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Mar 30 02:09:24 <rwhitby> So, what's on the card tonight ....
Mar 30 03:09:58 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/muxsshssl.mk: Removed TRANSPROXY cause it doesn't work.
Mar 30 03:13:48 <peteru-home> what's the relationship between the nslu2-linux OE bk URL and the standard OE one?
Mar 30 03:14:13 <peteru-home> is the nslu2-linux OE tree a superset of the OE tree?
Mar 30 03:14:57 <rwhitby-away> nslu2-linux>> parent openembedded
Mar 30 03:14:57 <rwhitby-away> ===== openembedded =====
Mar 30 03:14:57 <rwhitby-away> Push/pull parent: bk://oe-devel.bkbits.net/openembedded
Mar 30 03:15:04 <peteru-home> what happens when I have a patch generated against the nslu2-linux tree and it should probably end up in the top level OE tree?
Mar 30 03:15:27 <rwhitby-away> when kergoth pulls from nslu2-linux into OE, it will get applied
Mar 30 03:15:48 <rwhitby-away> in the meantime, it stays in nslu2-linux, and is resolved against any other patches to the same file.
Mar 30 03:18:07 <peteru-home> so, all changes from oe-devel will ripple down to nslu2-linux as soon as they are applied, but they will bubble up to oe-devel only when kergoth resyncs the two manually, right?
Mar 30 03:18:29 <peteru-home> s/they/nslu2-linux changes/
Mar 30 03:18:59 <rwhitby-away> yep
Mar 30 04:55:05 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Withdrawing muxsshssl - it doesn't work, and I've realised I can do better using ssh port forwarding.
Mar 30 05:15:31 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3088.1.1 10openembedded/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Withdrawing muxsshssl - it doesn't work, and I've realised I can do better using ssh port forwarding.
Mar 30 08:00:54 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/bash.mk: Updated to generate the control file.
Mar 30 08:01:35 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/bash/control: Removed generated control file
Mar 30 08:03:49 <rwhitby-away> wb jbot
Mar 30 08:04:01 <rwhitby-away> ~botsnack
Mar 30 08:04:02 <jbot> rwhitby-away: aw, gee
Mar 30 08:16:16 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added upload support for wl500g.
Mar 30 12:04:39 <caplink811-away> jbot, seen ByronT?
Mar 30 12:04:45 <jbot> byront <~byron-por@ByronT.nslu2-linux> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 4d 16h 58m 51s ago, saying: 'good night'.
Mar 30 12:29:17 <rwhitby> well that was a slow night ...
Mar 30 13:25:46 <stefan_willmerot> hi there, is the successful connection of a scsi tape drive to the slug of interest to this group?
Mar 30 13:27:26 <caplink811-away> could you create a wiki page (howto) about that topic?
Mar 30 13:28:26 <stefan_willmerot> yup, done this already: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/AddTapeDrive
Mar 30 13:28:38 <caplink811-away> nice
Mar 30 13:29:09 <stefan_willmerot> posted it to the mailing list but got no response :-( 
Mar 30 13:29:45 <stefan_willmerot> maybe someone could add it to the howto main page
Mar 30 13:31:40 <rwhitby> done
Mar 30 13:32:52 <rwhitby> would you like to submit patches for the defconfig and the device_unslung.txt files?
Mar 30 13:33:04 <caplink811-away> these guys are busy last days, but didn't see youre post at the list (looking back till 23.03)
Mar 30 13:35:24 <stefan_willmerot> caplink, it was the 20 of march :-) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/5134
Mar 30 13:35:45 <caplink811-away> found it, just in the moment ;-)
Mar 30 13:36:11 <stefan_willmerot> rod, I need to research this, never created a patch before. and the .txt file is new to me
Mar 30 13:37:21 <caplink811-away> stefan_willmerot: would you join www.nslu2-info.de, maybe usefull for the community
Mar 30 13:45:43 <rwhitby> Seems that CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST is already =m in the latest 4.7-alpha build of unslung.
Mar 30 13:46:31 <rwhitby> what mode should the /dev/st0 node be?  644?
Mar 30 13:46:59 <dyoung-zzzz> 644.\
Mar 30 13:48:06 <rwhitby> ok, I've added /dev/st[0-3] to Unslung too.
