**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 30 23:59:57 2005 Mar 31 00:15:38 somebody tried using philips webcam with pwc on openslug ? Mar 31 00:16:18 module loads cleanly ... but doesn't recognize the cam Mar 31 00:25:32 Hmm. Mar 31 00:25:52 lemme look at the driver for a moment. Mar 31 00:26:12 its a 680k Mar 31 00:26:22 works fine with new pwc and 2.6.6 on i386 Mar 31 00:28:30 can you enable debugging and tell me how the camera enumreates? Mar 31 00:29:02 I'm wondering if theres a endian issue like there is with the spca Mar 31 00:29:34 sec Mar 31 00:39:27 treitter: Bus=01 Lev=01 Prnt=01 Port=00 Cnt=01 Dev#= 4 Spd=12 MxCh= 0 Mar 31 00:39:27 dyoung-zzzz: Ver= 1.10 Cls=00(>ifc ) Sub=00 Prot=00 MxPS= 8 #Cfgs= 1 Mar 31 00:39:27 peteru-home: Vendor=0471 ProdID=0308 Rev= 0.06 Mar 31 00:39:27 smok: SerialNumber=02120210C0002966 Mar 31 00:39:41 fucking nick-completion ;P Mar 31 00:40:10 Puzzled! Mar 31 00:41:09 thats from /proc/bus/usb/devices eh? Mar 31 00:41:14 jo Mar 31 00:41:24 I meant what the driver is reporting. Mar 31 00:43:36 You'll need to enable debugging for that. Mar 31 00:43:52 trace=1 maybe. Mar 31 00:44:03 I'm not sure if you can enable it in /sys someplace. Mar 31 00:44:10 pwc Trace options: 0x00ff Mar 31 00:44:10 pwc Registering driver at address 0xbf0afd04. Mar 31 00:44:10 pwc probe() called [7104 0803], if 0 Mar 31 00:44:10 pwc probe() called [7104 0803], if 1 Mar 31 00:44:10 pwc probe() called [7104 0803], if 2 Mar 31 00:44:11 usbcore: registered new driver Philips webcam Mar 31 00:44:14 thats with trace=255 Mar 31 00:44:50 looks like endian problem :) Mar 31 00:44:54 that looks like a endian problem to me. ;-) Mar 31 00:45:09 oh well. Mar 31 00:45:17 I'll patch it after I finish patching spca. Mar 31 00:46:58 whats the normal way for fixing it ? Mar 31 00:47:14 changing the id in pwc.mod.c ? Mar 31 00:47:42 no, using le16_to_cpu functions.... Mar 31 00:47:51 or their respective cpu_to_le16. Mar 31 00:48:06 or a rewrite to make it endian agnostic. Mar 31 00:50:02 odoc, thanks for pointing that out, I dont have a pwc device. ;-) Mar 31 00:53:58 your welcome :) Mar 31 00:54:16 any driver where i can get an idea to fix it ? Mar 31 00:54:24 looking at ov511 atm Mar 31 00:57:06 Hmm, I dont know of any offhand, sorry. Mar 31 01:57:43 how can i exchange the pwc.mod.c that is used for compile ? Mar 31 01:58:12 when i exchange the one in work/pwc... it is replace by bitbake :( Mar 31 01:58:35 you can do that. Mar 31 01:58:44 but only delete the stamp for compile Mar 31 01:58:53 i only deleted that one Mar 31 01:59:04 tmp/stamps/pwc_blahblah_do_compile Mar 31 01:59:10 yes Mar 31 01:59:15 that was the one i deleted Mar 31 01:59:30 if its being replaced, its probably unpacking it again. Mar 31 01:59:57 how are you making it? Mar 31 02:00:19 i also replaced the bz2 in sources/ Mar 31 02:00:43 rm tmp/stamps/pwc-10.0.6a-r0.do_compile Mar 31 02:00:46 bitbake pwc Mar 31 02:00:56 also deleted the *.o *.ko in work Mar 31 02:07:05 the timestampt from do_unpack is 1h ago Mar 31 02:07:27 that seems alright Mar 31 02:21:30 just forget everything i wrote Mar 31 02:21:31 ;P Mar 31 02:22:03 dyoung-zzzz: CIA didn't report it, but I just pushed the unsling changes as Unslung 4.8-alpha. Mar 31 02:23:04 Okay cool. Mar 31 02:23:37 BTW, its unlikely that I'll be able to get the .altroot stuff worked out before the end of april. Mar 31 02:23:47 ok, that can be in 5.x then Mar 31 02:59:12 pwc is recognizing the 680k :) Mar 31 03:00:05 Cool, was it only the USB Enumeration stuff? Mar 31 03:00:12 yeah Mar 31 03:00:16 added ie16_to_cpu Mar 31 03:00:17 :) Mar 31 03:00:20 or is the image gathering stuff busted too? Mar 31 03:00:52 atm vidcat busted dropbear ;P Mar 31 03:03:01 Okay cool.I ran into additional issues with the spca, so if it works, please lemme know! Mar 31 03:03:12 im on the way :) Mar 31 03:24:42 is there a way to speed-up compile time ? Mar 31 03:31:27 cross or native? Mar 31 03:31:33 cross atm Mar 31 03:32:01 are you using nslu2-package-symlinks? Mar 31 03:32:08 nope Mar 31 03:32:15 had problems with pwc with symlinks Mar 31 03:32:20 something was missing Mar 31 03:32:31 don't remember what it was ;P Mar 31 03:32:37 did you add the symlinks for the new things you are compiling? Mar 31 03:32:38 pwc is working btw Mar 31 03:32:43 (and their dependencies?) Mar 31 03:33:03 probably not :) Mar 31 03:33:14 it didn't work ... i switched back to normal ... Mar 31 03:33:42 dyoung-zzzz: getting pictures from pwc Mar 31 03:33:44 odoc, are you willint to interact with luc to get your patch into his main distribution? Mar 31 03:33:48 cool! Mar 31 03:33:50 even 640x480 Mar 31 03:33:55 but lousy quality Mar 31 03:34:00 wow, I should go buy a