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Mar 24 00:00:25 <siddy> hm... we would gain compatability with my beloved debian-distro, but that would be about all, I guess. ;)
Mar 24 00:01:13 <siddy> I'd say, let's stick with big endian. Never change a running system! ;)
Mar 24 00:04:17 <siddy> btw: what's the current-status of the amd64-opensluggers? Does image-creation work for them atm?
Mar 24 00:04:43 <siddy> I hope, I will join them in some days... :-D
Mar 24 00:14:59 <perlguru> I am running openslug now (which is build on my AMD64)
Mar 24 00:18:12 <siddy> cool, so it seems to work... ;) man, I'm desperately waiting for this piece of hardware, about 6 more days and it'll be mine!
Mar 24 00:18:55 * siddy is impatient
Mar 24 00:19:24 <perlguru> siddy, 'this'??
Mar 24 00:20:12 <siddy> my new amd64-system
Mar 24 00:20:54 <perlguru> cool.
Mar 24 00:28:07 <perlguru> mmm, i just did a ssh-keygen on the slug and the passphrase was echoed! bad. security risc. red alert! ;)
Mar 24 00:38:43 <dyoung> has anyone updated openssh in unslung packages to 4.0 yet?
Mar 24 01:28:59 <rwhitby> nope
Mar 24 01:47:06 <dyoung> Wow, I just found out I have a 2nd DIMM Socket in this T42.
Mar 24 01:47:20 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/libtopfield.mk: Added libtopfield - untested
Mar 24 01:55:50 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/ftpd-topfield.mk: ftp-topfield - builds, but not tested
Mar 24 02:22:57 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/telnetd: Initial check-in of telnetd config file
Mar 24 02:50:17 * dyoung mumbles more obscenenities
Mar 24 05:55:07 <CIA-1> 03febertra * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
Mar 24 05:55:08 <CIA-1> Added package "byRequest", a TiVo HMO server. This package compiles
Mar 24 05:55:08 <CIA-1> the latest "byRequest" sources found in the CVS repository at
Mar 24 05:55:08 <CIA-1> sourceforge. Images can not be served, as it requires "Imagemagick"
Mar 24 05:55:08 <CIA-1> but MP3 work all right.
Mar 24 05:55:12 <ByronT-Away> dyoung, that socket is a PITA to get to
Mar 24 05:56:15 <ByronT-Away> I ordered my T42 with minimal mem.. and upgraded right away to to 512MB sticks... getting the keybd off was scary
Mar 24 06:07:59 <CIA-1> 03febertra * 10unslung/Makefile: Added "byRequest" to the "ready to test" list.
Mar 24 07:24:10 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: PackagingBestPractices updated.
Mar 24 07:26:01 * perlguru Leaving
Mar 24 09:31:44 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/proftpd.xinetd: Renamed file
Mar 24 09:47:12 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/rc.xinetd.proftpd: Removed support for Linksys inetd
Mar 24 09:49:27 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/inetd.conf.proftpd: Removed support for inetutils inetd
Mar 24 09:50:13 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/proftpd: Renamed xinetd config file
Mar 24 10:39:41 <VoodooZ_Work> OT: I added the -pg option to my CFLAGS in my makefile to get profiling output but when I run the binary I don't get the gmon.out. any ideas?
Mar 24 10:40:13 <kergoth> the binary being stripped?
Mar 24 10:40:32 <kergoth> if you're doing builds in oe, read local.conf.sample, it tells you how to build something for profiling with oe
Mar 24 10:40:34 <VoodooZ_Work> uh? I don't think so
Mar 24 10:40:41 <kergoth> should work fine then
Mar 24 10:40:42 <kergoth> dunno
Mar 24 10:40:44 <VoodooZ_Work> actually, I'm testing it on my portable for now.
Mar 24 10:40:46 <kergoth> its always worked fine for me
Mar 24 10:40:58 <VoodooZ_Work> what's the option for stip?
Mar 24 10:41:04 <VoodooZ_Work> strip even
Mar 24 10:41:11 <kergoth> ?
Mar 24 10:41:15 <VoodooZ_Work> Perhaps my makefile is doing it.
Mar 24 10:41:20 <kergoth> option?
Mar 24 10:41:26 <VoodooZ_Work> command line argument
Mar 24 10:41:30 <kergoth> ?
