**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 04 23:59:56 2005 Mar 05 00:07:58 hm... my famous openslug-torrent-stability-test runs stable on 2.6.11 for 22.5 hours. Mar 05 00:08:32 at least that's new record, but I don't dare to consider this thing stable yet... ;) Mar 05 00:12:18 How long did 2.6.9 last? Mar 05 00:12:38 only a couple of hours, max ~10 Mar 05 00:12:46 Nice. Mar 05 00:13:10 So should I stop being cranky about wasting time with 2.6.11 since it didnt fix the EHCI bug? Mar 05 00:13:44 yeah, it seems to be a great improvement in stability, so it was definitely worth the work! Mar 05 00:14:59 Okay I'm glad it was worth it for someone. ;-) Mar 05 00:15:10 hehe Mar 05 00:15:16 ~praise dyoung Mar 05 00:15:18 All hail dyoung! Mar 05 00:16:27 I was thinking that the net gain was nothing except a bigger kernel. heh. Mar 05 00:42:06 what was falling over on 2.6.9 which isn't falling over on 2.6.11 ? Mar 05 00:43:48 Regarding Siddy's success rate? Mar 05 00:43:50 Not sure. Mar 05 00:44:20 yeah, I'd like to know what it is that was fixed ... Mar 05 00:44:31 ps -ef Mar 05 00:44:33 oops Mar 05 00:44:46 1 swapper Mar 05 00:44:48 ;-) Mar 05 01:17:08 rwhitby-away, on 2.6.9 I saw a kernel-oops after running a bittorrent for some hours. Mar 05 01:17:34 I just knew it was somewhere in the cpu-scheduler, the rest of the stack was always terribly smashed. Mar 05 01:17:38 any indication where it was oopsing? Mar 05 01:17:45 oh, ok Mar 05 01:27:17 s/after running/each time a ran/ Mar 05 01:27:21 just to clarify... ;) Mar 05 01:28:35 ok, so it's not likely to be anything to do with ehci then Mar 05 01:29:26 no, I don't think so. must have been something else, but I don't find anything in the changelogs that might fit. *shrug* Mar 05 01:45:30 Fixed my mgetty problem. AUTO_PPP was not being defined in the compile. Mar 05 01:45:48 (even though there was a specific patch intended to do just that) Mar 05 01:46:12 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2967.1.1 10openembedded/packages/ (meta/openslug-packages.bb mgetty/mgetty_1.1.30.bb): Fixed a bug in the compile of mgetty which meant that AUTO_PPP and FIDO were not being defined as intended by the 37-Makefile patch (CFLAGS was being overriden by oemake). Mar 05 01:47:44 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2973 10openembedded/packages/mgetty/mgetty_1.1.30.bb: Fixed the PR bump on mgetty Mar 05 02:41:05 hy Mar 05 03:33:48 ~emulate ksilebo Mar 05 03:52:03 'night Mar 05 03:52:19 nite MooZ Mar 05 04:20:41 Hmmmm Mar 05 04:20:58 Anyone else have problem with the nslu2 stop responding every once in a while? Mar 05 04:24:02 and coming back after ~30 seconds? Mar 05 04:30:26 siddy-away: jepp Mar 05 04:31:20 might be upnp, or search for stabilizeethernet on the wiki Mar 05 04:32:48 morning Mar 05 04:34:17 hey, perlguru ! Mar 05 04:34:33 how is the new kernel doing? Mar 05 04:34:42 happy yet? Mar 05 04:34:46 perfect up to now! Mar 05 04:35:05 no crashes during 27 hours of torrent-seeding! :) Mar 05 04:35:10 cool Mar 05 04:35:25 using ctorrent? Mar 05 04:35:29 yep Mar 05 04:35:40 nice to know. Mar 05 04:36:01 i am trying to setup a OE environment on my laptop Mar 05 04:36:02 siddy-away: But i dont running openslug and i dont have an environment for patching Mar 05 04:36:47 lalle, it's the same for unslung. you'll need to recompile that module if you want it to be stable, no other way atm. Mar 05 04:37:24 siddy-away: You dont have a patched ixp400.o? Mar 05 04:37:52 it wouldn't be of much use for you, I'm on openslug. Mar 05 04:37:58 hmmm Mar 05 04:38:02 Anyone else? Mar 05 04:39:36 I think that fix hasn't made it to the unslung-community yet, probably those guys like instable networks... ;p Mar 05 04:40:39 is this issue know in slugbug? Mar 05 04:40:46 dunno Mar 05 04:40:54 please check Mar 05 04:42:11 hé, i joined :) Mar 05 04:42:26 it's my slug :) Mar 05 04:44:06 :) Mar 05 04:48:27 Hmmmm Mar 05 04:49:59 siddy-away, or lalle please a slugbug on this issue and make it a high priority Mar 05 04:50:06 siddy-away: Hmmm, is the bug in openslug to? Mar 05 04:50:40 perlguru, I can't do that atm. Mar 05 04:50:46 im adding it Mar 05 04:50:54 lalle, yes it's also in the default-openslug. Mar 05 04:51:31 perlguru: can't be easily fixed in unslung, cause we use the linksys binary module (not the one built in oe), This is due to intel licensing issues (the same ones which are holding up the openslug binary release). Mar 05 04:52:22 rwhitby-away, the ethernet-module (which is the one that needs a patch) is actually GPL. Mar 05 04:52:28 bummer. still it good to track this issue in slugbug (for when we solve the lic. issue) Mar 05 04:52:36 otherwise i wouldn't have published a patch for it... ;) Mar 05 04:53:37 siddy-away: you're right. but it's a can of worms we're not opening until we get clarification on the licensing Mar 05 04:55:33 http://slugbug.nslu2-linux.org/bug.php?op=show&bugid=112&pos=21 Mar 05 04:55:47 rwhitby-away, yep, you're right, let's better not give Intel's lawyers a reason to become angry... ;) Mar 05 04:58:18 And there it died again Mar 05 05:16:01 hi Mar 05 05:16:09 ehlo Mar 05 05:16:25 i have some problems with openslug and kernel 2.6.11 Mar 05 05:16:56 which ones? Mar 05 05:17:15 i try to follow the slugturnup manual, bit when i type "touch /.sda1root -> no space left on device Mar 05 05:17:44 ah, cool! Mar 05 05:17:52 what does df say? Mar 05 05:18:02 and my ethernet interface doesn't come up at