**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 09 23:59:56 2005
Feb 10 00:09:40 <smok_> 1
Feb 10 04:10:32 <rwhitby> sweet - got the treo 650 to connect to the internet via bluetooth and the laptop.  That should save on GPRS charges while I'm in range of the laptop ...
Feb 10 04:12:44 <rwhitby-treo650> and upIRC works through that connection :-)
Feb 10 04:15:44 <rwhitby> I wonder if I can do builds from the treo ...
Feb 10 04:18:45 <rwhitby> yep :-)
Feb 10 04:21:20 <jacques> are you using nohup ?
Feb 10 04:21:39 <rwhitby> no, why?
Feb 10 04:22:01 <jacques> in case you get disconnected
Feb 10 04:22:10 <rwhitby> (53 col x 27 line pssh terminal on treo via bluetooth)
Feb 10 04:22:28 <jacques> that does sound sweet
Feb 10 04:22:28 <rwhitby> why would I get disconnected?  is bluetooth flakey?
Feb 10 04:22:45 <rwhitby> and no GPRS charges - uses the cable connection
Feb 10 04:23:23 <giel> rwhitby: maybe when you run out of batteries
Feb 10 04:23:39 <rwhitby> true :-)
Feb 10 05:06:48 <NSLU2-IRC> glc: Need some help on the RAID diversion scripts...
Feb 10 05:33:19 <CIA-7> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/parted/control: Control file for parted - when shared libuuid appears, it needs to set dependency
Feb 10 05:34:39 <CIA-7> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/parted.mk: GNU Parted. Requires pending e2fsprogs fix to compile. Early testing
Feb 10 05:38:25 <siddy>   nload
Feb 10 05:39:22 <siddy> err... yes...
Feb 10 05:39:33 * siddy seems to need some coffee
Feb 10 05:40:31 <ByronT> while you're at it, you mind getting me some? just finishing up 2nd all nighter this week
Feb 10 05:41:17 <siddy> damn... you definetly work too much! ;)
Feb 10 05:41:40 * siddy hands over a pot of coffee
Feb 10 05:41:41 <ByronT> I hate this time of year (leading up to tax d-day)
Feb 10 05:43:07 <ByronT> I think I will go grab a cup...
Feb 10 05:51:41 <Bart_unlimited> glc: Need some help on the RAID diversion scripts...
Feb 10 05:53:15 <ByronT> I only know of glc's scripts...
Feb 10 05:53:35 <ByronT> emphasis on "of"
Feb 10 05:55:18 <Bart_unlimited> It would be great if he could post them
Feb 10 05:56:16 <ByronT> I can hear the slugs dying
Feb 10 06:24:13 <rwhitby> http://www.gideontech.com/content/articles/264/3
Feb 10 06:24:28 <rwhitby> Nice mention of Unslung firmware ...
Feb 10 06:25:22 <rwhitby> they even quote rules #3 and #4
Feb 10 06:25:25 <rwhitby> ~nslu2-rules
Feb 10 06:25:26 <jbot> i heard nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access.
Feb 10 06:26:05 <ByronT> and mispell Jim's last name
Feb 10 06:26:37 <rwhitby> heh
Feb 10 06:27:23 <ByronT> that article was linked from HardOCP.com - I'm sure it got quite a bit of traffic
Feb 10 07:40:42 <giel> [g2]: have you heard about kexec?
Feb 10 07:57:30 <[g2]> giel, no what's up with kexec ?
Feb 10 08:00:18 <giel> [g2]: i mean, have you heard of it?
