**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 10 23:59:57 2005
Apr 11 01:47:53 <n1xnx> Quic question, folks. Does Openslug presently make it possible to persistently change the slug's LAN address? I've moved to a different subnet...
Apr 11 01:48:29 <n1xnx> I also haven't figured out where the LAN address settings are stored (I suspect in one of the other flash segments?
Apr 11 02:40:48 * jbowler is away: bbl
Apr 11 03:35:43 <[g2]> anybody know what the switch is in Apache's httpd.conf file to enable php5 in verion 2.03 ?
Apr 11 03:36:02 <[g2]> or 2.0.53
Apr 11 03:49:15 <CIA-9> 03ptweety * 10unslung/make/nano.mk: set --enable-all in configure and install nanorc
Apr 11 04:08:19 <CIA-9> 03sidddy * 10unslung/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Siddy retired -- at least wrt unslung
Apr 11 07:56:53 <NSLU2-IRC> hey
Apr 11 07:57:22 <NSLU2-IRC> hey any boody around?
Apr 11 07:58:04 <asad> sorry for the nick name
Apr 11 07:58:08 <ka6sox-office> k
Apr 11 07:58:17 <ka6sox-office> I'm sorta in/out now...
Apr 11 07:58:27 <asad> k....im new btw
Apr 11 07:59:10 <ka6sox-office> okay...
Apr 11 07:59:12 <asad> i know this aint the place but can i set a samba domian using unslug
Apr 11 07:59:13 <asad> ?
Apr 11 07:59:34 <asad> so i can decenterlize xp user accounts
Apr 11 07:59:56 <ka6sox-office> unslung?
Apr 11 08:00:47 <beemer> anyone feel like giving their opinion as to which distro they like better?  unslung or openslug?
Apr 11 08:01:08 <ka6sox-office> beemer: depends on what you want to do.
Apr 11 08:01:56 <beemer> I want to play around a little.. at minimum I'd like smb, http, ftp, ssh, maybe some sort of av streaming
Apr 11 08:02:16 <ka6sox-office> then Unslung *should* work fine for you.
Apr 11 08:02:21 <beemer> i was reading that a build of asterisk was available for it too.. that'd be pretty cool too
Apr 11 08:02:36 <beemer> although I can't imagine this little box can handle that much traffic
Apr 11 08:02:51 <NSLU2-IRC> sorry i got dissconected...
Apr 11 08:03:00 <beemer> welcome back
Apr 11 08:03:08 <NSLU2-IRC> nick name issue
Apr 11 08:03:22 <ka6sox-office> asad: iirc the version of samba doesn't act like a PDC or SDC
Apr 11 08:03:28 <Tiersten> beemer: You need a fair bit of CPU power to handle all the codecs so yeah, you're probably only going to be okay with 1-2 VoIP connections max
Apr 11 08:04:12 <puny> that's probably all I'd have anyways.. this is just for home
Apr 11 08:04:41 <puny> I read that some guy had built motion on the NSLU2 but it was too processor heavy for it
Apr 11 08:05:00 <puny> what advantages would you say openslug had?
Apr 11 08:05:27 <NSLU2-IRC> ..hmm i wsh i had the tech skill (in linux) to be any use
Apr 11 08:05:33 <puny> heh doh
Apr 11 08:05:38 <NSLU2-IRC> i only know crappy vb basic lol
Apr 11 08:05:47 * puny is used to using a real irc client
Apr 11 08:06:47 <ka6sox-office> NSLU2-IRC, okay...smb will do as a basic filesrerver and *if* you want to add other stuff then Unslung should do fine.
Apr 11 08:06:55 <puny> not sure if I got cut off before so I'll ask again..  any advantage to using openslug?
Apr 11 08:06:57 <asad2> sorry guys this java irc sux.....