Mar 24 10:41:42 <kergoth> 'strip' is a command.  i dont understand the question
Mar 24 10:41:47 <VoodooZ_Work> ok, what did you mean by your stripped question int he first place?
Mar 24 10:41:58 <kergoth> i meant what i said.
Mar 24 10:42:26 <VoodooZ_Work> let me check check my makefile then.
Mar 24 10:42:55 <kergoth> make sure there's no '-s' in the LDFLAGS, as that's how you strip at link/compile time.
Mar 24 10:43:00 <VoodooZ_Work> I tried using -g also but still no output.
Mar 24 10:43:10 <VoodooZ_Work> ah! that's what I was wondering about.
Mar 24 10:43:12 <kergoth> and make sure the calls to 'install' in your install target arent using its -s option, which calls out strip when installing.
Mar 24 10:43:22 <VoodooZ_Work> nod
Mar 24 10:43:40 <VoodooZ_Work> It's a home-made makefile so there's just the basics.
Mar 24 10:43:46 <kergoth> gotcha
Mar 24 10:44:28 <VoodooZ_Work> work is kind of slow this afternoon so I thought I'd learn how to use gprof to further optimize my CV code.
Mar 24 10:44:41 <kergoth> cool. its a useful tool
Mar 24 10:44:44 <VoodooZ_Work> yep.
Mar 24 10:44:51 <VoodooZ_Work> did you start your new job yet?
Mar 24 10:44:57 <kergoth> i dont have a new job yet :)
Mar 24 10:45:02 <VoodooZ_Work> oops. 
Mar 24 10:45:16 <VoodooZ_Work> Sorry, I just knew you were leaving the old one and assumed.
Mar 24 10:45:27 <VoodooZ_Work> Just doing some recreational coding for a while ? :)
Mar 24 10:45:46 <kergoth> dont want to take another coding job and find myself in this same unhappy unproductive crappy position a year from now
Mar 24 10:45:58 <kergoth> going to take a few months, do some consulting, do some work for a friend of mine, to pay the bills
Mar 24 10:46:04 <kergoth> try to figure out what i -want- to be doing
Mar 24 10:47:35 <giel> maybe you should be ic designer
Mar 24 10:47:39 <VoodooZ_Work> that's the right thing to do.
Mar 24 10:47:58 <VoodooZ_Work> You look like you were working pretty hard there so take it easy and enjoy the summer.
Mar 24 10:48:06 <giel> drive your crossfire :)
Mar 24 10:48:19 <kergoth> going back to MN, since i own a townhouse there.  stay with my dad in that, cut the expenses
Mar 24 10:48:22 <kergoth> hehe
Mar 24 10:48:30 <ByronT> drink lots of beer
Mar 24 10:48:32 <kergoth> VoodooZ_Work: you see that article about the coder that became a -bicycle messenger-?
Mar 24 10:48:35 <giel> i know i'll be driving my convertible a lot this summer
Mar 24 10:48:36 <kergoth> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/3/19/133129/548
Mar 24 10:48:36 <giel> :)
Mar 24 10:48:46 <VoodooZ_Work> eh? no.
Mar 24 10:49:16 <VoodooZ_Work> damn right! I can't wait to take my bike out. It's like 7 degrees celsius today so next weekend for sure.
Mar 24 10:49:27 <giel> biking is nice
Mar 24 10:49:34 <VoodooZ_Work> motorcycling actually.
Mar 24 10:49:38 <giel> ah
Mar 24 10:49:54 <giel> well, i had this nice bike, but all i've got now is a bunch of parts
Mar 24 10:49:54 <giel> :)
Mar 24 10:51:05 <VoodooZ_Work> kergoth: nope. I don't have any -s in my makefile unfortunately. 
Mar 24 10:51:14 <kergoth> well, i'm out of ideas then
Mar 24 10:51:14 <kergoth> heh
Mar 24 10:51:18 <VoodooZ_Work> my CFLAGS = -O0 -pg
Mar 24 10:51:25 <VoodooZ_Work> ok. thanks anyways.
Mar 24 10:52:45 <VoodooZ_Work> I'll read the gcc man page to see if there's some special option.
Mar 24 10:54:05 <VoodooZ_Work> eureka!! 
Mar 24 10:54:25 <VoodooZ_Work> the man page says you need to use the -pg option for both compiler and linker! works
Mar 24 11:01:58 <kergoth> congrats
Mar 24 11:02:37 <VoodooZ_Work> very insightful stuff in there!
