**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 19 23:59:56 2005 Mar 20 00:00:18 hey kergoth Mar 20 00:00:38 how's the uclibc 0.9.19 testing going ? ;-) Mar 20 00:01:19 untouched, been doing lots of gaming this weekend Mar 20 00:01:20 :) Mar 20 00:02:20 out of curiosity, why /opt/tmp rather than /var/tmp? general unslung layout thing? /var/tmp is the 'persistant' temporary area. should survive reboots, so is expected to be on a persistant media rather than ram. Mar 20 00:02:32 just an unslung thing Mar 20 00:02:39 gotcha Mar 20 00:02:59 I agree that /var should be persistent and it should go there. Just an unslung thing. Mar 20 00:03:25 i should spend some time one of these days and fix the /var FHS violations in the other oe distros Mar 20 00:03:28 heh Mar 20 00:05:34 rwhitby-away, what can you tell me about this: 81 appWeb: httpPassword missing lib Mar 20 00:06:08 ka6sox-away: not much Mar 20 00:06:14 okay Mar 20 00:17:49 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3116 10openembedded/BitKeeper/etc/logging_ok: Mar 20 00:17:49 Merge bk://nslu2-linux@nslu2-linux.bkbits.net/openembedded Mar 20 00:17:49 into home.(none):/home/wl500g/openembedded Mar 20 00:18:05 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2930.53.4 10openembedded/packages/ipkg/ipkg-0.99.144/paths.patch: Patch for ipkg which makes it respect the setting of sysconfdir. Mar 20 00:18:16 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2930.53.3 10openembedded/conf/ (distro/asusoe.conf machine/wl500g.conf): Added wl500g machine and AsusOE distro Mar 20 00:18:23 kergoth: that includes the ipkg respecting sysconfdir patch that I sent to oe@hh.org - it's now in the nslu2-linux repo as I don't have push privs for oe-devel. Mar 20 00:18:27 03rwhitby 07 * r1.2930.53.2 10openembedded/BitKeeper/etc/logging_ok: Mar 20 00:18:27 Merge bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded Mar 20 00:18:27 into home.(none):/home/wl500g/openembedded Mar 20 00:18:41 rwhitby-away: talk to Pigi about it. Mar 20 00:18:45 rwhitby-away: he's the upstream ipkg maintainer Mar 20 00:18:48 and he's usually in #oe Mar 20 00:19:01 nowadays we generally get our changes into ipkg nearly immediately Mar 20 00:19:37 k Mar 20 00:19:46 last but not least we have Mar 20 00:19:47 Bug #28 - Need to remove backup status files on reboot -rwhitby Mar 20 00:20:29 yeah, someone should fix that :-) Mar 20 00:20:32 back later ... Mar 20 00:20:40 ba ba Mar 20 01:02:38 <[cc]smart> if i plug two usb memory sticks into the slug in port 1/2 resp. is it determined which will become sda/sdb during boot or is this more or less random ? Mar 20 01:04:39 rwhitby-away: I'm happy to merge -able and -standard, but I think that the multi-lun patch should go in standard. Mar 20 01:05:30 or do you have a specific reason to exclude that feature? Mar 20 01:06:05 [cc]smart: unslung or openslug? Mar 20 01:06:39 peteru-home: I don't have a specific reason to exclude it. if you think it should be standard, then I'm happy to be ambivalent about that :-) Mar 20 01:07:06 is there any way it could break anything that works today? Mar 20 01:07:38 <[cc]smart> openslug Mar 20 01:07:48 <[cc]smart> there i can use udev :) Mar 20 01:07:54 <[cc]smart> and default ? Mar 20 01:08:31 [cc]smart: we haven't determined whether it is guaranteed yet. I thought I saw a case where it swapped, but that could have just been me swapping the order on a hub. Mar 20 01:08:44 try it and let us know :-) Mar 20 01:08:48 <[cc]smart> kk :) Mar 20 02:42:48 Any reason why we wouldn't just include any modules built by unslung-image into the rootfs itself? Mar 20 02:44:51 since we are