**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 31 02:59:57 2009 Dec 31 08:55:29 so, i have just completed a 10 hour marathon install of debian on my slug. The installation went according to documentation, and at the end my ssh session was terminated as documented. But now I cannot login as the user I created. If I login with the installer user again, I can chose "start shell" (instead of start install for instance) but then the ssh session is terminated. Dec 31 08:56:29 I haven't manually restarted the slug after installation, but the documentation doesn't say I should do that to be able to login. It just says to wait a few minutes after the installation completes, then I should be able to login with the user I created. Dec 31 08:57:08 Another strange thing is that all leds on the slug are still lit, but I only have one usb stick connected to it. Dec 31 09:34:06 if you can still log in with the installer id, i would say that the installation failed in some way. Dec 31 09:35:39 i just pressed the power button.. and after like 5 minutes i could login with the created account! Dec 31 09:35:48 heh Dec 31 09:36:05 Amazing... but damn it seems so slow. Does it really take so long time to start it up? Dec 31 09:36:11 it obviously failed to restart properly after doing the install for some reason. Dec 31 09:36:15 yeah Dec 31 09:36:31 mine take a few moments to boot. Dec 31 09:36:41 prob. no more than any other machine would imo. Dec 31 09:36:56 but now the led which is related to the port with my usb stick is NOT lit. Before it was too many leds lit, now it's one too few! :D Dec 31 09:37:01 i do worry about what will happen when they decide to fsck the 500GB drives i am using. Dec 31 09:37:15 strange Dec 31 09:37:46 wow so your's is fast to boot huh.. yes it's sooo strange because my install also took like 10 hours! Dec 31 09:38:03 i wouldnt say its "fast" Dec 31 09:38:06 is there a way to check the processor speed via ssh? Dec 31 09:38:07 hmmm Dec 31 09:38:15 not exactly Dec 31 09:38:17 you can check bogomips Dec 31 09:38:26 well you said it takes moments to boot.. for me it was like 5 minutes Dec 31 09:38:35 with cat /proc/cpuinfo Dec 31 09:39:33 BogoMIPS : 266.24 Dec 31 09:39:41 yeah i would say mine boot a bit quicker than 5 minutes. Dec 31 09:39:58 yep thats a newer slug which has been de-underclocked. Dec 31 09:40:24 wasn't the underclocked speed 133 MHz? Dec 31 09:40:29 BogoMIPS : 132.71 Dec 31 09:40:33 thats my old slug Dec 31 09:40:38 oh Dec 31 09:40:38 underclocked. Dec 31 09:40:44 and still yours seems faster Dec 31 09:41:01 well, i have 2 newer ones like yours too. Dec 31 09:41:08 they all seem pretty snappy. Dec 31 09:41:19 im running irssi on one of them for this irc client! Dec 31 09:41:36 like if i run an unknown command, it takes like 3 secs for it to tell me it's an unknown command! Dec 31 09:41:59 i do notice a bit of lag sometimes Dec 31 09:42:08 most notably when you ssh straight in Dec 31 09:42:14 what if you try an unknown command? Dec 31 09:42:24 it seems to take quite a while to display the debian banner and display a prompt. Dec 31 09:42:56 Linux LKG3519D4 2.6.28-17-ixp4xx #58-Ubuntu Tue Dec 1 19:19:45 UTC 2009 armv5tel Dec 31 09:43:02 just tried it and it was pretty much instant. Dec 31 09:43:07 aaah Dec 31 09:43:10 i think i installed an ubuntu version Dec 31 09:43:15 you are using ubuntu! Dec 31 09:43:24 :/ Dec 31 09:43:35 yeah i am not surprised its a bit glitchy then, as when i tried it i couldnt even get it to install properly! Dec 31 09:43:42 you have done a lot better than me! ;) Dec 31 09:43:49 well it's not a full blown install of ubuntu, no way Dec 31 09:43:56 it's actually one for the slug Dec 31 09:44:09 its as full blown as any other ubuntu install. Dec 31 09:44:18 its just compiled for arm. Dec 31 09:44:35 i found it on some ubuntu wiki page, and the install procedure was pretty much like the one for debian modified. Dec 31 09:44:45 really? but it said "minimal ubuntu" Dec 31 09:44:55 and it's 8 mb. Dec 31 09:46:36 well well... : Dec 31 09:46:40 slug@LKG3519D4:~$ cat /etc/*-release Dec 31 09:46:41 DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu Dec 31 09:46:43 DISTRIB_RELEASE=9.04 Dec 31 09:46:44 DISTRIB_CODENAME=jaunty Dec 31 09:46:46 DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 9.04" Dec 31 09:47:37 sigh.. so i guess i should reinstall it with the debian distro then... so it feels snappy. can't stand this slowness Dec 31 09:48:40 the wiki page talked about this "minimal" ubuntu was for arm5 something, while the debian distro was for arm4? Dec 31 09:48:45 do you know anything about that? Dec 31 09:51:25 