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Apr 08 00:32:38 <rwhitby> The Neuston MC500 works :-)
Apr 08 00:32:59 <rwhitby> [Streaming from the desktop windows machine, not the slug yet]
Apr 08 00:33:21 <n1xnx> Hi. Can someone lend me a clue on how to mount a flash drive under OpenSlug?
Apr 08 00:34:22 <n1xnx> I've tried the obvious, i.e. ran dmesg, discovered that the kermnel sees a flash at sda1, and ran "mount -t autofs /dev/sda1 /media/hdd", but I get No such device errors.
Apr 08 00:34:54 <n1xnx> Same kinda errors with a previously-tested-with-Unslung USB hdd.
Apr 08 00:35:07 <rwhitby> try -t ext3
Apr 08 00:35:40 <n1xnx> Will do.
Apr 08 00:36:20 <n1xnx> Well, a different error now. "Invalid argument". Hmmph...
Apr 08 00:36:32 <rwhitby> -t vfat ?
Apr 08 00:36:43 <rwhitby> what type of filesystem is on the flash?
Apr 08 00:38:24 <n1xnx> Flash is a fresh (I believe Windows-formatted) 16 MB unit that I used last night on a Mandrake 10.0 system to stuff with ipkg images from my development system. (vfat fails, too...)
Apr 08 00:40:00 <n1xnx> My Windows 2000 desktop here thinks it's FAT formatted.
Apr 08 00:45:42 <n1xnx> Just tried plugging BOTH the flash AND the hdd in, and the HDD now mounts as ext2. (on sdb1, natch.) Flash still not talking.
Apr 08 00:45:55 <n1xnx> Maybe I have a case of bad flash?
Apr 08 00:47:01 <[g2]> run fdisk /dev/sda
Apr 08 00:47:09 <[g2]> and type p at the command prompt
Apr 08 00:47:14 <[g2]> then q for quit
Apr 08 00:47:46 <UnspecifiedId> Mr Whitby, if you don't mind me asking, how much did the MC500 cost ?
Apr 08 00:48:09 <UnspecifiedId> b) what advantages do you think it has over an Xbox + Xbox Media Center ?
Apr 08 00:49:50 <n1xnx> OK, I'll try that.
Apr 08 00:53:21 <n1xnx> Sooo. fdisk says interesting things: Says the drive is partitioned FAT16, but also says it has different physical/logical beginning AND end.
Apr 08 00:53:59 <[g2]> what type of flashstick is it ?
Apr 08 00:54:39 <n1xnx> A cheapo CompUSA 16 MB unit. I also have a 128 MB Sandisk Mini Cruzer I can try.
Apr 08 00:58:00 <rwhitby> UnspecifiedId: AUD$350
Apr 08 00:58:23 <rwhitby> UnspecifiedId: it should be able to serve web pages from a server on the slug
Apr 08 00:58:26 <UnspecifiedId> thanks, just had a look at the specs. looks interesting
Apr 08 00:58:35 <rwhitby> (as well as serve media from the slug too)
Apr 08 00:58:42 <rwhitby> skunkworks.com.au
Apr 08 00:58:49 <UnspecifiedId> currently use Xbox + XBMC to do a similar thing
Apr 08 00:59:03 <UnspecifiedId> MC500 bit more pleasing to the eye
Apr 08 00:59:12 <UnspecifiedId> any problems with DivX/MPegs ?
Apr 08 00:59:28 <rwhitby> Haven''t tried much yet.  DVD .vobs work nicely
Apr 08 00:59:40 <n1xnx> Ah, it suddenly occurs to me that the mount problem here is that my Openslug may not have support compiled in for FAT filesystems. How do I check for that?
Apr 08 01:00:03 <rwhitby> UnspecifiedId: it needs to be wired on the LAN for streaming video.
Apr 08 01:00:14 <rwhitby> n1xnx: cat /proc/filesystems
Apr 08 01:01:05 <NAiL> Compiling samba on the slug is going to take ages...