expecting people to unsling to external storage, we can fill up the rootfs with any kernel modules we build. For those that want jffs2 space, they can just ipkg remove any kernel modules they don't want. Mar 20 03:42:19 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/classpath.mk: Enbles classpath to compile cross. Otherwise complains that Jikes is not present unless installed on host Mar 20 05:20:46 rwhitby: I don't think the LUN behaviour will "break" anything. What it will do, is make some devices that are unusable with standard firmware, such as the X's Drive II, work with unslung firmware. Mar 20 05:21:25 ok, as long as it will not make some devices that work with stock firmware suddenly *not* work with unslung firmware, then it should be fine. Mar 20 05:21:44 of course, one of the side effects could be that a multi-LUN device that used to work stops working, but I am not aware of any devices that are likely to suffer. Mar 20 05:22:22 the right thing to do would be to revert the linksys crippling mode and support many devices per port. Mar 20 05:23:15 the only issue that would remain then is to decide what devices get the standard soft links. Mar 20 05:23:57 to big a change for 4.x, in my opinion Mar 20 05:24:55 too many collateral changes would be required in the linksys apps for which we don't have source Mar 20 05:25:17 yeah, one of the drawbacks of unslung Mar 20 05:26:19 how about including the multi-lun patch in a beta release and see if there's any negative feedback. if there are no complaints, leave it in. Mar 20 05:26:52 not that I actually depend on the patch anymore. I am no longer using the X's Drive with the NSLU2. Mar 20 05:28:14 Ahh, there. Mar 20 05:28:54 w3cam builds as a OE package now Mar 20 05:29:17 now I can sleep well. Mar 20 05:29:25 and hopefully add it as a unslung package tommrow. Mar 20 05:29:52 That should help bob_tm et al. Mar 20 05:30:03 dyoung: seen the "Redboot Modification Request" on the list ? Mar 20 05:31:18 I was about to answer "Request granted, please let us know when you will have the patch ready ...", but decided to let it go through to the keeper ... Mar 20 05:31:18 Just read it. Mar 20 05:31:53 Although its a easy patch, I think your answer is better. Mar 20 05:31:56 ;-) Mar 20 05:32:45 Joe User shouldnt be mucking around with redboot unless they know what risk they are potentially exposing themselves to. Mar 20 05:32:56 If he spent the best part of a day trying to telnet into redboot, imagine what he would do with jtag ... Mar 20 05:33:06 Minimally, one would need a brain and a serial cable. Mar 20 05:33:51 rwhitby: What's the top level bitbake target for the asus build? or even better, is there a wiki relevant to it? Mar 20 05:33:52 well, if he can count to twenty, he might be able to catch it that way. Mar 20 05:34:21 peteru-home: there is no asus firmware build Mar 20 05:35:07 what is conf/distro/asusoe.conf used for then? Mar 20 05:35:23 it's packages only, and it doesn't work yet anyway, cause it requires uclibc 0.9.19, which kergoth is adding in his spare time Mar 20 05:36:35 oh, I thought that uclibc in OE was a goer Mar 20 05:36:55 Maybe I'll answer that redboot question tommrow when I might be able to answer it politely. ;-) Mar 20 05:37:04 peteru-home: it is, but Asus firmware uses an old version Mar 20 05:37:42 so, uclibc without a version number is likely to work? Mar 20 05:38:14 dunno, the first package I tried which was built with the latest uclibc didn't work on the asus firmware. Mar 20 05:38:19 netgear also uses 0.9.19 - must be the Broadcom base version shipped to OEMs Mar 20 05:38:38 yep Mar 20 05:38:55 