boot time. i must "ifconfig eth0 ip" via serial line Mar 05 05:18:26 "/dev/mtdblock4 955 395 560 41% /initrd Mar 05 05:18:26 /dev/mtdblock4 6400 6264 136 98% / Mar 05 05:18:26 tmpfs 15188 20 15168 0% /var Mar 05 05:18:26 tmpfs 15188 0 15188 0% /media/ram Mar 05 05:18:26 /dev/sda1 153660192 23011800 129087276 15% /media/card Mar 05 05:18:27 " Mar 05 05:18:53 hm, /dev/mtdblock is almost full, which is not good. Mar 05 05:19:12 I guess, openslug failed to create the module-dependencies due to lack of space Mar 05 05:19:17 so the thernet didn't load. Mar 05 05:19:30 s/ther/ether Mar 05 05:20:13 you'll probably have to edit openslug-image.bb and remove some of the to be installed packages Mar 05 05:20:31 ok, thx, i'll try Mar 05 05:21:08 some useless stuff like kernel-module-{nfs,sunrpc,lockd} is probably a good choice. Mar 05 05:23:04 do i have to delete tmp files before i build a new image? Mar 05 05:23:22 not all of them. Mar 05 05:23:31 just remove the stampd of openslug-image Mar 05 05:23:46 and perhaps tmp/rootfs Mar 05 05:23:55 s/stampd/stamps Mar 05 05:24:59 hello, i've built a 2.6.11 kernel with openembedded & bitbake but RedBoot doesn't accept it Mar 05 05:25:59 i used 'load zImage-openslug' but it says 'Unrecognized image type: 0xe1a00000' Mar 05 05:26:17 my 2.6.11 image boots Mar 05 05:26:30 i uploaded it vi upslug Mar 05 05:26:37 ..via.. Mar 05 05:27:03 snotling, you'll have to flash the whole image, not only the kernel. Mar 05 05:27:43 the kernel needs some strange header to be accepted by redboot, perhaps you could add it manually, but dunno. ;) Mar 05 05:27:48 can't just load the kernel to RAM to test if it works? Mar 05 05:27:59 i read in the irc logs, that someone needs a serial line for a nslu2, is this problem solved? Mar 05 05:29:02 snotling, there is some wiki-page that explains how to do that, but it never worked for me. :-\ Mar 05 05:30:26 siddy-away: thanks, i'll have a look Mar 05 05:34:15 i think i found the problem, i had to load the kernel as raw (with -r) Mar 05 05:34:49 is there a way to see the kernel boot without a serial line ? Mar 05 05:34:59 next try : modprobe: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.11/modules.dep: No such file or Mar 05 05:35:08 I'm running unslung 3 and would like to replace and release the ramfs on /var and /tmp with links to /opt/var and /opt/tmp if a disk with these directories are present on boot. How is this done most easily? Anyone forsee problems with that? Mar 05 05:37:41 by the way, is it possible to change the default 192.168.0.1 IP address that RedBoot takes ? Mar 05 05:37:55 it conflicts with my router Mar 05 05:42:20 Is the network driver the original from linksys? Mar 05 05:42:34 or is it patched / modified for nslu2? Mar 05 05:42:40 -linux Mar 05 05:42:41 =) Mar 05 05:42:43 lalle: On unslung? Mar 05 05:42:45 the new image works (without kernel-module-{nfs,sunrpc,lockd}) :-) Mar 05 05:46:46 lalle: On Unslung it is the original, on OpenSlug it is patched. Mar 05 06:09:43 As a typical Norwegian, I suggest another rule to the list on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/HomePage: "0. Before asking questions, search the wiki to see if has already been answered" Mar 05 06:17:34 <[cc]smart> [g2]: Hi Mar 05 06:17:50 hi Mar 05 06:17:54 <[cc]smart> AFAIK sysconfsetup is under your command ? Mar 05 06:18:28 <[g2]> [cc]smart, Hey! Mar 05 06:18:33 <[cc]smart> if so, i'd ike a change applied like this, if possible and sensible : strings /etc/linksysconf | grep ^gateway=. Mar 05 06:18:42 <[cc]smart> :) Mar 05 06:18:44 <[cc]smart> the old one ) Mar 05 06:18:47 <[g2]> snotling, did you see the wiki about getting to Redboot ? Mar 05 06:19:16 <[g2]> [cc]smart, I've got write access :) Mar 05 06:19:30 <[cc]smart> then, would be nice to have that Mar 05 06:19:31 <[cc]smart> : Mar 05 06:20:13 <[g2]> [cc]smart, what change are you suggesting ? Mar 05 06:24:13 <[g2]> [cc]smart, OK I'm waking up now. Mar 05 06:25:32 <[g2]> So basically if ^gateway=(anything till eol) is there it gets printed, otherwise nothing, things *really* lazy guys like us on a point-to-point don't need to define the gateway Mar 05 06:30:38 <[g2]> siddy-away, what changes other than the ixp4xx stabilization are you using ? Mar 05 06:40:37 [g2], changes to the whole openslug? well, there are some : Mar 05 06:41:06 I'm running a 2.6.11 with custom config and some alignment-fix-patches Mar 05 06:41:40 I've modified switchbox to mount the ext3-root on my hdd as ext2 (due to missing ext3 in the kernel) Mar 05 06:42:06 and I modified switchbox to boot from sde1. Mar 05 06:42:12 that's about all I think. Mar 05 06:42:26 <[g2]> Ok so what's the alignment-fix ? Mar 05 06:42:44 <[g2]> the old alignment-fix was fixed in the base 11 release Mar 05 06:42:53 <[g2]> is there something else ? Mar 05 06:43:21 Oh, there's some alignment-problem in the tcp-part of the kernel, that made communication with my router impossible. Mar 05 06:44:00 I'm testing that patch on 3 systems atm before I will send it upstream in some weeks. Mar 05 06:44:31 <[g2]> is this a V6 issue ? Mar 05 06:44:51 well, err... tcp, so it doesn't really matter. Mar 05 06:45:13 but the problem showed up via v4 in my specific case. Mar 05 06:45:44 <[g2]> Umm... Do you think your fellow openslugger's would want to be aware or need this ? Mar 05 06:47:07 Well, it's only needed if you have a broken alignment-handler (as in my early openslug-phase) and a fcked up network-component, that's