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Feb 14 00:00:14 <template> i cannot figura out what it is about %-)
Feb 14 00:00:23 <ka6sox-zzzz> what is *it*?
Feb 14 00:00:30 <template> nslu2
Feb 14 00:00:39 <ka6sox-zzzz> ~nslu2
Feb 14 00:00:40 <jbot> it has been said that nslu2 is a Linksys network storage device.  It runs linux and features an ixp4xx processor, and is hackable.  See http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=35&scid=43&prid=640, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/
Feb 14 00:01:24 <template> thx was searching for the former, the latter i had.
Feb 14 00:02:04 <template> quite confusing to be pointed to the wiki without knowing about that device. :-) thx again.
Feb 14 00:03:11 <ka6sox-zzzz> okay have fun.
Feb 14 00:03:14 <ka6sox-zzzz> nite all
Feb 14 00:03:23 <jp30> hurrah! glib builds... cvs commit coming up...
Feb 14 00:05:16 <CIA-10> 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (8 files in 2 dirs): include a working syslimits.h in crosstool-native
Feb 14 00:30:51 <christopher> anyone know why patch gives me the error fseek:improper arguement
Feb 14 00:43:40 <rwhitby-away> christopher: patch needs to be built native - you can't get it from the cross feed
Feb 14 00:45:55 <christopher> oh, ok
Feb 14 00:46:03 <giel> hmz\
Feb 14 00:46:08 <giel> screen doesn't compile in OE
Feb 14 00:46:13 <christopher> I am trying a native build of python
Feb 14 00:46:16 <giel> i suspect it has something to do with uclibc
Feb 14 00:47:13 <christopher> anyway, I guess I'll see what comes out of the compile in the morning, night all
Feb 14 00:48:37 <perlguru-work> morning
Feb 14 01:00:53 <rwhitby-away> morning
Feb 14 01:05:31 <giel> morning
Feb 14 02:48:08 * rwhitby starts a make distclean all upload on builds ...
Feb 14 02:49:11 * dyoung looks in dispair at his pile of mess.
Feb 14 03:28:58 <MooZ> hello
Feb 14 03:32:08 <siddy> hi folks!
Feb 14 03:33:07 <siddy> a question to the opensluggers: Openslug is frequently crashing for me under high network-loads. anyone else seeing this?
Feb 14 03:54:45 <giel> hm, haven't been running any high network loads
Feb 14 03:54:53 <giel> i'm still wondering what swapper might be
Feb 14 04:14:10 <rwhitby> ~google swapper linux
Feb 14 04:14:13 <jbot> Google says swapper linux is at http://www.linuxsolved.com/forums/ftopic815.html or http://www.beowulf.org/archive/2000-October/000948.html or http://forums.devshed.com/archive/t-28028/kernel-panic-in-swapper-task-not-syncing or http://alphalinux.org/archives/axp-list/November2000/0703.shtml or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/VALinux-kb/swapper-task-not-syncing.html
Feb 14 04:14:38 <rwhitby> giel: there's a start for your research ...
Feb 14 04:19:49 <giel> most of those links are about the swapper, which might or might not be [swapper]. I mean, the swapper is [kswapd], and what this is I don't know yet... funny thing is the task doesn't exist on my desktop machine
Feb 14 05:17:10 <siddy> ah , hi [g2]!
Feb 14 05:17:41 <siddy> do you know of any problems with openslug crashing under high network-loads?
Feb 14 05:21:47 <perlguru-work> so, when is openslug going beta?
Feb 14 05:22:46 <siddy> i think the beta is coming when there are 20 alpha-users. we are currently at 15.
Feb 14 05:25:59 <perlguru-work> is there an up-to-date status/feature page?
Feb 14 05:26:45 <perlguru-work> last time i checked it had outdated info....
Feb 14 05:27:53 <perlguru-work> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/OpenSlugStatus   last edited 14 dec. 2004
Feb 14 05:29:41 <siddy> yeah, looks a bit outdated. I think, all points except the last one are resolved right now, at least I haven't noticed those problems up to now... ;)
Feb 14 05:32:04 <rwhitby-away> perlguru-work: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/database?method=reportRows&tbl=7
Feb 14 05:32:09 <rwhitby-away> still 15
Feb 14 05:42:32 <[g2]> siddy, hey!
Feb 14 05:43:57 <[g2]> siddy, i don't know of any specific problem other than this same problem the stock unit has with big transfers. That was supposed to be fixed with the R23.29 Release that I've never seen source code for
Feb 14 05:45:09 <siddy> [g2], I have never seen those problems with unslung
Feb 14 05:45:21 <[g2]> The major troubling issue I'm aware of with OpenSlug is the irq 26 message that comes up during high disk utilization, which may or may not be a real problem
Feb 14 05:46:09 <[g2]> perlguru-work, hey.  I'll update the OpenSlug Status page
Feb 14 05:46:16 <siddy> yes, I'm also getting lots of those. I'm just trying to play with my kernel-config to get rid of those.
Feb 14 05:46:48 <[g2]> siddy, are you using the IXP interface for ethernet ?
Feb 14 05:47:02 <siddy> yes. 
Feb 14 05:47:21 <[g2]> do you by chance have a usb-to-ethernet adapter ?
Feb 14 05:48:14 <siddy> no, sorry. I could try to use an usb-wlan-stick, but that thing is not here atm... :-(
Feb 14 05:48:33 <[g2]> that's ok, I was just checking
Feb 14 05:48:43 <[g2]> I've got one and several other ppl have one
Feb 14 05:48:56 <siddy> so, you think the ixp-driver is to blame for the irq-problems?