HRH_H_Crab: so what do you see when you run cat /etc/*-release? Dec 31 09:52:07 ah here's the ubuntu wiki page: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ARM/NSLU2 Dec 31 09:55:37 debian doesnt seem to have that file. Dec 31 09:55:48 but of my 3 slugs, two are running debian stable, Dec 31 09:56:04 one is running unstable (or maybe testing?!) Dec 31 09:56:26 crab@shatin:~$ uname -a Dec 31 09:56:26 Linux shatin 2.6.32-trunk-ixp4xx #1 Wed Dec 9 07:42:47 UTC 2009 armv5tel GNU/Linux Dec 31 09:56:32 thats the unstable one Dec 31 09:57:08 crab@kowloontong:~$ uname -a Dec 31 09:57:09 Linux kowloontong 2.6.26-2-ixp4xx #1 Thu Nov 5 05:37:51 UTC 2009 armv5tel GNU/Linux Dec 31 09:57:19 thats one of the stable ones. Dec 31 09:57:24 i see Dec 31 09:57:40 well i guess those installs must be smaller anyway huh, since mine is so slow Dec 31 09:58:47 the file from the ubuntu page is also called di-nslu2.bin however. it has the same name as the debian bin Dec 31 09:59:55 yeah Dec 31 10:00:11 i guess the ubuntu installer is hacked from the debian installer. Dec 31 10:00:55 all i can say is that i had no luck with ubuntu, but debian has been very solid for me. Dec 31 10:01:52 hehe, i actually thoght i was installing debian, because i unpacked the debian zipfile, and i thought it overwrote the ubuntu bin file. but i just saw that nope, it didn't overwrite, it just landed as "di-nslu2 (2)" in the filesystem. so i used the ubuntu install. Dec 31 10:01:55 also, the slug installs for debian, seem very "official" and supported by the distro Dec 31 10:02:08 whereas for ubuntu its more experimental and unofficial. Dec 31 10:02:16 yeah, i read that debian supports the slug now Dec 31 10:02:32 yep.. and that explains the super long install time i guess. Dec 31 10:02:50 maybe thats what went wrong with my attempt - i got too impatient and gave up. Dec 31 10:02:52 debian install should take about 4 hours i read. mine took like 10 or more Dec 31 10:03:01 yeah Dec 31 10:03:02 yeah i almost did that too Dec 31 10:03:05 thats more like it. Dec 31 10:03:11 many times i though it was just frozen Dec 31 10:03:29 well i guess it's time for a reinstall... live and learn :( Dec 31 10:03:37 slugs can be a bit "strange" many times ive thought that they were broken but they were fine. Dec 31 10:03:51 what problems have you had? Dec 31 10:03:55 its so easy when you deal with an arch that you aren't used to to blame the arch for strange behaviour Dec 31 10:04:01 and normally thats the wrong thing to do. Dec 31 10:04:02 well, Dec 31 10:04:05 the funniest, Dec 31 10:04:15 was with my oldest slug. Dec 31 10:04:32 i had used it with debian for quite a while, and i started using a usb wifi adaptor Dec 31 10:04:47 i bridged it to the nic and used it wirelessly. Dec 31 10:05:12 i think it consumed a lot of power, and burned out the original psu (which seem to be of a very low quality from what i have read) Dec 31 10:05:18 all the lights came on, Dec 31 10:05:25 and looked bright but the thing wouldnt boot. Dec 31 10:05:40 i was almost going to throw it away, as i was sure it was broken. Dec 31 10:05:51 heh Dec 31 10:05:57 then eventually after googling a bit, i found some stuff about the crap linksys psus, bought a new one, Dec 31 10:06:08 and found out it was working fine! Dec 31 10:06:26 but the built in psu was in fact broken then? Dec 31 10:06:32 no Dec 31 10:06:38 just the wall-wart Dec 31 10:06:43 what is that? Dec 31 10:06:45 the actual slug itself was perfect. Dec 31 10:06:51 just the plug with the lead attached. Dec 31 10:06:56 oh Dec 31 10:07:04 haha Dec 31 10:07:08 the slug seems to be well made. Dec 31 10:07:13 lucky you could figure that out! Dec 31 10:07:15 the power supply seems to be cheap and nasty. Dec 31 10:07:33 well, Dec 31 10:07:37 i'll remember that Dec 31 10:07:47 its all on the nslu2 linux website if you google hard enough! ;) Dec 31 10:08:00 that website is a bit of a mess, isn't it? Dec 31 10:08:13 i think it is pretty ace. Dec 31 10:08:54 well, some places seems like they are out of date, and then somebody just places a note saying "this is out of date" Dec 31 10:08:59 rwhitby (who you might see in here or in nslu2-linux) even emotionally blackmailed me into contributing some stuff to that site Dec 31 10:09:08 my first contribution to free software! :) Dec 31 10:09:10 so i'm not sure what to believe. Dec 31 10:09:33 what did you contribute? Dec 31 10:09:47 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/PowerSupply Dec 31 10:09:52 thats the stuff about the psu. Dec 31 10:09:55 aha :) Dec 31 10:10:02 well, Dec 31 10:10:03 that is good Dec 31 10:10:08 before i used debian i tried