PWC. ;-) Mar 31 03:34:11 maybe something with decompression routine Mar 31 03:34:20 will do further checking tonight Mar 31 03:34:32 that was one of the gotchas with the non-binary driver right? Mar 31 03:34:45 i bought a nslu for my pwc :) Mar 31 03:35:02 yes Mar 31 03:35:09 the open-source driver rulz :) Mar 31 03:35:14 odoc, it would be great to have endian issues resolved upstream. But if you dont want to interact with luc, send me a patch and i'll talk to him. Mar 31 03:35:49 and in the meantime I could put it as a patch in OE for that version. Mar 31 03:35:57 i'll send him an email Mar 31 03:36:01 to you too Mar 31 03:36:10 but first let me sort out that lousy quality Mar 31 03:37:09 odoc, thanks for looking at pwc, I was wondering when someone would do it. Mar 31 03:37:33 I put it in there thinking I would eventually get one; but well, it never happened. Mar 31 03:38:20 it does :) Mar 31 03:38:22 yesterday ;P Mar 31 03:38:33 had to finish my diploma-thesis first ... Mar 31 03:38:35 sorry :) Mar 31 03:38:50 Cool! Mar 31 03:39:23 now its time to backport it to 2.4.22 for unslung ;P Mar 31 03:39:30 heh Mar 31 03:39:42 There was talk about that. Mar 31 03:40:05 It looks like a kind of normal driver, shouldnt be too bad. Mar 31 03:43:37 okay I think i'm *really* going to sleep now. Mar 31 03:44:04 k Mar 31 03:44:05 n8 Mar 31 03:44:10 have to do some work now Mar 31 03:44:15 will be back tonight Mar 31 03:45:33 okay thanks! Good Luck! Mar 31 03:46:19 wait for your mail :) Mar 31 03:52:53 Wow, little fuzzy, but at least it does something. Mar 31 03:53:19 yeah Mar 31 03:53:26 there's room for improvement Mar 31 03:53:27 ;P Mar 31 03:54:03 Cool. Mar 31 03:54:55 That was one of my primary goals for the nslu2. make cheap usb camera ethernet enabled. Mar 31 03:55:17 that was my one and only goal :) Mar 31 03:55:23 my plan was to get a bunch of cheap cameras and have it composite a 360deg image. Mar 31 03:55:58 k Mar 31 03:56:01 im gone now Mar 31 03:56:02 gn8 Mar 31 03:56:07 night odoc Mar 31 03:56:07 k nighty! Mar 31 03:56:19 im not going to sleep Mar 31 03:56:30 the sun is shining :) Mar 31 03:56:38 oh yeah. hehe. Mar 31 03:56:44 but, Mar 31 03:56:47 ~ugt Mar 31 03:56:48 ugt is, like, Universal Greeting Time. It states that it is always morning when person comes in, and it is always late when person leaves. Local time of any member of channel is irrelevant. Mar 31 03:57:47 hrhr Mar 31 05:58:56 pwc is working now Mar 31 05:59:02 640x480 with openslug Mar 31 06:51:39 hi there Mar 31 06:58:11 i just did a check out of the cvs tree and when I issue make ipkg-utils, it complains about install not found. Which package does provide install? Mar 31 07:19:31 ipkg search /opt/bin/install Mar 31 07:19:33 coreutils - 5.2.1-4 - /opt/bin/install Mar 31 07:39:38 coreutils conflicts with busybox Mar 31 09:18:47 coreutils conflicts with busybox and doesn't get installed. What to do? Mar 31 09:19:28 why do you need coreutils? Mar 31 09:30:05 when I build the cvs tree I get complaint about missing "install" Mar 31 12:53:42 somebody in here ever tried to get motion on the nslu ? Mar 31 12:57:51 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/python.mk: upgraded python from 2.4 to 2.4.1 Mar 31 13:21:46 [g2], last night odoc made the pwc camera driver work under openslug and grabbed some iamges. Mar 31 13:22:18 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, cool Mar 31 13:22:19 he had to add some le16_to_cpu bits to correct the endianness of the USB Enumerator. Mar 31 13:22:43 cool. Mar 31 13:22:49 Is it usb 2? Mar 31 13:22:57 [g2]: did anyone ever test perl on openslug? Mar 31 13:23:01 what kind of frame rate? Mar 31 13:23:12 <[g2]> kergoth, hey Mar 31 13:23:16 hey Mar 31 13:23:29 <[g2]> I've started testing the packages stuff about a week ago Mar 31 13:23:30 VoodooZ_Work, I'm not sure in either case. I think hes using it to grab an image every now and then. Mar 31 13:23:46 Which camera did he use? Mar 31 13:23:48 <[g2]> then I got the flu and stuff went down hill fast from there Mar 31 13:23:57 ahh okay Mar 31 13:24:01 I think the model he mentioned was 680k Mar 31 13:24:08 company? Mar 31 13:24:13 i havent been very productive, been enjoying my newfound ability to do nothing (yay unemployment .. that feeling wont last though) Mar 31 13:24:25 been there! :) Mar 31 13:24:37 <[g2]> it's nice to decompress for a little while Mar 31 13:24:53 I did absolutely nothing, and it was everything I thought it could be! Mar 31 13:25:01 * kergoth hugs office space Mar 31 13:25:06 hehe Mar 31 13:25:12 The film? Mar 31 13:25:16 yep Mar 31 13:25:22 I guess I really need to see it. Mar 31 13:25:24 Is it good? Mar 31 13:25:26 I keep hearing about it. Mar 31 13:25:49 kergoth: what would you compare it? Mar 31 13:25:56 to ... Mar 31 13:26:09 yeah, very. the comedy channel runs it every once in a while Mar 31 13:26:09 * kergoth shrugs Mar 31 13:37:20 VoodooZ_Work: it is a 680k Mar 31 13:37:27 its an old model Mar 31 13:37:30 usb 1.1 Mar 31 13:38:02 but it runs at 640x480 Mar 31 13:38:08 now its time for motion :) Mar 31 13:39:40 <[g2]> odoc, Congrats on the pwc ! Mar 31 13:40:34 the ipkg is available at: http://www.emolab.de/pwc_10.0.6a-r0_nslu2.ipk Mar 31 13:40:49 patch at: http://www.emolab.de/pwc.patch Mar 31 13:42:23 Okay cool, I'll wedge it in there later. Mar 31 14:10:14 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Nylon package, from Jean-Fabrice at wl500g forums Mar 31 14:12:42 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/libevent.mk: Updated for control file generation. Mar 31 14:13:25 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/libevent/control: Now generated Mar 31 14:14:44 damnit Mar 31 14:14:54 which ssh key did i use for the nslu2 repo again Mar 31 14:15:04 someone mind checking what hostname i was on? Mar 31 14:15:48 55789282473030467773559049922068737337781798182828576681280130620121437759752456 Mar 31 14:15:48 44957398289509374898532384697082000440536506634133969081318841341627527449894182 Mar 31 14:15:48 26690777148424108770579692243759480376049876591849374672451588100816506228779 Mar 31 14:16:00 .. Mar 31 14:16:22 just tell me what user@host it was :P Mar 31 14:16:32 I lost the end bit, can you tell by the first bit? Mar 31 14:16:42 (I only have kergoth in the repo key for some reason) Mar 31 14:16:55 ah there we go Mar 31 14:16:58 * kergoth grepped around Mar 31 14:17:02 mhh Mar 31 14:17:11 its kergoth@hyperion, seemingly.. whys it keep prompting me for a damn pass, i know that key was added to my agent Mar 31 14:17:14 grr Mar 31 14:17:19 in pwc-current-20050331 there are already endian patches applied ;P Mar 31 14:17:19 oh, no, it wasnt Mar 31 14:17:21 pfft Mar 31 14:17:29 i really need to get using ssh agent forwarding Mar 31 14:18:58 they werent applied in pwc-current-20050329 ... the one i checked :( Mar 31 14:19:51 <[g2]> sometimes a couple of days makes a difference Mar 31 14:19:57 seems like Mar 31 14:20:23 but nevertheless i've learned something Mar 31 14:20:29 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added nylon to WL500G packages and NSLU2 cross packages ready for testing. Mar 31 14:21:52 dyoung-zzzz, rwhitby-away: pulled from nslu2-linux into upstream oe. Mar 31 14:22:01 just as an fyi Mar 31 14:22:16 the changes all look sane Mar 31 14:22:22 (from my cursory review anyway) Mar 31 14:22:42 well, we just got our first payback from inviting the wl500g folks to use the Unslung package repo - they've contributed back the nylon socks proxy Mar 31 14:22:45 kergoth: thx Mar 31 14:24:06 they did a perfect job of using the template too, including control file generation. Mar 31 14:24:12 kergoth, Cool, thanks. Mar 31 14:24:48 the official patch for pwc is: http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/old-releases/pwc-fix_endianness.diff.bz2 Mar 31 14:24:53 which is rather old Mar 31 14:25:12 and there is nothing applied to pwc-if.c ... where device detection is done Mar 31 14:25:33 How do folks here feel about giving wl500g people CVS write access? The upside is that they will contribute packages (like they did for nylon). The only downside is that they may contribute something that only works on the wl500g for some reason, but I figure that as a start is better than nothing for someone to then fix it for the nslu2. Mar 31 14:26:12 (note that it would be CVS write access only, not bk write access) Mar 31 14:28:20 no objections? Mar 31 14:28:37 Sounds okay to me. Kinda hard to break something not related to the package being submitted. Mar 31 14:28:58 exactly. Mar 31 14:31:06 Asus are going to release a new wireless route which would be a nice upgrade from the NSLU2 maybe: Mar 31 14:31:14 Asus WL-700g home wireless storage Mar 31 14:31:15 125Mbps higher-speed wireless transmission with extended range Mar 31 14:31:15 IDE 3,5" harddrive: Mar 31 14:31:15 File server (FTP/NFS) Mar 31 14:31:15 Web server (host websites by saving the website in default folders) Mar 31 14:31:16 Download server (Manually or automatically setup download queues. Support HTTP,FTP,BT download protocols) Mar 31 14:31:17 USB Port (I can not find any text refering this should be a 1.1 or 2.0 port) Mar 31 14:31:19 No release date Mar 31 14:31:42 http://wl500g.info/showthread.php?p=13028#post13028 Mar 31 14:44:45 I'm also hoping that the wl500g guys will help convert our existing packages to control file generation, as they need to do that for each package they use. Mar 31 