Apr 11 08:07:27 <Tiersten> erm.  you can use a proper IRC client you know
Apr 11 08:07:33 <Tiersten> irc.freenode.net and #nslu2-linux
Apr 11 08:08:05 <asad2> cant be bothered changing now....seems stable if i disconnect agian ill fire it up
Apr 11 08:08:30 <Tiersten> OpenSlug is newer.  It isn't based on any of the Linksys stuff
Apr 11 08:09:04 <puny> isn't the linksys one just based on a fairly common distro for embedded stuff?  I forget which right now but I can look it up
Apr 11 08:09:08 <asad2> man u guys are really help full :).......just i dont want to buy a new pc to add a domain controller to my network.......plus pcs suck way t much electricty and noise
Apr 11 08:09:32 <Tiersten> puny: No.  It's OpenSlug that is based on OpenEmbedded
Apr 11 08:09:45 <Tiersten> The Linksys has lots of hacked on bits like a nonstandard Busybox
Apr 11 08:09:52 <ka6sox-office> asad2, I have one feeding my Mac network at home and it works fine.
Apr 11 08:10:04 <ka6sox-office> its NOT a domain Controller
Apr 11 08:10:15 <Tiersten> asad2: You can make it a PDC if you want but the stock one doesn't do it
Apr 11 08:10:30 <puny> can't you run ldap services?
Apr 11 08:10:32 <ka6sox-office> listen to Tiersten 
Apr 11 08:10:56 <asad2> is there anyother way i can decenterlize user accounts (win xp plese)...on cheap hardware like a slug...
Apr 11 08:11:18 <Tiersten> You can do it.  It's just not configured to do it at the moment
Apr 11 08:11:39 <ka6sox-office> I don't do windows
Apr 11 08:11:39 <Tiersten> The NSLU2 a fairly standard Linux machine just with not very much RAM and a slowish CPU
Apr 11 08:12:26 <puny> ok so it sounds like openslug is the one to go with
Apr 11 08:12:29 <NAiL> 32mb ram is plenty ;)
Apr 11 08:12:29 <Tiersten> OpenSlug is a more standard distribution but it doesn't have the same features as the Linksys one like the web admin interface etc...
Apr 11 08:12:33 <asad2> cool i understand.....just hope that u guys find a way to either use openldap...or cut down samba 3
Apr 11 08:13:04 <Tiersten> 32MB?  I've got more than that on my RAID card :)
Apr 11 08:13:48 <asad2> lol time to whipot the soldering iorn...
Apr 11 08:13:52 <NAiL> Tiersten: Why? :P
Apr 11 08:13:54 <asad2> whip out*
Apr 11 08:14:13 <asad2> just a joke to add more ram..
Apr 11 08:14:18 <Tiersten> Talk to ka6sox if you want to double the RAM
Apr 11 08:14:34 <asad2> so uve actually dont it?
Apr 11 08:14:39 <asad2> done*
Apr 11 08:14:40 <Tiersten> He has
Apr 11 08:14:43 <asad2> cool
Apr 11 08:15:12 <ka6sox-office> there are some lingering issues with getting it to boot right however.
Apr 11 08:15:20 <ka6sox-office> but we are close to a solution.
Apr 11 08:15:29 <Tiersten> Still not resolved the SDRAM controller config yet?
Apr 11 08:15:40 <NAiL> ka6sox-office: You just rip the chips of a standard DIMM and solder on, right? 
Apr 11 08:15:52 <ka6sox-office> NAiL, almost.
Apr 11 08:16:04 <NAiL> (either piggyback or remove the old ones)
Apr 11 08:16:15 <ka6sox-office> you can do either.
Apr 11 08:16:17 <Tiersten> There are limits on what ones you can use
Apr 11 08:16:21 <ka6sox-office> yes.
Apr 11 08:16:22 <Tiersten> It's in the IXP datasheet
Apr 11 08:16:45 <Tiersten> All the banks have to be identical as well so you can't just put any random chips piggyback
Apr 11 08:16:47 <NAiL> ah... Gotta check that. It'd be fun to up the memory a bit ;)
Apr 11 08:16:55 <ka6sox-office> yeah
Apr 11 08:17:01 <NAiL> Tiersten: Understandable ;)
Apr 11 08:17:04 <ka6sox-office> exactly
Apr 11 08:17:06 <Tiersten> It's documented in the wiki about how you need to wire it up
Apr 11 08:17:10 <NAiL> It's SDRAM?
Apr 11 08:17:17 <Tiersten> Yeah
Apr 11 08:17:39 <asad2> a link to crucial to exact model could help?