Feb 14 05:49:12 <[g2]> well it's polling at 4K times a second
Feb 14 05:49:45 <[g2]> I don't think there's a huge issue there, but there might be a minor race/timing issue somewhere
Feb 14 05:49:55 <[g2]> But that's just *pure specualtion*
Feb 14 05:50:25 <siddy> hm, quite much for the poor little slug... I'm just compiling a preempt-kernel, should give better response-times on irqs, hopefully 
Feb 14 05:51:22 <[g2]> I'm interested in seeing the performance difference without those, but it may be similiar or worse than the Intel driver
Feb 14 05:51:39 <jacques> [g2], did you see CSR 1.5 is out?
Feb 14 05:51:45 <[g2]> because it did some processing off chip.
Feb 14 05:51:53 <[g2]> jacques, no I did not!
Feb 14 05:51:55 <[g2]> thx
Feb 14 05:51:59 <jacques> np
Feb 14 05:52:14 <[g2]> are you running 1.5 by chance ?
Feb 14 05:54:29 <VoodooZ_work> morning
Feb 14 05:56:21 <[g2]> perlguru-work, I'm guessing you know that the usbnet issues are resolved now
Feb 14 06:00:59 <perlguru-work> [g2], I read the logs. So, I sort of know the status. But it would be nice if there could be a feature page, with the differences/advantages etc and a migration howto would be nice ;)
Feb 14 06:01:50 <jacques> [g2], I just checked and found CSR 1.5 about 20 minutes ago
Feb 14 06:02:29 <VoodooZ_work> WHat does the change log say?
Feb 14 06:02:33 <perlguru-work> [g2], I am still waiting for the 2nd newsletter ;)
Feb 14 06:04:28 <[g2]> a feature page would be nice along with some advantages/differences
Feb 14 06:05:03 <[g2]> The migration howto will be an area that's left up to the user
Feb 14 06:06:17 <perlguru-work> the question is really: is it just flash openslug image and it runs? or do i have to do more?
Feb 14 06:06:42 <[g2]> rwhitby and I have very similar views on many things, but we differed fundamentally on Linksys compatibility/support
Feb 14 06:07:41 <[g2]> I'm of the opinion that the older toolchains/libs and the linksys setup are a maintenance mine field
Feb 14 06:08:14 <perlguru-work> i would say: if you reflash with linksys firmware, it should work (reconfiguring stuff is ok)
Feb 14 06:09:01 <perlguru-work> openslug: everything goes. away with linksys!
Feb 14 06:09:08 <[g2]> well currently, OpenSlug only provides dropbear and portmap
Feb 14 06:09:36 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: that's why we created Unslung and OpenSlug in the first place :-)
Feb 14 06:10:00 <perlguru-work> i want: openssh, samba, printer stuff cups webserver (thttpd) and some other stuff
Feb 14 06:10:01 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, exactly! this has been from the start
Feb 14 06:10:40 <[g2]> perlguru-work, that's quite possible
Feb 14 06:10:51 <rwhitby-away> We didn't differ - I thought we both agreed that there were multiple camps and neither Unslung or OpenSlug could cover them all ...
Feb 14 06:11:25 <perlguru-work> i think the gap between unslung and openslug is very close now
Feb 14 06:11:42 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, Ok I'll fully concur with that, I"m just saying you have championed Unslung
Feb 14 06:11:43 <perlguru-work> (from user perspective)
Feb 14 06:12:05 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: I have championed both, but only had time to personally drive one ....
Feb 14 06:12:15 <rwhitby-away> perlguru-work: the gap will never close
Feb 14 06:12:23 <rwhitby-away> we don't want it to.
Feb 14 06:12:32 <perlguru-work> i agree, because of the linksys stuff
Feb 14 06:12:41 <rwhitby-away> We don't want to shackle OpenSlug ...
Feb 14 06:14:54 <[g2]> So I think there are 2 probable outcomes for OpenSlug in the next couple months:
Feb 14 06:15:57 <[g2]> 1) beta goes out and it's a big yawn... And winds up like OpenWRT where 97% of the users don't use it, but something like Sveasoft, etc....
Feb 14 06:16:22 <[g2]> ppl just don't have the time/energy etc... to play with it
Feb 14 06:17:28 <[g2]> 2) when enough ppl have used it and several services or a critical bug or two is fixed, droves migrate to it
Feb 14 06:18:04 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: I think the key to user acceptance is an easily extendible web interface (maybe webmin or something better than that) to configure and admin the box.
Feb 14 06:18:26 <rwhitby-away> (i.e. *not* the Linksys web interface)
Feb 14 06:18:31 <perlguru-work> rwhitby-away: agreed
Feb 14 06:18:47 <perlguru-work> bob_tm was working on webmin
Feb 14 06:19:02 <perlguru-work> depends on perl...
Feb 14 06:26:02 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, btw did you hear that dyoung successfully booted both unslung and openslug with beewoolie's APEX flashed in block 0 ?
Feb 14 06:30:36 <rwhitby-away> yep - very nice!
Feb 14 06:33:16 <bob_tm-away> perlguru-work: It does run with miniserv, but is quite slow. Almost got it to work with appWeb, but there are problems with themes just like in Apache. 
Feb 14 06:33:50 <bob_tm-away> ....and you must run appweb as root. For some reason "SUID root" on the perl scripts didn't work :-(
Feb 14 06:35:22 <bob_tm-away> ... A major step (in my view) would be when we tidy up /opt/etc/init.d with start/stop/restart and may introduced a run-level or two (one default and one maintenance seems useful to me).