Apr 08 01:01:32 <n1xnx> rwhitby: Thanks. Bingo. No support for vfat or umsdos there. 
Apr 08 01:02:29 <rwhitby> UnspecifiedId: check out http://www.oxyl.de/homepage/index.php?l=EN or http://www.swisscenter.co.uk or http://openshowcenter.sourceforge.net for the open source server alternatives for the MC500
Apr 08 01:02:59 <rwhitby> all they need is php :-)
Apr 08 01:03:09 <UnspecifiedId> I've also been looking at MediaPortal
Apr 08 01:03:52 <UnspecifiedId> wired lan, isn't a problem any more, can remember when doing the house, how the wife complained etc. nowadays she powers up XBMC + Slug to watch Desperate Housewives
Apr 08 01:04:14 <UnspecifiedId> though are thinking something for some other friends
Apr 08 01:04:40 <rwhitby> will mediaportal run on a slug or a wl500gx ?
Apr 08 01:04:48 <rwhitby> that's my target for the server
Apr 08 01:05:36 <rwhitby> anyway, now that the lounge room rewire is complete, it's time for sleep
Apr 08 01:05:38 <UnspecifiedId> http://mediaportal.sourceforge.net/
Apr 08 01:05:39 <rwhitby> night all
Apr 08 01:05:43 <UnspecifiedId> night
Apr 08 01:06:08 <[g2]> nite rwhitby-asleep 
Apr 08 01:06:17 <n1xnx> Night.
Apr 08 01:06:56 <n1xnx> Hasta la bye-bye, folks. Thanks for the assist.
Apr 08 01:14:06 <CIA-9> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/ (appweb.mk ccxstream.mk classpath.mk lame.mk mt-daapd.mk): Correcting typo for VERSION information
Apr 08 01:15:41 <CIA-9> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (11 files in 7 dirs): Control file now generated
Apr 08 01:59:25 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote libosip2, siproxd
Apr 08 03:58:34 <n1xnx> Hi.
Apr 08 04:00:26 <n1xnx> Anyone here succedded in running the pwc Philips Webcam driver for Openslug? (The 10.0.6-unofficial one that has its own decompressor)
Apr 08 04:01:09 <n1xnx> I've been trying to verify that it works; according to the Yahoo group, somewone has already verified this. 
Apr 08 04:02:01 <n1xnx> I've gotten as far as loading the ipkgs for pwc and kernel-module-videodev, and attaching the cam and installing the modules. 
Apr 08 04:02:29 <n1xnx> So far, it looks all great, but I vidcat cannot now open /dev/video.
Apr 08 04:04:04 <n1xnx> I used mknod to create a character device file /dev/video0 (following the HOWTO), and created a symlink there from /dev/video. All looks like it ought to be working, and dmesg shows a registered driver in a most encouraging way.
Apr 08 04:04:44 <n1xnx> But vidcat still fails to see the device somehow. Suggestions?
Apr 08 04:05:16 <n1xnx> (aside from getting an IRC client with a spellchecker, that is?)
Apr 08 04:58:17 <copperbeech> #nslu2-linux
Apr 08 05:01:35 <NAiL> copperbeech: I think we all know that ;)
Apr 08 05:01:58 * copperbeech grins - "sorry it was a mistype"
Apr 08 05:02:20 <[g2]> NAiL, congrats on the samba
Apr 08 05:02:37 <copperbeech> I just installed BitchX and was making a mistake on the rather sophisticated UI
Apr 08 05:03:19 <NAiL> [g2]: Thanks.. Now I only have to fix the params I gave to ./configure, and recompile :P
Apr 08 05:04:16 <NAiL> btw, why on earth are the (unstripped) binaries so enormous?
Apr 08 05:04:54 <[g2]> where there any other deps for samba ?