Apr 11 08:17:40 <NAiL> I've got a couple of 256mb-ers somewhere that I can destroy ;)
Apr 11 08:17:53 <Tiersten> The other bank select is very handily wired to a resistor right by the RAM
Apr 11 08:18:32 <Tiersten> I think the max per chip is 32MB for a total of 128MB
Apr 11 08:18:34 <ka6sox-office> rn12
Apr 11 08:18:38 <NAiL> But it's possible to replace the flash as well?
Apr 11 08:18:42 <Tiersten> Yes
Apr 11 08:18:46 <NAiL> That's be of more use for me
Apr 11 08:18:53 <NAiL> That'd
Apr 11 08:18:55 <ka6sox-office> um...I did that for a work project..and it was a bear
Apr 11 08:18:57 <Tiersten> Not fun however unless you've got SMD rework equipment
Apr 11 08:19:08 <ka6sox-office> btw 8MB is the biggest I've found
Apr 11 08:19:17 <ka6sox-office> (and we already have it there0
Apr 11 08:19:24 <NAiL> ka6sox-office: ah... shame :(
Apr 11 08:19:45 <Tiersten> In theory you can stack that as well... Not sure if the other expansion bus select lines are anywhere handy though
Apr 11 08:19:53 <Tiersten> stacking it would be really fun...
Apr 11 08:20:14 <NAiL> Doubling the flash would allow me to do lots of fancy stuff ;)
Apr 11 08:20:31 <NAiL> I'm down to 588k free right now
Apr 11 08:20:33 <asad2> what u have in mind nails
Apr 11 08:20:41 <Tiersten> You're very brave if you're even considering stacking it :)
Apr 11 08:20:45 <asad2> dorry NAiL
Apr 11 08:20:57 <NAiL> Tiersten: Heh.. I got the slug for free ;)
Apr 11 08:20:57 <Tiersten> The easy solution of course is just to buy a USB flash stick :)
Apr 11 08:21:06 <ka6sox-office> the pitch is .5mm...almost impossible to stack
Apr 11 08:21:26 <Tiersten> Cut out the coffee for the preceeding year
Apr 11 08:21:31 <Tiersten> That might make you calm enough
Apr 11 08:21:32 <ka6sox-office> yeah
Apr 11 08:21:41 <NAiL> asad2: Well.. Right now I'm running it as my PDC. But so far I haven't had space for ldap/ntp and a few other small things I'd like ;)
Apr 11 08:21:45 <NAiL> ccxstream is one
Apr 11 08:21:49 <ka6sox-office> and make sure you don't live near a train or earthquake zone.
Apr 11 08:21:55 <Tiersten> Don't breathe either
Apr 11 08:22:01 <ka6sox-office> ya
Apr 11 08:22:06 <NAiL> Haven't been an earthquake here for the last 10 years or so, I think..
Apr 11 08:22:07 <Tiersten> Why don't you just use a USB flash stick?
Apr 11 08:22:18 <NAiL> Norway isn't exactly earthquake zone 
Apr 11 08:22:33 <Tiersten> dunno.  I didn't think the UK was either but apparently there was some tremor awhile back
Apr 11 08:22:34 <NAiL> Tiersten: Because I might unplug it by accident :P
Apr 11 08:22:45 <Tiersten> You could solder it inside
Apr 11 08:22:46 <asad2> ya manchester....
Apr 11 08:22:53 <Tiersten> Just remember not to plug anything into that port :)
Apr 11 08:23:10 <asad2> <scottish btw....and no sterotypes plese
Apr 11 08:23:20 <puny> hehe
Apr 11 08:23:33 <Tiersten> Does this mean you hate me?  I'm English...
Apr 11 08:23:35 <NAiL> Tiersten: Yeah.. but the port would then be taken.
Apr 11 08:23:37 <Tiersten> ;)
Apr 11 08:23:53 <NAiL> hmm.. Why do I complain? I've got an USB2 hub lying around doing nothing
Apr 11 08:24:01 * NAiL is stupid
Apr 11 08:24:02 <Tiersten> Ah.  In that case.  Have fun stacking :)
Apr 11 08:24:04 <puny> i'm american-- but not a bushite
Apr 11 08:24:09 <NAiL> (or tired)
Apr 11 08:24:12 <asad2> not really i got plenty of english cozins.......couls u not use a hub add a few more ports
Apr 11 08:25:05 <asad2> puny...ure ma type of person (any 1 who hates bush)
Apr 11 08:25:13 <asad2> or tony...