Feb 14 07:05:04 <giel> [g2]: can you give me a ps fax on your openslug?
Feb 14 07:07:33 <[g2]> ps fax ?
Feb 14 07:08:39 <MooZ> ps -fax
Feb 14 07:10:16 <rwhitby-away> I was waiting for [g2] to give out his fax number ...
Feb 14 07:10:41 <[g2]> :)
Feb 14 07:11:04 <rwhitby-away> night all
Feb 14 07:11:08 <giel> # ps fax
Feb 14 07:11:10 <[g2]> sweet dreams
Feb 14 07:11:11 <giel> :)
Feb 14 07:11:18 <ByronT> night rwhitby
Feb 14 07:11:29 <ka6sox-zzzz> rats..missed him
Feb 14 07:11:33 <ka6sox-zzzz> morning ByronT
Feb 14 07:11:42 <ByronT> morning! Tom
Feb 14 07:11:43 <ka6sox-zzzz> rwhitby-away: $100
Feb 14 07:12:05 <ByronT> <- barely awake, but then the coffee is *taking*
Feb 14 07:12:19 <[g2]> giel, OpenSlug is booting what's the f ?
Feb 14 07:12:42 <ka6sox-zzzz> byront: that means I need more coffee
Feb 14 07:12:51 <rwhitby-away> ka6sox-zzzz: thx
Feb 14 07:13:08 <ka6sox-zzzz> now you really need to -zzzz
Feb 14 07:13:26 <ByronT> ka6sox-zzzz, I'm sucking it down as fast a possible
Feb 14 07:13:33 <giel> [g2]: i want to know what the task 'swapper' is and why it's taking 100% cpu time all the time
Feb 14 07:13:46 <giel> it's a kernel task, but i've never seen it before
Feb 14 07:13:56 <giel> and it's not on my desktop machine, so i suspect something arm specific
Feb 14 07:14:07 <[g2]> nslu2 login: root
Feb 14 07:14:07 <[g2]> root@nslu2:~# ps fax
Feb 14 07:14:07 <[g2]>   PID  Uid     VmSize Stat Command
Feb 14 07:14:07 <[g2]>     1 root        528 S   init [2]
Feb 14 07:14:07 <[g2]>     2 root            SWN [ksoftirqd/0]
Feb 14 07:14:08 <[g2]>     3 root            SW< [events/0]
Feb 14 07:14:10 <[g2]>     4 root            SW< [khelper]
Feb 14 07:14:24 <giel> hm, weird
Feb 14 07:14:26 <[g2]>    11 root            SW< [kblockd/0]
Feb 14 07:14:26 <[g2]>    21 root            SW  [kapmd]
Feb 14 07:14:26 <[g2]>    23 root            SW  [pdflush]
Feb 14 07:14:26 <[g2]>    24 root            SW  [pdflush]
Feb 14 07:15:01 <VoodooZ_work> you have kapmd? Isn't that for power management?
Feb 14 07:15:13 <giel> thnx
Feb 14 07:15:57 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cron/control: Upped version number
Feb 14 07:16:27 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cron/prerm: Now stopping cron before installing new version
Feb 14 07:16:32 <VoodooZ_work> [g2]: congrats on ironing out the usbnet issue!
Feb 14 07:17:42 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cron/Makefile.patch: Set paths correctly for cron dir and run dir
Feb 14 07:20:59 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/cron.mk: Added prerm script. Due to bug in toolchain paths.h, using incorrect paths for system utilites, crontab will look for vi in the wrong place - use environment variable EDITOR or VISUAL to override
Feb 14 07:21:16 <jacques> [g2], you have any swap mounted ?
Feb 14 07:23:24 <jacques> I have:    25 root            SW  [kswapd0]
Feb 14 07:25:32 <[g2]>  25 root            SW  [kswapd0]
Feb 14 07:26:07 <jacques> wow I gotta get this laptop! 
Feb 14 07:26:08 <jacques> List Price: $1,999.99
Feb 14 07:26:08 <jacques> Our Price: $0.00
Feb 14 07:26:28 <jacques> I think I'll order 10 (don't wanna be too greedy)
Feb 14 07:27:25 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cups/rc.samba: Fixed spelling error in path to Samba spool directory
Feb 14 07:27:47 <VoodooZ_work> jump on it now! I've seen people get 5000$ trips to jamaica's sandals resort for 500$ because of a typo!
Feb 14 07:27:48 <[g2]> VoodooZ_work, thx, lennert and arm-linux guys are quite sharp, I think I just had the problem narrowed down enough that lennert had great insight into the issue
Feb 14 07:28:21 <VoodooZ_work> Still, you pre-chewed it for them so that's 3/4 of the battle if you ask me. 
Feb 14 07:28:38 <VoodooZ_work> Getting started on a problem is tough and most people never follow through with it.
Feb 14 07:28:43 <VoodooZ_work> ~praise [g2]
Feb 14 07:28:46 <jbot> All hail [g2]!
Feb 14 07:28:52 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cups/control: Added depends and upped version number
Feb 14 07:28:58 <VoodooZ_work> Now fix my 
Feb 14 07:29:05 <VoodooZ_work> oops. 
Feb 14 07:29:19 <VoodooZ_work> Now fix my hotplug issue! ;)
Feb 14 07:30:36 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/cups/cups-install.doc: Fixed incorrect init script numbering
Feb 14 07:32:15 <CIA-10> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/cups.mk: Made startup scripts executables - added zlib to dependency list and upped version number
Feb 14 07:34:53 <giel> VoodooZ_work: you want quicker bootup times?
