**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 11 23:59:56 2005 Feb 12 00:00:13 my dad on maui uses linux Feb 12 00:00:36 so does my mom most of the time now :) Feb 12 00:01:01 thats neat. Feb 12 00:01:38 Nah there are a bunch of linux folk here; but nothing is organized. Feb 12 00:03:05 hmmm... sounds like an opportunity Feb 12 00:04:48 hmm I'd go to an expo in HI Feb 12 00:05:30 Hmm Feb 12 00:05:42 Maybe when I'm feeling less lazy I'll talk to some folks and see if theres interest Feb 12 00:08:18 youd probably get lots of west coast ppl Feb 12 00:08:37 it's far and expensive for east coast and europe tho Feb 12 00:08:37 ka6sox, can you snag me a programme? Feb 12 00:09:07 I'm a little curious about what kind of vendor sponsorship they had/have. Feb 12 00:09:18 I'm determined to make it to HI while I'm on the west coast Feb 12 00:09:45 dyoung: programme from the Conference? Feb 12 00:09:48 yeah Feb 12 00:09:49 okay I will. Feb 12 00:10:12 jacques, when I was dyoung-at-sea, I got a LAX-HNL flight for $120. Feb 12 00:10:13 cpage_: remind me. Feb 12 00:10:24 so it can be super cheap. Feb 12 00:10:55 dyoung yep well within my range there Feb 12 00:11:13 heck I paid $400 to fly to OK for Christmas :-\ Feb 12 00:11:21 Ow. Feb 12 00:14:54 LinuxChix? Feb 12 00:15:12 (new rock band?) Feb 12 00:15:16 Are you SBLUG? Feb 12 00:15:21 yes Feb 12 00:15:45 Can I join? Feb 12 00:15:49 yes Feb 12 00:16:15 I am the InstallFest/LAN party Chairman. Feb 12 00:16:25 InstallFest? Feb 12 00:16:29 Sounds spooky. Feb 12 00:16:43 network installation server? Feb 12 00:16:52 you mean you haven't done an installfest? Feb 12 00:17:02 Please Define. Feb 12 00:17:37 ppl bring their machines and get linux installed on them Feb 12 00:17:47 people come to a defined place with their computers and we install linux on it. Feb 12 00:18:35 Geez, the sblug webpage seems to have a lot of grafitti. Feb 12 00:18:48 comments section in the installfest section. Feb 12 00:18:52 huh? Feb 12 00:21:55 okay fixing now. Feb 12 00:22:44 (actually I'm asking the site manager to fitz Feb 12 00:35:59 we now have $860 to spend on the build machine. I'm looking for recommendations for $800 or less (keeping the $60 for domain fees, etc) Feb 12 00:36:39 jacques, Tie, ka6sox-away, others: what's the plan for purchase? Feb 12 00:37:38 the machine I spec'ed was only about $500 - but the extra $300 could get us a lot more power I think Feb 12 00:38:03 for $500 we can get something that will build all cross packages in 90 minutes Feb 12 00:38:16 90min isnt horrible. Feb 12 00:38:32 what sort of memory does the jacques machine require> Feb 12 00:38:49 2x512MB DDR Feb 12 00:39:01 at least 2700 Feb 12 00:40:08 can we put a XP2700+ in there? Feb 12 00:40:15 we will make a decision in the next hour or three, so put your bids in now :-) Feb 12 00:40:47 sure, I spec'ed a XP2500+ anything up to XP3200+ will work in the same motherboard Feb 12 00:40:52 1GB is enough. Feb 12 00:41:07 I was thinking about something we might be able to bitbake on Feb 12 00:41:09 is that a dual-channel MotherBoard? Feb 12 00:41:10 but with the extra money we might wanna look at Athlon64 Feb 12 00:41:17 nod Feb 12 00:41:27 ka6sox-away, yes nforce2 ultra400 Feb 12 00:42:42 ka6sox-away, ah I see newegg has a good deal on the XP2700+ right now - must be what you meant Feb 12 00:43:27 yes, since we have $800 then we definitely want to be able to bitbake one unslung and one openslug and also build unslung packages. all at the same time. Feb 12 00:44:41 rwhitby-800bucks, uh I dont see that happening Feb 12 00:44:52 I hope you're kidding Feb 12 00:45:10 jacques, yes that was what I was thinking Feb 12 00:45:24 ka6sox-away, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-455&depa=0 Feb 12 00:45:42 I've built three of those Feb 12 00:45:54 