14:51:15 OK, we now have a new Unslung developer "jeanfabrice" from the wl500g camp with CVS write access. Mar 31 14:52:43 gn8 Mar 31 15:11:49 hi all. is there a news-reader for newsgroups for nslu2 available? Mar 31 15:21:55 ipkg list | grep -i nntp Mar 31 15:21:56 tin - 1.7.8-1 - tin is a threaded NNTP and spool based UseNet newsreader Mar 31 15:24:38 tin, wow, i havent used that in so many years Mar 31 15:24:38 thx for info! Mar 31 15:26:18 but tin is not an ipkg package right? how do i get it? Mar 31 15:26:28 uh? Mar 31 15:26:33 eno pasted the output of 'ipkg list' Mar 31 15:26:38 if it wasnt an ipk, it wouldnt be in ipkg list. Mar 31 15:27:40 if i do ipkg list | grep -i nntp nuttin happens Mar 31 15:29:18 so thats openslug huh? Mar 31 15:30:38 ok, could be my bad, i'm the one who ported tin (native compile, no cross), and saw it beeen promoted Mar 31 15:31:06 is it the case that native packages are not in the feed by default? Mar 31 15:33:21 sure, i'm at work right now, send to your drfonk@...de ok? Mar 31 15:33:21 how do u activate again this native ipkg's being shown in ipkg list? Mar 31 16:15:48 ipkg install unslung-feeds Mar 31 16:19:09 file not found Mar 31 16:19:21 that was for Wipmac, but it seems he never sticks around for long ... Mar 31 16:24:26 hey, does anyone here know a lot about the configuration files that the NSLU2 creates when it formats a disk, or about the filesystem it creates in general? Mar 31 16:25:39 RavenHawk, the Wiki talks about it somewhat Mar 31 16:25:51 yeah, i couldn't find what i needed Mar 31 16:29:40 format a 256MB or larger flash disk in the same drive, then copy the files to the conf partition Mar 31 16:29:52 s/in the same drive/on the same port/ Mar 31 16:30:40 ok, that's helpful Mar 31 16:31:04 how do i tell the NSLU2 which ext3 partition has the config files and which one has the files for sharing? Mar 31 16:31:18 argument to unsling Mar 31 16:32:28 don't i care about whether the NSLU2 recognizes the disk as formatted before i install the unslung firmware? Mar 31 16:33:46 (its also telling me no-disk-available with the flash drive in, but i think i can solve that on my own) Mar 31 16:34:01 install unslung firmare. then use the unslung firmware to format the flash disk on port1. then take the flash disk and your other disk to another machine and copy the conf partition files across. then put your other disk back on port 1 and it should be recognised. Mar 31 16:34:25 it needs to be unslung 3.x, and a 256MB or greater flash disk in port 1 Mar 31 16:34:43 it doesn't need to know which partition is which? Mar 31 16:34:46 (or if you have another usb hard disk you can use it instead of the flash disk) Mar 31 16:35:08 the flash disk will be repartitioned Mar 31 16:35:31 you then need to match that partition scheme (modulo sizes) on your other disk, and copy the conf partition contents across. Mar 31 16:36:36 (and you also now have to write a wiki page with the directions on how to do this) Mar 31 16:36:49 oh, if i get it to work i will Mar 31 16:37:08 but it seems to require following the directions to use a flash disk as a main disk Mar 31 16:37:18 and that would require having already unslung and installed fdisk Mar 31 16:38:14 yes, you need to install unslung, and then format the flash disk through the web interface Mar 31 16:38:26 it will use the stock fdisk Mar 31 16:38:52 ok...lets see if this works. i'll install unslug but won't unsling... Mar 31 16:39:06 you can unsling to the flash disk if you like Mar 31 16:41:56 and there is probably enough room in internal flash to not unsling and still install busybox if you want to do the fdisk stuff on the slug instead of on another machine Mar 31 16:42:10 you have a couple of options it seems Mar 31 16:42:11 the fdisk stuff has to be on another machine Mar 31 16:42:23 the idea is to convert a drive to work with the NSLU2 without destroying the data Mar 31 16:42:33 i'm making a partition on part of the disk, copying, changing the partitions, etc. Mar 31 16:42:41 i'm going to type up how to do this as we go Mar 31 16:43:12 right, I'm talking about after you have created your three ext3 partitions on the disk, put all your data in the first one, and marked the third one as swap Mar 31 16:43:37 lets do this one step at a time :) or no more than 3 at a time anyway Mar 31 16:43:52 after you have prepared that disk like that, then I was describing how to fool the linksys apps into thinking that you actually formatted it on the slug. Mar 31 16:44:20 the two key things are the files that the linksys apps put in the conf partition, and the entry that the linksys apps put in the SysConf nvram area Mar 31 16:44:24 yes, but i think we were leaving out a step or two