Apr 11 08:26:26 <asad2> any way back to the slug....
Apr 11 08:26:46 <Tiersten> heh
Apr 11 08:27:31 <asad2> every1's quite....hopw it anit anything i said
Apr 11 08:27:43 <Tiersten> NAiL: You got any way to reflash the bootloader?
Apr 11 08:27:51 <Tiersten> You'll need to do that to get the extra RAM working
Apr 11 08:28:18 <NAiL> Tiersten: Not ATM. I know :(
Apr 11 08:28:39 <puny> hehe thanks asad
Apr 11 08:28:41 <Tiersten> The cheap method is the parallel port dongle but it's slooooooooow
Apr 11 08:29:15 <Tiersten> It blazes along at a whole 100 bytes per sec
Apr 11 08:29:31 <puny> I travel overseas a lot.. it's funny, when I was younger, people would say "wow, you're american? tell me about your country.."  now they say "eww, you're american?" and I see posters that say stuff like "a partner with america is a partner in genocide"
Apr 11 08:29:47 <NAiL> Tiersten: Well... if you're not in a hurry, that's just fine :)
Apr 11 08:29:48 <puny> doesn't exactly warm the cockels of my heart
Apr 11 08:29:59 <Tiersten> No...
Apr 11 08:30:15 <puny> I'm just glad europe is only a 6 hour flight away
Apr 11 08:30:17 <Tiersten> NAiL: Yeah but it's a tad inconvienent if you're trying to do a test run and it takes you 45 minutes to do another :)
Apr 11 08:30:18 <asad2> shame really.....one guy can ruin a country..
Apr 11 08:30:25 <NAiL> Tiersten: Yeah :P
Apr 11 08:30:39 <puny> well there are a lot of rednecks and religious zealots who support him here, too
Apr 11 08:31:03 <NAiL> Tiersten: Now that I've remembered my hub, I think I'll just solder my usb key inside the slug... Nice idea that :)
Apr 11 08:31:41 <Tiersten> :)
Apr 11 08:31:50 <asad2> well.... i dunno i think he should'nt let "terroists" run wild......but yet not be a terrorist himself
Apr 11 08:32:18 * NAiL pulls out his digital camera to document :P
Apr 11 08:32:22 <Tiersten> cool
Apr 11 08:33:46 <puny> see y'all.. I'll be back later to let you know how whichever install I choose works out
Apr 11 08:33:56 <puny> (or just to pester you with more questions..) ;)
Apr 11 08:33:59 <puny> have a good one
Apr 11 08:34:02 <Tiersten> bye
Apr 11 08:34:58 <asad2> so guys...to wrap up if i use a stock slug (hardware).....new firmware(from this site) could i run a webserver/ftp server/pdc most importantly pdc?
Apr 11 08:35:00 <NAiL> damn hard plastic shell... There's two layers of plastic that I have to break open to open the key
Apr 11 08:35:30 <Tiersten> asad2: Yes for all but PDC but that's because the standard one doesn't do it
Apr 11 08:35:40 <NAiL> asad2: I'm running it as a PDC now. Webserver is done (with PHP as well IIRC), ftp-server is done...
Apr 11 08:35:48 <NAiL> well... yeah.. I'm running openslug :)
Apr 11 08:36:32 <asad2> have u modified ure hardware (slug) to manage this or just the firmware.....i dont wanna open/solder anything
Apr 11 08:37:05 <Tiersten> You don't need to modify the hardware.  Just be aware that OpenSlug by default doesn't replicate the standard Linksys funcitonality.  It's more of a blank slate which you add packages to
Apr 11 08:37:07 <NAiL> No hardware modification necessary
Apr 11 08:37:36 <NAiL> hrm... shame I can't use the 128mb flash chip from the usb-key instead of the one in the slug ;)
Apr 11 08:37:48 <Tiersten> Yeah.  Wrong type of flash
Apr 11 08:38:22 <Tiersten> You need NOR flash
Apr 11 08:38:56 <asad2> lol...wee (lil bro) brother siad that when i told him by 15 year old pc had 16mb or was it 8 mb of ram
Apr 11 08:38:58 <NAiL> hmm... which port is best to remove?
