**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 18 23:59:57 2005 Feb 19 00:25:13 ~seen jacques Feb 19 00:25:16 jacques is currently on #intimate #nslu2-linux #oe #elinux #handhelds.org. Has said a total of 15 messages. Is idling for 6h 22m 3s Feb 19 01:36:10 03dyoung 07 * r1.2813 10unslung-4.x/conf/distro/switchbox.conf: Feb 19 01:36:10 Merge bk://nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/unslung-4.x Feb 19 01:36:10 into builder.(none):/home/dereky/bbroot/unslung-4.x Feb 19 01:36:12 03dyoung 07 * r1.2811.1.1 10unslung-4.x/ (2 files in 2 dirs): cleaned out some cruft from linuxrc Feb 19 02:59:08 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2814 10unslung-4.x/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-standard-rootfs_2.3r25.bb: Remove the hard-coded recovery flag I put in for testing. Feb 19 03:40:58 rwhitby-away: I will also set prerm mode to 755 - agree? Feb 19 03:41:44 yep Feb 19 03:58:39 rod, ipkg on debian 3.1 does works. it can package crosstool-native ipk packages correctly. Feb 19 04:00:32 and the resulting package installs cleanly, and rebuilds all our native packages cleanly? Feb 19 04:01:14 (that's the criteria for accepting what seems to be a non-intrusive change) Feb 19 04:01:52 when it does, then check it in and bump the version Feb 19 04:01:59 night all Feb 19 04:10:44 rod,got it. Feb 19 04:11:11 have a good sleep. Feb 19 04:44:35 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/template.mk: Changed permissions on postinst and prerm from 644 to 755 Feb 19 08:33:37 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, ping Feb 19 08:36:12 Morning [g2] Feb 19 08:38:58 <[g2]> Tiersten, good morning ! How our uk segment today ? Feb 19 08:40:40 Not too bad Feb 19 08:46:12 ah... Feb 19 08:46:42 that was great fun - sitting on a tv spinner with my 17 month old son and spinning Feb 19 08:46:54 on a what? Feb 19 08:47:39 we call them "lazy suzans" - they are shelves that turn on bearings around Feb 19 08:48:01 ahh Feb 19 08:48:05 like the toy "Sit and Spin" Feb 19 08:48:11 <[g2]> life's "little" pleasures Feb 19 08:48:27 <[g2]> ByronT, congrats on the little one Feb 19 08:48:48 yeah, the boy was giggling and laughing while trying to walk "drunk" Feb 19 08:49:52 [g2], thanks... it's time like that - that makes the other times worthwhile Feb 19 09:00:55 <[g2]> Being a parent is a lot like being a sw developer -- things often don't go as planned Feb 19 09:01:14 <[g2]> or according to schedule Feb 19 09:01:27 yeah - there was the undersized diaper with oversized payload last night Feb 19 09:01:39 <[g2]> or as Tiersten would say "saiduile" Feb 19 09:01:58 <[g2]> doh that second i shouldn't be there Feb 19 09:02:23 <[g2]> ByronT, I guess he's "growing up" Feb 19 09:03:20 I won't say anything more... but it was baaaad Feb 19 09:03:21 <[g2]> which is better the rhyming of that Feb 19 09:03:23 saiduile? wha? Feb 19 09:03:46 ByronT: Nice... Feb 19 09:03:52 <[g2]> saidule Feb 19 09:03:59 ? Feb 19 09:04:15 sheduel Feb 19 09:04:18 ah Feb 19 09:04:25 <[g2]> yeah that one! Feb 19 09:04:45 <[g2]> not she-dual Feb 19 09:04:52 shed - duel Feb 19 09:04:57 <[g2]> shed-ual Feb 19 09:05:04 <[g2]> or shed-yule Feb 19 09:05:19 <[g2]> probably shed'yule Feb 19 09:05:30 welcome to the "Fun with English" chatroom Feb 19 09:05:55 <[g2]> right, what you're ssshedyule Feb 19 09:06:45 <[g2]> For the life of me I sometimes wonder why we all don't get on some skype or equivalent voice channel Feb 19 09:10:12 Hard to keep logs of that :) Feb 19 09:22:58 <[g2]> Tiersten, not hard, just spacious Feb 19 09:29:05 ByronT: its pronounced Shed-ule Feb 19 09:42:31 ok Feb 19 09:43:02 I used to work on