did the 10 second trick Jan 05 21:50:47 i don't know if it's supposed to answer or not, but I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't Jan 05 21:50:57 in upgrade mode you're talking to the bootloader Jan 05 21:50:59 because I can't remember what IP address it has Jan 05 21:51:01 and usually a bootloader is kept simple Jan 05 21:51:16 and this windows flashing tool thing can't find it Jan 05 21:51:18 a slug in upgrade mode does not look at the settings of the installed OS Jan 05 21:51:29 i suggest trying with upslug2 Jan 05 21:51:42 it always found mine and never failed Jan 05 21:51:43 I'll do that tomorrow i think :( Jan 05 21:51:51 I'm willing to give it a try (and fail) Jan 05 21:52:13 you can't really fail with upslug2 Jan 05 21:52:16 it just works Jan 05 21:52:19 heh Jan 05 21:52:24 some days... Jan 05 21:54:38 and why does my slug need like 10mins to boot Jan 05 21:55:06 * uski definitely doesn't like Debian on his slug Jan 05 21:55:51 you just need more ... hardware? :p Jan 05 21:56:08 i just need to ditch Debian in favor of openwrt or slugos Jan 05 21:56:22 but Debian too so long to install that I'm not sure I want to remove it... Jan 05 21:56:31 now that it's there... Jan 05 21:57:46 that's how Debian gets you Jan 05 21:57:55 next you'll be wondering about tweaking the packages... then the kernel Jan 05 22:00:04 don't worry I've already tweaked the kernel... but on my laptop, not on the slug Jan 05 22:00:24 I don't want to get into the hassle of installing a crosscompiler... or even worse, having the slug compile its own kernel Jan 05 22:00:33 :) Jan 05 22:00:47 that may take days Jan 05 22:01:01 yea.. Jan 05 22:01:14 anyway, thanks again guys, I'll probably be back tomorrow night trying to coax my slug into action Jan 05 22:01:19 :) Jan 05 22:16:10 slug runs debian again Jan 05 22:16:13 :) Jan 05 22:31:47 openwrt is so neat... there's so much space available with the default install Jan 05 22:31:49 it's awesome Jan 05 23:24:03 anyone know what's going on with the slugos repo the master makefile uses? Jan 05 23:28:32 We know *all* about it. Jan 05 23:28:57 mwester: can you explain what's going on? Jan 05 23:29:42 It has completed the first round of autobuilds, and should now be going on building, as normal -- although it will periodically "lock up" until it times out waiting for a dead OE git repo. Jan 05 23:30:44 ? Jan 05 23:30:55 But of course, since you didn't say specifically what your issue is, or even if you have encountered an issue, I'm just guessing as to the correct answer you might be searching for. Jan 05 23:31:01 no Jan 05 23:31:19 the dead OE git repo is messing up my 'make slugosbe-image' Jan 05 23:31:39 define "messing up" Jan 05 23:32:46 http://pastebin.ca/1300511 Jan 05 23:33:06 yep Jan 05 23:33:35 i don't understand the issue and what's going on or how to resolve Jan 05 23:34:12 git.openembedded.net is AWOL - server is not responding. The OE team is aware of it, but are having trouble getting a response from the hosting company, as I understand the current status. Jan 05 23:35:12 that sucks, i can't build anything now.... Jan 05 23:35:13 =( Jan 05 23:36:46 There's a mirror at repo.or.cz/r/openembedded.git but you'll have to figure out what to edit in the Makefile to use that instead (I've not done it, and have no time to sort that out myself right now :( So I've just stopped my builders locally until this gets sorted.) Jan 05 23:37:42 mwester: =( Jan 05 23:38:09 i was on vacation, but back now Jan 05 23:38:18 I haven't fully migrated over to my DSM-G600 Jan 05 23:38:47 have you commited any fixes since early december for SlugOS on the DSM-G600? Jan 05 23:40:00 Not specifically for the dsmg600, but SlugOS 5.x has switched to EABI -- so you'll need a complete re-build from scratch to get the new stuff. Jan 05 23:40:23 a new ABI? Jan 05 23:40:30 I fixed the atheros driver so it builds again... but that's pretty trivial. Jan 05 23:40:55 does that mean all packages must be re-compiled for SlugOS 5.x? Jan 05 23:41:14 Yep, a new ABI - google EABI for details. And yes, all packages must be recompiled. The "unstable" feeds have already switched over. Jan 05 23:42:23 This is so dissapointing... I wanted to do all this stuff... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 06 02:59:56 2009