okay would a faster proc really help us/ Feb 12 00:45:55 ? Feb 12 00:46:08 (enough to make it worth getting) Feb 12 00:46:12 yes Feb 12 00:46:21 ooh look for $100 more; http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-457&depa=0 Feb 12 00:46:22 XP3200+? Feb 12 00:46:25 socket939 Feb 12 00:46:29 k Feb 12 00:46:42 that plus Athlon64 3500+ would ROCK Feb 12 00:47:18 what are the ramifications of settin up a 64bit vs 32 bit system. Feb 12 00:47:18 * dyoung hides his unused SATA Drives Feb 12 00:47:38 Actually... Feb 12 00:47:48 How much disk do we need? Feb 12 00:48:31 80gb Feb 12 00:48:37 Hmm Feb 12 00:49:36 hmm also bear in mind with the shuttle SFF we don't need boxed proc - OEM is fine and cheaper (doesn't come with HSF which would not work with shuttle anyway) Feb 12 00:49:57 for example OEM 2700+ is $89 while boxed is $105 Feb 12 00:50:43 we need OEM because of the Heat Pipe in the Shuttles. Feb 12 00:50:45 we want to have a system (32 bit vs 64 bit) which most people can replicate - remember this is the template system that anyone wanting to build cross packages should be able to replicate easily. So I think that means 32 bit. Feb 12 00:52:00 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-460&depa=0 Feb 12 00:52:26 so sweet Feb 12 00:53:26 even sweeter: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-498&depa=0 - winchester core :-) Feb 12 00:54:07 90nm vs 130 Feb 12 00:54:18 :) Feb 12 00:55:14 even running in 32bit mode the athlon64's rule Feb 12 00:56:33 rwhitby-800bucks, I can spec a system that meets your above requirement, but the motherboard alone will cost about $800 Feb 12 00:56:57 n-way opteron? Feb 12 00:57:06 yes Feb 12 00:57:09 the 4-way motherboard is pretty drn pricy Feb 12 00:57:09 NUMA Feb 12 00:57:18 probably a tyan pro board Feb 12 00:57:18 note I didn't say they had to all build in time period you previously specified. obviously it will take three times as long to build at the same time. Feb 12 00:57:52 rwhitby-800bucks, the contention for cpu/ram/disk would make that rather inefficiant Feb 12 00:57:58 ineffienent Feb 12 00:57:59 dammit Feb 12 00:58:01 inefficient Feb 12 00:58:08 yep Feb 12 00:58:24 now a SCSI/NUMA/SMP system... :-) Feb 12 00:58:29 we wouldn't do it often, but it has to handle it (at the expense of time) Feb 12 00:58:53 rwhitby-800bucks, let's just add up the RAM required to do two oe builds simultaneously Feb 12 00:59:00 2GB Feb 12 00:59:26 you guys settle on a system and then email me the specs. Feb 12 00:59:27 :) Feb 12 00:59:35 we could build a NUMA system with 2GB per proc - sweeet! Feb 12 01:00:01 is it really 1Gb for an OE build? I build it on a CoLinux session with 384Mb real memory and 1Gb swap Feb 12 01:00:39 well for me with psyco, the python process alone wants about 400MB, so maybe not 1GB Feb 12 01:00:56 ah, I don't use psycho Feb 12 01:00:57 but I have no idea how you do it with 384MB ram RAM Feb 12 01:01:20 512MB is generally accepted as the absolute bare minimum Feb 12 01:01:45 does it swap a lot? how long does it take? Feb 12 01:01:45 2 hours to build unslung with 384MB Feb 12 01:01:58 that's not bad at all Feb 12 01:02:09 and on colinux no less? shocking Feb 12 01:02:44 i gotta go cook dinner Feb 12 01:03:10 so, apart from the NUMA pipe dream, what is the current consensus? Feb 12 01:03:13 if my pork chops marinate too much longer they might fall apart Feb 12 01:03:33 * ka6sox-away waits with baited breath. Feb 12 01:04:02 I have 2 specs: $500 nforce2 XP2700+, about $800 also shuttle socket 939, athlon64 3500+ Feb 12 01:04:24 this is assuming the ram for the athlon64 would be about the same which I think is correct Feb 12 01:04:39 neither includes hard drive, cdrom, video, etc Feb 12 01:05:23 I can put a CDROM in there to get it built. Feb 12 01:05:36 I have spare cd drives