unable to properly align tcp-headers. Mar 05 06:48:19 <[g2]> Ok so we don't need this, but the 2706 alignment errors are probably caused by it and I'd like to not have to debug and hunt that down :) Mar 05 06:49:19 2706? do you see those with 2.6.11? Mar 05 06:50:06 <[g2]> Hmmmm Mar 05 06:51:23 <[g2]> HEH.... I've got stock linksys reloaded for the flash..... NO WONDER it looks different :) Mar 05 06:51:49 <[g2]> Yeah I think so. I was going to verify and will on the next flash Mar 05 06:52:04 I have _very_ much alignment-errors when using ipv6 (atm 162508 (growing)), I will hunt those down in some days/weeks, so I might also find your 2706. Mar 05 06:52:38 <[g2]> But I'm changing it to add the fix [cc]smart suggested and I was going to make Interrupt driver ixp standard Mar 05 06:53:00 <[g2]> are your errors system or user-land Mar 05 06:53:05 <[g2]> I'd guess user land Mar 05 06:53:12 no, system Mar 05 06:53:48 <[g2]> Are you using a usb-ethernet adapter ? Mar 05 06:53:51 I had already started to set up a debugging-mechanism for those in 2.6.9, I'll port it to 2.6.11 someday and start fixing them. Mar 05 06:54:02 no, they are caused by IPv6, that's for sure! Mar 05 06:54:32 like: you answer in here, I get 1 alignment-error ;) Mar 05 06:54:33 <[g2]> Ok.. I'd like to find the first 2706 errors Mar 05 06:55:23 <[g2]> and get that alignment error again and again.... :) Mar 05 06:55:33 yep... Mar 05 06:55:48 I'm at 163466 now... ;) Mar 05 06:55:59 <[g2]> is a performance sap Mar 05 06:56:58 yeah, I don't really notice it, but the thought of 163466 alignment-trap is frightening... Mar 05 07:25:10 I get very strange timing results from the flash, so I must be doing something wrong. Hard disk is about 8 times faster on read according to my timings. Mar 05 07:25:25 (making sure that nothing is in the cache) Mar 05 07:26:25 Anybody looked into flash read speed? Mar 05 07:27:59 Could be a driver thing. I copy the whole rootfs block to /dev/null and it takes more than 6 secs. A file of similar size on HD takes 0.8 secs Mar 05 07:29:21 (all timings on Unslung 3.18) Mar 05 07:40:26 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, Ping Mar 05 07:53:47 is it normal that my hdd is not mounted as root if i use the 2.6.11 image? Mar 05 07:54:15 <[g2]> chrta, I'm looking at it right now. Mar 05 07:54:25 great Mar 05 07:54:35 <[g2]> the ext3 modules didn't get build with a change that rwhitby made Mar 05 07:54:55 i read in the logs that someone needs a serial modded nslu2? Mar 05 07:55:10 <[g2]> for now add OPENSLUG_EXTRA_RDEPENDS += "kernel-module-ext3 kernel-module-jbd " Mar 05 07:55:15 <[g2]> to your local.conf Mar 05 07:55:27 i added it at openslug.conf Mar 05 07:55:40 <[g2]> that'll work too Mar 05 07:55:48 <[g2]> you see the comment in there about the 2.6.11 ? Mar 05 07:56:03 yes, add this if u use .11 Mar 05 07:56:19 <[g2]> Ok so you've got the work-around Mar 05 07:56:36 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, Ping Mar 05 07:56:40 but it does not mount at boottime Mar 05 07:57:25 <[g2]> I think you can add ext3 to be automatically loaded Mar 05 07:57:52 <[g2]> or when a mount -t ext3 occurs it automatically loads the module Mar 05 07:58:03 <[g2]> are you booting to the hd ? Mar 05 07:58:34 <[g2]> we should probably change switchbox to load the ext3 driver if it's there Mar 05 07:58:43 yes, the bootmsg is: cannot find valid ?? at /dev/sda1, using ?? as root Mar 05 07:59:15 where can i find instructions to do this? i don't know switchbox Mar 05 07:59:41 Cant find valid rootfs on /dev/sda1, using jffs2 ... Mar 05 07:59:41 this is the message Mar 05 08:00:06 <[g2]> right that's the switchbox shell fallback Mar 05 08:00:28 <[g2]> it expects the driver to already be loaded Mar 05 08:00:38 <[g2]> because with 2.6.9 they were build into the kernel Mar 05 08:00:45 -> i need something like the initrd on my host Mar 05 08:01:21 <[g2]> chrta do you need 2.6.11 right this moment ? Mar 05 08:01:34 <[g2]> 2.6.9 should work for you Mar 05 08:01:42 <[g2]> on the boot anyway :) Mar 05 08:01:55 but i get kernelpanic in 2.6.9 using samba Mar 05 08:02:12 <[g2]> and the panic goes away in 2.6.11 ? Mar 05 08:02:12 i want to test 2.6.11 if it is fixed Mar 05 08:02:32 i don't know. i need my hdd as root to install samba Mar 05 08:03:02 <[g2]> you can load the ext3 driver from the shell, mount the hd and just chroot into it Mar 05 08:03:07 if i copy many files i only get the "nobody cares" error, but no lockup Mar 05 08:03:43 chroot /dev/sda1 , thats all? Mar 05 08:04:06 <[g2]> modprobe ext3 Mar 05 08:04:18 <[g2]> mount -t ext3 /dev/sda1 /media/hdd Mar 05 08:04:29 <[g2]> chroot /media/hdd /bin/sh Mar 05 08:04:34 thx Mar 05 08:04:36 <[g2]> that's should do it Mar 05 08:05:05 <[g2]> sorry about the confusion with ext3 modules Mar 05 08:05:10 <[g2]> and 2.6.11 Mar 05 08:05:23 [g2]: pong Mar 05 08:05:40 <[g2]> rwhitby, Morning sunshine Mar 05 08:05:45 g'day Mar 05 08:05:49 no problem, u didn't force me to use openslug ;-) Mar 05 08:06:04 just back from rewiring slug central Mar 05 08:06:24 and testing to see if unslung is any better at things behind hubs. Mar 05 08:06:24 <[g2]> rwhitby there's got tobe someway so conditionally add the 2.6.11 drivers in openslug.conf Mar 05 08:06:43 <[g2]> s/so/to/ Mar 05 08:07:09 OPENSLUG_EXTRA_* += in your local.conf, next to where you set PREFERRED_VERSION for the kernel Mar 05 08:07:53 <[g2]> no I mean in the openslug.conf file Mar 05 08:08:35 <[g2]> I'd like to insulate the user from all the specifics except the PREFERRED_VERSION for the kernel Mar 05 08:09:15 what are the modules in question? maybe we can just make them modules in 2.6.9 too ? Mar 05 08:09:30 <[g2]> The ones you commented out :) Mar 05 08:09:36 I'm sure you can do what you want in bitbake/oe, but it would probably need custom python. Mar 05 08:09:46 So just ext3 and jbd? Mar 05 08:09:49 <[g2]> yes Mar 05 08:10:31 <[g2]> And we should probably modify switchbox to look for the modules on the drive before mounting -t ext3 Mar 05 08:10:41 the only problem is that switchbox expects ext3 to be compiled in, so if you make them modules then you will break switchbox Mar 05 08:11:02 Recovery mode .... Mar 05 08:11:16 .... must assume jffs2 is hosed .... Mar 05 08:11:29 <[g2]> fine mount ext2 for recovery mode Mar 05 08:11:36 <[g2]> its recovery mode right ? Mar 05 08:11:45 <[g2]> you can even mount it RO Mar 05 08:11:49 why not just mount ext2 for everything in switchbox? Mar 05 08:12:40 <[g2]> I think it's nice to mount the hd with ext3 and not make the users remount with ext3 Mar 05 08:12:55 <[g2]> it's nice if it can be supported the way that it is Mar 05 08:13:11 patches welcome :-) Mar 05 08:13:14 <[g2]> Our real issue is the kernel size and Redboot Mar 05 08:13:48 there must be lots of other dross in the kernel that we don't need which can go to make space for the things which we do need (like usb, ext3, etc) Mar 05 08:13:56 i cannot install samba after chroot :-( no space left on device at /etc Mar 05 08:14:25 [g2]: *that*'s what we should be focusing on, rather than making ext3 a module (when it is used every time someone boots the box) Mar 05 08:15:34 <[g2]> rwhitby, good point about the ext3 module / no module Mar 05 08:15:59 <[g2]> however, a big base is on 2.6.11 Mar 05 08:16:01 giel made a list of things which could be removed/made modules. We should act on that Mar 05 08:16:19 <[g2]> I may just move the baseline to 2.6.11 Mar 05 08:16:29 <[g2]> because that's what ppl are using Mar 05 08:16:43 fine, but make sure you don't break things when doing it. making ext3 a module breaks switchbox Mar 05 08:17:52 so we're gonna delay a beta release indefinitely then? cause that's what moving the baseline just before a beta release is ready to go out will do .... Mar 05 08:18:29 <[g2]> rwhitby, there are 2 issues for beta Mar 05 08:18:45 <[g2]> 1/ Intel IP and redistribution which is under investigation Mar 05 08:18:49 yep Mar 05 08:18:56 <[g2]> 2/ the EHCI issue underload Mar 05 08:19:09 yep, which is not solved by 2.6.11 Mar 05 08:19:21 <[g2]> I didn't say it was Mar 05 08:19:37 <[g2]> However I only testing on 2.6.11 so it'll be fixed there first Mar 05 08:19:54 <[g2]> I'm not aware of any one else looking into it Mar 05 08:20:22 <[g2]> In the meantime 2.6.11 is getting air time from me and several others Mar 05 08:21:06 as I said, I want us to be testing 2.6.11 too. but if the licensing is solved tomorrow, what are you going to do about a beta release? Mar 05 08:21:07 <[g2]> so I think 2.6.11 will be adequately tested Mar 05 08:21:40 <[g2]> IMHO I'd hold up the beta for the EHCI fix Mar 05 08:21:56 ok, so add to the punchlist making switchbox and other things work with ext3 as a module. Mar 05 08:22:33 <[g2]> We could also just boot directly to jffs2 Mar 05 08:22:41 <[g2]> until we fix switchbox Mar 05 08:22:44 I really don't care whether we decide on 2.6.9 or 2.6.11. What I do care about is that the effect of that decision is flowed through to *all* affected items. Mar 05 08:23:05 At the moment we seem to be in limbo between 2.6.9 and 2.6.11 Mar 05 08:23:28 <[g2]> I'm working on 2.6.11 I've to 2 changes I'm about to check in Mar 05 08:23:48 <[g2]> I've changed the ixp driver to be interrupt driven Mar 05 08:24:09 We shouldn't change a baseline until we have identified *all* the things which need to be changed to effect that baseline update. That's why I put things back at 2.6.9, cause the analysis of a move to 2.6.11 (esp the ext3 module) had not been done. Mar 05 08:24:12 <[g2]> and I've put the suggestion [cc]smart had about booting without the gateway defined in Mar 05 08:24:24 both excellent fixes Mar 05 08:24:44 <[g2]> right and I'm cleaning up from your changes Mar 05 08:24:56 Now my statement about baselines is only relevant if we are intending to release a beta. Mar 05 08:25:11 If we are intending to remain as alpha, then we can change what we want, when we want. Mar 05 08:26:04 <[g2]> I'm intending to make it work as best I can Mar 05 08:26:17 Anyway, I need to sleep. I'll support whatever decision you make. Mar 05 08:26:28 <[g2]> sweet dreams Mar 05 08:26:35 <[g2]> for now I'll leave it as is Mar 05 08:27:07 <[g2]> THX for your help Mar 05 08:27:09 I strongly suggest looking at giel's kernel list, and using that to give us ext3 back compiled in, and some free space as well. Mar 05 08:27:27 then we can smoothly transition to 2.6.11 Mar 05 08:28:08 (I too believe that the testing 2.6.11 is getting is enough for a beta, as long as everything else is in sync with that change) Mar 05 08:28:31 It's the "everything in sync" which is my only reservation about moving to 2.6.11 Mar 05 08:29:05 ok, that's my rant for this evening :-) Mar 05 08:29:09 night Mar 05 08:29:16 <[g2]> good night Mar 05 08:29:21 nite! Mar 05 08:36:30 03g2 07 * r1.2975.1.2 10openembedded/packages/openslug-init/ (openslug-init_0.10.bb openslug-init-0.10/sysconfsetup): Tweak