oil rigs...we called them blowouts. Feb 19 09:43:20 re. the diaper situation. Feb 19 09:44:37 let's just say that the boy was taken immediately to bathtub, and the high chair material had to be washed last night Feb 19 09:48:39 been there, done that, got the T-shirt Feb 19 09:49:00 BTDTGATS Feb 19 09:49:54 yep Feb 19 09:50:09 off to mine salt Feb 19 11:37:06 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (make/pango.mk sources/pango/postinst): pango: create pango.modules in postinst Feb 19 12:29:54 pong Feb 19 12:35:50 ping Feb 19 12:37:32 [g2] pinged me a (while ago)... Feb 19 12:40:33 <[g2]> dyoung, the web site was being adjusted Feb 19 12:40:51 <[g2]> when I went back I found what I was looking for Feb 19 13:22:47 ~nslu2-camps Feb 19 13:22:49 somebody said nslu2-camps was 1: want full linksys compatibility (including future releases), can load image through web and telnet in to run ipkg, have no clue about redboot, 2: can telnet into redboot and use linux, 3: power user, but no jtag and no custom redboots, 4: bleeding edge - custom redboots, no need or desire for linksys compatibility Feb 19 13:23:23 ~nslu2-camp5 Feb 19 13:23:25 Complete RedBoot bootloader replacement; starting with APEX Feb 19 14:13:33 ~openslug Feb 19 14:13:34 i heard openslug is is one of three streams of replacement firmware for the NSLU2. It is designed as a complete replacement for the original kernel, root filesystem and applications. It may even replace the RedBoot bootloader (although that is quite risky). The consensus seems to be to use the latest 2.6 kernel, and add Intel drivers for the ethernet interface. Feb 19 14:40:28 i'm tinkering with getting apache to cross-compile. anyone else tried this? Feb 19 14:42:47 samms71 was, but hasn't checked anything in as far as I can see. He was going to write up what he did so that someone else could package it Feb 19 14:44:51 yes, samms71 was going to put something on the wiki, wasn't he? from his description though he was going to build w/o DSO support, which wouldn't be ideal. i thought i'd try to get a fully modular apache Feb 19 14:46:22 also, i'm pretty sure he was doing a native compile Feb 19 14:47:45 afaik, you need to build apr seperately from apache to cross-compile, and samms71 wasn't doing that, if i remember correctly Feb 19 14:47:55 ok, I say go for it :-) Feb 19 14:48:46 well, waiting on some native configure processes to produce a config.cache now... i'll keep you posted... Feb 19 14:49:24 apr? Feb 19 14:52:20 apache portable runtime. it's a portability library that apache depends on. normally you get the sources to it bundled with apache, if you build it that way it doesn't cross-compile so well (won't the --cache-file configure param) Feb 19 14:52:34 sorry that was a bit garbled... Feb 19 14:53:44 apache's configure calls apr's at configure time, but they can't share a config.cache when cross-compiling Feb 19 14:53:52 ...or so it seems... Feb 19 14:58:03 interesting Feb 19 14:58:15 apache is one thing I don't think I've ever built cross Feb 19 14:58:30 I used to build apache all the time for my job but never ran across the apr thing Feb 19 14:58:45 is that an apache2 thing? Feb 19 14:59:23 yes, it's apache 2.0 Feb 19 14:59:33 ah never messed with 2 much Feb 19 14:59:42 since so little I cared about worked with it - mod_perl Feb 19 15:00:00 (worked well enough for production that is) Feb 19 15:01:52 hmm... maybe i should be worried about this. well, i'll see how working I can get it. Feb 19 15:05:56 OK folks, I'm intending to merge the unslung-4.x repo back into the mainstream nslu2-linux openembedded repo. This will mean that there will be no more Unslung 3.x