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Mar 08 00:40:49 <CIA-12> 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add missing dependencies for libtiff and libpng
Mar 08 00:59:24 <bob_tm-better> hi jbot :-)
Mar 08 00:59:46 <bob_tm-better> Guess its you me and CIA-12 
Mar 08 01:29:31 <MooZ> bye
Mar 08 01:33:05 <CIA-12> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/centericq/ (control Makefile.in.sh): 
Mar 08 01:33:06 <CIA-12> Initial checkin - uses 4-5MB RAM (most shared) and will be trimmed
Mar 08 01:33:06 <CIA-12> later. A bit flacky, but not much worse than on other platforms
Mar 08 01:33:06 <CIA-12> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mar 08 01:35:04 <CIA-12> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/centericq.mk: MSN, ICQ, etc. ncurses client. Cross compile, but uses some local host programs at present, like msgfmt, so not ready for testing
Mar 08 01:36:56 <bob_tm-better> Oh, that didn't come out right. "uses some local host programs _during configure_ ..." should be it
Mar 08 01:37:16 <bob_tm-better> ... but you don't care, do you CIA-12 ?
Mar 08 01:51:41 <jp30> hi, bob_tm
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Mar 08 07:27:58 <wipmac> hi all. if ipkg install gives me a "not enough free space on disk", what do i gotta do/change?
Mar 08 07:28:44 <kergoth> free some space?
Mar 08 07:30:00 <wipmac> ermm ..but there is 70 gigs free on that drive
Mar 08 07:30:36 <wipmac> but sda2 /share/hdd/conf seems to be 100% full..what cani delete there?
Mar 08 07:32:52 <wipmac> any1 clue kergoth?
Mar 08 07:47:55 <rwhitby-web> wipmac: there is a wiki page on what to do when your conf partition fills up
Mar 08 07:51:05 <rwhitby-web> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/IncreaseSpaceAvailableForPackages
Mar 08 12:04:05 <CIA-12> 03dyoung 07 * r1.3014.1.1 10openembedded/conf/distro/openslug.conf: Fixed ixp400 and ixp425_eth driver versions to 1.4 and 1.1 respectively.
Mar 08 12:16:58 <rwhitby> dyoung: http://usbip.naist.jp/
Mar 08 14:16:51 <copri> I'm trying to set up unslung and am having trouble. I've checked the wiki but haven't found my problem there. glibc is failing to build, complaining about rpcsvc/bootparam_prot.h
Mar 08 14:17:31 <copri> that seems like it should be generated with rpcgen from %.x, but the makefile guards that stuff out for cross-compiles
Mar 08 14:17:50 <kergoth> you really need to learn to give some context
Mar 08 14:17:52 <kergoth> heh
Mar 08 14:17:54 <copri> so I'm a little confused as to how those .x files are supposed to be processed, any why glibc is failing
Mar 08 14:18:00 <kergoth> so you're crosscompiling then?
Mar 08 14:18:11 <copri> ah, yes, I'm not native building
Mar 08 14:18:16 <copri> I'm cross compiling
Mar 08 14:18:39 <copri> because I don't have a usb drive or stick, I'm going to do everything with just the nslu flash
Mar 08 16:04:40 <perlguru> morning
Mar 08 16:05:00 <ka6sox-away> mourning
Mar 08 16:05:33 <perlguru> ~mornings
Mar 08 16:05:34 <jbot> Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/)
Mar 08 16:05:46 <kergoth> i really need to buy a destroy mornings tshirt one of these days
Mar 08 16:06:44 <giel> i like mornings!
Mar 08 16:06:52 <giel> the ones on which i don't have to get up, that is
Mar 08 16:07:24 <ka6sox-away> heh
Mar 08 16:07:45 <perlguru> it is the waking up part i hate.
Mar 08 16:08:04 <ka6sox-away> I don't *do* mornings
Mar 08 16:11:21 <perlguru> read yesterdays log in less than 2 minutes :)
Mar 08 16:23:06 <giel> the waking up part is nice, the getting up part isn't
Mar 08 20:28:37 <bob_tm-better> I love unintended insight: http://www.destroymornings.com/solution.php end up with "...solution.php not found on this server".
Mar 08 20:31:46 <CIA-12> 03dyoung 07 * r1.3017.1.1 10openembedded/packages/linux/openslug-kernel_2.6.11.bb: Upgrade the kernel to 2.6.11.2
Mar 08 20:32:41 <[g2]> Cool!