openslug-init sysconfsetup to be smarter and allow not default gateway for point-to-point Mar 05 08:36:36 03g2 07 * r1.2975.1.1 10openembedded/packages/ixp425-eth/ (files/intdriven.patch ixp425-eth_1.1.bb): Change ixp425 to Interrupt driven for stability from polled. Mar 05 08:51:59 [g2], ping Mar 05 08:52:01 g2: do you know if it is possible to change RedBoot's default 192.168.0.1 Mar 05 08:52:24 <[g2]> snotling, sure we've build custom reboot's Mar 05 08:52:33 ah i'm interested :) Mar 05 08:52:39 APEX Mar 05 08:53:06 [g2], I just booted my alignment-debug-kernel. Mar 05 08:53:14 <[g2]> siddy, cool Mar 05 08:53:39 <[g2]> snotling, APEX is the bootload replacement we're working on beewoolie wrote it Mar 05 08:53:48 ByronT/g2: is this APEX stable ? and easy/reliable to flash ? Mar 05 08:53:49 <[g2]> it boots Unslung and OpenSlug Mar 05 08:53:51 so, my slug should already know where the problems are, I just have to squeeze that info out of it... Mar 05 08:53:59 only a matter of hours... ;) Mar 05 08:54:32 <[g2]> snotling, it's works we're checking out one issue on the stability of the copy of the data from flash Mar 05 08:54:40 <[g2]> You can build and run it from memory Mar 05 08:54:52 <[g2]> dyoung, has been running it from flash Mar 05 08:55:56 <[g2]> snotling, if your are serious about it you should join #openjtag where we talk about it and other bootloader more often Mar 05 08:56:29 <[g2]> siddy, how are you going to squeeze it out ? Mar 05 08:56:40 g2: ok i'll try to build it. BTW what are its advantages over RedBoot ? why not compile a RedBoot w/ more features ? Mar 05 08:57:18 <[g2]> snotling, the learning curve on Redboot much bigger Mar 05 08:57:30 <[g2]> Redboot is bloated in our minds Mar 05 08:57:40 i have jtag access at work Mar 05 08:57:44 <[g2]> and not very clean to maintain Mar 05 08:57:46 [g2], I saved the ptrs to the failing instrutions in an exported array, so I will now access that array via a kernel-module, which has to be written. Mar 05 08:57:47 that is, i've found a multiIce Mar 05 08:58:06 <[g2]> giel, cool Mar 05 08:58:11 <[g2]> ~nslu2-rules Mar 05 08:58:13 extra, extra, read all about it, nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access. Mar 05 08:58:19 so i might take my slug to work and try some bootloader experiments Mar 05 08:58:22 <[g2]> ~botsnack Mar 05 08:58:22 aw, gee, [g2] Mar 05 08:58:26 <[g2]> #4 Mar 05 08:58:33 yeah, first check if it works :) Mar 05 08:58:34 g2: i see. my problem is that i don't have JTAG access to my board (poor soldering skills) so my fiddling w/ bootloaders may be a bit dangerous Mar 05 08:58:51 snotling: jtag requires more than just solderintg Mar 05 08:58:52 -t Mar 05 08:59:20 <[g2]> snotling, right After we verify it some more I think ppl like you may be willing to risk the flash Mar 05 08:59:41 <[g2]> giel, actually it's like 6 wires and a $19 connector and a bunch of time Mar 05 08:59:56 ah ok Mar 05 08:59:56 <[g2]> it take 40+ minutes to reflash Redboot (256K) Mar 05 09:00:09 at work, i'm using this multIce device, which costs $1500 Mar 05 09:00:27 giel: ok i'll wait a bit i think :) but, precisely, is there a way to overcome RedBoot's default IP address, which is my main problem at the moment Mar 05 09:00:43 <[g2]> right that's what OpenJTAG is about replacing that with a $100ish FPGA board Mar 05 09:00:45 g2: 40 minutes! ouah! Mar 05 09:01:09 <[g2]> turns out APEX is only about 5 because it's only 16K big Mar 05 09:01:21 snotling, that's what we've been saying... the ip address is set by redboot Mar 05 09:01:41 ByronT:i've seen in the flash where it is stored Mar 05 09:01:55 <[g2]> siddy, I pushed the changes for the interrupt fix Mar 05 09:02:01 <[g2]> or poll fix Mar 05 09:02:08 ByronT: in flash memory I mean Mar 05 09:03:20 ByronT: so I thought I could overwrite the IP address value Mar 05 09:04:39 [g2], cool, did you also add the netpoll-support (for netconsole)? Mar 05 09:05:27 <[g2]> siddy, no on the netconsole :( Mar 05 09:05:37 <[g2]> I havent' tried that yet Mar 05 09:05:42 okay. Mar 05 09:05:54 <[g2]> I'm really trying to fix the EHCI issue Mar 05 09:07:08 <[g2]> snotling, you can build Redboot to run from RAM Mar 05 09:08:20 <[g2]> snotling, however you don't want to flash unless it's a tested bootloader or your are very desperate and risking the 100 unit Mar 05 09:09:17 <[g2]> it makes much more sense to setup the JTAG or just ask someone that has JTAG to test a specific change like that Mar 05 09:09:45 <[g2]> that's part of the strenght that comes from working in a community Mar 05 09:11:47 g2: I will follow your advice and don't try to replace the bootloader for the moment Mar 05 09:12:06 <[g2]> that's good :) Mar 05 09:12:15 <[g2]> I should be JTAG enabled in a couple days Mar 05 09:12:53 <[g2]> We'll be testing APEX some more and I might be able to test a one word change to Redboot for a different IP addr Mar 05 09:13:11 <[g2]> I'm assuming you've located the address in the binary Mar 05 09:13:15 g2: but, is it possible to replace the Linux image with one of a new bootloader, so the old one starts the one :) Mar 05 09:13:53 g2: yes, I think I found the offset Mar 05 09:13:54 <[g2]> snotling, that's confusing Mar 05 09:14:21 <[g2]> snotling, you are talking about Linux image and new bootloaders Mar 05 09:14:37 <[g2]> it's simply mtd0 the bootloader Mar 05 09:14:52 <[g2]> Redboot for most, APEX for some Mar 05 09:15:01 g2: sorry, I meant like GRUB's 'chain' mode, starting WinXP