Feb 10 08:04:06 <[g2]> giel, I have not heard of it from what I recall
Feb 10 08:04:59 <giel> it might be interesting, it's a kernel patch + util which allows you to boot a different kernel without actually rebooting, meaning you could boot another kernel from hdd from within switchbox
Feb 10 08:05:29 <giel> it might be overkill, but nonetheless i guess i'm going to experiment with it somewhere in the not to distant future
Feb 10 08:07:40 <[g2]> giel, kergoth was talking about something like that a couple months ago
Feb 10 08:07:59 <[g2]> kexec is an appropriate name :)
Feb 10 08:08:40 <giel> :)
Feb 10 08:09:15 <giel> well, i first want to succeed in pivot_rooting
Feb 10 08:13:56 <[g2]> that should be straight forward
Feb 10 08:15:08 <giel> yeah, it should
Feb 10 08:15:15 <giel> but something goes wrong and i don't know what
Feb 10 08:15:23 <giel> but more experimenting tonight
Feb 10 08:15:30 <giel> i really want a serial port now :)
Feb 10 08:16:21 <[g2]> giel, do you have a usb-serial port adapter ?
Feb 10 08:16:30 <giel> [g2]: i don't
Feb 10 08:16:43 <giel> are you suggesting something along the lines of another bootloader?
Feb 10 08:17:27 <[g2]> giel, no. It would be nice to load the usbserial drivers and open up a console from within switchbox on the usb serial port
Feb 10 08:17:37 <giel> hm yeah
Feb 10 08:18:28 <giel> well, tonight i'm first going to check if the hdd gets mounted correctly (i suspect it does, because of some disk activity) and try to output some debug info on the hdd
Feb 10 08:18:46 <giel> or maybe even to a memstick
Feb 10 08:18:58 <[g2]> You're running uClibc right ?
Feb 10 08:19:02 <giel> uhu
Feb 10 08:19:22 <giel> but i don't think that has anything to do with it
Feb 10 08:19:28 <giel> as switchbox isn't compiled on my system
Feb 10 08:19:30 <[g2]> SPanKY ran into an issue with uClibc
Feb 10 08:19:50 <[g2]> maybe it was just the loopforever config
Feb 10 08:20:06 <giel> yeah, i'm passed that :)
Feb 10 08:20:10 <giel> (thanks to you)
Feb 10 08:20:32 <[g2]> I think it was the guys on #oe that recommeded the suggestion
Feb 10 08:20:39 <giel> ah
Feb 10 08:20:47 <[g2]> I think kergoth fixed that in the repo
Feb 10 08:21:05 <giel> anyway, loading all modules, sleeping a few seconds and mounting the drive results in the expected disk activity
Feb 10 08:21:09 <[g2]> it is a nice little community thought :)
Feb 10 08:21:21 <giel> but then the boot process just stops
Feb 10 08:21:43 * [g2] assumes you've got all the stuff copied over on your drive
Feb 10 08:21:50 <giel> you assume correct
Feb 10 08:22:33 <giel> anyway, i'm at work now, going home soon after a quick stop at the mall
Feb 10 08:22:38 <[g2]> and you're attempting to do it from /linuxrc
Feb 10 08:22:43 <giel> if anything new comes up i'll let you know
Feb 10 08:22:46 <giel> yep
Feb 10 08:22:56 <[g2]> GL! have fun and I am interested
Feb 10 08:23:04 <giel> i mount the ramdisk on my workstation
Feb 10 08:23:07 <giel> edit the linuxrc
Feb 10 08:23:08 <giel> unmount
Feb 10 08:23:09 <giel> gzip
Feb 10 08:23:12 <[g2]> I'm debugging the usbnet IP receive issue
Feb 10 08:23:12 <giel> boot into redboot
Feb 10 08:23:20 <giel> load the kernel from flash to mem
Feb 10 08:23:24 <giel> load the ramdisk over tftp
Feb 10 08:23:26 <giel> and boot
Feb 10 08:23:33 <giel> and again and again :)
Feb 10 08:39:00 <bob_tm-away> I now have webmin running on unslung using miniserv - oh my God it is slow :-)
Feb 10 08:54:08 <garpinc> bob_tm.. That's cool... Did you try with appWeb?
Feb 10 08:54:26 <bob_tm> Working on that as we speak. Hope speed will improve
Feb 10 09:09:30 * Bart_unlimited slaps glc around a bit with a large trout
Feb 10 09:09:44 <Tiersten> Mmmm... Trout....