Apr 08 05:05:12 <NAiL> Didn't need anything that wasn't already on the slug
Apr 08 05:05:18 <[g2]> cool
Apr 08 05:05:19 <NAiL> (xcept the toolchain & make)
Apr 08 05:05:35 <[g2]> those are in openslug-packages
Apr 08 05:06:00 <NAiL> hmm. Quite possibly... I haven't finished compiling openslug-packages yet
Apr 08 05:07:01 <NAiL> tbh, I haven't bothered checking the strace-stuff
Apr 08 05:47:55 <NAiL> Samba is *still* not done compiling... This is taking ages :(
Apr 08 06:24:06 <eno> NAiL: that's why we prefer cross compiling if possible
Apr 08 06:25:44 <NAiL> eno: Hehe, yeah. Unfortunately, I seem to screw up cross-compiling whenever possible :(
Apr 08 06:27:32 <NAiL> ah. It only took five hours! 
Apr 08 06:28:14 <eno> we should keep a record for package that takes the longest time to natively compile
Apr 08 06:29:00 <NAiL> well... recompiling glibc/gcc is probably a winner ;)
Apr 08 06:29:28 <eno> is that a native package?
Apr 08 06:30:33 <NAiL> you can compile it natively... But it takes a few hours (IIRC) on my XP2000+ with 1280mb ram ;)
Apr 08 06:30:43 <NAiL> as opposed to samba, which takes a few minutes
Apr 08 06:49:08 <NAiL> good morning to ya, rwhitby :)
Apr 08 06:51:34 <rwhitby> g'day
Apr 08 06:51:54 <rwhitby> got your serial sussed out yet?
Apr 08 06:53:59 <NAiL> haven't tried, actually... Something's wrong, and I can't figure it out ;)
Apr 08 06:54:15 <NAiL> The cable seems to work.. Wonder if I've fried something
Apr 08 06:55:17 <rwhitby> what kit are you using?
Apr 08 06:55:46 <NAiL> the kit I originally ordered for my wrt. 
Apr 08 06:56:35 <NAiL> A232DB (the note says, but IIRC it's wrong)
Apr 08 06:57:42 <rwhitby> 3.3V?
Apr 08 06:57:52 <NAiL> yup
Apr 08 06:59:09 <NAiL> I'll have a look at it again tomorrow. It's too dark to try to re-solder anything right now
Apr 08 06:59:47 <NAiL> besides, the slug is (re)compiling samba ;)
Apr 08 06:59:54 <rwhitby> can you buzz out the pin number on the slug to the pin number in the MAX chip?
Apr 08 07:00:20 <NAiL> well... yes
Apr 08 07:00:38 <NAiL> There's something odd about that though..
Apr 08 07:00:44 <rwhitby> well, if you want to buzz them, then I can double check them for you.
Apr 08 07:03:07 <NAiL> hmm... this is odd
Apr 08 07:04:17 <NAiL> from slug pin 1, it buzzes on all pins on the other end.. On slug pin 2 otoh, it only buzzes on the pin it's supposed to
Apr 08 07:06:33 <rwhitby> pin 1 is 3.3v - what are you using to buzz it out?
Apr 08 07:07:15 <NAiL> heh... no idea what it's called... It's a "digital probe tester" ;)
Apr 08 07:08:00 <rwhitby> ah - that's why.  A digital probe tester looks for voltages, not continuity.
Apr 08 07:08:22 <rwhitby> You need a multimeter with a continuity test (or just a resistance measurement) on it.
Apr 08 07:08:27 <NAiL> yeah
Apr 08 07:08:28 <NAiL> it has
Apr 08 07:08:38 <NAiL> it's got volt, ohm and beep :P
Apr 08 07:08:53 <rwhitby> oh, ok.
Apr 08 07:09:16 <rwhitby> oh, you probably want to do the buzzing when the slug is off too :-)
Apr 08 07:09:49 <NAiL> hehe, not the worst idea possible
Apr 08 07:09:57 <NAiL> I can detach the cable from the slug tho
Apr 08 07:10:20 <rwhitby> yeah, that'll do
Apr 08 07:11:48 <NAiL> rwhitby: I just discovered a slight... mistake. My soldering was a tad off... 