bootloader Mar 05 09:16:02 <[g2]> snotling, there are all kinds of things possible and we've done many of them Mar 05 09:17:51 g2: all right, I'll wait and see what emerges of all your hard work :) Mar 05 09:18:15 <[g2]> snotling, it depends on your end-game Mar 05 09:18:38 <[g2]> If you are interesting in playing with his stuff building and running APEX from RAM is great Mar 05 09:18:44 <[g2]> or building Redboot Mar 05 09:19:29 <[g2]> If you are only looking for an IP change, then getting somebody to test that fix or waiting for a bootloader replacement makes sense Mar 05 09:20:05 g2: well, what if I'm interesting in both ;-) Mar 05 09:20:52 <[g2]> snotling, then I'd start getting up-to-speed by reading the wiki and joining #openjtag :) Mar 05 09:21:35 <[g2]> snotling, are you running non-linksys firmware ? Mar 05 09:22:39 g2: as I said, with my poor soldering skills, ?I (almost) fucked the board while trying to put a serial pin header, so JTAG stuff may be a bit too high for me:) Mar 05 09:23:02 g2: as for the firmware, it still has the vanilla firmware Mar 05 09:23:10 <[g2]> I'm in the same boat with the soldering skills Mar 05 09:23:23 <[g2]> so you're serial enabled ? Mar 05 09:23:28 g2: but it's onlt temporary as I don't plan to use it for the same thing Linksys thought Mar 05 09:23:43 g2: not i don't have serial :( Mar 05 09:23:59 <[g2]> a failed serial attempt :) Mar 05 09:24:14 <[g2]> what do you want to use it for ? Mar 05 09:24:49 g2: i'd like to hook up a few USB Wifi adapters and put it on my roof for a meshed network in my city :) Mar 05 09:25:12 g2: so, not a file server :) Mar 05 09:25:35 snotling == wlan-sniffling ? ;) Mar 05 09:27:03 g2: stuff like that : http://www.usbwifi.orcon.net.nz/ Mar 05 09:28:13 g2: i once wanted to use the NSLU2 as a NAS/SAN but i've had issues with USB enclosures so, after all, it may be easier to put my hard drives plugged to IDE on a normal motherboard Mar 05 09:52:31 rwhitby-asleep: Do you agree to my suggested community rule #0 ? Also: Do you have an easy answer to my slow flash read problem? Mar 05 10:01:30 bob_tm-sick, I think it is a good suggestion Mar 05 10:01:51 ByronT: Thanks - support is good. Mar 05 10:02:14 I sort of have that *suggestion* in th NewUsersGuide http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/NewUsersGuide Mar 05 10:02:45 which means it is also in the "NOTES" that comes with Unslung firmware Mar 05 10:02:50 ByronT: That is good, but it should be on the main page with the other things too. Mar 05 10:03:29 Because it will focus on the wiki as source of info. Of course people may fail to find the answer there, even if present, but at least try. Mar 05 10:04:03 but maybe as #3 Mar 05 10:04:18 I'm liberal when it comes to order. Mar 05 10:04:40 move current 5 to number 4 Mar 05 10:04:54 more orderly that way... Mar 05 10:05:40 I'll leave this in your capable hands. If I remember correctly the first says that those who ask questions should type up asnwers. It seems logical to tell them what to do prior to asking, _before_ that. Mar 05 10:06:05 I'm reading that as well Mar 05 10:07:10 ByronT: Do you have a prelim readme for Unslung 4.x? Mar 05 10:07:49 I do not... of course, I haven't played with unslung 4.x - concentrating on licensing issues and openslug doco Mar 05 10:08:16 No problem - just asking as I'm about to flash it, so it would be an alpha of any readme as well Mar 05 10:09:08 Anyone here named Keith Garry Boyce ? Mar 05 10:09:09 for unslung 4.x readme, I believe that I would be changing the unslung 3.x readme Mar 05 10:09:33 Yes - that is my fallback - I'll use that Mar 05 10:10:14 bob_tm-sick, if you'll go to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/SuggestedChangesToTheReadme and get the README from there, you'll have the latest repo version Mar 05 10:10:31 Thanks - will do Mar 05 10:11:10 and if you'll take some notes and put them on that page, I'll incorporate them into the unslung 4.x readme Mar 05 10:14:46 Ok Mar 05 10:14:57 thank you! Mar 05 10:18:06 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): increased cyrus-imapd version to fix bug 110 Mar 05 10:20:22 <[g2]> snotling, coll Mar 05 10:20:24 <[g2]> cool Mar 05 10:25:27 Home page updated Mar 05 10:25:41 ~nslu2-rules Mar 05 10:25:42 extra, extra, read all about it, nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access. Mar 05 10:26:21 now we need to update jbot's response Mar 05 10:26:36 ~praise ByronT Mar 05 10:26:38 All hail ByronT! Mar 05 10:27:00 ~botsnack Mar 05 10:27:00 ByronT: :) Mar 05 10:43:13 [g2], ping Mar 05 10:43:49 <[g2]> siddy, pong Mar 05 10:44:02 I think I located your startup-alignment-errors. Mar 05 10:44:11 <[g2]> ~hail siddy :) Mar 05 10:44:14 * jbot bows down to siddy :) and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Mar 05 10:44:45 well, you'll have to look somewhere in ixp4xx_copy_from to find 2814 alignment-errors in one instruction. Mar 05 10:45:17 <[g2]> do you happend to have an offset ? Mar 05 10:45:29 sec... Mar 05 10:45:30 <[g2]> ipx4xx_copy_from+0x.... ? Mar 05 10:46:04 c0111128 - c01110c8 Mar 05 10:46:08 :) Mar 05 10:46:38 <[g2]> thx Mar 05 10:47:22 <[g2]> so 0x60 Mar 05 10:47:31 <[g2]> pretty near the start Mar 05 10:47:46 Gddam, I forgot to add kallsyms to my kernel, I'm switching between my output and System.map all the time... :\ Mar 05 10:48:50 <[g2]> A bunch of years ago I wrote a perl script that used the output of a logic analyzer to create a runtime