**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 13 02:59:57 2009 Jan 13 05:11:17 i'm thinking about setting up a traffic monitor on the slug Jan 13 05:11:34 maybe mrtg + thttpd Jan 13 05:12:20 is there a smaller more secure webserver than thttpd for slugosbe? Jan 13 05:16:55 dunno about secure, but the busybox httpd is enabled in the alpha 5.2 SlugOS builds... Jan 13 05:22:12 lighttpd might be worth checked out, and then there's cherokee of course. Jan 13 05:22:34 ah, interesting. Jan 13 05:22:41 * chrisb goes to check his os version Jan 13 05:25:13 mwester: no httpd in my busybox Jan 13 05:25:24 * chrisb goes to check cherokee Jan 13 05:25:31 yeah, you need SlugOS 5.2 for that. Jan 13 05:26:47 mwester: i still can't get sane to work Jan 13 05:27:12 ok Jan 13 13:13:17 anyone know if there is custom development for Synology DiskStation DS-207+? Jan 13 15:13:33 tune2fs settings don't seem to generate e2fsck checks after a certain number of mounts Jan 13 15:13:38 on slugosbe Jan 13 15:14:09 is this a usb issue or a filesystem issue? Jan 13 15:14:34 does touch /forcefsck work on these systems? Jan 13 15:15:04 i have gone a whole year without an fsck on /media/sda1 Jan 13 15:22:29 chrisb: there's no console -- where exactly would a fsck send the "fix? y/n" message if something was found? There is no auto fsck on slugos. Jan 13 15:24:57 mwester: i'm not even talking about my root partition yet, just the huge partition where I do backups, which is mounted after boot Jan 13 15:26:15 chrisb: doesn't make any difference -- the fstab is processed for autofsck at the same time, which is during init. There's no console that appears after init either. Jan 13 15:26:33 mwester: i think there are ways to handle fscking the root partition, like setting flags -y and/or -e mount-ro, Jan 13 15:26:55 mwester: ok, i need to slow down and think about what you are saying here Jan 13 15:27:41 Yes, there are -- and other distros have attempted that, with (usually) bad results. We choose to leave it up to the end user to do it, rather than leave you out-of-the-blue with a system that all-of-a-sudden, for no reason you'll ever find out, refuses to boot (because fsck -y auto-broke something!) :D Jan 13 16:08:33 mwester-laptop: so, maybe you answered and i missed it... Jan 13 16:08:54 mwester-laptop: do you have an approach for the right way to fsck my root partition on disk? Jan 13 16:09:41 mwester-laptop: maybe disconnect and just boot the flash and then connect the USB drive and fsck the disk partitions? Jan 13 16:20:21 me think that it is much faster, to boot a live distro (or use your running linux) and use the fsck from this distro (assuming that your workbox is faster as a nslu) Jan 13 16:45:33 caplink811_log: ah, good point Jan 13 19:13:37 is there a http server built-in to SlugOS-5.2-alpha? Jan 13 19:16:02 the busybox httpd option is turned on, so that there is an httpd executable. To be honest, that was enabled just because I had need for a simple file transfer means, and it offered a way to convert strings to html-encoding and back, so there's not init startup files or anything like that. Jan 13 19:16:45 mwester: that's what i meant, i remembered the conversation you had last night, i just looked at the log to re-read it Jan 13 19:17:29 I guess if someone were to find it useful, I might not turn it off for the release. Jan 13 19:17:59 We still have a bit of flash space left, although less and less as we re-instate packages that busybox just can't quite replace :( Jan 13 19:18:32 mwester: do you have a recommendation for a http server for SlugOS 5.2-alpha? right now i'm using lighttpd and using it to run a php app via fastcgi Jan 13 19:19:54 should I use thttpd instead? Jan 13 19:20:19 no particular recommendation... Jan 13 19:20:29 whatever works! :) Jan 13 19:21:41 mwester: cool Jan 13 19:24:25 mwester: i tried creating a sane-backends_svn.bb file, but couldn't get it to build, I built a prior version of libusb v0.1 and sane now looks like it's working... Jan 13 22:22:17 Grteetings. I have a questions about my unslung NSLU2 running the 6.8beta version of the firmware. Jan 13 22:23:23 I was thinking I should upgrade to 6.10, but the 'current firmware' page says that 6.10 is NOT recommended for 6.8 users. I can't find out WHY, though. Jan 13 22:23:40 This acccording to: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/HomePage Jan 13 22:25:44 Theres no changes for you Jan 13 22:25:59 just some newer packages that are installed by default IIRC Jan 13 22:26:30 as long as you keep your packages up to date (ipkg update; ipkg upgrade) theres no reason to upgrade Jan 13 22:26:35 So ipkg update ; ipkg upgrade should take care of it? Jan 13 22:26:47 I type slow. ;) Jan 13 22:27:01 Thanks for the info. Jan 13 22:27:35 :) Jan 13 22:28:10 The things that ipkg doesn't update (mostly) shouldn't matter to a running Unslung install. :) Jan 13 22:28:27 Gotcha. Jan 13 22:28:34 yeah Jan 13 22:28:50 if it got