releases and the next few releases would be Unslung 4.x-alpha releases. Feb 19 15:06:09 Does anyone know of any outstanding issue that need to be fixed in 3.18? Feb 19 15:07:05 do we have 3.18 tagged saved someplace? Feb 19 15:07:31 we can do that easily Feb 19 15:07:59 (well, 3.18 plus whatever changes in main repo since then) Feb 19 15:08:06 (which I think is just doco) Feb 19 15:10:53 Just in case. ;-) Feb 19 15:14:44 tagged current state with "Unslung-3.18" Feb 19 15:17:00 03nslu2-linux.adm 07Unslung-3.18 * r1.3022 10openembedded/: Feb 19 15:17:00 Merge bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded Feb 19 15:17:00 into bkbits.net:/repos/n/nslu2-linux/openembedded Feb 19 15:42:19 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2816 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-standard-rootfs_2.3r25.bb: Merged Unslung-4.x into mainstream as Unslung 4.2-alpha Feb 19 15:42:23 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2814 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-standard-rootfs_2.3r25.bb: Remove the hard-coded recovery flag I put in for testing. Feb 19 15:42:30 03dyoung 07 * r1.2813 10openembedded/conf/distro/switchbox.conf: Feb 19 15:42:32 Merge bk://nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/unslung-4.x Feb 19 15:42:34 into builder.(none):/home/dereky/bbroot/unslung-4.x Feb 19 15:42:41 ok, that was the big one. Feb 19 15:42:44 03dyoung 07 * r1.2811.1.1 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): cleaned out some cruft from linuxrc Feb 19 15:42:51 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2808 10openembedded/packages/linux/unslung-standard-kernel_2.3r25.bb: Added the rw flag to the unslung kernel commandline. Feb 19 15:42:54 03dyoung 07 * r1.2805.1.3 10openembedded/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added the stuff to support rw ramdisk and properly pivoting rootfs Feb 19 15:42:57 03dyoung 07 * r1.2805.1.2 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Feb 19 15:42:59 switchbox.conf: Feb 19 15:43:01 fix target_os Feb 19 15:43:03 linuxrc: Feb 19 15:43:05 commented out all panic and real-root-dev bits Feb 19 15:43:07 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2806 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-standard-rootfs_2.3r25.bb: Merge Feb 19 15:43:10 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2802.1.1 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-standard-rootfs_2.3r25.bb: Updated Unslung to 4.1, and converted over to quilt Feb 19 15:43:13 03dyoung 07 * r1.2805 10openembedded/packages/linux/unslung-standard-kernel_2.3r25.bb: Changed the kernel cmdline Feb 19 15:43:16 03dyoung 07 * r1.2804 10openembedded/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Merge Feb 19 15:43:19 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2802 10openembedded/packages/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Merge Feb 19 15:43:23 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2801 10openembedded/packages/busybox/switchbox-1.00/linuxrc: Changed SwitchBox sanity test from -x to -e to allow for OpenSlug's symlinked /sbin/init Feb 19 15:43:26 03dyoung 07 * r1.2800 10openembedded/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Switchbox 4.5 now with proper external disk detection Feb 19 15:43:30 03dyoung 07 * r1.2798 10openembedded/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): switchbox 4.4 Feb 19 15:43:34 03dyoung 07 * r1.2797 10openembedded/packages/busybox/switchbox-1.00/linuxrc: Fixed external disk fallback when disk not present Feb 19 15:43:39 03dyoung 07 * r1.2796 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/linuxrc: preserve