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Jan 29 13:14:10 <bizkut> it
Jan 29 20:04:44 <dralbin> hello gurus
Jan 29 20:05:00 <dralbin> i need help diagnosing my nslu
Jan 29 20:05:31 <dralbin> anyone eager to help me? :)
Jan 29 20:05:49 <DrJ> ?
Jan 29 20:06:18 <dralbin> i take that as a yes
Jan 29 20:06:58 <DrJ> depends on your problem
Jan 29 20:07:06 <dralbin> i have performance trouble when downloading from the internet
Jan 29 20:07:36 <DrJ> going to have to be more specific than that
Jan 29 20:07:40 <dralbin> hehe
Jan 29 20:07:41 <dralbin> i know
Jan 29 20:07:48 <DrJ> and tell us which distro you are using
Jan 29 20:08:43 <dralbin> V2.3R63-uNSLUng-6.8-beta
Jan 29 20:09:08 <DrJ> okay, so what do you mean "downloading from the internet"
Jan 29 20:09:30 <dralbin> i can logon to the slug and everything
Jan 29 20:09:51 <dralbin> but if i try to wget somehing its really slow
Jan 29 20:10:39 <dralbin> the traffic on my local network is fast but when going through my router its not
Jan 29 20:10:59 <DrJ> so this affects all computers?
Jan 29 20:11:05 <DrJ> not just your nslu2
Jan 29 20:11:07 <dralbin> some dns names can't be lookup up from the slug either
Jan 29 20:11:15 <dralbin> just the slug
Jan 29 20:11:28 <dralbin> i have a kubuntu that i compare with
Jan 29 20:11:39 <DrJ> sure you didn't just get a download from a slow server
Jan 29 20:11:42 <dralbin> going throug the same gateway/router
Jan 29 20:12:04 <dralbin> i try the same file on both computers
Jan 29 20:12:24 <dralbin> and not all urls work
Jan 29 20:12:54 <dralbin> if i try to wget http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/databases/relational/postgresql/pgadmin3/release/v1.8.4/slackware/pgadmin3-1.8.4.tgz
Jan 29 20:13:02 <dralbin> from my kubuntu its really fast
Jan 29 20:13:17 <dralbin> over 1mb/s at least (all my isp gives me)'
Jan 29 20:13:28 <dralbin> but from the slug it does not even work
Jan 29 20:13:59 <Reedy> have you set your gateway and dns servers on the web gui?
Jan 29 20:14:12 <Reedy> *default
Jan 29 20:14:22 <dralbin> no using dhcp
Jan 29 20:14:36 <dralbin> do i have to do it manually?
Jan 29 20:14:42 <DrJ> no, but you should
Jan 29 20:15:18 <dralbin> best-practice or why?
Jan 29 20:15:43 <DrJ> because servers should be static
Jan 29 20:15:47 <DrJ> just a general rule
Jan 29 20:17:17 <dralbin> ok ill try that
Jan 29 20:17:32 <dralbin> if can remember the password for the web gui :)
Jan 29 20:17:40 <dralbin> anyone has the default one handy?
Jan 29 20:18:04 <DrJ> default one is uNSLUng I believe
Jan 29 20:18:11 <DrJ> for the pass
Jan 29 20:18:14 <DrJ> root for the username
Jan 29 20:18:23 <DrJ> I do not use unslung though
Jan 29 20:18:26 <DrJ> so not fully sure
Jan 29 20:19:09 <dralbin> ok thanks, did not work, but i may have changed it :)
Jan 29 20:19:31 <DrJ> it should be the same one you used to login to it through telnet/ssh or whatnot
Jan 29 20:20:02 <dralbin> strange
Jan 29 20:20:05 <Reedy> admin admin ?
Jan 29 20:20:12 <dralbin> i am connected via ssh
Jan 29 20:20:29 <dralbin> admin admin worked, thanks!
Jan 29 20:22:15 <dralbin> and then i have to restard i guess?
Jan 29 20:22:21 <dralbin> -d +t
Jan 29 20:22:34 <dralbin> after setting static ip i mean
Jan 29 20:24:57 <dralbin> one thing i noticed
Jan 29 20:25:01 <dralbin> when i run route
Jan 29 20:25:04 <dralbin> i get the following
Jan 29 20:25:10 <dralbin> Kernel IP routing table
Jan 29 20:25:11 <dralbin> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
Jan 29 20:25:13 <dralbin> 192.168.1.0     *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 ixp0
Jan 29 20:25:15 <dralbin> 127.0.0.0       *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 lo
Jan 29 20:25:16 <dralbin> 239.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 ixp0
Jan 29 20:25:18 <dralbin> 127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
Jan 29 20:25:19 <dralbin> default         192.168.1.1     0.0.0.0         UG    1      0        0 ixp0
Jan 29 20:25:26 <dralbin> should i have all these?