Feb 14 07:35:45 <VoodooZ_work> mostly yes. 
Feb 14 07:43:05 <giel> VoodooZ_work: quick 'n dirrteh hack: load all the modules you want yourself in a bootup script and skip the hotplug bootup (and shutdown) script
Feb 14 07:43:19 <giel> the hotplug bootup script isn't needed for hotplug functionality
Feb 14 07:43:34 <giel> it's rather for coldplugging, ie. generating hotplug events for devices already present at boot
Feb 14 07:44:00 <giel> it shortened my bootup time by almost 90 seconds
Feb 14 07:45:10 <VoodooZ_work> nice! 
Feb 14 07:45:21 <giel> if you need more info/help, let me know
Feb 14 07:45:32 <VoodooZ_work> [g2] or kergoth already suggested that but I wasn't too sure how to do it.
Feb 14 07:45:46 <VoodooZ_work> UNless you feel like writing a wiki page? :)
Feb 14 07:45:51 <giel> you  want a somewhat nice solution, or a really easy and quick one?
Feb 14 07:46:14 <VoodooZ_work> a quick one as I don't have time to implement a nice one.
Feb 14 07:46:17 <giel> ok
Feb 14 07:46:27 <giel> here goes, you make a wiki page of it :P
Feb 14 07:46:39 <VoodooZ_work> What does your script do? a bunch of modprobe?
Feb 14 07:46:45 <giel> uh mostly
Feb 14 07:47:00 <giel> delete S40hotplug from rcS.d
Feb 14 07:47:00 <VoodooZ_work> Would you mind sending me a copy?
Feb 14 07:47:05 <giel> well, i lied
Feb 14 07:47:05 <VoodooZ_work> yep
Feb 14 07:47:10 <giel> i don't have a script
Feb 14 07:47:13 <VoodooZ_work> hehe
Feb 14 07:47:23 <giel> what modules do you use by the way?
Feb 14 07:47:34 <giel> (i load all modules already in linuxrc, as i need my hdd to boot from)
Feb 14 07:47:41 <VoodooZ_work> I have most of my stuff statically compiled to make it faster.
Feb 14 07:47:53 <giel> so basically only the ixp400 and ixp425_eth?
Feb 14 07:48:17 <VoodooZ_work> I don't even use it actually. It's too slow. I use my bluetooth
Feb 14 07:48:23 <VoodooZ_work> and some webcam modules
Feb 14 07:48:27 <giel> ah anyeay
Feb 14 07:48:29 <giel> anyway
Feb 14 07:48:43 <giel> you can make a S39modules script in rcS.d
Feb 14 07:48:46 <giel> and put this in it
Feb 14 07:49:02 <giel> (uhm call it S39modules.sh btw)
Feb 14 07:49:11 <giel> and put all your modprobes in it
Feb 14 07:49:34 <giel> (calling it .sh lets the startup sequence know it's not a start/stop script, but only something which needs to be run)
Feb 14 07:49:38 <VoodooZ_work> just a plain old modprobe ov511 option=xxx for example?
Feb 14 07:49:42 <giel> yep
Feb 14 07:49:48 <giel> just all your manual modprobes in this script
Feb 14 07:49:52 <giel> don't forget to chmod +x irt
Feb 14 07:49:54 <giel> it*
Feb 14 07:49:57 <VoodooZ_work> sends reasonable.
Feb 14 07:50:10 <giel> and delete the symlink to the hotplug script
Feb 14 07:50:14 <VoodooZ_work> But wouldn't not starting the hotplug script break my udev?
Feb 14 07:50:18 <giel> and also in rc0.d and rc6.d
Feb 14 07:50:26 <giel> hm... I don't think so
Feb 14 07:50:36 <giel> but... I'm not sure
Feb 14 07:50:41 <giel> try :)
Feb 14 07:50:43 <VoodooZ_work> ok. 
Feb 14 07:51:03 <VoodooZ_work> which file do you edit to have more /dev entries created?
Feb 14 07:51:34 <giel> what do you mean?
Feb 14 07:52:19 <VoodooZ_work> well, if I ditch udev, then I'll need to have a few more /dev/ nodes for my hardware like /dev/video0 /dev/buzzer /dev/leds
Feb 14 07:52:26 <giel> ah
Feb 14 07:52:33 <giel> well, i don't think you'll have to ditch udev
Feb 14 07:52:49 <giel> but i know what file you mean, but i can't look the exact name up now
Feb 14 07:53:03 <giel> look in the makedev script or something
Feb 14 07:53:27 <giel> oh btw, did you have solutions to access the buzzer and leds in openslug?
Feb 14 07:53:42 <VoodooZ_work> cool. I use to know but because I've been using udev for so long I forgot the manual way.
Feb 14 07:54:03 <VoodooZ_work> Well, I don't really need udev anyways. I want to make it as fast as possible so..
Feb 14 07:54:07 <VoodooZ_work> yep.
Feb 14 07:54:18 <giel> but pbly udev still works without using hotplug startup scripts
Feb 14 07:54:39 <VoodooZ_work> It's already in there. Just need to create the two /dev/ entries and write some code to ioctls them.
Feb 14 07:54:46 <VoodooZ_work> we'll see.
Feb 14 07:54:51 <giel> ah ioctls
Feb 14 07:54:54 <VoodooZ_work> If you want some code examples let me know.