Mar 24 11:02:52 <VoodooZ_Work> Any recommendation as to GUI for reading gmon.out?
Mar 24 11:02:59 <VoodooZ_Work> I have found Kprof.
Mar 24 11:03:26 <VoodooZ_Work> Not a necessity but could be useful.
Mar 24 11:03:44 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/xinetd.reload: Initial check-in - utility to reload xinet configs
Mar 24 11:36:52 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/prerm: Inital check-in
Mar 24 11:42:18 <VoodooZ_Work> kergoth: kprof is pretty nice actually.
Mar 24 11:42:47 <VoodooZ_Work> but then again, I know you're a CLI purist! :)
Mar 24 11:57:26 <kergoth> hehe. guis have their place.  sometimes its nice to visualize.  graphs of function call flow for example
Mar 24 12:02:41 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: You removed the xinetd pidfile? Any special reason?
Mar 24 12:07:03 <giel> i like gnuplot for visualization
Mar 24 12:10:19 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/postinst: Rewrote doc to match new setup
Mar 24 12:12:04 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/xinetd.reload: Rewrote to work without pid file
Mar 24 12:30:45 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/telnetd: Changed service name
Mar 24 12:32:58 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: I didn't intend to remove the pid file ...
Mar 24 12:33:30 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Ok - S10xinetd had all options removed. Never mind - I coded around it.
Mar 24 12:33:38 <bob_tm-away> Do you think we need it?
Mar 24 12:35:14 <rwhitby> I thought I only removed the -f option, cause that's compiled in with the right path now.
Mar 24 12:39:29 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: should we put nsswitch.conf in the base firmware?
Mar 24 12:40:37 <bob_tm-away> Yes - I thought we had, but maybe it was just among my backed up rootfs files
Mar 24 12:48:55 <rwhitby> what's the minimum nsswitch.conf contents that we need?
Mar 24 12:50:06 <rwhitby> e.g. we don't have shadow
Mar 24 12:51:05 <rwhitby> or rpc, or ethers, or netmasks, or netgroups, or bootparams, or automount, or aliases.
Mar 24 12:51:28 <rwhitby> passwd:      compat
Mar 24 12:51:29 <rwhitby> group:       compat
Mar 24 12:51:29 <rwhitby> hosts:       files dns
Mar 24 12:51:29 <rwhitby> networks:    files dns
Mar 24 12:51:29 <rwhitby> services:    files
Mar 24 12:51:30 <rwhitby> protocols:   files
Mar 24 12:51:47 <rwhitby> anything else which should go in there?
Mar 24 12:55:08 <rwhitby> one of the packages already adds an nsswitch.conf just for hosts - apache perhaps?
Mar 24 12:55:50 <caplink811-away> rwhitby: apache, yes
Mar 24 12:56:10 <rwhitby> does it look to see if there is one there already?
Mar 24 12:56:10 <caplink811-away> rwhitby: but with minimum -> hosts: files dns
Mar 24 12:56:37 <caplink811-away> rwhitby: dunno, jp30 maintain it
Mar 24 12:58:57 <rwhitby> ah, good, rc.apache checks first.
Mar 24 12:59:35 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3164.1.1 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (unslung-rootfs_2.3r25.bb unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/nsswitch.conf): Added /etc/nsswitch.conf to Unslung rootfs
Mar 24 12:59:41 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: there you go :-)
Mar 24 13:00:02 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Happy, happy
Mar 24 13:01:07 <rwhitby> SlugBug#26 closed :-)
Mar 24 13:01:46 <ka6sox-office> :-)
Mar 24 13:02:11 <rwhitby> Now, what about this samba rc file error (SlugBug#127) - anyone know anything about that?
Mar 24 13:14:33 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/xinetd.reload: killall did not have modern syntax, so signal is not argument to -s
Mar 24 13:15:36 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/xinetd.mk: Now installs telnet service, does without pidfile and has reload util
Mar 24 13:31:04 <caplink811-away> good evening, sorry for posting here, but on #nslu2-general it's quite this evening
Mar 24 13:31:30 <caplink811-away> the docs o wiki are a little conflictive about te question
Mar 24 13:32:06 <caplink811-away> if i have a setup with only one usb memory stick, which i want to unsling, should i use port 1 or port 2?
Mar 24 13:33:09 <caplink811-away> the howto refers to port 2, the fax (13) to port 1!?