Jan 29 20:26:35 <DrJ> looks okay
Jan 29 20:26:58 <dralbin> whats the 239-thing good for?
Jan 29 20:27:14 <DrJ> some multicast thing
Jan 29 20:27:20 <dralbin> ok
Jan 29 20:27:40 <dralbin> i've rebooted now with static ip and gateway and dns
Jan 29 20:28:09 <dralbin> and get it to wget the wget http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/databases/relational/postgresql/pgadmin3/release/v1.8.4/slackware/pgadmin3-1.8.4.tgz
Jan 29 20:28:18 <DrJ> technical: its the administratively scoped IPv4 multicast space
Jan 29 20:28:44 <dralbin> ok
Jan 29 20:29:06 <dralbin> but i can wget http://www.facebook.com
Jan 29 20:29:12 <dralbin> for example
Jan 29 20:30:30 <dralbin> any idea how that can be?
Jan 29 20:30:46 <DrJ> try: wget http://194.71.11.69/pub/databases/relational/postgresql/pgadmin3/release/v1.8.4/slackware/pgadmin3-1.8.4.tgz
Jan 29 20:31:24 <dralbin> seems like the same response
Jan 29 20:31:29 <DrJ> ?
Jan 29 20:31:40 <DrJ> do a tracert 194.71.11.69
Jan 29 20:31:44 <DrJ> see where it is dying at
Jan 29 20:31:46 <dralbin> no sorry, it works
Jan 29 20:31:50 <DrJ> ah
Jan 29 20:31:54 <DrJ> then nvm that last suggestion
Jan 29 20:32:56 <DrJ> for some reason your nslu2 is not resolving that address ftp.sunet.se
Jan 29 20:33:53 <dralbin> i'm really sorry guys, it works with ftp.sunet.se also
Jan 29 20:34:03 <dralbin> i havent waited long enough
Jan 29 20:34:24 <DrJ> heh
Jan 29 20:34:33 <dralbin> got fooled by the progress bar when i do the same on kubuntu
Jan 29 20:34:36 <dralbin> no such on my slug
Jan 29 20:34:46 <dralbin> and therefore i thought it was stuck
Jan 29 20:34:59 <DrJ> yea, the wget on the unslung is probably trimmed down
Jan 29 20:35:05 <DrJ> along with every other command basically
Jan 29 20:35:26 <dralbin> ok
Jan 29 20:35:29 <DrJ> don't expect commands on unslung to work exactly like their normal linux conterpart
Jan 29 20:35:46 <dralbin> todays lesson, thanks
Jan 29 20:35:48 <DrJ> most of them are missing features and trimmed down to allow them to run better on such low memory
Jan 29 20:36:10 <dralbin> but i would like to run something that can give me a hint of the download speed
Jan 29 20:36:28 <DrJ> maybe consider SlugOS
Jan 29 20:36:32 <DrJ> you appear to know linux
Jan 29 20:36:39 <DrJ> so unslung is probably too basic for you
Jan 29 20:37:00 <dralbin> ah ok, what differs them?
Jan 29 20:37:15 <DrJ> well, for one
Jan 29 20:37:17 <DrJ> it runs better
Jan 29 20:37:36 <DrJ> here, let me find the comparision table
Jan 29 20:37:50 <DrJ> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix
Jan 29 20:38:12 <DrJ> SlugOS/BE is the one I use
Jan 29 20:38:35 <DrJ> notice the "targetted users" section
Jan 29 20:38:59 <DrJ> but ignore this: Experienced Linux-users which are happy with the limited amount of installable packages
Jan 29 20:39:22 <DrJ> you can actually install more crap with slugos than you can unslung
Jan 29 20:39:36 <dralbin> ok, maybe i should switch then
Jan 29 20:39:53 <DrJ> yea
Jan 29 20:40:09 <DrJ> slugos can do a lot more than unslung
Jan 29 20:40:15 <DrJ> the commands have more of their features
Jan 29 20:40:17 <dralbin> is the most functionality working out-of-the-box?