messed up, and needed to reinstall sure do it Jan 13 22:29:05 While I'm here, one other question. I'm finding rsync runs incredibly slowly for a 'larger' filesystem. Jan 13 22:29:34 define larger? larger partition/whatever? Jan 13 22:29:39 is it ok on smaller? Jan 13 22:30:14 Even a moderately sized rsync of /home/ took about 45 minutes from exectution to actually transferring files. It sits at "receiving file list" for a LONG time. And this is on a 100Mbps LAN. Jan 13 22:30:30 Yes, smaller (a few meg) runs fine. Jan 13 22:30:36 is it de underclocked? Jan 13 22:31:32 Is the slug underclocked? I haven't done anything w/ clocking AFAIK. Jan 13 22:31:49 cat /proc/cpuinfo.. There should be a bogo MIPS line Jan 13 22:31:54 (without the ..) Jan 13 22:32:30 131.48 Jan 13 22:32:53 yours is underclocked Jan 13 22:32:58 de-underclocking it may help a bit Jan 13 22:33:02 *should Jan 13 22:33:03 FYI, I've tried via NFS and SSH. Jan 13 22:33:06 * chrisb also finds rsync "slow" Jan 13 22:33:12 Got a link to a howto? Jan 13 22:33:18 Or should I jsut google? Jan 13 22:33:25 but I think the speed is determined by the USB link Jan 13 22:33:51 I've used the drive on native linux/USB and had it run much faster. Jan 13 22:33:53 * chrisb is currently rsyncing a debian mirror Jan 13 22:33:56 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OverClockTheSlug Jan 13 22:34:05 Just need to break/remove a specific resister Jan 13 22:34:07 resistor Jan 13 22:34:33 s/Reedy/Speedy Jan 13 22:34:45 Reedy: that's a compliment Jan 13 22:34:46 Ok, I can likely handle that. Thx. (and yes, I know if I break it, I bought it. :) Jan 13 22:34:48 :) Jan 13 22:34:59 heh, yeah Jan 13 22:35:13 but its very simple and easy if you follow the instructions properly Jan 13 22:35:16 the Colin Powell doctrine of hardware hacking Jan 13 22:35:28 chrisb, not the first time i've been called that (and im not meaning in a sexual way!) Jan 13 22:35:37 LOL Jan 13 22:35:43 I think the hardest part is opening the case sometimes Jan 13 22:37:25 At least, opening the case without breaking the little tabs is hard. :) Jan 13 22:37:49 I'm laughing at the part about voiding the warranty. I've had this thing a LONG time. heh. Jan 13 22:37:53 hey mike :) Jan 13 22:37:56 Otherwise, just pull harder when they start to separate -- eventually, you'll get it open. :D Jan 13 22:37:58 well, yeah, is not being too rough, but enough to get it open Jan 13 22:38:05 mwester: any ideas about how to fsck the root partition on an slugosbe external disk? Jan 13 22:38:16 mwester: move it to another box and fsck it? Jan 13 22:38:19 chrisb, use another machine? Jan 13 22:38:39 Reedy: ok. Jan 13 22:38:52 This may be a bit off-the-wall, but do you know of anyone plugging a Drobo into a Slug? Jan 13 22:39:00 im sure someone has Jan 13 22:39:35 Mine's on order. I'm goofy enough to try it. Jan 13 22:39:54 i'd probably get a droboshare to go with it tbh Jan 13 22:40:22 chrisb: poweroff, unplug drives, then: Jan 13 22:40:48 a) plug in drive(s), and fsck them from the slug (while its booted internally) Jan 13 22:41:00 * chrisb thinks of his slug as the core piece of hardware, with which he could bring up and restore his whole installation after a disaster Jan 13 22:41:09 b) that's slow on big disks, so feel free to plug them into a Linux system and fsck them there Jan 13 22:41:18 :) Jan 13 22:41:48 mwester: i'll try that Jan 13 22:42:19 drobo? Jan 13 22:42:22 * chrisb goes to check Jan 13 22:42:42 "storage robot" Jan 13 22:42:51 fancy-pants resizable RAID. Jan 13 22:42:57 does some auto raiding things with any size drives Jan 13 22:43:12 And slightly less spendy no that Amazon has a $50 rebate AND reduced pricing. Jan 13 22:43:26 * no = now Jan 13 22:45:45 I just had two drives fail about 2 weeks apart. Sadly, the first was the backup of the second and the replacement had just arrived. Jan 13 22:45:53 Perfect Storm of data loss. Jan 13 22:46:17 Got caught w/ my pants down, so I've convinced the wife to spend some $$$ on redundancy. Jan 13 22:46:47 that's a shame. i guess i am at risk for that too Jan 13 22:46:55 suspect most people are Jan 13 22:47:53 i only power up the backup drive for rysncing to the first slug drive Jan 13 22:48:10 so i'm counting on the backup to last longer Jan 13 22:48:18 no guarantee, though Jan 13 22:48:30 depends whether you believe that powering off would indeed increase the drive life Jan 13 22:48:40 or it would shorten it through more spin up/spin down cycles Jan 13 22:48:55 The 'backup' drive got taken out by a flaky power supply in the case. It was the newest drive and still under warranty. But warranty doesn't help my data. Jan 13 22:49:08 Drive does clock-of-death and no BIOS recognition. Jan 13 22:51:12 Well guys, thanks for the tips. Headin' home. Jan 13 22:52:47 http://www.usenix.org/events/usenix03/tech/freenix03/kistler.html Jan 13 22:52:50 console over ethernet **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jan 14 02:59:57 2009