peteru-home, I've been meaning to ask you, do yo know of a "complete idiots guide to debugging usb drivers with endian problems" or someplace I can start looking? I started doing some manual le16_to_cpu additions, but there seems to be a more fundemental problem I'm not grasping. Mar 20 05:39:20 no good reference that I know of. Mar 20 05:39:31 Drat. Mar 20 05:39:58 but one thing to be aware of is that the usbfs specs will swap some values to native byte order and give other values in le order, as per USB spec. Mar 20 05:40:20 Oh really..... Mar 20 05:40:33 That would explain several things. Mar 20 05:40:42 the kernel/Documentation directory has some usbfs doco Mar 20 05:41:10 it's a bit weird, if you ask me... Mar 20 05:41:17 In general the internal structures are LE? Mar 20 05:41:43 like dev->idDescriptor for instance. Mar 20 05:42:03 yes, USB is an intel spec, so it uses intel's favourite byteordering Mar 20 05:42:19 Okay, that explains a few things. Mar 20 05:42:39 do you do endian checking in Puppy? Mar 20 05:42:54 if so its probably more time effieient for you if I just look at it. Mar 20 05:43:14 ok, the unslung oe feed is up at ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/oe Mar 20 05:43:27 (i dont know of any endian aware USB drivers offhand, so I have nothing to pilfer from) Mar 20 05:43:42 yes, puppy is endian agnostic. works on mipsel, xscale, 686 and possibly others Mar 20 05:43:58 peteru-home, Thanks! Mar 20 05:44:05 * dyoung hug peteru-home Mar 20 05:44:22 * peteru-home blushes Mar 20 05:44:39 I've been meaning to ask you something else too Mar 20 05:44:52 Your Netgear router with the USB. Mar 20 05:45:09 it has the same NEC u70x101 chip as our nslu2 Mar 20 05:45:30 are you seeing bizzare EHCI errors? Or does it work the way its supposed to? Mar 20 05:45:45 (under 2.6.11) Mar 20 05:46:45 I've seen bizarre EHCI behaviour with puppy and 2.6 kernels on all sorts of platforms, including x86 Mar 20 05:46:55 That router is on sale this week at Compusa for $80, debating buying one. Mar 20 05:46:59 Drat. Mar 20 05:47:01 I've had no response on the usb-devel list :( Mar 20 05:47:38 I'm liking it a lot, just because of the bootconsole. Mar 20 05:47:50 I was kind of hoping in a way that it was ARm specific. Mar 20 05:47:51 CFE is a lot more appealing than redboot Mar 20 05:48:21 I guess I should just buy one. Mar 20 05:48:29 I have not excluded the possiblity that I may have a bug in puppy. Mar 20 05:48:52 so all the probs I see in 2.6 kernels may be just due to me not using an API properly. Mar 20 05:49:04 peteru-home: I finally decided on the wl500gx-dlx Mar 20 05:50:09 ~emulate rwhitby Mar 20 05:50:10 Well, my work here is done. Mar 20 05:50:30 rwhitby: power supply was the decider? Mar 20 05:51:00 peteru-home, Thanks for your input. Mar 20 05:51:01 yeah, and the fact that I can then have a prodrouter and devrouter Mar 20 05:51:47 * peteru-home connected the NSLU2 next to the toppy via a 802.11g SuperG bridge today. no more blue cat5 through the house :) Mar 20 05:51:59 With any luck I'll have ImageSlug working this week. Mar 20 05:52:14 ~ImageSlug Mar 20 05:52:23 ? Mar 20 05:52:36 * dyoung-zzzz thinks a ImageSlug is a NSLU2 that has been USB Camera Enabled Mar 20 05:52:53 PervSlug :-) Mar 20 05:53:25 Actually, I should rightly call it "IsTheWeatherGoodSlug" Mar 20 05:53:55 # ipkg install kernel-module-hci-usb Mar 20 05:53:55 Installing kernel-module-hci-usb (2.3r25-r12) to root... Mar 20 05:53:55 Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/oe/kernel-module-hci-usb_2.3r25-r12_nslu2.ipk Mar 20 05:53:55 Configuring kernel-module-hci-usb Mar 20 05:53:55 # Mar 