Mar 24 13:33:48 <rwhitby> port 1 if you want it to be ext3
Mar 24 13:34:02 <caplink811-away> thx
Mar 24 13:34:10 <rwhitby> where does it say port 2 ?
Mar 24 13:35:01 <rwhitby> (so we can fix it)
Mar 24 13:35:53 <caplink811-away> nope, sorry, did a misreading, the howto refers also to port one
Mar 24 13:37:48 <rwhitby> and it will need to be 256MB or larger to format as ext3
Mar 24 13:38:54 <caplink811-away> thats np, this guy use a gig-stick
Mar 24 13:40:07 <rwhitby> if it's a gig or larger, then it would also be recognised as ext3 in port 2.
Mar 24 13:41:24 <ByronT-Away> the README has a statement to that effect (about flash reqs)
Mar 24 13:45:18 <caplink811-away> ByronT-Away: Unslung-3.18-beta-README.txt ? be my guide, didn't found anything 
Mar 24 13:45:42 <ByronT-Away> one sec
Mar 24 13:46:19 <caplink811-away> ByronT-Away: no bustle pls
Mar 24 13:46:44 <ka6sox-office> a little hustle wouldn't hurt though.
Mar 24 13:47:26 <dyoung> so whats the story with imagemagick?
Mar 24 13:47:30 <dyoung> and why does it work for me?
Mar 24 13:47:58 <ByronT-Away> Pre-Installation Considerations Point #4
Mar 24 13:48:05 <ByronT-Away> http://www.toddcomp.com/NSLU2/README.txt
Mar 24 13:48:35 <ByronT-Away> that is the latest.... and is the one in the Repo (but not the one in the zip file or single file at sf.net)
Mar 24 13:50:44 <rwhitby> dyoung: dunno - asked Brian on the list
Mar 24 13:51:07 <rwhitby> It's a bit strange to say that something is broken, but not say how ....
Mar 24 13:51:24 <dyoung> oh well, someone else can fix it.  I'm tired of fixing it when it works for me.
Mar 24 13:52:08 <dyoung> What I'm thinking is the byRequest requires the netpbm stuff.
Mar 24 13:52:18 <dyoung> which is busted.
Mar 24 13:52:34 <dyoung> and therefore imagemagick doesnt/cant depend it.
Mar 24 13:53:02 <caplink811-away> ByronT-Away: thx
Mar 24 13:55:25 <ByronT-Away> np
Mar 24 13:56:45 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: what is ftp-sensor?
Mar 24 13:57:30 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: It is nice - it is a service detector. You can use it to trap intrusion attempts and block their IP for a specified period of time.
Mar 24 13:57:41 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: can we call files by <foo>.conf in /opt/etc/xinetd.d/.. ?
Mar 24 13:57:49 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: It is disabled
Mar 24 13:57:54 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Yes
Mar 24 13:57:59 <rwhitby> e.g. s/telnetd/telnetd.conf/ ?
Mar 24 13:58:00 <bob_tm-away> Anything
Mar 24 13:58:13 <bob_tm-away> I suggested just the package basename
Mar 24 13:58:21 <rwhitby> basename.conf please
Mar 24 13:58:32 <bob_tm-away> Only restriction is that it cant start with "." or end with "~"
Mar 24 13:58:44 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Ok
Mar 24 13:58:50 <rwhitby> yep, neither can our package basenames :-)
Mar 24 13:58:57 <bob_tm-away> :-)
Mar 24 14:02:00 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/postinst: Added another line of explanation to the postinst.
Mar 24 14:12:45 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: passwd: compat stops openssh from working.  Changing it to "files" (same for group)
Mar 24 14:13:26 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Ok - I'm a Dropbear man, so I've never encountered it.
Mar 24 14:16:47 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3170 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (unslung-rootfs_2.3r25.bb unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/nsswitch.conf): Fixed the nsswitch.conf for Unslung
Mar 24 14:18:16 <rwhitby> dyoung: we want to remove the 'oe' repo too right?  (I've removed the unslung-4.x branch repos which have now been subsumed into the mainline)
Mar 24 14:18:28 <dyoung> Right, thats deprecated
Mar 24 14:18:55 <rwhitby> ok, they're done
Mar 24 14:19:13 <dyoung> we can make unslung-dev again later if we need it.