Mar 08 20:33:58 <perlguru> 986 Changesets
Mar 08 20:34:19 <perlguru> http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/cset/
Mar 08 20:34:39 <bob_tm-better> I did a whole MSN-conversation from my slug yesterday. One small step for man... This tiny, slow, miserable excuse for a computer can do anything (sorry, Naseem, buddy, but it is all true). 
Mar 08 20:40:07 <bob_tm-better> perlguru: Massive fixes. Awesome!
Mar 08 20:40:43 <perlguru> bob_tm-better, join #openslug
Mar 08 20:41:07 <bob_tm-better> Not yet - must... resist....
Mar 08 20:41:22 <bob_tm-better> Have.... paper... deadline...
Mar 08 20:41:44 <perlguru> bob_tm-better, forget what I said ;)
Mar 08 20:41:59 <bob_tm-better> perlguru: See you there soon
Mar 08 20:48:23 <bob_tm-better> Unslung guys - I have a package (ntop) which must be fetched from CVS with "cvs login". How should we do this in our makefiles?
Mar 08 20:48:44 <kergoth> you should specify the password in the cvsroot.
Mar 08 20:50:27 <dyoung> kergoth, isnt like ReallyDamnEarly o'clock for you?
Mar 08 20:50:34 <kergoth> yep. didnt sleep
Mar 08 20:50:50 <dyoung> You *ARE* a machine.
Mar 08 20:51:27 <kergoth> heh, was working on things, and next thing i knew it was morning
Mar 08 20:53:10 <bob_tm-better> kergoth: A bit underspecified for me. Are there exampes around?
Mar 08 20:54:29 <kergoth> bob_tm-better: i.e. :pserver:anoncvs:password@hostname/path
Mar 08 20:54:31 <kergoth> or whatever
Mar 08 20:54:37 <kergoth> you justa dd :pass to the username in the cvsroot.
Mar 08 20:54:41 <bob_tm-better> In ~/cvsroot ?
Mar 08 20:54:44 <kergoth> (that is, the -d option to cvs)
Mar 08 20:54:45 <kergoth> ?
Mar 08 20:54:45 <bob_tm-better> eh .cvsroot
Mar 08 20:55:05 <bob_tm-better> You mean in cvs co command?
Mar 08 20:55:18 <rwhitby-away> kergoth is saying pass the password in the argument to -d in cvs.
Mar 08 20:55:29 <bob_tm-better> I got it.
Mar 08 20:56:02 <kergoth> i got my new workstation today :)
Mar 08 20:56:04 <kergoth> er yesterday
Mar 08 20:56:07 <bob_tm-better> It complained when I tried (first thing I tried), but I wil lhave another go. ntop built btw
Mar 08 20:56:25 <bob_tm-better> kergoth: Congrats!
Mar 08 20:56:32 <kergoth> athlon64 shuttle xpc
Mar 08 20:56:36 <kergoth> nice little box
Mar 08 20:56:56 <perlguru> hehe, another AMD64 user!
Mar 08 20:57:17 <kergoth> :)
Mar 08 20:57:28 <kergoth> i do most of my builds on a remote opteron box
Mar 08 20:57:35 <kergoth> but its nice to have a local machine that isnt ancient
Mar 08 20:57:36 <kergoth> heh
Mar 08 20:57:40 <bob_tm-better> Indeed! I'm envious. I revived my resently deceased AMD XP 1500+, but it is soo much slower
Mar 08 20:58:29 <jacques> kergoth, what are the specs? proc/ram ? nforce3 ?
Mar 08 20:59:00 <kergoth> nforce3, ati radeon 9600xt, the proc is 3400+ (2.21GHz, iirc).  gig of ram
Mar 08 20:59:19 <kergoth> base cost before the bump to ram & hd size was $899
Mar 08 20:59:21 <kergoth> couldnt pass it up
Mar 08 20:59:40 <jacques> you got it already built ?
Mar 08 21:00:47 <bob_tm-better> jacques: yes
Mar 08 21:00:47 * kergoth nods
Mar 08 21:00:58 <kergoth> jacques: http://sys.us.shuttle.com/BuildXPC.aspx?id=1082
Mar 08 21:00:59 <bob_tm-better> jacques: sorry - thought you meant me
Mar 08 21:01:19 <jacques> ah ok, I knew they were doing full systems now
Mar 08 21:01:23 <kergoth> rwhitby-away: now that i have a decent desktop, running windows, with colinux, i'm ironing out the kinks of doing development insdie of an oe rootfs.