Mar 31 16:44:59 you get the latter either by formatting the flash disk on port1, or by following the fake-out-fdisk steps on the wiki. Mar 31 16:45:17 i think i'll format the flash on port1 Mar 31 16:45:21 you get the former either by copying the files yourself, or by following the fake-out-fdisk steps on the wiki Mar 31 16:46:07 the first option (formatting the flash disk, and copying the files yourself) seems safer to me, cause at no time do you hit "format" with your data disk plugged into the slug. Mar 31 16:46:30 right Mar 31 16:46:41 just my thinking...let me do a step or two... Mar 31 16:47:05 do you have your data disk partitioned right yet, or are you still to do that? Mar 31 16:47:43 still going Mar 31 16:49:08 ok, the install of the firmware started... Mar 31 16:51:20 I would suggest: 1/ get unslung installed, 2/ format the flash disk, 3/ examine the flash disk partitioning, 4/ turn off the slug :-), 5/ replicate the partitioning on your data disk on another machine (carefully), 6/ copy the conf files from the flash disk to the conf partition on the data disk, 7/ plug the data disk into the slug and see if it is recognised Mar 31 16:51:57 don't do anything related to your data disk on the slug. if it is not recognised, then take it off again to the other machine and fix it there :-) Mar 31 16:52:10 i agree completely Mar 31 16:52:18 except for the "replicate the partitioning" part. Mar 31 16:52:22 making three partitions is easy Mar 31 16:52:47 the question is how to make them "the same" - i.e., how to tag one as the configuration partition and another as the filesharing partition Mar 31 16:53:15 first partition is a big ext3 data partition. second partition is a 128MB or so conf partition. third partition is a swap partition (64MB or 128MB should be fine for that too). Mar 31 16:53:21 all ext3 Mar 31 16:53:27 there is no other tagging Mar 31 16:53:38 as long as its just sequence, this should be easy... Mar 31 16:53:45 that's correct Mar 31 16:54:15 ok, time to format the flash... Mar 31 16:54:19 make the conf partition bigger if you're intending to install lots of packages Mar 31 16:54:37 (or you can install to the data partition instead if you want) Mar 31 16:58:21 someone remind me in 10 hours time that I need to fix unsling in 4.x to preserve the /opt and /usr/lib/ipkg directories if someone has already intalled packages on a partition that they then want to copy the rootfs to in Unslung 4.x Mar 31 17:01:55 ok, formatted... we may have to pick up the rest tomorrow Mar 31 17:02:14 the partition conversion will take a while, and frankly i have a ukrainian model on the phone, so i'm not focused Mar 31 17:05:19 well, I doubt that we can compete with a ukranian model for your attention :-) Mar 31 17:05:34 http://photo.optima.ua/users.php?id=5376 Mar 31 17:05:54 nyet, viy ne mojete (no, you cannot) Mar 31 17:17:30 ok, lets see how long it takes to copy 160 gigs... Mar 31 17:21:33 she's gone, i'm back... **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 31 19:06:25 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 31 11:12:04 2005 Mar 31 14:55:39 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/python.mk: python supports readline, ncurses, and ssl.so, all stripped Mar 31 14:55:48 03bzhou * 10unslung/sources/python/python-cross-compile1006238.patch: python supports readline, ncurses, and ssl.so, all stripped Mar 31 15:33:13 To accelerate Unslung alpha testing, I have temporarily put a binary on nslu.sf.net/downloads. It's 4.8-alpha. Please add your entry to the database if you are testing it. Please do not make any mention of this on the mailing list - it's an IRC treat only. Mar 31 15:34:33 It will be taken down again sometime in the next 24 hours, and it's 8MB (I forgot to compress it before upload) Mar 31 15:37:53 (and this announcement is also timed to reward those who read the logs :-) Mar 31 15:51:21 or those awake :) Mar 31 15:56:58 yo Mar 31 16:09:18 hi Mar 31 16:09:32 anybody there ? Mar 31 16:10:59 yes Mar 31 16:11:03 yeah... Mar 31 16:11:53 Should I present myself ? Well, I come from chupa.nl forum and Rod add me to the CVS module developper (for the WL500g branch) Mar 31 16:12:44 And I'm experiencing my first compilation unsing unslung build system Mar 31 16:13:02 hi Mar 31 16:13:12 im not one of the developers Mar 31 16:13:17 just alpha-tester of openslug Mar 31 16:13:30 the developers are dreaming of nslu2 atm ;P Mar 31 16:14:08 ok... all are from US ? I'm in France Mar 31 16:15:06 im from germany Mar 31 16:15:36 ok. that's why you're up ! ;) Mar 31 16:15:41 :) Mar 31 16:17:24 you're using openslug on a nslu2 ? Mar 31 16:17:38 yes Mar 31 16:17:45 tried unslug first Mar 31 16:17:53 everything worked ... too