too Feb 12 01:05:39 I have a cheap video card. Feb 12 01:05:39 well dunno if there should be an etc there - the shuttles include NIC sound etc Feb 12 01:05:57 it will do for these purposes. Feb 12 01:06:02 here are the two barebones for you guys to peruse (if you havent already) Feb 12 01:06:04 still 1GB ram? Feb 12 01:06:07 let's not skimp on the RAM Feb 12 01:06:09 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-455&depa=0 Feb 12 01:06:15 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-457&depa=0 Feb 12 01:06:45 I haven't looked closedly at the ram requirement for the athlon64 box Feb 12 01:07:04 I'm hesitant about the 64 bit compatibility ... Feb 12 01:07:17 ? Feb 12 01:07:43 if you read the reviews you will see that the athlon64 running 32bit windows still kills Feb 12 01:07:51 and it can run 32bit linux fine Feb 12 01:07:56 as well as 64bit Feb 12 01:07:59 dunno - it's new to me, so I don't know if there are any issues (we *don't* want this machine on the bleeding edge of linux compatibility) Feb 12 01:09:52 gotta go cook. Feb 12 01:10:22 "the meat just falls off the bone" Feb 12 01:10:50 is there Linux Drivers for the Marvell LAN chipset? Feb 12 01:11:05 Marvell 88E8001 Feb 12 02:06:36 jacques, did you eat yet? Feb 12 02:07:43 catch ya later... Feb 12 02:10:21 yeah Feb 12 02:19:09 so what's the highest spec that the http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-455&depa=0 can run at without stress (e.g max RAM, max processor, max # RAID disks) ? Feb 12 02:21:25 realistically probably 1GB RAM because it only has 2 slots and 1GB DIMMs are $$$ Feb 12 02:22:05 max proc is the fastest athlon XP which is 3200+ Feb 12 02:22:21 nobody ever mentioned RAID as a requirement Feb 12 02:25:56 we can rsync the important bits to external USB disk. Feb 12 02:26:07 Or SlugDisk. Feb 12 02:26:52 it has 1 internal 3.5" bay, 1 accessible 3.5" and 1 accessible 5.25" Feb 12 02:28:23 3200+ has 400MHz FSB which means DDR3200 Feb 12 02:28:28 we dont need no stinkin floppy. Feb 12 02:28:36 yep I agree Feb 12 02:28:53 (although if we need one I have.. Numerous extra. Feb 12 02:31:36 so whats 3200 proc plus 1Gb ddr3200 ram going to total all up (with two disks) ? Feb 12 02:35:45 $180 for the proc Feb 12 02:36:59 memory depends on specs Feb 12 02:37:08 latency etc Feb 12 02:37:24 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-145-450&DEPA=1 is good Feb 12 02:37:32 best stable crucial ..... Feb 12 02:38:10 huh? Feb 12 02:38:11 corsair is good too Feb 12 02:38:26 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-145-440&DEPA=1 is cheaper also corsair DDR3200 Feb 12 02:39:42 this is also good (I've had great luck with corsair and geil) http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-144-310&depa=1 Feb 12 02:40:17 anyway that gives a range of ram prices between $136 and $190 Feb 12 02:41:40 so what's that $190 + proc + eveything else + 2 x 80Gb (or larger) disks total? Feb 12 02:44:22 80GB 7200rpm ATA disks are ranging from $60-90 Feb 12 02:44:34 maybe two of these: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=22-148-039&DEPA=1 ? Feb 12 02:44:37 i think 80GB may no longer be the sweet spot Feb 12 02:44:44 I think !60 probably is Feb 12 02:44:46 160 Feb 12 02:45:22 rwhitby-800bucks, that's SATA - no SATA here unless we add a card Feb 12 02:45:32 oh - ok. Feb 12 02:46:08 two of these then: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-021&depa=1 ? Feb 12 02:46:38 quiet to match the shuttle case Feb 12 02:46:41 as I suspected - 160's are in same price range as 80's now Feb 12 02:47:21 only 2MB buffer :-\ 8 is standard and 16 is becoming common Feb 12 02:47:38 personally I have had bad luck with seagate, but probably best not to start that war Feb 12 02:48:03 5 yr warranty .... Feb 12 02:48:13 but yeah, 8mb minimum Feb 12 