profile using the memory map informaion Mar 05 10:49:32 <[g2]> I was going to try and check out the profiling for the kernel on OpenSlug Mar 05 10:49:51 * [g2] doesn't have access to a deep logic analyzer any more :) Mar 05 10:54:51 hm, the disassembly of ixp4xx_copy_from is pretty short, should be easy to locate. Mar 05 10:59:05 hm, looking at the source (once i found it), it's pretty obvious. I vote for the line "u16 *src...", any objections? ;) Mar 05 11:05:20 oh no, my fault, the bad guy is drivers/mtd/maps/ixp4xx.c:63 Mar 05 11:21:23 has anyone managed to build a new RedBoot ? Mar 05 11:41:10 <[g2]> snotling, yes severaly ppl Mar 05 11:43:07 g2: have you got an howto ? Mar 05 11:43:17 [g2], I hope I fixed ixp4xx_copy_from locally, will reflash soon. Mar 05 11:43:28 i'm stuck at the ecosconfig part Mar 05 11:44:32 that wiki search function is real neat Mar 05 11:45:03 <[g2]> with the tcl thing Mar 05 11:45:15 <[g2]> snotling, did you pull sluggo from the CVS Mar 05 11:45:19 <[g2]> start there Mar 05 11:46:37 g2: nope, i will Mar 05 11:56:59 <[g2]> did you have the calling stack on the alignment error ? Mar 05 11:57:17 <[g2]> I'm wonder what procedure call copy_from Mar 05 11:58:15 no, sorry. Stackdumping on every alignment-error really makes the slug unusable, i had that before... ;) Mar 05 12:27:11 2:30 in the afternoon and kergoth awakes.... Mar 05 12:27:17 late night... ;) Mar 05 12:27:39 heh, naw, didnt bother using the computer until now Mar 05 12:28:32 oh. way back when I was your age, saturday morning until afternoon was sleeping in/recovering from Friday night/preparing for Saturday night Mar 05 12:42:42 <[cc]smart> ye, and then we were introduced to school Mar 05 12:42:53 <[cc]smart> :) Mar 05 12:43:55 ByronT: Only one tiny comment so far on the wiki. Mar 05 12:44:04 shoot Mar 05 12:44:58 ah, I see Mar 05 12:45:37 I will add appropriate notation (there's also a double "you" in the NOTES...) Mar 05 12:52:23 rwhitby-asleep: Unslung alpha 4.3 - /tmp is still not writable for other that owner. Mar 05 12:58:24 ByronT: A more general thing about unslung. There is little info about what's going on - that is: what things do when you run them? Maybe a brief explanation of the workings of unsling would be a good idea. Just as side info. Mar 05 12:58:48 Like: What happens if when you unsling after upgrade.. Mar 05 13:10:47 yeah, the OpenSlug doco will be more technical and give the (whats and whys) of what you're doing.. Mar 05 13:11:13 i would have replied earlier but I was putting out the toaster Mar 05 13:11:20 bob_tm-sick: ping Mar 05 13:11:28 morning all Mar 05 13:11:45 home page change ok, rwhitby? Mar 05 13:12:36 my wife put some nachos in the toaster over and left it going.... I smelled smoke and ran into kitchen to find toaster on fire.... Mar 05 13:12:54 house full of smoke... great for the allergies.... Mar 05 13:12:57 ByronT: looks good to me Mar 05 13:27:07 okay, I'm down to 6 alignment-errors during boot of 2.6.11, but I have no clue why those 2800 errors in ixp4xx_copy_from suddenly appeared. That code was obviously unchanged since 2.6.9. Mar 05 13:40:58 oh, if somebody wants to fix the remaining 6 alignment-errors, there they are: Mar 05 13:40:59 Mar 5 22:39:33 slug user.warn kernel: 1: 3 (hub_probe+0x25c/0x620) Mar 05 13:41:01 Mar 5 22:39:33 slug user.warn kernel: 2: 2 (hub_probe+0x26c/0x620) Mar 05 13:41:01 Mar 5 22:39:33 slug user.warn kernel: 3: 1 (hub_probe+0x26c/0x620) Mar 05 13:41:18 I'm off, good night everybody! Mar 05 14:04:17 hi all, are there any plans to port irssi to nslu2-linux? or is that already possible? (apologies for the newbish nature of the question) Mar 05 14:04:54 you can build irssi with OE today, for openslug Mar 05 14:05:08 dunno about unslung Mar 05 14:14:40 [g2] around? Mar 05 14:17:15 siddy-away, where do you twiddle to get these messages? Mar 05 14:25:31 dyoung, I modified the alignment-trap to save the pointers of the alignment-errors. I'm reading that structure via a module to get above messages. Mar 05 14:26:16 <[g2]> dyoung, I'll be around later Mar 05 14:27:03 siddy, thanks. Are the details of your mods posted anywhere and I missed them? Or are they Siddy's Secret (tm) ? ;-) Mar 05 14:27:18 <[g2]> pls post to the wiki :) Mar 05 14:27:40 <[g2]-away> dyoung I'll back later tonigh in a few hours Mar 05 14:27:43 Siddy's Private Hack To Brutal To Be Published (tm) Mar 05 14:28:08 <[g2]-away> thx siddy-away it's ok Mar 05 14:28:13 <[g2]-away> ~ube Mar 05 14:28:15 well, ube is Ugly But Effective. Or sometimes Unorthrodox But Effective Mar 05 14:28:16 ok, we rely on you for Alignment Error Assisnationsions. :-) Mar 05 14:28:23 ~dyoung Mar 05 14:28:25 it has been said that dyoung is just some guy with a UBESSA. That's a 'Unorthrodox But Effect Super Serial Adapter'. He is also the master of doing things in the ugliest possible way, and a part time kernel diddler. Mar 05 14:43:20 btw: here's the patch to fix the 2800 errors in ixp4xx... : http://www.siddy.org/openslug/2.6.11-ixp4xx_copy_from.patch Mar 05 14:43:42 I'm not happy with that patch, but hey, it works! ;) Mar 05 14:52:53 Still searching for Keith Garry Boyce - anybody know who he is (that is - what is his dev name)? Mar 05 15:47:56 bob_tm-sick, where did you get that name, from the mailing list? Mar 05 15:48:29 From control files Mar 05 15:48:39 CVS Mar 05 15:48:51 check the mailing list Mar 05 15:49:10 a lot of devs don't use IRC Mar 05 15:49:10 . Mar 05 15:49:16 