Jan 29 20:40:25 <DrJ> you can install more packages (openembedded and optware)
Jan 29 20:40:32 <dralbin> i mean like usb.detecttion and samba
Jan 29 20:40:39 <DrJ> samab no
Jan 29 20:40:42 <DrJ> usb yes
Jan 29 20:40:46 <DrJ> *samba
Jan 29 20:40:55 <DrJ> the only package that comes preinstalled is dropbear (ssh)
Jan 29 20:41:00 <DrJ> however
Jan 29 20:41:06 <DrJ> its easy to get samba up
Jan 29 20:41:15 <dralbin> ok
Jan 29 20:41:21 <DrJ> in fact, its really easy to just install samba 3
Jan 29 20:41:25 <DrJ> and then you can use SWAT
Jan 29 20:41:32 <DrJ> its harder to get unslung updgraded to samba3
Jan 29 20:41:50 <dralbin> i think it did upgrade to samba3 before
Jan 29 20:41:55 <dralbin> when i ran ipkg upgrade
Jan 29 20:42:18 <DrJ> maybe, idk
Jan 29 20:42:34 <DrJ> and wget in slugos will show you the progress bar
Jan 29 20:42:44 <DrJ> will work just like Debian or whatever distro you mentioned earlier
Jan 29 20:42:51 <dralbin> good
Jan 29 20:43:40 <dralbin> i'll probably switch... did'nt relly liked the flashing part when unslunging. felt a bit risky that i would fuck things up :)
Jan 29 20:43:47 <dralbin> but i'll probably try it
Jan 29 20:43:56 <DrJ> you can't mess it up
Jan 29 20:44:05 <DrJ> as long as you don't use that eraseall app
Jan 29 20:44:23 <dralbin> ok
Jan 29 20:44:43 <dralbin> thank you very much for your help
Jan 29 20:44:50 <DrJ> if you do mess it up though, you go to walmart and buy one for $80
Jan 29 20:45:06 <dralbin> hehe
Jan 29 20:45:10 <DrJ> bring it home, switch the two out, and return it to walmart for a refund (claiming it doesn't work)
Jan 29 20:45:17 <DrJ> of course, returning the broken one
Jan 29 20:45:22 <DrJ> but like I said
Jan 29 20:45:23 <dralbin> or i'll come back here and find you :) it's a threat
Jan 29 20:45:25 <DrJ> you can't really mess it up
Jan 29 20:45:32 <DrJ> unless you use eraseall or mess with redboot
Jan 29 20:45:50 <dralbin> sounds good
Jan 29 20:47:31 <DrJ> I think you'll be much happier with SlugOS though
Jan 29 20:47:40 <DrJ> since you know your way around linux
Jan 29 20:48:20 <dralbin> you are probably right. then i have a project for the weekend
Jan 29 20:49:03 <dralbin> and you said BE
Jan 29 20:49:19 <dralbin> what are the difference with LE?
Jan 29 20:51:09 <DrJ> afaik not much really
Jan 29 20:52:11 <DrJ> # ag means: SlugOS Little Endian, Arm CPU instruction set, glibc based (formerly known as DebianSlug)
Jan 29 20:52:11 <DrJ> # bag means: SlugOS Big Endian, Arm CPU instruction set, glibc based (aka OpenSlug)
Jan 29 20:52:11 <DrJ> # btu means: SlugOS Big Endian, Thumb CPU instruction set, uclibc based (aka UcSlugC) 
Jan 29 20:53:41 <DrJ> I use SlugOS/BE
Jan 29 20:53:48 <DrJ> so, that's the one I recommend
Jan 29 20:54:02 <DrJ> choice is yours though
Jan 29 20:54:02 <dralbin> perfect thanks
Jan 29 20:54:08 <DrJ> again, refer to that FirmwareMatrix page
Jan 29 20:54:14 <DrJ> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/FAQ/FirmwareMatrix
Jan 29 20:54:20 <DrJ> that should help you make your decision
Jan 29 20:59:29 <dralbin> hmm
Jan 29 20:59:41 <dralbin> as i dont get any progress bar 
Jan 29 20:59:44 <dralbin> i unsung
Jan 29 20:59:53 <dralbin> i clocked the download of pgadmin
Jan 29 21:00:06 <dralbin> on kubuntu on my laptop i took 7 sek
Jan 29 21:00:07 <dralbin> sec
Jan 29 21:00:19 <dralbin> on my slug i tok 15 sec
Jan 29 21:00:23 <dralbin> it took
Jan 29 21:02:07 <dralbin> i wonder why that is
Jan 29 21:02:42 <dralbin> but maybe if i switch to slugos it will fix it
Jan 29 21:02:51 <DrJ> probably
Jan 29 21:03:07 <DrJ> I downloaded it at 200KBps
Jan 29 21:03:15 <DrJ> which is what it download for me on windows xp also
Jan 29 21:03:21 <DrJ> appears the ftp server limits to that
Jan 29 21:04:20 <dralbin> on kubuntu i download that file about 970kb/s 
Jan 29 21:06:44 <dralbin> maybe its limited to 200 for ips from outside sweden
Jan 29 21:12:18 <dralbin> do you use the latest stable or build yourself from trunk?