02:48:45 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-022&depa=1 ? Feb 12 02:48:48 if you do the search on newegg you can get all the 160GB 7200rpm 3.5" ATA drives Feb 12 02:49:13 heh something tells me rwhitby-800bucks likes seagate Feb 12 02:49:41 all my desktop drives are seagate Feb 12 02:49:47 but I'm not fanatical about it. Feb 12 02:50:34 I figure with a 5 yr warranty, and everything in CVS ... Feb 12 02:50:37 i just find them to be slightly more expensive and in my individual experience not worth the extra cost (my two failed :-( Feb 12 02:51:00 here is Aus, they are usually cheaper than WD and maxtor Feb 12 02:51:05 ah Feb 12 02:52:00 anyway, maxtor, WD, seagate any should work OK - it's luck of the draw whether one gets a bad drive Feb 12 02:52:26 maxtor has 16MB buffer and has been using FDB for a while now so they are also quiet Feb 12 02:52:40 (the new maxtors have 16MB buffer - older have 8) Feb 12 02:53:05 just don't let peteru-home know if we decide to buy a maxtor :- Feb 12 02:54:14 I think we should stay in the drive size/price sweet spot - we don't need huge storage but it's silly to pay same for old tech 80GB as new tech 160GB Feb 12 02:55:59 agreed Feb 12 03:10:35 maxtor. Feb 12 03:10:44 I have an aversion to maxtor Feb 12 03:10:56 they use twice as much power as the same size seagate. Feb 12 03:11:04 and they run REAL hot. Feb 12 03:11:34 I too would prefer WD or Seagate to Maxtor Feb 12 03:12:18 get what you want Feb 12 03:12:39 I'm getting rather tired of arguing drive brand religion Feb 12 03:12:51 fair enough Feb 12 03:13:14 they are only disk drives :-) Feb 12 03:13:36 I have all of the above. I'm just noting my maxtors run Real hot. Feb 12 03:13:38 yep Feb 12 03:14:12 if there is anything else with 5 yr warranty, then I'm open to it. otherwise, all other things being equal, I go for the longer warranty on disks. Feb 12 03:14:19 And something tells me Hot and 24/7 operation dont get along. Feb 12 03:14:33 argh Feb 12 03:14:42 some of these things I can't resist responding to Feb 12 03:14:53 i run my maxtors 24/7 for years Feb 12 03:15:06 can we just flip a coin or something and stop talking abot it? Feb 12 03:16:05 I'm sure most of these drive come from the same conscription labour camp anyways. Feb 12 03:16:34 ok, if we were to vote, I suspect seagate would win - so let's get seagate Feb 12 03:18:04 maybe this: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-025&depa=1 Feb 12 03:18:17 only about $7 more than the 120GB (I think) Feb 12 03:18:34 Does newegg have decent shipping for the conus? Feb 12 03:18:40 They always jack me on shipping. Feb 12 03:18:45 but everyone jacks me on shipping. Feb 12 03:18:57 * dyoung grumble Feb 12 03:19:29 jacques: looks good to me Feb 12 03:19:40 cool Feb 12 03:20:28 so 200 for case & misc, 200 for proc, 200 for ram, 200 for disks. Feb 12 03:20:48 anything else we need? Feb 12 03:21:52 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-455&depa=0 Feb 12 03:21:58 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=20-145-450&DEPA=1 Feb 12 03:22:14 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-025&depa=1 * 2 Feb 12 03:23:04 ka6sox-away said he has video card to use while installing so we don't need that Feb 12 03:23:08 link for processor? Feb 12 03:23:26 link ? Feb 12 03:23:36 the newegg link. Feb 12 03:23:41 oh sorry Feb 12 03:24:19 that was weird - they have a retail and OEM but the retail is cheaper(!) I think that's because conventional wisdom is the boxed procs are older revs Feb 12 03:24:25 and ppl who overclock want the latest Feb 12 03:24:34 difference was about $2 Feb 12 03:24:41 maybe $1 Feb 12 03:24:51 Whats the warantee policy on oem vs retail box these days? Feb 12 03:24:54 is there somewhere where ka6sox can just walk in and buy this stuff at these prices, or