Feb 10 09:10:12 <Bart_unlimited> sorry, just testing with myself ;-)
Feb 10 09:10:41 <Tiersten> :)
Feb 10 09:11:13 <Bart_unlimited> Last time I used IRC was 1994... Just reinventing 
Feb 10 09:44:59 <garpinc> bob_tm... What's webmin written in C/Perl ???
Feb 10 09:45:16 <bob_tm> Perl
Feb 10 10:00:48 <VoodooZ_log> [g2]: I see you found the network bug! good.
Feb 10 10:02:28 <[g2]> VoodooZ_log, yes found, but not fixed yet
Feb 10 10:02:52 <[g2]> ip_route_input_slow: BEFORE Checking fib_lookup
Feb 10 10:03:05 <[g2]> Lookup: 77.1.168.192 <- 5.1.168.192 tb 255 r 1 tb 254 r 1 tb 253 r 1 FAILURE
Feb 10 10:03:16 <[g2]> endianess  The addr is 192.168.1.77
Feb 10 10:03:33 <[g2]> VoodooZ_log, you notice my post to the wrong window eh ? :)
Feb 10 10:03:40 <VoodooZ_log> So it's an endianness issue you say?
Feb 10 10:03:44 <VoodooZ_log> yep.
Feb 10 10:03:58 <[g2]> I'm thinking it's usbnet specific
Feb 10 10:05:18 <[g2]> I see the problem with both the ALI chipset and ASIX AX8817x chipset which both use the usbnet driver
Feb 10 10:05:55 <[g2]> IP packets are getting dropped on the receive with the lookup failure
Feb 10 10:06:28 <[g2]> these drivers work on the PC which is little endain
Feb 10 10:07:15 <[g2]> So I'm thinking it's usbent, big endain, IP related
Feb 10 10:07:31 <VoodooZ_log> good. Hopefully it's an easy one to fix.
Feb 10 10:08:30 <[g2]> I'm probably gonna e-mail the arm-linux ml
Feb 10 10:09:13 <VoodooZ_log> makes sense.
Feb 10 10:10:08 <[g2]> I was looking a different usb-ethernet solutions with different chipsets to see if there's a simple work-around in the meantime
Feb 10 10:11:00 <[g2]> I guess I could try the 2.4.x unslung -able kernel also
Feb 10 10:15:38 * VoodooZ_log nods
Feb 10 10:33:20 <giel> blegh!
Feb 10 10:33:23 <giel> stoopid!
Feb 10 10:34:26 <giel> my pivot_root keeps failing and i have no idea why
Feb 10 10:58:56 <CIA-7> 03shenson * 10unslung/ (9 files in 2 dirs): 
Feb 10 10:58:56 <CIA-7> Update ctorrent source to use 1.3.4 and add various patches to make
Feb 10 10:58:56 <CIA-7> it compile and behave (fairly) sensibly.
Feb 10 12:36:56 <[g2]> !nslu2-wiki
Feb 10 12:37:13 <[g2]> ~nslu2-wiki
Feb 10 12:37:15 <jbot> somebody said nslu2-wiki was the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/".
Feb 10 12:47:05 <[g2]> the treo man has arrived!
Feb 10 13:00:55 <dyoung> giel, have you looked at what switchbox-4.x is doing?
Feb 10 13:01:24 <dyoung> I've had pivot_root working in that version for at least a month.
Feb 10 13:05:59 <giel> dyoung: yes, i've tried 4
Feb 10 13:11:03 <giel> dyoung: the thing is, i can't see what's wrong, because i've got no serial port
Feb 10 13:11:49 <giel> dyoung: there's some drive activity as the hdd gets recognized, then there's some more activity when it gets mounted, but i don't even know if the mount succeeds
Feb 10 13:12:58 <[g2]> dyoung, giel is also running uClibc
Feb 10 13:13:20 <dyoung> I had an issue with uclibc devices.
Feb 10 13:13:44 <[g2]> which issue would that be ?