Mar 08 21:02:16 <jacques> heh, even shuttle isn't allowed to sell a system without windows
Mar 08 21:02:40 <jacques> because as we all know, everybody uses windows, and if a company were to sell a system without windows they would be promoting piracy
Mar 08 21:02:52 <kergoth> hehe
Mar 08 21:02:56 <kergoth> i dont mind, i want to do some gaming
Mar 08 21:03:02 <kergoth> been too long since i had a machine that was capable of it
Mar 08 21:03:50 <jacques> I'm surprised they aren't forced to bindle windows with their barebones
Mar 08 21:03:56 <giel> i've sold out and bought an xbox some time ago
Mar 08 21:03:57 <kergoth> hehe
Mar 08 21:04:03 <jacques> or maybe have intel and amd bundle it with their procs
Mar 08 21:04:03 <giel> at least that kept me from running windows on my desktop
Mar 08 21:04:05 <kergoth> i like my ps2. dont use it much though
Mar 08 21:04:50 <giel> i don't use it much either, but at least i can do some gaming when i feel like it
Mar 08 21:06:09 <jacques> perl built - that's good
Mar 08 21:06:27 <kergoth> jacques: hah
Mar 08 21:06:39 <kergoth> the automake build..
Mar 08 21:06:47 <kergoth> the #! points at staging
Mar 08 21:06:50 <kergoth> oops.. :)
Mar 08 21:07:12 <kergoth> on the plus side, after installing some packages, i can compile a hello world out of the box, no hacks like we used to require, thats good to confirm
Mar 08 21:07:20 * kergoth tests perl
Mar 08 21:07:52 <kergoth> yeah, this automake build's prefix is wrong, thats why it isnt working.. lets see..
Mar 08 21:09:30 <kolla_> it's no problem repartitioning the slug, right? I want different partition layout, more space on the conf partition and seperate gentoo partition, for example
Mar 08 21:09:39 <kolla_> repartitioning the disk on the slug that is
Mar 08 21:10:02 <kergoth> shit
Mar 08 21:10:17 <kolla_> uh-oh :)
Mar 08 21:10:18 <kergoth> jacques: it has to do with the fact that i had perl-native built before i built the target automake (had built perl first)
Mar 08 21:10:23 <kergoth> jacques: its picking up the one in staging
Mar 08 21:10:25 <kergoth> and fucking everything up
Mar 08 21:10:30 <kergoth> :\
Mar 08 21:10:47 <rwhitby-away> kolla_: unslung or openslug?
Mar 08 21:11:05 <kolla_> unslung
Mar 08 21:11:50 <rwhitby-away> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/CustomSizedPartitions
Mar 08 21:11:56 <kolla_> aha
Mar 08 21:12:05 <kolla_> I should have thought so
Mar 08 21:12:47 <kolla_> rwhitby-away: this is too easy, I do it the hard way.. remote, from ssh :)
Mar 08 21:13:31 <rwhitby-away> well, we'll expect to see the remote ssh version added to that page then ;-)
Mar 08 21:13:46 <kolla_> moving my conf/data over to nfs, remount the hdd from nfs.. chroot into my gentoo partition and run fdisk from there (it works), format etc.. remount..
Mar 08 21:14:09 <kolla_> rwhitby-away:I'll put it under "you really wouldnt do this, but.." :)
Mar 08 21:14:48 <kolla_> it's a problem that the fdisk that comes with oe doesnt work, it just exits
Mar 08 21:15:00 <kolla_> fdisk -l /dev/sda works though
Mar 08 21:17:05 <kolla_> oh, it's not oe.. it's the one that comes with the slug
Mar 08 21:17:49 <rwhitby-away> yeah, you can use the real busybox one - ipk install busybox and say "/opt/bin/busybox fdisk ...."
Mar 08 21:18:05 <kolla_> ok
Mar 08 21:18:09 <rwhitby-away> we don't symlink the applet by default, cause it would break compatibility
Mar 08 21:18:12 <kolla_> well, I have one working in my gentoo chroot
Mar 08 21:18:40 <kergoth> jacques: perl works fine in colinux.
Mar 08 21:19:13 <kergoth> looks like the default INC path isnt including the target specific area for extensions though
Mar 08 21:19:17 <kergoth> its poking in staging
Mar 08 21:19:24 <kergoth> if i fix that, itll "just work"
Mar 08 21:19:32 <kergoth> that said, we have a metric assload of perl ipks
Mar 08 21:19:38 <kergoth> just to get automake working you need to install like 12
Mar 08 21:19:52 <kergoth> we need to get automatic dependency generation for perl and python.