do we need to consider shipping too ? Feb 12 03:25:20 I would imagine that fry's would have similar pricing... Feb 12 03:25:59 but I havnt been to one for a few years Feb 12 03:26:27 I have no idea where ka6sox-away can walk into Feb 12 03:26:54 I presume there is a Fry's in LA ? Feb 12 03:27:17 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-390&depa=0 Feb 12 03:27:22 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-103-391&depa=0 Feb 12 03:27:27 the two procs Feb 12 03:27:45 yeah there's a Fry's there but LA is big - really big Feb 12 03:27:57 that's something we would have to ask him Feb 12 03:28:07 theres one near where he'll be in anaheim Feb 12 03:28:14 how much is shipping anyway? in CA there is also sales tax BTW Feb 12 03:28:37 ok, what is the warranties on all these parts (since it is a machine built from donations) ? Feb 12 03:29:05 I don;t understand the connection Feb 12 03:29:30 well, to replace a part we would have to go back to the community to get more funds. Feb 12 03:29:38 I dont think theres a fry's near his convention though. Feb 12 03:30:34 memory is easy - lifetime :-) Feb 12 03:30:43 other's probably pathetic as usual Feb 12 03:31:09 lifetime for memory, 5 yrs for disk (which is probably the lifetime of this project), .... Feb 12 03:31:36 CPU Failure is pretty rare. Feb 12 03:32:51 power supply? Feb 12 03:33:00 and motherboard? Feb 12 03:33:02 part of the case? Feb 12 03:33:14 yeah, how long is the warranty on it? Feb 12 03:33:18 the whole barebones is under same warantee Feb 12 03:34:38 which is ? Feb 12 03:36:18 interesting Feb 12 03:36:42 on shuttle's site they have a SN45GV3 (instead of V2) which has SATA RAID Feb 12 03:38:47 its 12month on barebones systems Feb 12 03:39:36 hi dyoung, how's life with yer mac mini? Feb 12 03:40:15 I'm pretty satified with the mini Feb 12 03:40:35 http://sys.us.shuttle.com/Scgsupport/RMAInquiry.aspx Feb 12 03:40:59 is it the 1.2 ghz? what about the ventilator inside..does it run when e.g. surfing the web, using word? Feb 12 03:41:27 jacques: is the newegg extended warranty worth it? Feb 12 03:41:27 No, it only runs when bitbaking, or when importing a big video file, etc. Feb 12 03:41:34 under normal use the fan stays off. Feb 12 03:41:39 or "slow". Feb 12 03:41:50 so its really damn quiet? :) Feb 12 03:42:15 Yes. I'm happy about the sound levels. Feb 12 03:42:22 rwhitby-800bucks, do they have one on the shuttle ? I usually don't get extended warranties Feb 12 03:42:37 now the loud thing is the crappy LaCie disk that Slug is plugged to. Feb 12 03:43:24 at what resolution are u using the mac mini with? is it true that running it at 1280*1024 will slow the cpu down due to little gfx mem? Feb 12 03:46:03 I run at that resolution. Theres 32MB of dedicated video memory. Feb 12 03:46:16 so i dont think theres a slowdown, but I havnt run at lower resoltions either. Feb 12 03:46:36 k Feb 12 03:48:25 jacques: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=56-101-455&depa=0 has the "qualifies for extended warranty" graphic on the side ... Feb 12 03:49:45 Extended Warranty: $ 16.32 Feb 12 03:49:50 for one additional year Feb 12 03:50:18 seems to contradict this tho: **This item is warranted through the product manufacturer only. Feb 12 03:50:36 unless extended warranty is through shuttle Feb 12 03:51:14 dunno Feb 12 03:53:01 Its probably like the compusa extended warantee. Feb 12 03:53:16 or any other big box extended warantee. Feb 12 03:57:02 yeah, the details indicate you send it to newegg, and they send you back a replacement. Feb 12 04:25:24 so how much over $800 does it all add up to? Do we only buy one disk to bring the cost down? Feb 12 04:28:02 what disk size was the decision? Feb 12 04:28:42 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-148-025&depa=1 Feb 12 04:28:46 