Feb 10 13:13:49 <dyoung> where it would try to pivot to a uclibc-created device file
Feb 10 13:13:58 <dyoung> but fail for unknown reasons.
Feb 10 13:14:25 <dyoung> I was pivoting to a glibc based rootfs, so I assumed it was that.
Feb 10 13:14:35 <[g2]> giel, dyoung you should talk to SPanKY in #uclibc if that's an issue
Feb 10 13:14:45 <[g2]> he's bringing up gentoo on the NSLU2
Feb 10 13:15:01 <[g2]> and he's quite active with uClibc
Feb 10 13:15:09 <dyoung> I dont know what is or is not an real vs perceived issue at this point,
Feb 10 13:22:08 <giel> hm, interesting
Feb 10 13:22:46 <giel> i'm running a uclibc based rootfs
Feb 10 13:23:03 <giel> but i'm using switchbox, which probably is glibc based
Feb 10 13:23:12 <dyoung> uclibc.
Feb 10 13:23:34 <giel> is switchbox uclibc based?
Feb 10 13:23:39 <dyoung> Yes.
Feb 10 13:23:44 <giel> hm
Feb 10 13:23:51 <giel> well, still weird
Feb 10 13:24:17 <dyoung> it would be a *lot* easier with serial.
Feb 10 13:24:22 <giel> uhu
Feb 10 13:24:31 <giel> a *whole* lot
Feb 10 13:24:58 <giel> maybe i should just buy a usb to serial cable and load the usbserial module for output
Feb 10 13:25:04 <giel> or maybe i should stop being lazy
Feb 10 13:29:58 * rwhitby-around is very happy with his Treo 650 purchase, and the ability to connect to the internet with Bluetooth via the laptop (thereby not incurring GPRS charges)
Feb 10 16:03:57 * kergoth does what he can to fix some of the issues in http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/OEPackagesForUnslung
Feb 10 17:34:41 <ByronT> wheee!!!!! DSL at home now!!!
Feb 10 17:35:43 <CompBrain> o0o
Feb 10 17:36:53 <ByronT> 2 years of cajoling, complaining, offering bribes, and non-stop harassing of BellSouth and they finally get DSL out to my neighborhood
Feb 10 17:37:07 <CompBrain> heh
Feb 10 17:37:15 * CompBrain is a comcast subscriber
Feb 10 17:37:57 <ByronT> well, the local cable company, I won't name names, but their's rhymes with martyr...
Feb 10 17:38:41 <ByronT> does not even have a local office... sales office is 45 miles to the northeast and support office is 75 miles to the northwest
Feb 10 17:39:03 <kergoth> wow are there a lot of oe packages that need to be fixed to obey the path vars
Feb 10 17:39:19 * kergoth gets his sed/awk/perl skills ready
Feb 10 17:41:17 <CompBrain> I got my mini-ap today
Feb 10 17:41:27 <CompBrain> So i can start my nslu2-wifi-camera-gps robot
Feb 10 17:41:28 <CompBrain> heh
Feb 10 17:41:48 <kergoth> anyone here intimately familiar with how unslung's startup script handling works?
Feb 10 17:44:19 <CompBrain> nope, sorry
Feb 10 17:47:18 * kergoth wants to fix oe packages on unslung
Feb 10 18:35:25 <christopher> what package has cc in it?
Feb 10 18:45:40 <christopher> nvm
Feb 10 20:10:31 <dyoung-web> [g2], you go!
Feb 10 20:10:39 <dyoung-web> ~cheer
Feb 10 20:10:40 <jbot> shift to the left, unshift to the right, push down, pop up, byte byte byte.
Feb 10 20:10:48 <[g2]> hey dyoung-web what's that for ?
Feb 10 20:11:03 <dyoung-web> Your OpenSlug posting on the yahoo.
Feb 10 20:11:20 <dyoung-web> I had to refrain from defining a brick.
Feb 10 20:11:52 <[g2]> I hope I didn't sound too harsh
Feb 10 20:14:56 <dyoung-web> I didnt think so.