I will do some searches. Mar 05 15:49:44 expecially for the package that is in question. Mar 05 15:50:17 Hope he answers my email - would make it easier. Mar 05 15:52:05 yeah. Mar 05 15:52:14 what package is this? Mar 05 15:52:36 Several - transcode was one Mar 05 15:52:44 Very productive guy Mar 05 15:52:45 coh cool Mar 05 15:53:12 iconv is one of the libs? Mar 05 15:53:45 :-) Mar 05 15:54:02 thot so... Mar 05 16:15:33 bob_tm-sick, cvs log is your friend. Mar 05 16:16:08 if I do cvs log on sources/transcode/control, it tells me the guy youre looking for is garpinc. Mar 05 16:16:45 dyoung: Will do. Mar 05 17:59:41 <[g2]> siddy-away, Hey with that patch I'm down to 6 half word alignment errors Mar 05 18:01:23 [g2], he mentioned what causes them a few hours ago. Mar 05 18:01:45 didnt track em down tho Mar 05 18:02:09 <[g2]> dyoung, you saw his patch right ? Mar 05 18:02:27 <[g2]> yeah I saw taht Mar 05 18:02:38 <[g2]> dyoung, You were looking for me earlier ? Mar 05 18:03:01 I saw it. Are you gonna be pushng the patch to oe? Mar 05 18:03:20 <[g2]> I'm ready :) Mar 05 18:03:37 <[g2]> you just saw my note to siddy :) Mar 05 18:04:23 I was just wondering how far you explored into our ehci issue. Mar 05 18:04:49 <[g2]> how far I've explored or how far I've gotten ? Mar 05 18:04:51 <[g2]> :) Mar 05 18:04:57 either, both? Mar 05 18:05:27 <[g2]> We'll I've looked at the code some I've sent messages to the arm-linux ml Mar 05 18:05:49 <[g2]> I've worked with you to get 2.6.11 running Mar 05 18:06:14 <[g2]> the intel polling fix doesn't change it Mar 05 18:06:48 Hunting down why the dog bites. Mar 05 18:06:51 Its making my head hurt. Mar 05 18:07:20 <[g2]> and I'm reading the 3rd Ed. of Linux Device Drivers that has a bunch of info and debugging techniques in it Mar 05 18:07:57 <[g2]> it's based on the 2.6.10 kernel which couldn't be much better timing for us Mar 05 18:08:16 ok Mar 05 18:08:34 <[g2]> the problem also happens without the ixp4xx drivers loaded at all Mar 05 18:08:44 I would think that it would. Mar 05 18:09:18 the main question I have and havnt tested is, does it do the same thing when you have a disk running over ohci only. Mar 05 18:09:28 <[g2]> that's a good question Mar 05 18:09:38 obviously wouldnt get irq: nobody cared Mar 05 18:09:40 26 Mar 05 18:09:44 IRQ26: Mar 05 18:09:58 <[g2]> I was going look at building without nslu2-io Mar 05 18:10:00 You'd get either IRQ27: or IRQ28: Nobody Cared. Mar 05 18:10:30 I dont think nslu2-io is the problem. Mar 05 18:10:47 if anything, nslu2-pci could use adjustment; Mar 05 18:10:51 *shrug* Mar 05 18:10:52 <[g2]> I don't think so, but kas11 mentioned the interrupt maping stuff Mar 05 18:11:00 thats all in nslu2-pci Mar 05 18:11:04 <[g2]> ah Mar 05 18:11:16 <[g2]> well that's the code I want to get to know better Mar 05 18:11:32 study nslu2-pci.c Mar 05 18:11:48 <[g2]> there's cleaning that stuff up for submission upstream Mar 05 18:11:48 and compare it to (other_ixp_arch)-pci.c Mar 05 18:11:59 Actually that stuff is clean already Mar 05 18:11:59 <[g2]> that's how I found the .init :) Mar 05 18:12:09 it matches the template. Mar 05 18:12:22 <[g2]> right I think is it pretty clean Mar 05 18:12:41 <[g2]> We need to clean up the -io code to check with the latest version Mar 05 18:12:55 <[g2]> I'd like to cut it down to only doing GPIO Mar 05 18:13:03 <[g2]> and lose the timer stuff for now Mar 05 18:13:12 <[g2]> if that's possible Mar 05 18:13:23 Renaming stuff to match the template would be nice too Mar 05 18:13:45 <[g2]> that'd make a bunch of sense too Mar 05 18:13:55 * [g2] needs to see what the template looks like Mar 05 18:14:20 <[g2]> but without timers it's one less issue to worry about Mar 05 18:15:07 <[g2]> and also the RTC can be looked at, we can figure out the device id and then get that pushed upstream too Mar 05 18:15:39 <[g2]> With the 2.6.11 kernel out, our timing is good now for submitting the changes upstream Mar 05 18:16:37 <[g2]> It'll be sooo cool to be able to make nslu2_defconig make zImage Mar 05 18:16:51 <[g2]> with the right spelling of course :) Mar 05 18:16:53 yeah, we need a proper id for the X1205 Mar 05 18:17:09 and I Mar 05 18:17:14 d like to finish repairing the code Mar 05 18:17:32 the x1205 reports back in 1-12 but the rtc call wants it in 0-11 Mar 05 18:19:06 should be an easy fix ? Mar 05 18:19:14 <[g2]> hey jacques ! Mar 05 18:19:34 hi [g2] I see you guys are making excellent progress on 2.6 Mar 05 18:20:25 <[g2]> jacques, that's because you kicked so much a** on the compiler/toolchain I figured I better get rolling on 2.6 or I'd all be done already Mar 05 18:20:37 should be an easy fix; but I didnt fully understand the issue until last night. Mar 05 18:21:20 <[g2]> the coolest thing is there's a lot happening in many areas and it's all coming together Mar 05 18:22:28 that's great! Mar 05 18:23:08 <[g2]> it is great YOU GUYS ROCK Mar 05 18:26:19 <[g2]> gentoo2 root # time ping -i 0.00001 -q -c 10000 192.168.1.77 Mar 05 18:26:19 <[g2]> PING 192.168.1.77 (192.168.1.77) 56(84) bytes of data. Mar 05 18:26:19 <[g2]> --- 192.168.1.77 ping statistics --- Mar 05 18:26:19 <[g2]> 10000 packets transmitted, 10000 received, 0% packet loss, time 1210ms Mar 05 18:26:19 <[g2]> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 0.105/0.109/0.412/0.005 ms, ipg/ewma 0.121/0.107 ms Mar 05 18:26:27 <[g2]> real 0m1.213s Mar 05 18:26:27 <[g2]> user 0m0.031s Mar 05 18:26:27 <[g2]> sys 0m0.123s Mar 05 18:27:31