160 Gb Feb 12 04:29:44 is that a raid device, or a backup device? Feb 12 04:30:08 if its a backup device we can back it up to something smaller Feb 12 04:30:38 or wait till theres an extra $100 in the kitty. Feb 12 04:31:26 I was figuring the second drive would be raid (or do you really need more than two)? Feb 12 04:31:40 but ka6sox can probably back it up somewhere else ... Feb 12 04:31:54 what kind of failure/oops do you want to protect against? Feb 12 04:32:11 just drive failure Feb 12 04:32:25 all the source will be in CVS/BB anyway ... Feb 12 05:19:03 rwhitby-800bucks: What was the reasons for not being able to use PayPal in EU? Feb 12 05:20:15 something about privacy laws - or that might have been responding to my suggestion of someone over there collecting donations in a bank account and then forwarding a single paypal donation. Feb 12 05:22:51 I've got a PayPal UK account. I think it might be something to do with Germany Feb 12 05:23:17 I seem to remember they've got some extra laws regarding privacy because eBay Germany works differently to everybody else Feb 12 05:23:22 *shrug* Feb 12 05:24:02 I don't know of any EU wide service similar to paypal however which is a bit annoying Feb 12 05:25:19 nochex is slightly cheaper if you're accepting credit card payments Feb 12 05:25:26 http://help.nochex.com/?Action=Q&ID=92 Feb 12 05:29:43 i heard something about worldpay being okay Feb 12 05:29:58 Looks quite expensive from that comparision page Feb 12 06:15:14 hi Feb 12 06:16:00 Hi Feb 12 06:18:22 i have a problem with bitbaking the unslung image Feb 12 06:18:40 ipkg-native fails Feb 12 06:19:16 all_read.c:45: error: conflicting types for 'full_read' Feb 12 06:19:16 | libbb.h:119: error: previous declaration of 'full_read' was here Feb 12 06:19:52 sorry. can't help you with that one! you'll have to wait for kergoth or one of the others to reappear Feb 12 08:54:44 hm... does anybody know how to fix compilation of nfs-utils for an uclibc-openslug? Feb 12 08:55:19 <[g2]> siddy, I didn't know it was broken Feb 12 08:55:45 <[g2]> I've got to run right now, but it doesn't compile ? Feb 12 08:56:12 it fails with "`NFS_STATEDIR' undeclared" Feb 12 08:56:37 rmtab.c: In function `setrmtabent': Feb 12 08:56:42 rmtab.c:27: error: `NFS_STATEDIR' undeclared (first use in this function) Feb 12 08:56:47 to be exact. Feb 12 09:01:05 <[g2]> siddy, it's broke in glibc too Feb 12 09:01:28 <[g2]> well I'm off Feb 12 09:01:32 yes, but it with a different error, if I remember correctly. Feb 12 09:08:37 rwhitby-away: Seems like appWeb is missing a library in the IPK - libmpr.so - it is needed to run e.g. htPassword. Feb 12 10:54:27 aha! Feb 12 10:54:35 i knew something completely obvious was amiss Feb 12 10:54:40 * giel hits himself Feb 12 10:56:26 ? Feb 12 11:01:37 i have no /dev/console on my hdd Feb 12 11:01:58 so my /bin/init failed Feb 12 11:02:06 are you still working on switchbox? Feb 12 11:03:43 uhu Feb 12 11:03:56 don't have much free time, so it's going slow Feb 12 11:04:02 but i'm almost where i want to be Feb 12 11:26:12 giel, which switchbox do you use? the one in the openembedded-repository or in unslung-4.x? Feb 12 11:26:28 i'm using switchbox 4.6 now Feb 12 11:28:04 k, I think, I'm also gonna use switchbox, the 8MB flash is just too small... ;) Feb 12 11:28:34 i just want to use hdd as root filesystem, just for flexibility Feb 12 11:28:51 and btw, you are already using switchbox Feb 12 11:29:00 it's only switching to the jffs2 instead of hdd Feb 12 11:29:22 I know, but is openslug's switchbox already able to use usb-storage-devices? Feb 12 11:29:34 no Feb 12 11:29:59 but switchbox 4.6 is? Feb 12 11:30:03 no Feb 12 11:30:08 you'll have to modify it Feb 12 11:30:22 not too heavily tho Feb 12 11:30:30 oh... so where's the advantage in using the newer version? Feb 