Mar 24 14:19:20 <rwhitby> yeah
Mar 24 14:22:37 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Not 100% happy with basename.conf as xinetd file name. It is contrary to tradition and more important: For most such packages there will be two files called basename.conf
Mar 24 14:23:07 <rwhitby> ok, no problem - let's go with what you are comfortable with
Mar 24 14:23:19 <bob_tm-away> I will
Mar 24 14:26:34 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: we could potentially make S10xinetd kill both xinetd and inetd processes - then the user wouldn't have to do it
Mar 24 14:27:05 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: I thought about it. Maybe that is better than a diversion script?
Mar 24 14:27:25 <rwhitby> since we now enable telnetd by default, then I think it is
Mar 24 14:27:51 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Did a complete brushup of inetutils. Inetd still in there, but will do xinet drop-ins for all servers once we make the break
Mar 24 14:28:03 <rwhitby> would save the step of manual initiation, and the confusion on where to put the diversion script
Mar 24 14:28:03 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Will you make the change?
Mar 24 14:28:23 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Fine by me. 
Mar 24 14:28:38 <rwhitby> nope - you're the maintainer :-)
Mar 24 14:28:42 <bob_tm-away> :-D
Mar 24 14:28:44 <rwhitby> (unless you want me to)
Mar 24 14:29:08 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Otherwise I wouldn't have asked. I'm reaching my concurrent thoughts limit
Mar 24 14:30:17 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/S10xinetd: Now stops other inetd processes.
Mar 24 14:30:56 <bob_tm-away> \o/
Mar 24 14:31:31 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/postinst: Postinst now starts xinetd by default with no user intervention required.
Mar 24 14:32:00 <rwhitby> Should the prerm restart the stock inetd?
Mar 24 14:32:56 <ByronT-Away> unslung 4.x - telnet is enabled by default?
Mar 24 14:33:49 <rwhitby> no, xinetd - telnet is enabled by default
Mar 24 14:34:15 <rwhitby> we should just go ahead and advise people to ipkg install xinetd immediately after unslinging
Mar 24 14:34:33 <rwhitby> that will give them telnetd, and also set them up for other packages to follow
Mar 24 14:34:54 <ByronT-Away> README note above
Mar 24 14:34:54 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: I'll make prerm run /etc/rc.d/rc.xinetd to restart the stock inetd.
Mar 24 14:35:05 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Eh... yeah... can't think of a good reason why not.
Mar 24 14:35:09 <ByronT-Away> ^ that was for my local IRC logs....
Mar 24 14:36:01 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/xinetd/prerm: Now restarts stock inetd if xinetd is removed.
Mar 24 14:36:41 <ByronT-Away> btw, bob_tm-away, if you want to make a suggestion for the READMEs while in channel... just do that... put "README note above" on a line and I'll catch it with my search mechanism
Mar 24 14:37:15 <bob_tm-away> Good idea - will try to keep it in mind
Mar 24 14:37:47 <ByronT-Away> yahoo desktop search is really nice (compared to google's offering)
Mar 24 14:39:12 <rwhitby> really?  what's better?
Mar 24 14:39:20 <bob_tm-away> ByronT-Away: I hear this. My relationship with Yahoo is a bit strained because of their password paranoia
Mar 24 14:39:53 <ByronT-Away> the yahoo desktop search is X1 search
Mar 24 14:40:17 * rwhitby has no idea what "X1 search" is ....
Mar 24 14:40:47 <ByronT-Away> http://www.x1.com/
Mar 24 14:41:06 <ByronT-Away> but yahoo desktop search does the same thing minus some features (network drive searching)
Mar 24 14:41:31 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Modified xinetd to start automatically, removed diversion script, renamed S10xinetd to rc.xinetd in the sources, and also marked the ipk as 'required' now :-)
Mar 24 14:42:32 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: you may want to review those changes ... :-)
Mar 24 14:42:42 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Will do
Mar 24 14:43:04 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Did I explain the sensor function in xinetd clearly? Think of it as tcp_wrappers with timelimited black list
Mar 24 14:43:48 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Move ssh to some other port, do sensor on port 22 and all IP's trying that port will be black listed
Mar 24 14:43:58 <rwhitby> yeah
Mar 24 14:44:39 <ByronT-Away> rwhitby, yahoo desktop searches EVERYTHING, whereas google search only searches known file types (and only the first MB of text files)
Mar 24 14:46:29 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: I think todays changes have taken Unsling a huge step forward as far as inetd processing goes.  Now users can install packages which depend on xinetd without any manual steps.