Feb 14 07:55:11 <giel> yeah, good to know you know how :)
Feb 14 07:55:17 <[g2]> VoodooZ_work, can you post that on the wiki for all OpenSlugger's ?
Feb 14 07:55:22 <giel> if i know what ioctls then i'm good
Feb 14 07:55:41 <giel> uhm, yeah, i want to clean stuff a bit up and i'll post some words on hotplug
Feb 14 07:55:46 <[g2]> for the leds and buzzer
Feb 14 07:55:48 <giel> later this week (busy as always)
Feb 14 07:56:30 <VoodooZ_work> Ok. I'll do that.
Feb 14 07:56:34 <[g2]> THX
Feb 14 07:56:41 <VoodooZ_work> Just have to cleanup my act first.
Feb 14 07:57:06 <ByronT> anyway to browse CVS repo via web?
Feb 14 07:57:08 <VoodooZ_work> [g2]: What should I call the entry? 
Feb 14 07:57:22 <VoodooZ_work> If it's on sf follow the CVS entry
Feb 14 07:57:48 <ByronT> I'm getting "proxy" errors
Feb 14 07:57:51 <[g2]> UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenSlug ?
Feb 14 07:58:12 <VoodooZ_work> ok.
Feb 14 07:58:45 <VoodooZ_work> should be easy as my robot's been beeping and flashing LEDS for a f ew months.
Feb 14 07:58:53 <ByronT> and I would a CVS client but sf.net has put me on backburner in terms of resolving my access issue
Feb 14 07:59:21 <VoodooZ_work> There's a Browse CVS link somewhere on that page.
Feb 14 07:59:36 <ByronT> that's the one that dies with a proxy error
Feb 14 07:59:51 <VoodooZ_work> oh. I don't know then.
Feb 14 08:00:22 <ByronT> I'm trying to track down when "map system = yes" was introduced into smb.conf
Feb 14 08:01:30 <VoodooZ_work> no idea.
Feb 14 08:01:43 <VoodooZ_work> I haven't touched smb in quite a while.
Feb 14 08:01:54 <ByronT> it's a bad flag for windows/dos users
Feb 14 08:01:58 <VoodooZ_work> fortunately my robot won't need it :)
Feb 14 08:02:29 <VoodooZ_work> I'm starting to do basic computer vision so it's very interesting. 
Feb 14 08:02:32 <ByronT> 2.12 was ok... 3.17 was affected.. but not sure if 3.16 had it
Feb 14 08:02:37 <VoodooZ_work> We'll see how slow the slug really is.
Feb 14 08:20:49 <VoodooZ_work> that freaking wiki!!! I'm trying to add C code snippets and it won't stop wrapping stuff around. 
Feb 14 08:21:17 <giel> ok, i'm closing in on my [swapper] issue... i'm having a mail conversation with the guy who wrote the initrd stuff
Feb 14 08:21:19 <VoodooZ_work> that useless [= thing doesn't work. What's the way to do this again without having to insert spaces on every single line
Feb 14 08:21:32 <giel> which has to do with this, looking at the kernel source
Feb 14 08:21:39 <VoodooZ_work> cool. Make sure to document it.
Feb 14 08:22:00 <giel> When done
Feb 14 08:22:13 <giel> I'll probably change something to switchbox, I guess
Feb 14 08:23:45 <VoodooZ_work> let us know if you make major changes as I'm using openslug in a special context so I might not need everything you guys need.
Feb 14 08:24:35 <giel> uhu
Feb 14 08:29:09 <ByronT> VoodooZ_work, you can use \\ to force wrap
Feb 14 08:31:53 <VoodooZ_work> But for pasting C code i don't want it to wrap.
Feb 14 08:32:15 <VoodooZ_work> all done. Check it at Openslug/UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenSlug
Feb 14 08:33:09 <ByronT> what's the full URL?
Feb 14 08:33:26 <ByronT> nvm
Feb 14 08:33:49 <giel> thnx!
Feb 14 08:36:07 <VoodooZ_work> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenslug
Feb 14 08:39:03 <ByronT> VoodooZ_work, you want to check now?
Feb 14 08:39:31 <VoodooZ_work> yeah.
Feb 14 08:39:35 <VoodooZ_work> What's different?
Feb 14 08:40:01 <ByronT> meaning why does it not wrap?
Feb 14 08:40:36 <VoodooZ_work> sorry, I'm not following you at all here. I was in the middle of something else and lost my focus
Feb 14 08:40:45 <VoodooZ_work> The wiki page is fine now.
Feb 14 08:40:52 <ByronT> heh...
Feb 14 08:58:55 <VoodooZ_work> lunch time...
Feb 14 09:15:18 <MooZ> bye
Feb 14 10:37:49 <perlguru> I get this bitbaking now: ERROR: The following variable(s) were not set: TARGET_OS
Feb 14 10:38:58 <ByronT> perlguru, check the mailing list, I seem to recall that something was changed
Feb 14 10:39:23 <[g2]> perlguru, you're repo is probably pointing at oe-devl or you have not pulled in a couple days (and you are building OpenSlug)
Feb 14 10:40:48 <perlguru> just pulled. and i am using unslung!
Feb 14 10:41:11 <perlguru> MACHINE       = "nslu2"
Feb 14 10:41:11 <perlguru> DISTRO        = "unslung"
Feb 14 10:41:11 <perlguru> T
Feb 14 10:41:28 <[g2]> TARGET_OS in unslung.conf iirc
Feb 14 10:42:24 <[g2]> hmmm
Feb 14 10:42:42 <[g2]> perlguru, two easy fixes
Feb 14 10:43:34 <[g2]> 1) create a conf/distro under build and copy the unslung.conf there and change the TARGET_OS ?= "linux" or =
Feb 14 10:44:10 <perlguru> (stupid question): why is this not on the wiki page?