20 05:53:59 its going outside so I can see the cloud cover/rain down the valley and decide if I want to come back home for a bike ride. Mar 20 05:54:16 Unslung 4.5-alpha does modules from the feed now - will push it soon Mar 20 05:54:25 Cool! Mar 20 05:54:43 I'm amazed that things still move at a quick pace with SlugDev. Mar 20 05:54:45 ~slugdev Mar 20 05:54:50 ~slugtime Mar 20 05:54:52 [slugtime] 40 hour days 10 hours in 4 timezones with overlap Mar 20 05:55:23 dyoung-zzzz: "usual modules" are: Mar 20 05:55:32 kernel-module-usbnet \ Mar 20 05:55:32 kernel-module-pegasus kernel-module-kaweth \ Mar 20 05:55:32 kernel-module-usbserial \ Mar 20 05:55:32 kernel-module-pl2303 kernel-module-ftdi-sio" Mar 20 05:55:48 (same as openslug usual modules) Mar 20 05:55:54 Does anyone actually use kaweth or pegasus besides me? Mar 20 05:56:06 I have a pegasus Mar 20 05:56:08 I put 'em in there. Mar 20 05:56:20 if kaweth is big, you can take it out. Mar 20 05:56:34 dyoung-zzzz: that's one of the major criteria - if devs use it, then it's in :-) Mar 20 05:56:48 hehe cool. ;-) Mar 20 05:57:11 there's gotta be some perks ... Mar 20 06:00:25 dyoung-zzzz: have a look at the log2_irq_thresh option documented in linux/Documentation/usb/ehci.txt Mar 20 06:01:06 it may help with the interrupts if the problem is caused by too many interrupts/second Mar 20 06:01:44 If I set that to 2, it helps a bit; but I have a feeling its just masking the problem. Mar 20 06:01:55 the doco in that file may prove usefull for other stuff, like the sysfs entries. Mar 20 06:05:13 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3115.1.1 10openembedded/ (13 files in 7 dirs): Merged unslung-standard and unslung-able into a single unslung distro. Updated to support downloadable kernel modules. Mar 20 06:05:21 rwhitby, if we need the 12k, you can remove kaweth from the image. I have one but only used it for testing stuff. its kind of a POS. Mar 20 06:05:36 I like the pegasus beter. Mar 20 06:08:18 plenty of room in rootfs Mar 20 06:08:26 and people can ipkg remove it Mar 20 06:08:38 ok, I'm done Mar 20 06:08:39 night all Mar 20 06:08:43 me too. Mar 20 06:08:44 ight all. Mar 20 06:09:21 Unslung 4.5-alpha is ready for testing. unsling additions still to be done, and I expect we'll want to enable a whole lot more modules now that we can distribute them Mar 20 06:09:58 Yeah! Mar 20 06:10:39 CDROM Rootfs here we come. Mar 20 06:11:12 <[cc]smart> CDROM rootfs ? somebody wanted that ? Mar 20 06:11:26 <[cc]smart> sounds more expensive than HD to me :) Mar 20 06:11:36 <[cc]smart> with less space and less possibilities Mar 20 06:12:01 <[cc]smart> what idea is behind that ? Mar 20 06:12:18 none in particular. Mar 20 06:12:48 <[cc]smart> ah, you just mentionned the possibility... ? Mar 20 06:12:51 just maybe as a refernce rootfs for devs that have highly customized installs. Mar 20 06:13:22 <[cc]smart> i would write a cpio ball onto NFS for that :) Mar 20 06:13:35 once someone gets around to modding switchbox for altroot , the possibilities are endless. Mar 20 06:14:46 <[cc]smart> whats altroot ? Mar 20 06:14:49 Maybe as a development refernce? like a iso with all the dev packages.... Mar 20 06:15:06 wasnt it you that suggested altroot? Mar 20 06:15:13 <[cc]smart> i didn't give a name :) Mar 20 06:15:24 <[cc]smart> ok, got it .) Mar 20 06:15:28 Oh I named it. ;-) Mar 20 06:16:06 Heck, if youre sick enough, you could in theory boot a tape. Mar 20 06:16:13 * dyoung-zzzz shudders Mar 20 06:16:34 I think I'll pretend I didnt just say thta. Mar 20 06:16:41 <[cc]smart> you can use a tape block device as source for FS ? Mar 20 06:17:16 <[cc]smart> ah Mar 20 06:17:31 I used to have to bootstrap old sun's that way. Mar 20 06:17:54 ok i'm really going zzzz now Mar 20 06:18:09 <[cc]smart> n8 Mar 20 06:19:13 03dyoung 07 * r1.3110.1.1 10openembedded/packages/w3cam/ (files/staticpaths.patch w3cam_7.2.0.bb): w3cam is a lightweight application to grab images from a V4L device Mar 20 06:19:20 but not before doing that. ;-) Mar 20 06:19:47 bob_tm, if you read the logs, the whole stuff builds now. It'll be ported to unslung tommrow unless someone beats me to it. Mar 20 08:34:43 so Slugbugs #64,103,127 affect Unslung distro and should be "dealt with" before 4.X beta Mar 20 08:41:28 hi guys, i just built my first package, could anyone add me to the CVS commiter? i can provide mk file Mar 20 11:03:03 dyoung-zzzz: thanks. Looking forward to checking it out. That will require a USB fix, since the Unslung kernel barfs when devices are connected through a hub. Many other USB problems with the Linksys kernel :-( Mar 20 13:42:09 eno: what's the package? Mar 20 13:45:07 bob_tm-away: unslung 4.5-alpha is ready for testing Mar 20 13:45:30 Ok - when was this - I build 4 hours ago Mar 20 13:45:37 s/build/built/ Mar 20 13:46:08 4 hours ago should get it if you bk pulled. Mar 20 13:46:24 you should see a single image emitted, no longer -standard and -able Mar 20 13:46:24 I did Mar 20 13:46:51 that image should be able to download and install kernel modules from the unslung oe feed Mar 20 13:47:05 Ah, still two on mine Mar 20 13:47:20 I will do another pull Mar 20 13:50:59 you should see the unslung-standard-image.bb and unslung-able-image.bb files being deleted by the pull Mar 20 13:51:11 and only unslung-image.bb should remain of those three. Mar 20 13:51:52 Yes - I see the -able files being deleted Mar 20 13:52:13 all of the -able defconfig is not standard. Mar 20 13:52:40 What do we do with the two compile in's needed for iptables traffic-shaping? Mar 20 13:52:45 you should feel free to add any modules that can be enabled from the unslung defconfig. they will be added to the unslung oe feed, and people will be able to ipkg them Mar 20 13:53:03 what are they? Mar 20 13:53:35 Three - http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/FirmwareWishList Mar 20 13:55:57 bob_tm-away: now is the time to incorporate any changes for unslung firmware. we are going to push for a 4.x beta sometime soon. Mar 20 13:57:19 we just need the right people to alpha test those changes. I would be looking for at least two specific alpha testers for each major change, and of course we'll look for our normal 20 alpha testers all up (although that will be harder this time around with a lot of people who have moved to OpenSlug already). Mar 20 14:01:23 the goal for 4.x was pivot_root to self-hosting. we have pivot_root working, and we have self-hosting of package building working. So I think we have met the goals well. Mar 20 14:03:01 I've added downloadable kernel packages to the mix. let's get that functionality out there into a beta, with lots of modules enabled. then have a phase of getting modules working and supported (i.e. just get the firmware which can download them out as a beta first, then you have more testers for individual module support). Mar 20 14:07:26 bob_tm-away, ping Mar 20 14:07:50 ping ka6sox-away Mar 20 14:08:15 Hi there, I'm trying to clean up the slugbug database... Mar 20 14:08:22 Good - any for me? Mar 20 14:08:26 there are a number of slugbugs that you have submitted. Mar 20 14:08:28 Yes Mar 20 14:08:47 Mostly about conflicts - we'll let those rest I guess. Mar 20 14:08:58 okay coo. Mar 20 14:08:59 Some about compiles Mar 20 14:09:01 