booring Mar 31 16:18:04 ;) Mar 31 16:18:06 so i switched to openslug :) Mar 31 16:18:21 the main reason was: Mar 31 16:18:28 get my pwc working Mar 31 16:18:41 at 640x480 Mar 31 16:21:53 is the nslu2 really good ? I really love wireless device and it seems that nslu2 is not wireless Mar 31 16:22:16 got a WL-HDD from Asus Mar 31 16:22:57 the nslu2 is wired Mar 31 16:23:16 but its a really nice device :) Mar 31 16:23:27 got wrt54 too ... for wireless :) Mar 31 16:24:52 maybe one of my next devices will be a WL500g Mar 31 16:25:10 or its sucessor Mar 31 16:25:33 it should be possible to add a usb-wlan module to the nslu Mar 31 16:26:12 how much is the wl500g ? Mar 31 16:26:15 should give a look @ wl500gx Mar 31 16:26:26 around 70€ I think Mar 31 16:26:53 like the nslu Mar 31 16:27:50 gx ? the deluxe version ? Mar 31 16:32:02 yep Mar 31 16:32:13 it has more memory Mar 31 16:32:24 i know ... and usb 2.0 Mar 31 16:32:28 yep Mar 31 16:32:36 i already looked at asus Mar 31 16:32:42 but bought an nslu :) Mar 31 16:32:46 :) Mar 31 16:32:56 do you know chupa ? Mar 31 16:33:03 5 minutes before :) Mar 31 16:33:16 this is the reference forum for asus wireless stuff Mar 31 16:33:22 forum.chupa.nl Mar 31 16:33:31 hehe ... and you are the "nylon"-guy ... they talked about yesterday :) Mar 31 16:33:45 ohhh... yes :) they talk about me ? ;) Mar 31 16:33:53 get the logs :) Mar 31 16:33:54 in good I hope Mar 31 16:34:08 Where are the logs ? Mar 31 16:34:19 dunno ... im always online and awake :) Mar 31 16:34:30 ah ok Mar 31 16:34:48 http://ibot.rikers.org/%23nslu2-linux/ Mar 31 16:35:11 stuff for the next few weeks to read :) Mar 31 16:38:32 got the yesterday's log Mar 31 16:44:04 what kernel are you using on wl500 ? Mar 31 16:49:02 custom kernel from Oleg's (main developper of Asus custom firmware) Mar 31 16:49:16 2.4 or 2.6 ? Mar 31 16:49:31 1.9.2.7-4 Mar 31 16:49:46 oh Mar 31 16:49:53 last one from oleg Mar 31 16:55:53 jeanfabrice: welcome Mar 31 16:56:57 hi rod Mar 31 16:57:31 was speaking a bit with Germany as all US users seems asleep Mar 31 16:57:57 have also read yesterday's logs of #nslu2-linux ;) Mar 31 16:58:42 I've a few question on unslung build system Mar 31 16:59:00 ask away Mar 31 16:59:42 what about versionning on modules ? For example, libevent is now 1.x and unslung only has 0.9 Mar 31 17:00:57 it is up to the package maintainer to update the package. if you want to update it, contact the package maintainer first. if the maintainer is listed as just "NSLU2 Linux", then any developer is free to update it and check in the new version when it has been tested Mar 31 17:02:16 won't it break depending packages if I update it ? as I can only test it on wl500g Mar 31 17:02:41 that's why I did'nt touch to the control files for libevent Mar 31 17:02:45 odoc: wl500g kernel is 2.4 Mar 31 17:02:59 tnx rwhitby Mar 31 17:03:16 so there's need to backport pwc to 2.4 Mar 31 17:03:18 jeanfabrice: usually the depending packages don't break. Mar 31 17:03:30 oups : sorry for misunderstanding the question. Not using linux very often Mar 31 17:04:04 odoc: you can think of Oleg's firmware for the wl500g as being just like Unslung. Retain compatibility with stock kernel and firmware, and add ability for new features. Mar 31 17:04:38 My main contribution to Oleg's firmware was getting the BigPond heartbeat to work for Australian cable users, and just recently to add the ability to use Unslung packages. Mar 31 17:06:06 jeanfabrice: feel free to update libevent to 1.0 if you like. Mar 31 17:06:06 supporting pwc at 640x480 would be a nice feature in unslung Mar 31 17:06:22 nobody tried to use the new pwc on 2.4 ? Mar 31 17:06:31 odoc: the wl500g has webcam support built-in :-) Mar 31 17:06:44 :( Mar 31 17:06:46 thats lame Mar 31 17:06:48 :) Mar 31 17:07:11 jeanfabrice: nslu2-linux developers are all around the world Mar 31 17:07:16 ~slugtime Mar 31 17:07:18 methinks slugtime is 40 hour days 10 hours in 4 timezones with overlap Mar 31 17:07:18 i dont like thinks working out of the box Mar 31 17:07:59 rod : ok. And what about my --target issue. Can I freely discard it from my Makefile and hope it will still build on nslu2 ? I guess yes but ... Mar 31 17:09:06 jeanfabrice: I expect so. Things like that will either work on both or fail on both (since the armeb and mipsel are both no x86, then they are usually equally badly supported by the original makefiles). Mar 31 17:09:26 ok. fine Mar 31 17:09:28 rwhitby: ha .. .but it doesn't support pwc ... so it would be an add on :) Mar 31 17:10:00 in any case, your nylon package has been built first for the wl500g, so you get to make it work for the wl500g and it's up to someone else to get it working for the nslu2 if it doesn't