Feb 14 10:44:13 <[g2]> bk edit the openembedded/conf/distro/unslung.conf file and change it locally
Feb 14 10:44:30 <perlguru> or the local.conf?
Feb 14 10:44:48 <[g2]> I don't think the local.conf will work anymore
Feb 14 10:45:21 <[g2]> kergoth changed the processing last week / a couple days ago to not default TARGET_ARCH and TARGET_OS
Feb 14 10:45:36 <[g2]> and to print them out as the build process is beginning
Feb 14 10:46:01 <[g2]> this is to help users fix broken builds
Feb 14 10:46:34 <[g2]> I *swear* I checked th other day for unslung.conf and it was fixed
Feb 14 10:46:50 <[g2]> but I though switchbox.conf was broken and it wasn't
Feb 14 10:47:55 <[g2]> perlguru, btw, openssl bulids under OpenSlug and cups almost builds, there are a couple defines that don't seem to be properly handled like
Feb 14 10:48:32 <[g2]> CUPS_SERVERROOT and CUPS_LOCALEDIR, I'm not sure why, but it doens't look that far away
Feb 14 10:48:43 <perlguru> cool
Feb 14 10:48:47 <[g2]> then you could ipkg install both
Feb 14 10:49:10 <perlguru> TARGET_OS ?= "linux" is in my openembedded/conf/distro/unslung.conf
Feb 14 10:49:15 <[g2]> I'm sure there's a little more to it, but that's the advantage of OpenSlug
Feb 14 10:49:31 <perlguru> 1st get bitbake to work again
Feb 14 10:49:43 <[g2]> right, it's the ?= it doesn't like
Feb 14 10:50:40 <[g2]> either bk edit and edit the file and change it to = or copy the file to conf/distro/.... and edit it there and it will be pulled in the BBPATH first
Feb 14 10:51:56 <perlguru> TARGET_OS     = "INVALID"
Feb 14 10:52:19 <perlguru> i have now a 'local' unslung.conf in build/conf
Feb 14 10:52:43 <ByronT> ah! cvs browse just popped
Feb 14 10:55:50 <[cc]smart> perlguru: had the same issue and set TARGET_OS = "linux" in conf/local.conf
Feb 14 10:57:36 <[g2]> ash-2.05b$ bk changes | more
Feb 14 10:57:36 <[g2]> ChangeSet@1.3018.2.176, 2005-02-12 15:51:51+01:00, mickeyl@allanon.vanille.de
Feb 14 10:57:36 <[g2]>   allow local.conf overriding TARGET_FPU and TARGET_OS in distro configurations
Feb 14 10:57:39 <perlguru> THAT worked! thanx [g2] and [cc]smart 
Feb 14 10:58:17 <perlguru> next problem: NOTE: package ipkg-native-0.99.140-r0: task do_compile: failed
Feb 14 10:58:29 <perlguru> | all_read.c:45: error: conflicting types for 'full_read'
Feb 14 10:58:29 <perlguru> | libbb.h:119: error: previous declaration of 'full_read' was here
Feb 14 11:02:51 <[g2]> perlguru, where are you pulling from ?
Feb 14 11:03:54 <perlguru> Parent repository is bk://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/openembedded
Feb 14 11:05:22 * [g2] needs to find out the sync schedule with oe-devel
Feb 14 11:05:44 <[g2]> I thought we pulled hourly, but it might be daily or every couple hours
Feb 14 11:05:57 <perlguru> I get this a few days now
Feb 14 11:05:58 <[cc]smart> aaah, just wanted to pull to but forgot to change user before, so i interrupted pull right after start. now i get: Entire repository is locked by: RESYNC directory.
Feb 14 11:06:16 <[cc]smart> and cannot pull again
Feb 14 11:08:02 <perlguru> i deleted the tmp dir. and trying again
Feb 14 11:11:00 <[cc]smart> bk abort did it
Feb 14 11:17:33 <NSLU2-IRC> hello everybody
Feb 14 12:14:54 <perlguru> mmmm, still getting: | all_read.c:45: error: conflicting types for 'full_read'
Feb 14 12:14:55 <perlguru> | libbb.h:119: error: previous declaration of 'full_read' was here
Feb 14 12:14:55 <perlguru> | make[2]: *** [libbb_la-all_read.lo] Error 1
Feb 14 12:18:44 <[g2]> perlguru, openslug with uclibc built for me
Feb 14 12:25:47 <perlguru> i am building unslung with glibc.
Feb 14 12:28:56 <perlguru> and i deleted the tmp dir before the bitbake
Feb 14 12:29:17 <perlguru> so, it is a clean build
Feb 14 13:31:43 <siddy> [g2], ping
Feb 14 13:31:51 <[g2]> siddy, pong 
Feb 14 13:33:16 <siddy> I think I had a little success with my preemptible kernel. At least openslug doesn't crash anymore on high network/cpu-loads.
Feb 14 13:34:04 <siddy> the only remaining problems seems to be that from time to time the slug hangs for exactly 32 seconds.
Feb 14 13:37:42 <VoodooZ_log> good
Feb 14 13:37:48 <VoodooZ_log> What's the CONFIG_ option for that?
Feb 14 13:37:50 <[g2]> siddy, great!