Mar 30 13:51:35 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3096.1.1 10openembedded/files/device_table-unslung.txt: Added /dev/st to Unslung devices
Mar 30 13:58:50 <rwhitby> caplink811-away: how do we get more german participation in Unslung 4.x alpha testing?
Mar 30 13:59:54 <caplink811-away> i will try to populate this topic at the board, need time till tomorow, you much user are missed, till beta?
Mar 30 14:00:52 <caplink811-away> so, in my opinion, there are at least 3 or 4 users with unslungable 4.x
Mar 30 14:01:15 <caplink811-away> s/you/hiw
Mar 30 14:01:23 <caplink811-away> s/hiw/how!
Mar 30 14:01:29 <rwhitby> please ask any Unslung 4.x users to add themselves to the Yahoo database
Mar 30 14:01:53 <caplink811-away> k
Mar 30 14:02:40 <rwhitby> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/database?method=reportRows&tbl=8
Mar 30 14:02:47 <rwhitby> we have 10 alpha testers, and need 10 more
Mar 30 14:03:24 <caplink811-away> so should be 3 or 4 at hte next days, my hope ;-)
Mar 30 14:03:33 <rwhitby> and only one person (me) listed as testing the latest 4.7-alpha version
Mar 30 14:07:53 <caplink811-away> so, in my opinion, the problem/barrier is (for myself too), there's no binary available..
Mar 30 14:09:25 <caplink811-away> the fewest people have the possibility to build a complete "image"..
Mar 30 14:11:15 <rwhitby> yes, but the whole reason for alpha testing is to make sure that the building is portable
Mar 30 14:11:33 <caplink811-away> i know..
Mar 30 14:11:37 <rwhitby> the beta testing period is for testing the binary :-)
Mar 30 14:11:51 <caplink811-away> i know that too ;-)
Mar 30 14:12:19 <rwhitby> ok, back later
Mar 30 14:37:34 <CIA-4> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/fetchmail.mk: Added the openssl dependency.
Mar 30 14:52:56 <CIA-4> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote hugs
Mar 30 18:12:36 <RavenHawk> hello
Mar 30 18:14:23 <RavenHawk> is anyone here?
Mar 30 18:24:04 <RavenHawk> heloooo
Mar 30 19:24:13 <rwhitby-web> it's a slow time of day
Mar 30 19:27:47 <RavenHawk> yes, it is
Mar 30 19:28:30 <RavenHawk> i'm trying to do a non-destructive conversion of an NTFS disk to work with an NSLU2.  I think it will work if I can convert the disk to EXT3 first.  Any idea?
Mar 30 20:17:03 <CIA-4> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (Makefile sources/sqlite/configure.patch make/sqlite.mk): sqlite ready for cross testing
Mar 30 20:21:08 <rwhitby-lunch> RavenHawk: I would use PartitionMagic or something like that on a PC to convert the drive and set up the three ext3 partitions, then use the custom partitions howto on the wiki to get the slug to recognise it
Mar 30 20:21:27 <rwhitby-lunch> eno: nice work on the packaging front!
Mar 30 20:22:27 <RavenHawk> rwhitby: that's what i figured, but partition magic doesn't want to convert ntfs to ext3
Mar 30 20:23:30 <RavenHawk> i thought there might be another piece of software, otherwise i may have to do it piecemeal, enlarging one partition as i shrink the other
Mar 30 20:24:04 <rwhitby-web> yeah, that would be the next step
Mar 30 20:25:43 <RavenHawk> so that's it i guess; do you think that'll do it, the NSLU2 will be happy with any partitions with the right type and name?
Mar 30 20:27:13 <eno> rwhitby-web: i hope someone can port Xvnc
Mar 30 20:28:22 <eno> i tried a little bit, but no go
Mar 30 20:30:04 <rwhitby-web> I wish someone would port minicom
Mar 30 20:31:21 <eno> anyone tried?
Mar 30 20:31:45 <rwhitby-web> dunno - I've been using microcom cause it was there in OE and worked out of the box.
Mar 30 20:31:58 <eno> ok, i can take a look
Mar 30 21:00:52 <eno> rwhitby-web or anyone familiar with minicom: does it need a /opt/etc/minirc.dfl in the package, or is it user's responsibility to create it?