work straight away :-) Mar 31 17:10:15 odoc: I thought Oleg's firmware supports pwc Mar 31 17:10:23 see wl500g.dyndns.org Mar 31 17:10:48 other question ? Mar 31 17:11:37 well I'vre read around nslu2 web site and I foudn somewhere that conf files should go in /opt/etc//foo.conf Mar 31 17:11:43 yep, the deal is if you see me as "rwhitby" then I am open for questions. if you see me as "rwhitby-away", then you can still ask, but I may not be able to answer :-) Mar 31 17:12:03 template.mk seems to rely on /opt/etc/foo.conf Mar 31 17:12:04 depends - if there is a single conf file, then /opt/etc/foo.conf is fine Mar 31 17:12:09 ok Mar 31 17:12:17 crystal clear Mar 31 17:13:40 no more question at this time. thank you :) Mar 31 17:14:00 ~slugtime Mar 31 17:14:01 from memory, slugtime is 40 hour days 10 hours in 4 timezones with overlap Mar 31 17:14:21 jeanfabrice: developer questions are always welcome here. Mar 31 17:14:56 and you've contributed a package which has been built for the wl500g and nslu2 as well, so you should consider yourself one of the team Mar 31 17:15:01 yep, yep. but as I just begin, I don't want to be too booring Mar 31 17:16:18 BTW, if you want to move other packages from the WL500G_PACKAGES_JUST_REQUIRING_CONTROL_GENERATION to WL500G_PACKAGES in the top-level Makefile by adding the control generation code to the foo.mk, then please feel free :-) Mar 31 17:17:14 See your yesterday's message :) Mar 31 17:17:23 I did about 30 of them the other night - the rest is up to you and other wl500g developers :-) Mar 31 17:17:36 All new packages will use the updated template, but we have a back-log to get through. Mar 31 17:18:19 for the log Mar 31 17:18:31 wl500g supports pwc ... but without decompression-module Mar 31 17:18:33 There's almost 50 packages which just need that control file generation (which takes about 5 minutes maximum per package) to be ready for the wl500g. Mar 31 17:18:34 like unslung Mar 31 17:19:22 will co unslung CVS and see whats package are easy to port into control file generation Mar 31 17:20:28 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Moved libevent to wl500g packages, as the control file generation is done. Mar 31 17:35:26 what about control files that have @CONSTANT@ in ? Mar 31 17:36:19 like zlib one's Mar 31 17:37:13 someone remind me in 10 hours time that I need to fix unsling in 4.x to preserve the /opt and /usr/lib/ipkg directories if someone has already intalled packages on a partition that they then want to copy the rootfs to in Unslung 4.x Mar 31 17:37:34 I think that was around 10 hrs ago. ;-) Mar 31 17:37:58 dyoung-logger the pwc patch is ready to grab Mar 31 17:42:23 Okay adding it now. Mar 31 17:44:15 mhh .. cron fails for openslug ? Mar 31 17:49:13 jeanfabrice: when the control file is generated, we remove that file from sources/.... Mar 31 17:49:23 see the template for the latest code Mar 31 17:49:34 dyoung: thx for the reminder :-) Mar 31 17:50:45 ok. I've build nylon.mk from template.mk (last one I guess). I was just estimating the time it can take to port zlib makefile into the new template Mar 31 17:51:34 you just need to add the control file generation code. Mar 31 17:51:51 cool Mar 31 17:52:04 do a CVS diff on the libevent.mk file to see the lines which need to be added, and then copy that over from the template and modify it to suit. Mar 31 17:52:31 if you really want to update it full to the new template feel free :-) Mar 31 17:52:59 Every thing seems easy listenning you... You know I only type my first CVS command 3 days ago Mar 31 17:53:01 03dyoung 07 * r1.3076.1.1 10openembedded/packages/pwc/ (3 files in 2 dirs): pwc: Added endian patch, bumped the version Mar 31 17:55:46 odoc, pushed. if you have a chance, can you test it please? Mar 31 17:55:54 on my way :) Mar 31 17:57:28 rwhitby, I noticed a new portmap bb is in there now too, should we update to the new version (5-9 vs our 5-7) Mar 31 17:57:38 I dunno what the changes were. Mar 31 18:07:17 probably :-) Mar 31 18:07:19 bbiab Mar 31 18:08:44 okay I did a bk cp portmap-unslung_5-7 portmap-unslung_5-9 and it builds. didnt test it yet though. Mar 31 18:09:39 (the diff of portmap_5-7.bb to portmap_5-9.bb showed no changes because it relies on ${PV} Mar 31 18:09:50 so making assumptions for ours. Mar 31 18:32:15 03dyoung 07 * r1.3116 10openembedded/packages/portmap/portmap-unslung_5-9.bb: Added portmap-unslung_5-9.bb Mar 31 18:46:11 dyoung: pwc is working Mar 31 18:47:02 ~emulate rwhitby Mar 31 18:47:03 Another Satisfied Customer! Mar 31 18:48:03 :) Mar 31 18:48:17 Cool, I dont s uppose you have a spca5xx lying around...? Mar 31 18:50:45 dyoung: I wonder if we could merge portmap-unslung back into portmap now that we know how