Mar 08 21:20:08 <kolla_> I hate that.. 
Mar 08 21:20:19 <kolla_> make system that use perl.. yikes
Mar 08 21:20:28 <kergoth> high package granularity is a Good Thing .. as long as you have task meta packages, and correct dependencies
Mar 08 21:20:32 <kergoth> heh, yeah
Mar 08 21:20:48 <rwhitby-away> almost as bad as a build system that uses python, hey?
Mar 08 21:20:53 * rwhitby-away ducks
Mar 08 21:21:06 <giel> quaak
Mar 08 21:21:28 <kolla_> rwhitby-away: build systems is one thing, "make" is something else.. you can live without a build system, but when "make" doesnt work...
Mar 08 21:21:44 <rwhitby-away> I can't live without my bitbake ....
Mar 08 21:22:24 <kergoth> hmm, making progress on this
Mar 08 21:22:32 <kergoth> cant find the perl package with Config.pm though
Mar 08 21:22:33 <kergoth> lets see
Mar 08 21:25:08 <kergoth> damn
Mar 08 21:25:09 <kergoth> hmm
Mar 08 21:25:29 <kergoth> root@colinux:/# perl -I /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.4/i686-linux-uclibc /usr/bin/automake 2>&1|more
Mar 08 21:25:36 <kergoth> perl: can't resolve symbol 'sockatmark'
Mar 08 21:25:39 <kergoth> root@colinux:/#
Mar 08 21:26:45 <kergoth> heh
Mar 08 21:26:51 <kergoth> i had to install _17_ perl-module ipks
Mar 08 21:26:53 <kergoth> to get it to that point
Mar 08 21:27:41 <jacques> yeah
Mar 08 21:27:52 <jacques> seems like every .pm has a module
Mar 08 21:27:55 <jacques> I mean has an ipk
Mar 08 21:28:01 <kergoth> yeah, it is
Mar 08 21:28:16 <kergoth> i wouldnt mind it, _if_ we had automatic perl dependency generation
Mar 08 21:28:25 <kergoth> i dont see any inter perl module Depends right now, and i'm sure they exist.
Mar 08 21:30:53 * [g2] hugs kergoth 
Mar 08 21:30:56 <[g2]> Hey kergoth 
Mar 08 21:31:03 <[g2]> thx for stopping by
Mar 08 21:31:09 <kergoth> aha, i bet sockatmark is something uclibc doesnt implement
Mar 08 21:31:23 * kergoth checks his perl config.sh
Mar 08 21:31:23 <jacques> hmm, I know perl runs under uclibc
Mar 08 21:31:25 <[g2]> esp. with the good news about perl
Mar 08 21:31:28 <jacques> oh duh
Mar 08 21:31:31 <jacques> you;re right
Mar 08 21:31:32 <kergoth> jacques: yes, but i think i might be telling it we have it :)
Mar 08 21:31:35 <jacques> nod
Mar 08 21:32:00 <kergoth> bingo
Mar 08 21:32:00 <kergoth> d_sockatmark='define'
Mar 08 21:32:01 <kergoth> d_sockatmarkproto='undef'
Mar 08 21:32:02 <kergoth> :D
Mar 08 21:32:13 * kergoth adds bits to his -linux -> -linux-uclibc mangler
Mar 08 21:32:29 <kergoth> once i get this working
Mar 08 21:32:34 <kergoth> i'll just do a native perl build and emit a proper config.sh
Mar 08 21:32:35 <kergoth> heh
Mar 08 21:32:39 <kergoth> unless you have one handy?
Mar 08 21:33:18 <jacques> I can look, but I might have misplaced my uclibc/armeb perl config.sh
Mar 08 21:33:31 <jacques> that was in sept after all :-D
Mar 08 21:33:33 <kergoth> k
Mar 08 21:33:47 <kergoth> well, this is fresh in y mind, i'll generate it here and compare it against my i686-linux non-uclibc
Mar 08 21:33:56 <kergoth> and we'll have a good list of the linux vs linux-uclibc differences
Mar 08 21:35:27 * kergoth looks forward to testing an oe run in colinux
Mar 08 21:38:16 <kolla_> hm, inside windows?