Mar 30 21:02:27 <rwhitby-web> I suspect we would include a default one, and make it a conffile so it can be changed and the changes don't get lost on an upgrade.
Mar 30 21:04:09 <eno> there's an empty minirc.dfl under doc/, shall i just use that one?
Mar 30 21:10:29 <rwhitby-web> I guess so.
Mar 30 21:10:52 <rwhitby-web> mgetty is the other unslung package I'd like too :-)
Mar 30 21:11:34 <dyoung-zzzz> hehehe
Mar 30 21:11:40 <dyoung-zzzz> ~emulate rwhitby
Mar 30 21:11:42 <jbot> Well, my work here is done.
Mar 30 21:12:49 <rwhitby-web> hey dyoung-zzzz 
Mar 30 21:13:02 <dyoung-zzzz> morning.
Mar 30 21:14:06 <dyoung-zzzz> rwhitby-web, did you have a look at [cc]smart's proposed linuxrc?
Mar 30 21:14:47 <rwhitby-web> yeah, it was nice and modular, but very prone to user errors in the files causing your slug to not boot ...
Mar 30 21:14:52 <dyoung-zzzz> I think I'm inclined to just wedge a altroot stanza into the existing one.
Mar 30 21:15:12 <dyoung-zzzz> theres something nice and easy about doing "touch .sda2root"
Mar 30 21:15:18 <rwhitby-web> I'm not sure I want the .altroot-style files to have to have executable flow-control code in them
Mar 30 21:15:39 <rwhitby-web> setting variables (for the default and supported cases) is about as far as I think we want to go.
Mar 30 21:15:39 <dyoung-zzzz> instead of saying "copy this sstuff into .blockdevboot"
Mar 30 21:15:57 <dyoung-zzzz> If we "dot" it, we're all okay right?
Mar 30 21:16:23 <dyoung-zzzz> because one of my potential uses would be to boot a raid rootfs, in which case I would be modprobing stuff in there.
Mar 30 21:16:50 <rwhitby-web> right - we should have it so that power users can put commands in there, but all normal usage only requires setting variables in there
Mar 30 21:17:03 <pauls_lost> Hello, new to IRC so excuse if I stumble
Mar 30 21:17:16 <rwhitby-web> g'day pauls_lost 
Mar 30 21:17:19 <dyoung-zzzz> I think normal folk would probably just be using the .sdxy constructs eh?
Mar 30 21:17:27 <pauls_lost> I have been trying the new Unslung 4.7 alpha and having some trouble
Mar 30 21:17:53 <rwhitby-web> dyoung-zzzz: I thought .altroot would replace those .sdxy files
Mar 30 21:18:06 <rwhitby-web> pauls_lost: spill the beans
Mar 30 21:18:14 <pauls_lost> when I do the /sbin/unsling hdd command, it appears that it is putting all the conf files in root
Mar 30 21:18:37 <dyoung-zzzz> I was thinking about adding it as a extra stanza for power users to customize their root device to foo.
Mar 30 21:19:11 <rwhitby-web> pauls_lost: that's correct - if you just say "hdd", then it will put the rootfs in the conf partition.  if you say "hdd-data", then it will put it in the data partition.
Mar 30 21:19:35 <rwhitby-web> dyoung-zzzz: what do you think about swapping that unsling behaviour so that hdd means hdd-data, and you have to say hdd-conf to put it in conf.
Mar 30 21:20:33 <dyoung-zzzz> I dunno, that has always seemed more intuitive to me.  Its even more a issue now that there are zillions of packages.
Mar 30 21:20:38 <pauls_lost> Ah, I thought by using "hdd" it would be going to /share/hdd/conf
Mar 30 21:20:39 <rwhitby-web> pauls_lost: I don't see your entry in the unslung alpha testers database: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/database?method=reportRows&tbl=8
Mar 30 21:20:46 <CIA-4> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/minicom.mk): minicom ready for cross testing
Mar 30 21:20:58 <dyoung-zzzz> ~praise eno
Mar 30 21:20:59 <rwhitby-web> pauls_lost: it does, but that /share/hdd/conf is mounted as / on the next boot.
Mar 30 21:21:00 <jbot> All hail eno!
Mar 30 21:21:47 * dyoung-zzzz forages.
Mar 30 21:21:49 <rwhitby-web> dyoung-zzzz: sounds like a decision then.  I'll support hdd-conf, hdd-data, and just hdd (which will mean hdd-data now).