initrd for development Feb 19 15:43:46 03dereky 07 * r1.2795 10openembedded/packages/busybox/switchbox-1.00/linuxrc: switchbox typofix Feb 19 15:43:58 03dyoung 07 * r1.2794 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/nslu2-switchbox-firmware.bb: Switchbox 4.3 . Dotted .nfsroot per glc suggestion Feb 19 15:44:15 03dyoung 07 * r1.2793 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/linuxrc: fixed linuxrc... linuxrc != initrd Feb 19 15:44:29 03dyoung 07 * r1.2792 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (19 files in 2 dirs): Unslung 4.0 Feb 19 15:44:43 03dyoung 07 * r1.2791 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/nslu2-switchbox-firmware.bb: change to use switchbox 4.2 Feb 19 15:44:59 03dereky 07 * r1.2788 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-standard-rootfs_2.3r25.bb: Feb 19 15:44:59 Merge bk://nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/openembedded Feb 19 15:44:59 into builder.(none):/home/dereky/bbroot/unslung-4.x Feb 19 15:45:14 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.91 10openembedded/packages/busybox/switchbox-1.00/linuxrc: Switchbox 4.2 with fewer typos Feb 19 15:45:31 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.90 10openembedded/packages/busybox/ (switchbox-1.00/linuxrc switchbox_1.00.bb): Switchbox 4.2 Feb 19 15:45:48 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.89 10openembedded/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): 4.x prelim, internal use only Feb 19 15:46:03 03dereky 07 * r1.2667.1.88 10openembedded/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Working preliminary version Feb 19 15:46:23 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.87 10openembedded/packages/busybox/ (switchbox-1.00/linuxrc switchbox_1.00.bb): First run NFS stuff Feb 19 15:46:43 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.86 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/nslu2-switchbox-firmware.bb: change to switchbox 4.1 Feb 19 15:47:01 03dereky 07 * r1.2667.1.85 10openembedded/packages/busybox/switchbox-1.00/defconfig: Added cut to switchbox Feb 19 15:47:15 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.84 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/nslu2-switchbox-firmware.bb: adjusted switchbox source version Feb 19 15:47:32 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.83 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-standard-rootfs_2.3r25.bb: Added creation of /oldroot for pivoting so we dont clobber tmpmnt Feb 19 15:47:38 dyoung's CIA average is going to go sky high from this .... Feb 19 15:47:47 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2667.1.82 10openembedded/packages/portmap/portmap-unslung_5-7.bb: Removed initscript stuff from portmap-unslung Feb 19 15:47:53 03dyoung 07 * r1.2667.1.80 10openembedded/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): preparation for nfs root Feb 19 15:48:01 03dereky 07 * r1.2667.46.1 10openembedded/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Changed some linuxrc bits around Feb 19 15:51:59 is that it, CIA? Feb 19 15:52:28 ok, we're looking for alpha testers for Unslung 4.2-alpha, in the normal nslu2-linux repo (not the unslung-4.x repo) now. Feb 19 15:53:08 it should be the same functionality as 3.18, apart from additional switchbox options (which need to be fully tested) Feb 19 15:53:32 dyoung and glc will need to tell us how to work the external disk and nfs root stuff Feb 19 16:05:06 irc://irc.se.linux.org/selinux Feb 19 16:32:13 hey Feb 19 16:33:15 I'm going to try to build Unslung 4.2-alpha Feb 19 16:35:26 hey people Feb 19 16:35:38 hello Feb 19 16:35:52 ive got a prob for