Apr 08 07:12:04 <rwhitby> oops :-)
Apr 08 07:12:05 <NAiL> trying to clean up that first ;)
Apr 08 07:20:41 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby: Update some mk for control generation file, focussing on wl500g working packages. What about packages that have files leaving under sources/ (with no sub) ?
Apr 08 07:23:04 <rwhitby> you mean files like sources/<foo>.control ?
Apr 08 07:23:11 <jeanfabrice> like vdr-mediamp, dhcp 
Apr 08 07:24:26 <rwhitby> yes, those are very old packages.  just add the control generation capability, and remove the <foo>.control file.
Apr 08 07:24:54 <jeanfabrice> tw, busybox seems to allready use auto-generated control file. 
Apr 08 07:25:00 <jeanfabrice> tw = btw
Apr 08 07:25:37 <rwhitby> yep, I think pTweety updated it.
Apr 08 07:44:55 <NAiL> rwhitby: Umm... I removed the wires from the serial-kit. Then I tried buzzing the different combinations. I get buzzes on GND<->RX and GND<->TX
Apr 08 07:45:17 <rwhitby> sounds like you have more solder bridges ...
Apr 08 07:45:40 <NAiL> I can't see any more! ;)
Apr 08 07:49:45 <NAiL> no.. I can't find any.
Apr 08 07:51:17 <NAiL> but.. I get buzz on GND<->TX and GND<->RX. Why don't I get buzz on TX<->RX?
Apr 08 07:52:08 <rwhitby> dunno
Apr 08 07:55:40 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3185.1.1 10openembedded/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Remove strace from openslug-packages, cause it doesn't build at the moment.
Apr 08 08:06:10 <rwhitby> jeanfabrice is now the Unslung build manager for the wl500g target.
Apr 08 08:06:14 <rwhitby> ~praise jeanfabrice
Apr 08 08:06:16 <jbot> All hail jeanfabrice!
Apr 08 08:06:48 <jeanfabrice> *shy*
Apr 08 08:07:45 <jeanfabrice> Is there an option to avoid breaking a build when configure says 'can not run test program while cross compiling ; exit' ? or should I patch configure ?
Apr 08 08:08:33 <rwhitby> sometimes you can tell it what the answer should be, and stop it running the test.  if not, then a patch is required.
Apr 08 08:09:49 <jeanfabrice> php seemes to need a patch
Apr 08 08:11:24 <jeanfabrice> did you compile php native ??!!
Apr 08 08:11:45 <rwhitby> not me, someone else
Apr 08 08:12:07 <rwhitby> if you can get it to compile cross, then that would be great.
Apr 08 08:12:42 <jeanfabrice> I cross compile it by patching configure
Apr 08 08:13:48 <jeanfabrice> but looking at the makefile you have I don't see any patch against the problem 'cannot run test program while x-compiling'
Apr 08 08:14:58 <rwhitby> looking at the Makefile, it is a cross package, so we definitely do compile it cross
Apr 08 08:15:24 <rwhitby> I guess it must not need a patch for armeb-glibc (as opposed to mipsel-uclibc)
Apr 08 08:15:40 <jeanfabrice> That's what I saw, but I didn't find ho you get rid of configure's exit
Apr 08 08:17:05 <rwhitby> dunno - looks like jp30 is the person who contributed php.
Apr 08 08:31:47 <NAiL> hmm.. any specific reason openslug uses glibc and not uclibs? 
Apr 08 08:32:14 <rwhitby> cause by default people will have a disk attached and not be concerned about size of executables
Apr 08 08:32:23 <rwhitby> single line change in your local.conf to use uclibc.