Mar 30 21:21:56 <pauls_lost> Ah, got it.  Thanks.  Yes I am number 5 on the list of unslung alpha.  Will update to 4.7 alpha.
Mar 30 21:22:20 <rwhitby-web> oh - is pauls_lost your permanent IRC id?
Mar 30 21:23:09 <pauls_lost> nope.  Just made it up, since it was my first time
Mar 30 21:23:35 <rwhitby-web> you should register a nick so that no-one else can get it.  then use it when you're here so we recognise you :-)
Mar 30 21:23:41 <rwhitby-web> BTW - thanks for those donations!
Mar 30 21:24:13 <pauls_lost> Thanks for your help.  And you welcome to the donations.  I am having some fun
Mar 30 21:24:18 <rwhitby-web> (for those who don't realise - Paul is the one at the top of the list).
Mar 30 21:24:33 <dyoung-zzzz> ~praise pauls_lost 
Mar 30 21:24:35 <jbot> All hail pauls_lost!
Mar 30 21:24:40 <pauls_lost> :)
Mar 30 21:25:01 <dyoung-zzzz> we appreciate it!
Mar 30 21:25:26 <rwhitby-web> nope, pauls is taken.
Mar 30 21:26:16 <rwhitby-web> [14:57] -NickServ- The nickname [sureddin] is not registered
Mar 30 21:26:33 <pauls_lost> Thanks for checking.  I appreciate all the effort you are all putting in.  Will get to OpenSlug when I feel that I have a better grasp.
Mar 30 21:27:38 <dyoung-zzzz> pauls_lost, out of curiosity, what nefarious purposes are you usnig your Slug for?
Mar 30 21:27:51 <rwhitby-web> pauls_lost: if you want "sureddin" then type "/nick sureddin" and "/msg nickserv register <password>", then type"/msg nickserv identify <password>" on subsequent times to authenticate with that nick.
Mar 30 21:28:22 <rwhitby-web> once you have registered a nick, you can kick other people off if they try and use it.
Mar 30 21:28:42 <rwhitby-web> ~nefarious
Mar 30 21:28:45 <jbot> nefarious is, like, to be infamous by way of nastyness
Mar 30 21:30:34 <rwhitby-web> dyoung-zzzz: do you think we should support unsling hdd, or make people type either hdd-data or hdd-conf ?
Mar 30 21:31:23 <ByronT> stating explicitly makes for easier directions
Mar 30 21:31:35 <dyoung-zzzz> I would make folks decide for themselves.  But if you unsling hdd, it presents a message saying something like "Please use hdd-conf or hdd-data"
Mar 30 21:31:49 <rwhitby-web> good plan.  I'll put that in tonight.
Mar 30 21:31:57 <dyoung-zzzz> Then folks are sure to know where the stuff is going.
Mar 30 21:32:13 <dyoung-zzzz> (unless they are our "friend".)
Mar 30 21:32:33 <rwhitby-web> gorx gorx gorx
Mar 30 21:33:50 <sureddin> Thanks for all the help.  I thought I always saw the real root before unslinging previously.  I have a serial connection
Mar 30 21:34:33 <rwhitby-web> you did.  the other thing that unsling does is touch the .sda1root file, so that switchbox switches to the new rootfs on the next boot
Mar 30 21:35:08 <rwhitby-web> I guess I should make it print out something to that effect ... :-)
Mar 30 21:35:43 <sureddin> Thanks for the explanation.  About your question about uses.  Nothing in particular except trying to become more knowledgable
Mar 30 21:36:00 <sureddin> And having fun
Mar 30 21:36:20 <dyoung-zzzz> Fun is good.
Mar 30 21:37:09 <sureddin> Have a good day all.  Keep up the good work
Mar 30 21:37:29 <dyoung-zzzz> Thanks!  GL with the unslinging!
Mar 30 21:37:33 <dyoung-zzzz> And come back again!
Mar 30 21:38:12 <rwhitby-web> what a nice guy ...
Mar 30 21:39:13 <dyoung-zzzz> ya.
Mar 30 21:40:25 <rwhitby-web> so it seems that dropbear now does authentication agent forwarding, and port forwarding too.  so apart from the speed difference, it now meets my needs as much as openssh does.
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