Mar 24 14:47:03 <rwhitby> bbiab
Mar 24 14:47:17 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Yes - I believe it makes it much more user friendly.
Mar 24 14:48:49 <rwhitby> I'm almost tempted to make it part of the base firmware ....
Mar 24 14:49:07 <rwhitby> but no, let's keep it in /opt
Mar 24 14:49:22 <rwhitby> just make lots of things depend on it :-)
Mar 24 14:56:18 <rwhitby> ok, just tested the changeover from inetd to xinetd and back again - all seems to work as expected
Mar 24 14:56:24 <rwhitby> back later
Mar 24 15:07:29 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/inetutils/control: Retired control file - now auto generated
Mar 24 15:09:29 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/inetutils.mk: Executables now stripped. Generates control file. Added talk client with ncurses
Mar 24 15:13:02 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Very good. We have one BIG thing to deal with - making Unslung properly multiuser - going through modes and owners of package files etc. I suspect it to be a mess.
Mar 24 15:30:12 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 24 15:31:59 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/SetupFtpd
Mar 24 15:32:46 <rwhitby> yep
Mar 24 15:33:06 <bob_tm-away> I will make a similar note for Inetutils inetd
Mar 24 15:33:06 <rwhitby> install: cannot stat `/home/unslung/packages/sources/proftpd/rc.xinetd.proftpd': No such file or directory
Mar 24 15:33:16 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: error in proftpd-ipk
Mar 24 15:33:17 <bob_tm-away> Argh
Mar 24 15:33:51 <rwhitby> BTW, I usually call the startup script rc.foo in the source directory, and then install it as SXXfoo
Mar 24 15:34:20 <bob_tm-away> Haven't check in the mk file yet
Mar 24 15:34:22 <rwhitby> perhaps we can add that to the best practices, just to be consistent across all the packages
Mar 24 15:35:48 <rwhitby> then changing the XX of the startup script ordering is only in one place ...
Mar 24 15:36:22 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/proftpd.mk: Added xinetd config file as direct drop-in. Removed support for Inetutils and Linksys inetd's
Mar 24 15:37:03 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: Will check that nothing is uncomitted in source/proftpd
Mar 24 15:39:22 <CIA-1> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/proftpd/proftpd-install.doc: Rewrote to reflect that we install xinetd support and have dropped support for Linksys and Inetutils inetd
Mar 24 15:39:36 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: That's it. I have not yet put in conflict with vsftp or dependency/recommendent dependency on xinetd.
Mar 24 15:39:46 <bob_tm-away> s/or/and/ - oh, I'm tired
Mar 24 15:39:48 <rwhitby> bob_tm-away: so does proftpd start automatically on installation now?
Mar 24 15:40:21 <rwhitby> (e.g. does it kill -HUP xinetd?)
Mar 24 15:40:29 <bob_tm-away> No, you must type xinetd.reload.
Mar 24 15:40:44 <bob_tm-away> In between the user should edit proftpd.conf
Mar 24 15:41:00 <bob_tm-away> Maybe we should find a nice defaults for that file?
Mar 24 15:41:17 <bob_tm-away> Note that xinetd.reload is in the latest xinetd only
Mar 24 15:41:34 <rwhitby> yeah.  apart from the reload (which the proftpd postinst could do) it started fine for me
Mar 24 15:42:03 <rwhitby> dependencies can be version-based - so crosstools-native.control
Mar 24 15:42:19 <bob_tm-away> Ah, nice!
Mar 24 15:42:35 <bob_tm-away> This "recommended dependency" or whatever you called it - what is that?
Mar 24 15:42:36 <rwhitby> s/so/see/
Mar 24 15:42:40 <bob_tm-away> Got it
Mar 24 15:42:55 <bob_tm-away> Is the user prompted?
Mar 24 15:42:56 <rwhitby> Instead of "Depends:" you put "Recommends:"
Mar 24 15:43:13 <rwhitby> According to kergoth, it installs by default, but can be removed too
Mar 24 15:43:20 <rwhitby> I haven't tried it myself.
Mar 24 15:43:44 <bob_tm-away> Ah, nice one. Will put it in tomorrow. Gonna go sleep now.