to do the distro-specific tricks .... Mar 31 18:51:34 wow ... long list of cams Mar 31 18:54:30 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added sqlite to wl500g packages. Mar 31 18:55:31 I'm going to set up a wl500g feed on ipkg.nslu2-linux.org .... Mar 31 18:55:40 all i have is a creative webcam go Mar 31 18:55:46 no clue what chip is inside Mar 31 18:56:07 Hmm, I'm not sure. Are those tricks applicable if we're including it on the rootfs? Mar 31 18:56:34 odoc, I'm basicalyl feeling lazy about debugging it for my spca5xx. Mar 31 18:58:13 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added the wl500g feed location. Mar 31 19:01:54 my creative is using W996[7,8]CF Mar 31 19:02:04 so there isn't any spca5xx around Mar 31 19:02:08 get yourself a pwc :) Mar 31 19:03:00 drat. Mar 31 19:03:06 I cant find a cheap pwc here. Mar 31 19:03:14 The cheap one is $99USD. Mar 31 19:03:36 as opposed to my $30 spca. heh. Mar 31 19:04:08 I had most of it patched around 3 weeks ago; but I stupidly blew it away when I rebuilt something. Mar 31 19:06:41 quickcam zoom ... 5 pack ... 256 USD Mar 31 19:06:43 at amazon Mar 31 19:06:55 perfekt for your 360 degree :) Mar 31 19:08:23 true. Mar 31 19:09:56 pcvc720k iss about 45eur Mar 31 19:12:13 pcvc830k also Mar 31 19:12:42 see, thats not too bad. I cant get those models here unfortunately... Mar 31 19:13:42 i'll send you a container ... Mar 31 19:13:51 you can do some biz with it :) Mar 31 19:14:00 selling nslu2-pwc packages ... Mar 31 19:14:57 wow ... the 830 should do 1280x960 Mar 31 19:16:39 argg ... the 840 Mar 31 19:17:56 dont laugh too hard, its been done before. Mar 31 19:18:14 (sending containers of stuff transpacific full of stuff) Mar 31 19:18:34 okay that was redundant. Mar 31 19:18:35 heh Mar 31 19:18:56 where are you from ? Mar 31 19:22:45 ka6sox-office: ping Mar 31 19:22:54 Hawaii. Mar 31 19:23:04 its impossible to find stuff here. Mar 31 19:23:34 rwhitby, do you use a 'scope? Mar 31 19:23:34 heh - probably not as bad as here .... Mar 31 19:23:55 tele or oscillo ? Mar 31 19:24:02 oscillo. Mar 31 19:24:27 not usually, why? I'm more a logic analyser guy :-) Mar 31 19:24:48 if i ever went to hawaii ... i will bring a bag full of stuff ;P Mar 31 19:25:32 rwhitby, I need one of those too. What brand do you prefer? Mar 31 19:25:49 I've been keeping my eyes open for stuff at auction... Mar 31 19:25:57 odoc, cool! Mar 31 19:26:40 the only hanse Ive bee to is hansestadt hamburg. Mar 31 19:26:50 thats where im living :) Mar 31 19:27:03 wow neat. Mar 31 19:27:07 dyoung: HP or Tek Mar 31 19:27:32 for the log: the 1280x960 are only interpolated Mar 31 19:28:02 rwhitby, I've got my eyes on the TDS2012 right now. Does anyone you know use one in that series that has something good/bad/ugly to say about it? Mar 31 19:28:10 (its a tek oscope) Mar 31 19:28:19 i've only got an old philips Mar 31 19:28:20 nope Mar 31 19:28:29 drat. Mar 31 19:28:46 maybe ka6sox will have an opinion. Mar 31 19:46:11 03dyoung 07 * r1.3116.1.1 10openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Mar 31 19:46:11 openslug-packages.bb: Mar 31 19:46:11 odoc tested pwc, deems it workable for openslug application. Mar 31 19:46:31 odoc, that should get it into the feed eventually. Mar 31 19:49:28 So is a openslug beta release still a dream? Mar 31 19:51:30 rwhitby, I forgot to answer the question. I'm wondering what oscope people like. My poor Tek 2246 is giving up. Mar 31 20:05:34 pwc is now in the feed Mar 31 20:06:48 dyoung: dunno about openslug beta ... [g2] seems to be distracted by his new dev board .... Mar 31 20:07:30 I think we have almost 30 alpha testers. Mar 31 20:08:36 yep, just needs that final push to clean up all the loose ends and release it. [g2] is still the release manager. Mar 31 20:09:07 [g2] ping Mar 31 20:09:55 Did someone write opensling yet? Mar 31 20:10:07 nope Mar 31 20:10:23 which reminds me that I need to make that fix to unsling ... Mar 31 20:10:29 should be able to copy/paste most of it from unsling eh Mar 31 20:11:16 the one thing thats kind of unresolved is the case of multiple disks. its fairly random at this point which one gets assigned sda Mar 31 20:23:17 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Removed muxsshssl from wl500g packages. Mar 31 22:22:32 dyoung: unsling changes pushed - needs testing Mar 31 22:22:37 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3120 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/unslung-rootfs-2.3r25/unsling: Updated unsling to preserve an existing ipkg database on the target disk. Mar 31 22:43:46 ok, that seems to work fine. Mar 31 22:44:17 Now we just need some README updates and we'll be ready for a beta. Mar 31 22:48:01 night all