12 11:30:51 oh, it has infrastructure for using various devices as root filesystem Feb 12 11:31:25 it would work if you'd use a kernel with usb drivers and scsi drivers in the kernel instead of modules Feb 12 11:31:42 but if you are using modules you'll have to copy them in switchbox and load them before you mount the hdd Feb 12 11:31:46 it's not too hard Feb 12 11:31:58 k, so I "simply" have to make switchbox load the usb-storage-modules, modify it to use /dev/sda1 and I'm done? Feb 12 11:33:30 yeah that's about it Feb 12 11:33:37 i can help you when you're going to do it Feb 12 11:33:46 but first i have to get it working for myself :) Feb 12 11:33:48 i'm close tho Feb 12 11:36:14 well, I just "bricked" my openslug once again, and I'm sick of not being able to access it's root-fs from another device. So, modifying switchbox to use my cardreader as root would be the way to go I guess. Feb 12 11:45:15 Is it possible to split up a firmware images into its components (kernel, rootfs etc)? Feb 12 11:45:58 I would like to loopback mount the rootfs Feb 12 11:51:09 yeah Feb 12 11:51:26 use slugimage Feb 12 11:52:03 it's in the CVS repo Feb 12 11:52:19 the module is called slugimage Feb 12 12:05:37 is there a reason why we have I2C-support in the defconfig of openslug's kernel? Feb 12 12:08:33 maybe just because the ixp4xx defconfig has it Feb 12 12:09:02 hm... k, so I'll better let it in there... :-\ Feb 12 12:09:37 giel: There is a package called slugtool, but no slugimage. You mean BK-repo? Feb 12 12:11:01 wiki/OpenEmbedded/OEKernelBuildWithStockRamdiskLog seems to suggest there's an rtc on the i2c bus Feb 12 12:12:28 ah, thx. so I'll just keep I2C and hope it's not too big. My kernel is getting close to the 1MB-boundary... :-( Feb 12 12:18:51 bob_tm: no, i mean sourceforge CVS Feb 12 12:19:54 Hmmm... no make/slugimage.mk.... Where is it? Feb 12 12:20:03 ...under unslung, that is Feb 12 12:20:09 <[g2]> hey lennert Feb 12 12:20:14 it is not under unslung Feb 12 12:20:20 it is a separate module Feb 12 12:20:27 do a cvs checkout slugimage Feb 12 12:20:33 Ok - will do. thnx Feb 12 12:20:47 <[g2]> giel, which mods did you do to switchbox Feb 12 12:20:54 <[g2]> to make it boot Feb 12 12:21:00 i copied the usb and scsi modules to it Feb 12 12:21:05 and did some insmodding Feb 12 12:21:14 but it still doesn't work Feb 12 12:21:15 <[g2]> and some waiting ? Feb 12 12:21:23 uh yeah Feb 12 12:21:30 <[g2]> can you e-mail me a copy ? Feb 12 12:21:32 my slug reboots now after chrooting i guess Feb 12 12:21:43 pbly a panic Feb 12 12:21:46 dunno why Feb 12 12:22:01 <[g2]> me either, but at least I've got serial :) Feb 12 12:22:22 well i can telnet in before booting now Feb 12 12:22:31 but from within that telnet shell i can't run init Feb 12 12:23:47 [g2]: i'll email you what i've got once i got it working, okay? Feb 12 12:23:55 <[g2]> I think init needs to be job 1 Feb 12 12:24:31 <[g2]> well I may get a chance in about 5-6 hours to play with it a bit Feb 12 12:24:49 <[g2]> I can just go straight to switchbox 4.6 Feb 12 12:25:26 <[g2]> or just play with it straight on the jffs2 partition Feb 12 12:25:50 <[g2]> maybe that's the thing to do Feb 12 12:26:10 <[g2]> lose switchbox, and boot straight to the jffs2 partition Feb 12 12:26:22 hm Feb 12 12:26:51 <[g2]> if the reset button is held down, then the linuxrc skips booting to external drives and loads a fails safe ext2 part or the jffs2 Feb 12 12:37:33 can anyone help with vsftpd? Feb 12 12:37:58 hello [g2] Feb 12 12:45:36 this is weirf Feb 12 12:45:52 why isn't my linuxrc executed as job 1 Feb 12 12:47:32 Can anyone help me with vsftpd? I can only log in as 'root'. Feb 12 12:47:45 ~nslu2-vsftpd Feb 12 12:47:46 have a look at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Vsftpd Feb 12 12:48:48 yes. Feb 12 12:49:20