Feb 14 13:37:59 <[g2]> nod, and you post the config to the wiki ?
Feb 14 13:38:04 <VoodooZ_log> yep
Feb 14 13:38:16 <VoodooZ_log> that would be great.
Feb 14 13:38:21 <[g2]> actually just a diff from our default config would be great
Feb 14 13:38:39 <VoodooZ_log> [g2]: btw, I posted the UseLedAndBuzzerOnOpenslug wiki page you wanted.
Feb 14 13:39:04 <[g2]> VoodooZ_log, thx, I read that earlier
Feb 14 13:39:29 <siddy> oh, the my config-diff would be quite big I guess... I put lots of stuff into the kernel to make openslug boot from my cardreader...
Feb 14 13:39:58 <siddy> but enabling CONFIG_PREEMPT should be all.
Feb 14 13:40:06 <[g2]> VoodooZ_log, I was going to change the default on the Ready/Status to red on loading the driver and green at the end of the sysvinit
Feb 14 13:40:59 <siddy> did anybody ever try kernel-profiling on openslug? I need some way to find that funny 32-second-breaks.
Feb 14 13:41:19 <VoodooZ_log> Sounds like a good idea.
Feb 14 13:41:23 <jacques> siddy, any info on the hangs?
Feb 14 13:41:34 <jacques> does it only happen when doing X ?
Feb 14 13:41:41 <VoodooZ_log> Do you have the CSR stuff loaded? It's slow as hell.
Feb 14 13:41:42 <[g2]> I second jacques question ?
Feb 14 13:42:37 <jacques> CSR 1.5 solves all the world's problems
Feb 14 13:42:46 <siddy> jacques, all I know up to now is that when both network- and cpu-load are high (i.e. when running ctorrent), the network stops working for 32 seconds.
Feb 14 13:42:53 <VoodooZ_log> really? that would be about time!
Feb 14 13:42:55 <jacques> well that's what I'll tell ppl until I trick someone into integrating it to find out
Feb 14 13:43:06 * dyoung-zzzz hides
Feb 14 13:43:13 <jacques> :-D
Feb 14 13:43:18 <VoodooZ_log> hehehe
Feb 14 13:43:47 <[g2]> siddy, SpanKY was having issues under heavy disk I/O load
Feb 14 13:44:41 <siddy> [g2], I see those irq26-errors in syslog under heavy I/O, but they do not correlate with the network-outages.
Feb 14 13:45:13 <[g2]> siddy, did they go away with the preempt patch ?
Feb 14 13:45:19 <siddy> no.
Feb 14 13:45:24 <jacques> SpanKY was having the irq26 thing
Feb 14 13:45:37 <[g2]> jacques, nod, under heavy disk utilization
Feb 14 13:45:39 <noud> did you try some elevator too ? like deadline
Feb 14 13:45:46 <[g2]> (attempting to get gentoo built)
Feb 14 13:45:53 <jacques> noud, how's that configured again?
Feb 14 13:46:20 <siddy> noud, no haven't tried any non-default io-schedulers yet.
Feb 14 13:46:21 <jacques> [g2], I have those irq26 things when compiling on openslug too, but I never really noticed them causing pauses
Feb 14 13:46:25 <[g2]> how's what configured ?  Gentoo is just like a big OE
Feb 14 13:46:41 <jacques> how's elevator configured
Feb 14 13:46:51 <jacques> was directed at noud 
Feb 14 13:46:54 <[g2]> Oops... 
Feb 14 13:46:57 <jacques> :-)
Feb 14 13:47:21 <jacques> I have run gentoo for a couple of years and demo'd it running on my ipaq at LWE/SF2003
Feb 14 13:47:32 <jacques> at the Zynot booth
Feb 14 13:47:39 <jacques> that was a fun show
Feb 14 13:47:51 <[g2]> the end of an era :)
Feb 14 13:48:26 <noud> jacques: i wonder if you can select those schedulers in 1.4.x kernels
Feb 14 13:48:35 <noud> 2.4.x too
Feb 14 13:48:55 <jacques> noud, well we're mostly discussing openslug right now which is 2.6.9
Feb 14 13:49:11 <noud> in 2.6 in menuconfig it is in General setup -> Configure standard kernel features (for small systems)
Feb 14 13:49:11 <[g2]> jacques, you're running the glibc Openslug of recent vintage correct ?
Feb 14 13:49:31 <[g2]> with the trap alignment fixes in it
Feb 14 13:49:32 <jacques> [g2], glibc yes, but my openslug uptime is about 66 days :-)
Feb 14 13:50:14 <[g2]> siddy do you have the trap_alignment fixes ?
Feb 14 13:50:29 <[g2]> jacques, can you cat /proc/cpu/alignment ?
Feb 14 13:50:30 <VoodooZ_log> anybody know where I force a specific version/path of python in bitbake?
Feb 14 13:50:50 <jacques> [g2], what do you want to know from there?