Jan 29 21:27:56 <DrJ> latest stable
Jan 29 21:27:58 <DrJ> 4.8beta
Jan 29 21:28:47 <DrJ> 5.x though is coming out real soon
Jan 29 21:28:50 <DrJ> so, actually
Jan 29 21:28:59 <DrJ> you may want to wait for that
Jan 29 21:29:25 <DrJ> not sure how long though
Jan 29 21:29:51 <dralbin> its over a year ago 4.8 was realeased
Jan 29 21:29:56 <DrJ> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/SlugOS/SlugOS5
Jan 29 21:29:58 <DrJ> yea
Jan 29 21:30:01 <DrJ> like I said
Jan 29 21:30:05 <DrJ> SlugOS5 is on the horizon
Jan 29 21:30:29 <DrJ> mwester could give us a good idea of when probably if he was around
Jan 29 21:30:49 <dralbin> is busybox the shell?
Jan 29 21:31:32 <DrJ> no
Jan 29 21:31:41 <DrJ> its a program that contains a lot of the linux commands
Jan 29 21:31:47 <dralbin> realized i can read here instead of askin gyou :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox
Jan 29 21:34:58 <DrJ> yea
Jan 29 21:35:06 <DrJ> wiki tends to be a good source of information
Jan 29 21:35:15 <DrJ> I was suprised to see on a local newcast
Jan 29 21:35:20 <DrJ> they gave a statistic about something
Jan 29 21:35:29 <DrJ> and they listed their source as "wikipedia"
Jan 29 21:35:55 <DrJ> typically everyone says never to cite wikipedia
Jan 29 21:36:37 <dralbin> hehe
Jan 29 21:36:51 <dralbin> a bit surprising
Jan 29 21:36:52 <DrJ> like in school, we are never allowed to use wiki
Jan 29 21:36:56 <DrJ> but I always do
Jan 29 21:36:59 <DrJ> I got there find the information
Jan 29 21:37:08 <DrJ> they cite my source as whatever wiki says is their source
Jan 29 21:37:13 <DrJ> *go there
Jan 29 21:37:17 <DrJ> *then cite
Jan 29 21:37:38 <dralbin> smart
Jan 29 21:37:51 <eno> dralbin: what's the output of "which wget"?
Jan 29 21:37:52 <dralbin> clever
Jan 29 21:38:30 <dralbin> eno, what do you mean=
Jan 29 21:38:46 <DrJ> he wants you to do that command: which wget
Jan 29 21:38:59 <DrJ> to see what wget runs when you do wget
Jan 29 21:39:28 <dralbin> -bash-3.2# which wget
Jan 29 21:39:30 <dralbin> /usr/bin/wget
Jan 29 21:40:04 <eno> /usr/bin/wget --version
Jan 29 21:40:48 <dralbin> "unrecognized option --version"
Jan 29 21:41:21 <eno> ok, the wget you're using probably is not a full-version one
Jan 29 21:41:49 <eno> is there a /opt/bin/wget on your unslung?
Jan 29 21:42:07 <eno> if not, you can try "ipkg update; ipkg install wget"
Jan 29 21:42:08 <dralbin> nope
Jan 29 21:42:42 <eno> and test the download with /opt/bin/wget
Jan 29 21:42:42 <dralbin> maybe this i something
Jan 29 21:42:52 <dralbin> -bash-3.2# ipkg list | grep wget
Jan 29 21:42:54 <dralbin> wget - 1.11.4-1 - A network utility to retrieve files from the Web
Jan 29 21:42:55 <eno> at least you'll see the progress bar
Jan 29 21:42:57 <dralbin> sorry, what you said
Jan 29 21:43:19 <dralbin> ill try
Jan 29 21:44:05 <dralbin> thanks a lot
Jan 29 21:44:19 <dralbin> progress bar and speed :)
Jan 29 21:44:50 <eno> how's the speed?