Mar 24 15:43:56 <kergoth`bbl> Suggests is the one that just tells the user they should install it, but doesnt do it automatically
Mar 24 15:44:08 <rwhitby> proftpd can just "killall -HUP xinetd" - postinsts should do that directly instead of relying on an xinetd.reload convenience script.
Mar 24 15:44:08 <kergoth`bbl> Recommends installs automatically, but that package can be removced without uninstalling the one that recommended it
Mar 24 15:44:35 <bob_tm-away> kergoth`bbl: Are there any types of "weak conflict" that warns users?
Mar 24 15:45:06 <rwhitby> maybe "Discouraged:" :-)
Mar 24 15:45:16 <bob_tm-away> Nice one
Mar 24 15:45:32 <kergoth`bbl> no.  either something conflicts with something else or it doesnt
Mar 24 15:45:37 <rwhitby> that's probably not a real directive - I just made it up :-)
Mar 24 15:45:40 <kergoth`bbl> read the debian packaging policy manual
Mar 24 15:45:43 <kergoth`bbl> ipkg follows that
Mar 24 15:45:51 <bob_tm-away> Will do - tomorrow
Mar 24 15:45:58 <rwhitby> night bob_tm-away
Mar 24 15:46:07 <rwhitby> thanks for your help today
Mar 24 15:46:08 <bob_tm-away> BTW: Gonna have a Synology DS-101 hacking party tomorrow
Mar 24 15:46:23 <bob_tm-away> rwhitby: thanks
Mar 24 15:48:20 <rwhitby-away> eno: nice job on the new packages
Mar 24 15:51:20 <rwhitby-away> hey [g2]
Mar 24 15:52:36 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, hi!
Mar 24 15:53:13 <rwhitby-away> any leaps forward on OpenSlug?
Mar 24 15:53:36 <rwhitby-away> we've just put a new inetd infrastructure in unslung so packages can just drop things into /opt/etc/xinetd.d/...
Mar 24 15:53:38 <[g2]> I've kinda been in hw hell the past day and a half
Mar 24 15:54:07 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, sounds cool
Mar 24 15:54:37 <[g2]> I've notice a little bit, but I'm still testing the hw due to the power outage the other day
Mar 24 15:55:01 <[g2]> I think the disk crashed and hosed up a spot in the .ccache
Mar 24 15:55:15 <[g2]> which would segfault and lockup the system
Mar 24 15:55:44 <[g2]> I've got like 5 cache files that I can't erase (even as su)
Mar 24 15:55:54 <[g2]> but they are movable :)
Mar 24 15:57:13 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/diffutils.mk: Fixed the clean target.
Mar 24 16:00:40 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, wanna hear something funny ?
Mar 24 16:00:51 <rwhitby-away> always :-)
Mar 24 16:01:17 <[g2]> so I'm trying to debug my hw due to the lock-ups right
Mar 24 16:02:01 <[g2]> and one think I did was nfs mount can copy the openslug build directories over to another box that was booted with knoppix
Mar 24 16:02:27 <[g2]> so I say.... hmmmm I'll try a bb and see how far it gets .....
Mar 24 16:03:14 <[g2]> well, the short story is that except for running a little slow, (no psyco, utils on the CD) everythings but cpio builds
Mar 24 16:03:50 <rwhitby-away> yep, that's not surprising
Mar 24 16:03:52 <[g2]> there a makeinfo tool missing in the default 3.7 knoppix, but commenting out the cpio builds the full opensenslug
Mar 24 16:05:13 <rwhitby-away> anyone know of a "cron" variant which has a conf directory like xinetd does?
Mar 24 16:05:32 <rwhitby-away> where packages can just drop a file to have it included in cron's joblist?
Mar 24 16:05:33 <[g2]> well at some point I'll remaster knoppix to include makeinfo and psyco and all the sources but the IXP drivers and have a way to build openslug from a live cd
Mar 24 16:05:59 <[g2]> dunno, gentoo's got several cron-s
Mar 24 16:06:00 <ByronT> THAT would be cool!
Mar 24 16:06:21 <rwhitby-away> it's the next logical step after our xinetd revolution
Mar 24 16:06:58 <[g2]> ByronT, what'd be cool the xinetd stuff ?
Mar 24 16:07:14 <ByronT> no, the live knoppix distro that builds
Mar 24 16:07:40 <[g2]> SluglyKnoppix
Mar 24 16:08:01 <ByronT> heh
Mar 24 16:08:37 <rwhitby-away> Debian has /etc/cron.d/...