Apr 11 08:40:17 <NAiL> shouldn't matter when I'm using openslug, should it?
Apr 11 08:40:32 <asad2> .....thanks for all ure help guys im gonna experiment with the sluf and wait till openslug is main stream and stable enough to have my pdc dream :)
Apr 11 08:40:40 <Tiersten> asad2: cool
Apr 11 08:40:42 <asad2> u's have been grat help
Apr 11 08:40:46 <Tiersten> NAiL: No.  Shouldn't matter
Apr 11 08:41:57 <asad2> are u doing this right now....
Apr 11 08:42:36 <NAiL> yup
Apr 11 08:42:39 <asad2> hope it aint 12.43am for u like it is forme and tiersten
Apr 11 08:42:47 <NAiL> no
Apr 11 08:42:48 <asad2> for me*
Apr 11 08:42:53 <NAiL> It's 01:44 :)
Apr 11 08:42:57 <asad2> lol
Apr 11 08:43:05 <NAiL> CEST (aka. GMT+1)
Apr 11 08:43:53 <asad2> im laughing cos its funny how im slugish and ure doing a hardware mod..
Apr 11 08:44:12 <Tiersten> 01:44?
Apr 11 08:44:31 <NAiL> Tue Apr 12 01:46:29 CEST 2005
Apr 11 08:44:46 <Tiersten> It's 00:45 here and this is BST which is GMT+1...
Apr 11 08:45:00 <asad2> no
Apr 11 08:45:01 <asad2> no
Apr 11 08:45:10 <asad2> its 00:45 and im gmt
Apr 11 08:45:15 <asad2> scotland
Apr 11 08:45:25 <Tiersten> No.  It's BST at the moment
Apr 11 08:46:09 <asad2> ive taken into acount of the brish summer thing
Apr 11 08:46:15 <Tiersten> Tue Apr 12 00:47:22 BST 2005
Apr 11 08:46:41 <ka6sox-office> is it summer in Scotland yet?
Apr 11 08:46:50 <asad2> lol....
Apr 11 08:46:57 <Tiersten> http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/
Apr 11 08:47:02 <Tiersten> GMT is 23:48 at the moment
Apr 11 08:47:07 <Tiersten> BST = 00:48
Apr 11 08:47:13 <asad2> thats right...
Apr 11 08:47:22 <NAiL> hmm
Apr 11 08:47:24 <asad2> ma clock says 00:48
Apr 11 08:47:33 <NAiL> GMT+2 then ;)
Apr 11 08:47:36 <Tiersten> Which means you're BST :)
Apr 11 08:47:39 <NAiL> It's late anyhow
Apr 11 08:47:40 <ka6sox-office> Mon Apr 11 16:43:00 UTC 2005
Apr 11 08:47:46 <Tiersten> NAiL: You must be in summer time for whatever CEST is
Apr 11 08:47:52 <ka6sox-office> oooooh...that isnt' right.
Apr 11 08:47:55 <Tiersten> It changes all over Europe
Apr 11 08:47:57 <NAiL> CET == Central European
Apr 11 08:48:00 <ka6sox-office> PDT here.
Apr 11 08:48:05 <NAiL> CEST == Central European Summer
Apr 11 08:48:08 <Tiersten> Ah
Apr 11 08:48:22 <Tiersten> Then yeah, CEST= GMT+2  :)
Apr 11 08:48:33 <Tiersten> ka6sox-away: Uh.  That's totally wrong if it's UTC.  UTC is roughly GMT
Apr 11 08:48:36 <NAiL> (Can't say Norway is "Central" in Europe, but...)
Apr 11 08:48:53 <ka6sox-office> Tiersten: that is weird...I need to fix that.
Apr 11 08:50:12 <asad2> tiersten: i thought u were calling our time gmt+1 which i amsterdam time....sorry
Apr 11 16:52:10 <Tiersten> ah.  no :)
Apr 11 16:52:36 <asad2> why do we need the time bullshite anymore anyway.......
Apr 11 16:52:39 <ka6sox-office> CEST goes all the way to greece
Apr 11 16:53:08 <asad2> it actually afects the ate .......the calender is not as acurate as it sould be....