you guys to help me with Feb 19 16:36:07 im trying to telnet the box and... Feb 19 16:36:19 ive changed the passwd file and everything so i can logion as root Feb 19 16:36:39 but when I try and logon as root Feb 19 16:36:54 it says 'No directory, loggin in with HOME=/' Feb 19 16:37:10 then disconnects Feb 19 16:37:12 any ideas? Feb 19 16:38:05 You using Unslung or you just using the stock firmware? Feb 19 16:38:20 unslung Feb 19 16:38:23 latest Feb 19 16:39:07 ~nslu2-general Feb 19 16:39:09 #nslu2-general is the IRC channel specifically set up for end-user questions about the NSLU2 device. Questions that are not related to the nslu2-linux development projects should not be asked in #nslu2-linux, but should be asked in #nslu2-general instead. Feb 19 16:39:28 see you there gorx Feb 19 16:39:36 rgr Feb 19 16:40:44 ~nslu2-general Feb 19 16:40:45 #nslu2-general is the IRC channel specifically set up for end-user questions about the NSLU2 device. Questions that are not related to the nslu2-linux development projects should not be asked in #nslu2-linux, but should be asked in #nslu2-general instead. Feb 19 16:40:59 how do i connect to it? Feb 19 16:41:19 ah - you're going through the java interface? Feb 19 16:41:27 do you have an IRC client available? Feb 19 16:41:27 yes Feb 19 16:41:29 Type "/join #nslu2-general" without the quotes Feb 19 16:41:31 no Feb 19 16:41:47 ta Feb 19 17:57:17 help: I've fallen and can't get up: I deleted libgcc_s.so.1 and can't find a package containing it anyplace.... Feb 19 20:07:31 hurrah! I've convinced apache to cross-compile. onward to php Feb 19 20:09:31 jp30, .mk? :-) Feb 19 20:11:52 i want to check that i've done it such a way that external modules like php can be built, too... and i haven't actually tried installing it on a slug yet. Feb 19 20:12:06 ...but if all that works, .mk to follow Feb 19 20:12:41 ...getting apxs to work from the staging directory may be tricky Feb 19 20:15:04 yeah that stuff is tricky Feb 19 20:19:00 jp30: good stuff! Feb 19 20:19:01 did you look at how oe cross-builds apache ? Feb 19 20:19:29 don't be afraid to check in the .mk file early, so others can look at it and help you debug anything ... Feb 19 20:19:42 it doesn't get used until it goes into the top-level Makefile Feb 19 20:20:15 <[g2]> jp30, which apache and which php ? Feb 19 20:20:40 apache 2.0.53, php 4.3.10 Feb 19 20:21:19 <[g2]> php 4.3.6 builds in OE Feb 19 20:21:31 <[g2]> and apache almost builds ... checking version Feb 19 20:22:15 i guess i'll look at oe if I get stuck... i've done that for the x11 stuff in the past Feb 19 20:22:45 heh Feb 19 20:22:46 <[g2]> apache is 2.0.48 Feb 19 20:23:12 i didn't want to commit early as i'm not sure i want to be responsible for getting it working (if it turns out to be harder than i think) Feb 19 20:23:15 <[g2]> I'd be really nice to have a working apache with php in OE Feb 19 20:23:32 i should learn to drive bitbake someday Feb 19 20:24:32 of course oe is the right way to go, but i found it very poorly documented (in comparison to unslung, with its useful wiki) Feb 19 20:24:41 <[g2]> Creating configure ... Feb 19 20:24:41 <[g2]> cp: cannot stat `/build/find_apu.m4': No such file or directory Feb 19 20:24:47 <[g2]> that's where apache dies Feb 19 20:25:28 hmm... yeah, i've fixed that problem. i'm not sure how oe does things, but i started by building apr and apu outside the apache tree... Feb 19 20:27:09 apache's configure script and makefiles are really not well suited to cross-compilation Feb 19 20:27:53 in this day and age, I see that as a major black mark Feb 19 20:28:17 perl still wins the prize tho Feb 19 20:29:34 * [g2] wonders if I could setup