Jan 29 21:45:03 <dralbin> 319 k/s
Jan 29 21:45:11 <eno> alright
Jan 29 21:45:14 <dralbin> in kubuntu about 1 mb/s
Jan 29 21:45:23 <dralbin> on same lan
Jan 29 21:45:33 <dralbin> but its perfectly ok
Jan 29 21:45:40 <dralbin> but a bit strange right?
Jan 29 21:45:57 <eno> what was the speed when you used /usr/bin/wget ?
Jan 29 21:46:17 <dralbin> cant tell
Jan 29 21:46:29 <dralbin> it took about 15-16 secs
Jan 29 21:46:35 <dralbin> now its 19s
Jan 29 21:46:57 <dralbin> i clocked it before
Jan 29 21:47:05 <dralbin> or timed or what you say
Jan 29 21:47:53 <eno> there're also a couple of other tools you can use
Jan 29 21:48:19 <eno> curl, aria2, lftp, ncftp
Jan 29 21:48:45 <dralbin> but my suspission is that my slug has slow internet performance of some reason
Jan 29 21:49:00 <dralbin> but maybe i'm wrong
Jan 29 21:49:01 <eno> try to determine if the problem is the client app, slug connection, or something
Jan 29 21:49:36 <dralbin> i try curl then
Jan 29 21:49:50 <eno> what's the speed if you ftp a big file from your kubuntu
Jan 29 21:49:51 <eno> ?
Jan 29 21:50:19 <dralbin> hmm then i need an ftp server program...
Jan 29 21:51:16 <eno> but that helps in understand where's the bottleneck
Jan 29 21:51:37 <dralbin> should i try curl first
Jan 29 21:51:42 <dralbin> or install ftp server
Jan 29 21:52:06 <eno> i'd try both
Jan 29 21:53:03 <dralbin> ok trying curl now
Jan 29 21:53:12 <eno> you can also use a tool called iperf
Jan 29 21:53:19 <dralbin> it says abut 400 kb/s
Jan 29 21:54:16 <dralbin> something i install on both machines?
Jan 29 21:54:22 <dralbin> one act server and one client?
Jan 29 21:54:25 <eno> yeah
Jan 29 21:55:41 <dralbin> ok, installing...
Jan 29 21:57:57 <dralbin> hmm
Jan 29 21:58:24 <dralbin> started kubuntu as server
Jan 29 21:58:33 <dralbin> and trying to connect from the slug
Jan 29 21:58:57 <dralbin> but it sais illegal instruction
Jan 29 22:00:33 <dralbin> strange. its the same version numbers and all
Jan 29 22:02:12 <eno> can you launch it at all? say "iperf --version"
Jan 29 22:02:53 <dralbin> yea and it sais the same version number on slug as on kubuntu
Jan 29 22:03:00 <dralbin> and when i start as server
Jan 29 22:03:17 <dralbin> and the try to connect as client it sais on the server that a client connected
Jan 29 22:03:24 <dralbin> and then illegal instruction
Jan 29 22:03:41 <dralbin> ------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 29 22:03:43 <dralbin> Client connecting to 192.168.1.4, TCP port 5001
Jan 29 22:03:44 <dralbin> TCP window size: 16.0 KByte (default)
Jan 29 22:03:46 <dralbin> ------------------------------------------------------------
Jan 29 22:03:47 <dralbin> [  5] local 192.168.1.2 port 1047 connected with 192.168.1.4 port 5001
Jan 29 22:03:49 <dralbin> Illegal instruction
Jan 29 22:03:51 <eno> ok, i got the same thing
Jan 29 22:04:32 <eno> maybe the cross compilation has something wrong here
Jan 29 22:05:29 <dralbin> almost seems so
Jan 29 22:06:10 <dralbin> same message with udp test
Jan 29 22:06:43 <dralbin> any tip for a small ftp server?
Jan 29 22:10:41 <eno> there're ftpd, proftpd, pur-ftpd, vsftpd, wu-ftpd
Jan 29 22:10:58 <eno> i actually don't use ftpd that much, so i dunno
Jan 29 22:15:21 <dralbin> ok i think i have to continue this tomorrow. its a good idea to try ftp or http between these to computers
Jan 29 22:15:29 <dralbin> but i'm to tired now :)
Jan 29 22:15:36 <eno> good luck
Jan 29 22:15:39 <dralbin> thanks a lot for your help
Jan 29 22:16:04 <dralbin> and to you to DrJ 
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