Mar 08 21:39:10 <jacques> kolla_, yeah, colinux runs inside windows
Mar 08 21:40:55 <kolla_> what a stramge thing to do,, oh well, I guess it's nice when your boss insists that you use windows :)
Mar 08 21:41:33 <jacques> well, since windows is so much more secure than linux, it's really best to do it this way
Mar 08 21:41:50 * dyoung-zzzz blinks
Mar 08 21:42:00 <jacques> the tough windows layer protects the mushy linux center
Mar 08 21:42:13 * dyoung-zzzz blinks again
Mar 08 21:42:45 * jacques bursts out laughing.
Mar 08 21:42:54 <jacques> sorry, couldn't keep a straight face
Mar 08 21:43:05 <jacques> I dunno how the MS ppl do it
Mar 08 21:43:20 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay I've been wanting to say this for the past 3 hours but have been holding it in.
Mar 08 21:43:27 * giel all ears
Mar 08 21:43:31 <dyoung-zzzz> IXP400-CSR 1.5 can BITE ME
Mar 08 21:43:47 * IXP400-CSR bites dyoung-zzzz 
Mar 08 21:43:48 <jacques> lol
Mar 08 21:43:52 <dyoung-zzzz> ~lart ixp400-csr
Mar 08 21:43:53 * jbot takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays ixp400-csr in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed
Mar 08 21:45:22 <rwhitby-zzzz> kolla_: all of my nslu2-linux development is done exclusively in CoLinux under windows.
Mar 08 21:45:45 <rwhitby-zzzz> saves me having to dual-boot the laptop.
Mar 08 21:45:58 <dyoung-zzzz> is there a howto somewhere?
Mar 08 21:46:07 <rwhitby-zzzz> www.colinux.org
Mar 08 21:46:19 <dyoung-zzzz> I never quite made X go.
Mar 08 21:46:23 <rwhitby-zzzz> install the debian image, and you're away
Mar 08 21:46:28 <kergoth> i'm runnign windows on the new box so I can game
Mar 08 21:46:33 <kergoth> and colinux saves me the hassle of dual booting
Mar 08 21:46:39 <dyoung-zzzz> (yeah yeah I know.  the GUI is the thing that lets you have multiple command line windows openg)
Mar 08 21:46:42 <rwhitby-zzzz> oh, I don't use X with CoLinux usually.
Mar 08 21:46:51 <rwhitby-zzzz> but I have done so.
Mar 08 21:47:06 <kolla_> rwhitby-zzzz: oh, sad :)
Mar 08 21:47:08 <rwhitby-zzzz> but with Exceed as the server in the windows session
Mar 08 21:47:09 <perlguru> tried X but didnot get it to work :(
Mar 08 21:47:10 <kergoth> well, colinux doesnt have a display.  you just run the apps on a remote X server, likely running on the windows box itself, via the TUN/TAP network connection.
Mar 08 21:47:14 <kergoth> nothing to it
Mar 08 21:47:24 <kergoth> export DISPLAY=192.168.1.101:0.0
Mar 08 21:47:25 <kergoth> or whatever
Mar 08 21:47:44 <dyoung-zzzz> HMm, thats an option I never explored.
Mar 08 21:47:51 <rwhitby-zzzz> yeah - what he said.  I use the XP network bridge stuff to do it
Mar 08 21:47:51 <kergoth> thats the only way to make it happen.
Mar 08 21:47:59 <kergoth> i'm using a pcap bridge atm
Mar 08 21:48:15 * kergoth scps down the latest perl build
Mar 08 21:49:11 <dyoung-zzzz> Hmm, guess I'll have to look at that on the work lappy tommrow.
Mar 08 21:51:09 <rwhitby-zzzz> I think I had to use the XP bridging to get the CoLinux virtual adapter to be able to get a DHCP lease over the XP wireless link (it gets it's own IP from the LAN dhcp server, just like the windows session does).
Mar 08 21:52:26 <rwhitby-zzzz> ICS wouldn't do it for me for some reason
Mar 08 21:53:36 <rwhitby-zzzz> so the windows session and the colinux session are peers on the network, in the same subnet, instead of one being subsidiary to the other if you use ICS.
Mar 08 21:54:43 <kergoth> i prefer it that way myself
Mar 08 21:54:53 <kergoth> the less packet mangling the better
Mar 08 23:12:43 * perlguru Leaving
Mar 08 23:40:01 <bob_tm-better> rwhitby-away: Suggestion - in Unslung 4, when disk detected, can we unmount /var and /tmp and have them as links to /opt/var and /opt/tmp? It would free up RAM and prevent slug coma.
Mar 08 23:49:16 <glc-work> Put it in a divirsion script on the disk.
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