Feb 10 20:17:53 <[g2]> dyoung-web, totally off-topic, but have you ever played with qemu
Feb 10 20:18:22 <dyoung-web> When Lennert talked about it I looked into it.
Feb 10 20:18:39 <dyoung-web> I got a little discouraged though.
Feb 10 20:19:02 <dyoung-web> jacques played with it more than me, I think.
Feb 10 20:20:54 <[g2]> damn-small-linux comes with an Iso image that you can run. I think it's pretty neat on x86 from playing with it for 10 minutes
Feb 10 20:21:11 <[g2]> I thing the ARM stuff has some distance to travel yet
Feb 10 20:21:39 <jacques> arm support is nothing like the x86 support
Feb 10 20:24:10 <[g2]> meaning the ARM support is way behind the x86 right ?
Feb 10 20:24:35 <jacques> so far behind as to be in a totally different class of software
Feb 10 20:24:46 <[g2]> exactly
Feb 10 20:25:03 <[g2]> or 2 years back
Feb 10 20:33:18 <[g2]> It's funky booting and running Knoppix 3.7 in QEMU :)
Feb 10 20:33:47 <[g2]> X11/KDE networking and all 
Feb 10 20:34:57 <jacques> yeah on x86 qemu is very impressive
Feb 10 20:36:15 <jacques> man I am getting so tired of ppl misusing "brick"
Feb 10 20:36:45 * kergoth too
Feb 10 20:37:05 * scanline wonders how they're misusing "brick"
Feb 10 20:37:10 <[g2]> jacques, the "TRUE" de-bricker !
Feb 10 20:37:37 <[g2]> calling a bad kernel/rootfs flash a brick
Feb 10 20:37:41 <kergoth> scanline: 'brick' implies permanence.  requires jtag to recover.  most users use it in the "oh no, it doesnt boot anymore.. until we fix it" sense
Feb 10 20:38:23 <scanline> hehe
Feb 10 20:42:40 <jacques> I'm not upset because I made a real brick and want to feel special. I'm upset because when ppl who know what a brick is look at the forums and see all these "bricks" being made, they probably think our project is crap.
Feb 10 20:44:00 <[g2]> I'm not worried about that.
Feb 10 20:44:25 <kergoth> i'm not worried for any reason, it just grates on my nerves :)
Feb 10 20:44:55 <[g2]> kergoth, Mr. Lake Placid :)
Feb 10 20:46:12 <jacques> If I went to a list for a project and saw it was making lots of bricks, I would back away.
Feb 10 20:46:24 <christopher> I installed Ubuntu! :-)
Feb 10 20:47:47 <[g2]> well we should put a counter on the home page  2K dl's (binaries) 1 brick
Feb 10 20:48:09 <kergoth> christopher: how do you like it? i hear good things
Feb 10 20:48:31 <christopher> It installed really easy and seems to be pretty professionally laid out
Feb 10 20:48:46 <christopher> so far I'm impressed, better than SUSE, but haven't got to play too much
Feb 10 20:52:23 <christopher> package installation is also a breeze
Feb 10 20:53:16 <[g2]> christopher, is there a livecd ?
Feb 10 20:55:24 * [g2] is dl'ing the livecd to run in qemu :)
Feb 10 20:55:47 <[g2]> that's just sick :)
Feb 10 20:56:39 <[g2]> yeah, now we're cooking the cable modem is maxed out
Feb 10 20:58:26 <christopher> yes, there is a live cd
Feb 10 21:15:59 <dyoung-web> bakc late
Feb 10 21:16:01 <dyoung-web> r
Feb 10 21:22:02 <[g2]> hotplug takes long to boot on ubunta too in qemu :)
Feb 10 21:41:04 <[g2]> christopher, ubunta looks pretty cool
Feb 10 21:41:22 <[g2]> playing around inside the livecd via qemu
Feb 10 21:41:51 <[g2]> nite all
Feb 10 21:55:52 * rt is once again tempted to think about building a robot.
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