Mar 24 16:12:05 <rwhitby-away> aha - vixie cron
Mar 24 16:12:08 <rwhitby-away> ftp://ftp.vix.com/pub/vixie/cron-3.0
Mar 24 16:12:36 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, isn't this the kinda thing you are interested in ? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3730092947.html
Mar 24 16:12:44 <rwhitby-away> I can feel an /opt/etc/cron.d/ coming on  ....
Mar 24 16:14:58 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, cron in OE says it's vixie cron, but pulls from ibibilio
Mar 24 16:15:12 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: the community site for that box (which is all in German) has a picture of a slug on the page
Mar 24 16:15:22 <[g2]> cool
Mar 24 16:15:55 <[g2]> Da kann ich Euch den Linksys NSLU2 empfehlen! 
Mar 24 16:16:13 <rwhitby-away> Anyone speak German?
Mar 24 16:16:14 <[g2]> where's bablefish when you need it
Mar 24 16:18:04 <rwhitby-away> "Do you seek to store data in the network still after an interesting possibility? There I can recommend the Linksys NSLU2 to you! So one could store the photographs of the Gigaset M740 AV box central, i.e. both access from the box and from the PC. Consider please, which formats the NSLU2 their attached Festplatte(n) with its own file system (not FAT32)."
Mar 24 16:18:36 <[g2]> There I can recommend the Linksys NSLU2 to you!
Mar 24 16:19:23 <[g2]> Do you seek to store data in the network still after an interesting possibility? There I can recommend the Linksys NSLU2 to you! So one could store the photographs of the Gigaset M740 AV box central, i.e. both access from the box and from the PC. Consider please, which formats the NSLU2 their attached Festplatte(n) with its own file system (not FAT32).
Mar 24 16:19:40 <rwhitby-away> bob_tm-zzz: can we replace the cron that you have started in unslung packages with vixie cron?
Mar 24 16:52:15 <rwhitby-away> hmm - looks like /etc/cron.d/ might be a debian addition to vixie cron ....
Mar 24 16:55:51 <rwhitby-away> might have to start from there ....
Mar 24 17:22:13 <bgeek> hi all, can someone tell me if there is a port of irssi for the nslu2?
Mar 24 19:34:02 <ByronT> jbowler, you didn't want to stick it out in Gorx's hangout (#nslu2-general)???
Mar 24 19:34:38 <ka6sox-laptop> heh
Mar 24 19:34:45 <jbowler> 3 minutes ago?  Stupid Kirc interface, I closed the main window accidentally.
Mar 24 19:35:45 <ByronT> I miss using the wife's colloquy irc client (OS X)...
Mar 24 19:39:26 <ka6sox-laptop> I've standardized on Xchat for all systems.
Mar 24 19:39:33 <ka6sox-laptop> OSX,Doze and Linux
Mar 24 19:40:28 <ByronT> you should at least check out colloquy... it is slick
Mar 24 19:42:14 <ka6sox-laptop> only if it works on all 3...standardization is important.
Mar 24 19:48:33 * jbowler is away: hum, let's try this, gotta make supper anyway...
Mar 24 21:53:00 <jbowler> eno: almost certainly security, so that files created by sshd are readable/writeable only by ssh
Mar 24 21:55:31 <eno> well, the implication is that the default umask for ssh login shell is 077
Mar 24 21:55:58 <eno> i was porting some packages which uses mkdir /opt
Mar 24 21:56:25 <eno> and by default it will change /opt to 700 based on that umask
Mar 24 21:56:50 <eno> you had to mount the hard disk on another linux machine to regain access
Mar 24 21:57:18 <eno> s/you/i
Mar 24 22:01:00 <jbowler> eno: normally login (i.e. the login program itself) sets the umask for a non-root user to 022
Mar 24 22:01:31 <jbowler> The umask which sshd runs under shouldn't matter, something calls umask(2)
Mar 24 22:02:00 <jbowler> Other possibilities are /etc/profile and the user's own profile (.bashrc, etc)
Mar 24 22:02:54 <eno> i don't have a /etc/profile on mine, and mine default umask is definitely set to 077
Mar 24 22:13:12 * jbowler is back
Mar 24 23:09:40 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/ (readline.mk postgresql.mk): tested postgresql cross working, depends on readline, to strip and write a init.d script
Mar 24 23:23:13 <ka6sox> you go eno!
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