Feb 14 13:51:10 <[g2]> How many errrors are there
Feb 14 13:51:18 <siddy> [g2], yes I'm running a fresh bk-pull
Feb 14 13:51:19 <[g2]> at least 6 halfword
Feb 14 13:51:25 <[g2]> siddy, thx
Feb 14 13:51:29 <jacques> ah OK bear in mind this is with a 66 day uptime compiling tons of stuff natively:
Feb 14 13:51:45 <jacques> User:           12
Feb 14 13:51:45 <jacques> System:         6
Feb 14 13:51:45 <jacques> Skipped:        0
Feb 14 13:51:45 <jacques> Half:           6
Feb 14 13:51:45 <jacques> Word:           4
Feb 14 13:51:46 <jacques> Multi:          0
Feb 14 13:51:48 <jacques> User faults:    2 (fixup)
Feb 14 13:51:52 <jacques>  09:13:48 up 67 days,  6:22, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
Feb 14 13:52:21 <jacques> I only set it to fixup a couple of days ago when I was helping lennert test
Feb 14 13:52:34 <jacques> I meant to change it back to 0
Feb 14 13:52:58 <[g2]> ok, so the faults are isolated to boot up :)
Feb 14 13:54:18 <[g2]> thx
Feb 14 13:54:30 <jacques> np, catting stuff is easy :-)
Feb 14 13:55:07 <VoodooZ_log> later...
Feb 14 14:04:05 <ByronT> .msg NickServ IDENTIFY may1970
Feb 14 14:04:12 <ByronT> ah great
Feb 14 14:04:18 <ByronT> :)
Feb 14 14:07:13 <jacques> d`oh
Feb 14 14:07:20 <ByronT> :)
Feb 14 14:07:31 <ByronT> it's been changed...
Feb 14 14:13:47 <copperbeech> anyone live at the moment?
Feb 14 14:13:58 <ByronT> only slightly
Feb 14 14:14:01 <ByronT> one sec though
Feb 14 14:14:21 <ByronT> ANY LOGGERS PLEASE REMOVE MY .msg line above, Thank You
Feb 14 14:14:55 <copperbeech> I've got a question... I've just changed the port that the web front end it located on...
Feb 14 14:14:58 <ByronT> the period and / are too close to each other when you're touch typing
Feb 14 14:15:17 <copperbeech> and I seem to be locked out... username:admin password:******
Feb 14 14:15:42 <copperbeech> 1) is my memory correct in the username being admin
Feb 14 14:16:00 <ByronT> you mean the linksys web interface?
Feb 14 14:16:14 <copperbeech> 2) how do I change the password? Can I change it by resetting the /etc/passwd for admin?
Feb 14 14:16:21 <copperbeech> yes it's the web interface.
Feb 14 14:16:33 <ByronT> web interface is admin/admin
Feb 14 14:16:48 <ByronT> don't know that I've ever changed it though
Feb 14 14:17:11 <ByronT> and as such, I don't think that it is in the /etc/passwd location
Feb 14 14:18:31 <copperbeech> hmmmm is there any reason it should change when I change the port that the linksys web interface is located?
Feb 14 14:18:56 <copperbeech> *** seems like the default pair works.. thx!!
Feb 14 14:33:56 <giel> there there
Feb 14 14:34:11 <giel> ok, i think i've figured out the hotplug 'bug'
Feb 14 15:27:46 <goodnewscd> is cvs.sf.net working?
Feb 14 15:34:22 <goodnewscd> #asterisk
Feb 14 15:54:29 <[g2]> glikely, welcome to nslu2-linux :)
Feb 14 15:56:55 <[g2]> glikely, it's a great community here
Feb 14 15:57:05 <[g2]> ~nslu2
Feb 14 15:57:07 <jbot> methinks nslu2 is a Linksys network storage device.  It runs linux and features an ixp4xx processor, and is hackable.  See http://www.linksys.com/products/product.asp?grid=35&scid=43&prid=640, http://www.nslu2-linux.org/
Feb 14 15:57:18 <[g2]> ~nslu2-wiki
Feb 14 15:57:19 <jbot> rumour has it, nslu2-wiki is the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/".
Feb 14 16:12:43 <goodnewscd> do not see any update on the sf.net web based cvs repository. 
Feb 14 19:35:27 <CIA-1> 03rpedde * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Update mt-daapd to 0.2.1.1
Feb 14 21:06:36 <CIA-1> 03garpinc * 10unslung/ (sources/xvid/control make/xvid.mk): Xvid libraries
Feb 14 21:39:51 <ka6sox-away> hi jp30 
Feb 14 21:40:11 <jp30> ka6sox-away, hi there...
Feb 14 21:40:21 <ka6sox-away> howse it going?
Feb 14 21:40:56 <jp30> good, i hope i didn't annoy people too much with over hasty commits last night
Feb 14 21:41:55 <jp30> ...still my modified crosstool-native has rebuilt a lot of things for me at least without trouble now
Feb 14 21:42:13 <ka6sox-away> don't think so...we just go slow here when we are making modifications...especially when there might be big ramifications.
Feb 14 21:43:01 <jp30> very sensible... i'm hacking on freetype and fontconfig a bit tonight, trying to get them to build native
Feb 14 21:43:26 <ka6sox-away> things are slow tonight...must be v-day activities.
Feb 14 21:43:52 <jp30> hmm, yes... suppose so...
Feb 14 21:45:30 <ka6sox-away> yeah.
Feb 14 21:46:33 <ka6sox-away> time for me to head out...putting a station off the air :)
Feb 14 21:46:42 * ka6sox-away likes to have the POWER!
Feb 14 21:46:46 <ka6sox-away> he he
Feb 14 22:24:15 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/fontconfig.mk: fontconfig: be sure to get freetype configuration from staging, not from host freetype
Feb 14 22:49:34 <[g2]> Ok so, I need to change the initrd to =0x01040010
Feb 14 22:49:43 <[g2]> for the jffs2 block
Feb 14 23:08:52 <dyoung-zzzz> .. 'cept its not really rd right?
Feb 14 23:32:39 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/xft.mk: xft: find freetype-config in staging, not host path
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