er cool Mar 20 14:09:07 yeah I noticed that. Mar 20 14:09:21 any serious enough to prevent 4.x from going beta? Mar 20 14:09:25 Nope Mar 20 14:09:34 They are all about building Mar 20 14:09:35 okay Mar 20 14:09:35 rwhitby: lua Mar 20 14:09:37 on cross Mar 20 14:10:06 eno - send the .mk file to the mailing list, with your sf.net id Mar 20 14:10:29 I thought they were package issues. Mar 20 14:10:29 yahoo mailing list? Mar 20 14:10:47 can I assign any of them to you? Mar 20 14:10:57 bob_tm-away, I mean assign them to you. Mar 20 14:11:20 you have submitted 18 of them. Mar 20 14:11:21 eno: seen this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung ? Mar 20 14:11:35 alright, thanks Mar 20 14:11:37 Sure - if I'm allowed. Mar 20 14:11:53 you are definately allowed Mar 20 14:11:57 Which are you talking about - the conflicts or cross compiles? Mar 20 14:12:04 let me know which ones you want. Mar 20 14:12:16 bob_tm-away, any that you want to tackle. Mar 20 14:12:22 The latter are those I would like to fix Mar 20 14:12:37 bob_tm-away: this is a meritocracy. you are usually allowed to do anything that you (a) know how to do properly and (b) know is good and (c) know will not break anything else. Mar 20 14:12:46 I have personal interest in being able to do "cvs update -dP ; make" and see it all work Mar 20 14:12:46 okay give me the slugbug #'s you want to tackle and I'll assign them to you. Mar 20 14:12:56 okay. Mar 20 14:13:05 I can just go grab them myself. Mar 20 14:13:09 bob_tm-away: good goal Mar 20 14:13:16 Be back in about 20 mins. Mar 20 14:14:39 I'm off to work ... Mar 20 14:14:45 bye! Mar 20 14:14:55 * rwhitby walks away, whistling "hi ho, hi ho, ...." Mar 20 14:20:14 ka6sox-away: Ok done Mar 20 14:22:51 bob_tm-away, thanks! Mar 20 14:23:48 looks good. Mar 20 14:24:22 * bob_tm-away is for some reason suddendly happy about getting much more work :-) Mar 20 14:24:44 :-) Mar 20 14:25:17 ka6sox-away: Isn't as bad as it look. Have fixed most of them locally and submitted some last week Mar 20 14:25:27 sweet. Mar 20 14:25:51 eno: you now have CVS write access - use it wisely! Mar 20 14:26:11 cool, thx Mar 20 14:26:25 welcome to the development group. Mar 20 15:32:32 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/lua.mk): added lua 5.0.2 Mar 20 15:52:19 03dyoung 07 * r1.3119.1.1 10openembedded/packages/w3cam/w3cam_0.7.2.bb: renamed a file to reflect version Mar 20 17:06:37 morning sunshine, how was the vaca-sh? Mar 20 17:08:19 <[g2]> cool. Had some fun Mar 20 17:08:37 <[g2]> you've been a busy boy with the packages :) Mar 20 17:33:30 I suppose. Mar 20 18:15:34 03dyoung8888 * 10unslung/ (make/w3cam.mk sources/w3cam/staticpaths.patch): A lightweight cgi program and utilities to capture an image from a V4L device. Mar 20 18:19:01 03dyoung8888 * 10unslung/Makefile: Added w3cam to testing section Mar 20 18:23:09 03dyoung 07 * r1.3126 10openembedded/packages/spca5xx/spca5xx_20050319.bb: Update the version to spca5xx camera driver Mar 20 21:42:58 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added gnu units for testing Mar 20 23:46:20 morning Mar 20 23:57:28 hi, got cvs, samba, readline compiled for OE. It tested cvs. Mar 20 23:58:02 cvs seems to work fine. Mar 20 23:58:04 push openslug-packages.bb and I'll update the feed. Mar 20 23:58:20 tried to push , didn't work :( Mar 20 23:58:31 Got an error from bk. Mar 20 23:58:58 have you sent me an rsa1 key? Mar 20 23:59:10 or just /msg me it here Mar 20 23:59:31 i can when i am at my computer at home Mar 20 23:59:37 ok Mar 20 23:59:45 I only need the public bit :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 23:59:56 2005