a qemu rootfs and build native in there, just emulated Feb 19 20:30:14 huh? Feb 19 20:30:38 <[g2]> qemu runs arm app programs Feb 19 20:31:05 hmm Feb 19 20:31:24 * jacques wonders if it's beyond the "almost runs bash" stage. Feb 19 20:31:55 <[g2]> I'll try running gcc next week if I can Feb 19 20:32:33 [g2], what have you run in there so far? bash? Feb 19 20:32:34 <[g2]> I mean this is all vanilla app stuff Feb 19 20:32:51 <[g2]> I haven't run anything in there yet Feb 19 20:32:52 <[g2]> :) Feb 19 20:32:56 <[g2]> arm wise Feb 19 20:33:37 I would LOVE for qemu to be working better for arm. I just don't see any progress tho so I am rather disenchanted. Feb 19 20:34:04 <[g2]> they've got user emulation for ARM Green Feb 19 20:35:05 they have? I thought I just looked this morning and it was still orange Feb 19 20:35:23 ah OK Feb 19 20:35:41 I was looking at the host table Feb 19 20:38:01 [g2], but anyway, I am interested in system level emulation Feb 19 20:38:18 tho user level could be very useful - maybe I'll check it out Feb 19 20:38:24 <[g2]> jacques, well that would solve all the thorny cross-build issues Feb 19 20:39:06 <[g2]> have OE build a rootfs with source and patches in it, then just in and build-away Feb 19 20:39:51 could rock Feb 19 20:40:05 neat I think I just beat usbutils into submission Feb 19 20:40:14 <[g2]> cool Feb 19 20:40:27 <[g2]> I'm gonna ask in the OE channel Feb 19 20:40:33 I like Noodles. Feb 19 20:40:45 me too Feb 19 20:41:30 no noodles until openslug 1.x is released Feb 19 20:41:54 Joe went to the grocery and bought some noodles. They were tastier than the waffles. Feb 19 20:41:59 ;-) Feb 19 20:42:43 i like noodles with soy sauce Feb 19 20:42:49 and butter Feb 19 20:43:01 oop, I got that wrong. The Noodles were more fun than the waffles, ;-) Feb 19 20:43:07 which reminds me - time to start marinating the catfish Feb 19 20:43:14 Mmm Catfish.... Feb 19 20:43:19 I like Butter too. Feb 19 20:43:49 (if nothing I said about waffles makes any sense, check out the wiki sandbox) Feb 19 20:49:42 <[g2]> jacques, how far is xscale from a full arm7 ? Feb 19 20:49:53 <[g2]> qemu handles the full arm7 Feb 19 20:51:16 <[g2]> nite all **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 19 21:11:20 2005 Feb 19 21:49:24 Hi everyone, having some trouble with ipkg. Anyone have a moment to help? Feb 19 21:54:40 03djf * 10unslung/sources/usbutils/ (control lsusb-endian.patch ltconfig.patch): initial checkin Feb 19 21:55:25 03djf * 10unslung/make/usbutils.mk: initial checkin - builds and packages native, cross unknown Feb 19 21:59:02 Well, I should get some sleep. Will post the question to the yahoo group. Thanks anyway. Feb 19 22:20:04 hello Feb 19 22:20:16 anyone here ? Feb 19 22:29:17 hi, vls Feb 19 22:55:26 sorry my other system froze before Feb 19 22:55:35 not sure if some one responded if anyone is here Feb 19 22:55:44 hi, v1s, i'm here Feb 19 22:55:47 So I will shot for what I am going to ask. Feb 19 22:55:51 hi jp30 Feb 19 22:56:00 go ahead... Feb 19 22:56:11 I have a usb hd box that holds 4 drives in it Feb 19 22:56:19 2 of the drives per usb port Feb 19 22:56:38 so I want to raid them Feb 19 22:57:00 I was reading the raid how to on the site Feb 19 22:57:38 ...i'm no expert on this, sorry... unless you want generic linux raid advice Feb 19 22:58:03 might help :) Feb 19 22:58:43 acthully I am trying to dl the mdadm pack Feb 19 22:58:52 well, what was the problem the wiki information couldn't solve? Feb 19 23:44:28 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (4 files in 3 dirs): initial checkin: apr and apr-util **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 19 23:59:56 2005