angstrom Dec 31 10:10:08 will help others for sure Dec 31 10:10:14 and couldnt get it working. Dec 31 10:10:19 hehe Dec 31 10:10:27 eventually with some help from rwhitby i figured it out, Dec 31 10:10:33 so he asked me to write some documentation. Dec 31 10:10:52 yeah that's the payback :) Dec 31 10:11:11 i think the terms were very reasonable really. Dec 31 10:11:14 :) Dec 31 10:11:27 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Angstrom/HomePage Dec 31 10:11:40 that is my massive contribution to GNU/Linux. Dec 31 10:11:41 :P Dec 31 10:12:36 nice :) Dec 31 10:13:17 but tbh, though the angstrom team have been doing some great work on various platforms, Dec 31 10:13:24 i much prefer debian on my slugs now. Dec 31 10:14:26 i'm not strong on linux, so apt-get is somehting i need to work Dec 31 10:15:00 what do you do for living, sir? :) Dec 31 10:15:11 sysadmin Dec 31 10:15:17 i work mainly with AIX. Dec 31 10:15:28 ok, i'm a developer, java dev Dec 31 10:15:34 heh Dec 31 10:15:36 what's AIX? Dec 31 10:15:41 we have a lot of java on our AIX machines Dec 31 10:15:51 its IBMs own flavour of unix. Dec 31 10:15:56 i see Dec 31 10:16:42 mainly runs on IBM pseries hardware Dec 31 10:17:01 which is a bit like ppc Dec 31 10:17:23 (i.e. old macs before they went to intel) Dec 31 10:19:25 wow, this install with debian is SO much faster Dec 31 10:19:38 aaah Dec 31 10:19:44 you have given up with ubuntu already? Dec 31 10:19:45 :P Dec 31 10:20:22 so when i'm at "Installer components to load:", these are just components used in the actual install, correct? Dec 31 10:20:34 yeah Dec 31 10:20:39 but you shouldnt need to select anything there. Dec 31 10:20:41 ok Dec 31 10:20:48 if its a recent image it should all "just work" Dec 31 10:21:00 you might read some stuff about people having problems formatting disks, Dec 31 10:21:22 but when i did my most recent installs i used 500GB disks, and the debian installer had no issues with them. Dec 31 10:21:30 cool Dec 31 10:22:03 wow you have no idea how slow the ubuntu install was... now i can actually SEE the progress! :D Dec 31 10:22:19 there's just no comparison! Dec 31 10:22:27 what do you plan to use your slug for? Dec 31 10:23:46 well, the reason i got into this slug thing was actually for a fun little project at work, which is just a few red lightbulbs that should be lit when our teamcity server reports a failed build. Dec 31 10:25:42 so, we have a little program running that checks for fail builds. and in that computer, we have a "tellstick" (www.telldus.se) that sends a radiocommand to WAVEMANs, which makes them turn the power on basically. the lightbulbs are connected to these waveman outlets Dec 31 10:27:15 i'm not sure if i explained it correctly :P Dec 31 10:27:36 so anyway... i want to run the "server" program on a slug Dec 31 10:27:45 instead of one of our developer machines Dec 31 10:28:16 and instead of a big clunky machine or laptop.. the slug is perfect for the job, since it's so small, quiet, and energy efficient :) Dec 31 10:28:39 but now i'm thinking of using one at home as a server, ftp web and stuff like that Dec 31 10:33:31 all sounds totally within its capabilities. Dec 31 10:35:40 it's a very small java 2 standard edition program Dec 31 10:36:18 have you installed java on a slug? Dec 31 10:39:59 nope Dec 31 10:40:12 i have perl installed though Dec 31 10:40:28 and one of them at least has a full toolchain for C / C++ Dec 31 10:40:39 the module for my webcam must be compiled Dec 31 10:40:53 i think java should be fine. Dec 31 10:42:58 default-jdk-builddep - Standard Java or Java compatible build dependencies Dec 31 10:43:02 default-jdk-doc - Standard Java or Java compatible Development Kit (documentation) Dec 31 10:43:04 default-jdk - Standard Java or Java compatible Development Kit Dec 31 10:43:07 default-jre-headless - Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime (headless) Dec 31 10:43:10 default-jre - Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime Dec 31 10:43:14 java-common - Base of all Java packages Dec 31 10:47:12 this slug is cool... such a small server :) Dec 31 10:47:50 aye Dec 31 10:47:55 i have one running as my mailserver Dec 31 10:48:03 another one running as a public facing webserver Dec 31 10:48:55 i just wish they had a bit more ram Dec 31 10:48:58 and one more nic! Dec 31 10:49:37 you can build on more ram, can't you? think i saw something about it on the wiki? Dec 31 10:50:02 possibly Dec 31 10:50:09 but im not too handy with a soldering iron. Dec 31 10:58:39 yeah i'd be hesitant to try it, in fear of breaking the slug Dec 31 11:49:20 #debian-arm Dec 31 11:49:22 #debian-arm