Apr 08 08:32:52 <NAiL> aha :)
Apr 08 08:39:22 <NAiL> hmm.. is that documented anywhere? Couldn't find anything about it in the wiki
Apr 08 08:43:55 <NAiL> (and what change? :)
Apr 08 08:45:37 <jeanfabrice> going asleep. see u.
Apr 08 08:46:10 <rwhitby> bye
Apr 08 08:47:26 <rwhitby> back later
Apr 08 09:18:52 <CIA-9> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/w3m.mk: native build needs LD_LIBRARY_DIR=$(STAGING_LIB_DIR)
Apr 08 09:22:13 <CIA-9> 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: submit w3m again for native testing, can also build cross with libgc on host
Apr 08 10:22:26 <CIA-9> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/tin.mk sources/tin/configure.patch): tin, used to be native only, ready for cross testing now
Apr 08 12:08:27 <rwhitby-away> for those that are interested in the work which is going on for a web interface for unslung packages, see http://webtools.wl500g.info/
Apr 08 12:09:04 <rwhitby-away> Styno is producing this for the wl500g, and it should run on the nslu2 as well.  It is being designed for the Unslung packages which run on the wl500g now.
Apr 08 12:09:47 <rwhitby-away> So we have bootstrapped the wl500g packages effort from the Unslung repository, and now it looks like we will be rewarded by a good contribution in return.
Apr 08 12:31:12 <peteru-home> Have the perms on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/ changed recently?
Apr 08 12:31:28 <peteru-home> I get "Forbidden" :(
Apr 08 12:33:23 <rwhitby-away> works for me
Apr 08 12:33:25 <peteru-home> In case this is a netblock, could someone please exclude inet addr:218.214.53.18
Apr 08 12:33:36 <rwhitby-away> let me check
Apr 08 12:36:02 <rwhitby-away> that ip address should be fine.  it's not in the blacklist
Apr 08 12:38:11 <peteru-home> rwhitby-away: maybe it's part of a larger netblock - the server certainly returns "Forbidden" for any nslu2 related page.
Apr 08 12:38:30 <rwhitby-away> nope, the closest is 218.9*
Apr 08 12:39:19 <peteru-home> strange.
Apr 08 12:39:40 <rwhitby-away> try now
Apr 08 12:40:09 <peteru-home> now it works :)
Apr 08 12:40:22 <peteru-home> thanks. what was the problem?
Apr 08 12:40:22 <rwhitby-away> you must be the spammer then ;-)
Apr 08 12:40:30 <peteru-home> huh?
Apr 08 12:40:35 <rwhitby-away> I commented out the 218\.9* pattern
Apr 08 12:41:17 <peteru-home> maybe swiftdsl started using transparent proxies.
Apr 08 12:42:41 <rwhitby-away> ok, I put a comment in the file.
Apr 08 16:29:29 <NAiL> *sigh*
Apr 08 16:30:15 <NAiL> My openslug-image build was aborted because netbase-4.20 no longer exists on debians servers... 4.21 does though.
Apr 08 16:33:03 <kergoth> mv netbase_4.20.bb netbase_4.21.bb
Apr 08 16:33:09 <kergoth> heh
Apr 08 16:41:06 <NAiL> I di
Apr 08 16:41:07 <NAiL> d
Apr 08 16:41:20 <NAiL> Not used to OE yet ;)
Apr 08 17:14:49 <NAiL> Where do I specify what packages are included in openslug-packages?
Apr 08 17:16:03 <rwhitby-away> packages/meta/openslug-package.bb
Apr 08 17:21:41 <NAiL> ty
Apr 08 21:39:54 <NAiL> Is there a way to make ipkg compress the package list? I fetched a rather large list, and it ended up filling up the jffs2-partition...
Apr 08 22:05:46 <rwhitby-away> NAiL: nope. that's why we say to unsling in the README
Apr 08 22:06:08 <rwhitby-away> (and use an external disk for rootfs for OpenSlug)
Apr 08 22:08:14 <NAiL> hmm... 
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