Apr 11 16:53:16 <asad2> date*
Apr 11 16:54:45 <asad2> i even heard a story that cos of the way the fixed calander system (invented by one of the popes and caused a russian? revolution) and the day light time the millinum sould have happened some time 2005
Apr 11 16:54:47 * NAiL hates desoldering stuff
Apr 11 16:55:15 <asad2> wierd....
Apr 11 16:55:50 <asad2> NAil: just make sure ure the new stuffis lead free
Apr 11 16:56:28 <asad2> everyone: sory for ma typos and bad spelling lol english is my first language
Apr 11 16:56:37 <asad2> sorry*
Apr 11 16:57:19 <NAiL> heh
Apr 11 16:57:36 <NAiL> Even I can do better, and I'm no native english speaker :P
Apr 11 16:58:28 <asad2> i sould type more ofthen....i dont type much
Apr 11 16:59:15 <asad2> man im just embarrassing ma self
Apr 11 17:01:18 <asad2> no 1 talkin...
Apr 11 17:01:54 <NAiL> very idle channel, and I'm busy (de)soldering
Apr 11 17:02:15 <asad2> ok
Apr 11 17:13:34 <NAiL> man.. I need a new soldering iron...
Apr 11 17:14:05 <Tiersten> Get a nice SMD rework station :)
Apr 11 17:14:53 <ka6sox-office> I did..made all the differenc in the world.
Apr 11 17:15:07 <ka6sox-office> $200 on eBaY
Apr 11 17:17:06 <NAiL> well.. it would be easier if the iron would get hot enough
Apr 11 17:20:00 <Tiersten> hot enough?  at least get one that works :)
Apr 11 17:21:26 <NAiL> it used to ...
Apr 11 17:55:11 <asad> hey
Apr 11 17:55:16 <asad> anyone abt?
Apr 11 17:55:53 <NAiL> abt?
Apr 11 17:55:54 <asad> NAil: finished soldering?
Apr 11 17:56:00 <asad> about*
Apr 11 17:56:09 <NAiL> not yet :(
Apr 11 17:56:58 <asad> man if i was u i would of just left it in the port......you got ppl abt u might pull it out?
Apr 11 17:57:13 <asad> usb port*
Apr 11 17:57:47 <NAiL> myself? ;)
Apr 11 17:58:55 <asad> what would happen if u do it while it is still in........will it brick it
Apr 11 17:59:25 <NAiL> no, but you might get filesystem corruption
Apr 11 18:00:47 <asad> kinda messed up if u   have to reformat.....
Apr 11 18:01:09 <asad> i woulnd like to loose ma mp3s
Apr 11 18:04:09 <asad> ok i can see uree busy.....ill talk to u tomorrow if ure online
Apr 11 18:11:34 <jbowler> bkbits.net seems to be down...
Apr 11 18:41:11 <NAiL> hmm
Apr 11 18:41:20 <NAiL> don't think my soldering was very good...
Apr 11 18:41:21 <NAiL> usb 3-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 2
Apr 11 18:41:21 <NAiL> usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Apr 11 18:41:21 <NAiL> usb 3-1: device descriptor read/64, error -110
Apr 11 18:50:54 <NAiL> the mod *looks* nice though ;)
Apr 11 19:04:03 <NAiL> oh well... I messed up a trace on the usbkey
Apr 11 19:44:24 <rwhitby-web> [g2]: hey
Apr 11 19:44:44 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, hey sunshine!
Apr 11 19:44:58 <rwhitby-web> I got some new toys yesterday :-)
Apr 11 19:44:59 <[g2]> or should I call you cross-compiler guy :)
Apr 11 19:45:07 <[g2]> COOL,  do spill
Apr 11 19:45:12 <rwhitby-web> cross-compiler?
Apr 11 19:45:19 <rwhitby-web> oh, wl500g?
Apr 11 19:45:31 <[g2]> yeah the thread on the CVS tools :)
Apr 11 19:45:38 <[g2]> excellent on the wl500g
Apr 11 19:46:19 <[g2]> that's the little wireless, usb2.0/ethernet 2.5 hd gizmo right ?
Apr 11 19:46:20 <rwhitby-web> 1/ wl500gx (32MB ram   usb 2.0 version of wl500g), 2/ Neuston Virtuoso MC-500, 3/ Linksys WAG54Gv2 (ADSL2  wireless router), 4/ third slug
Apr 11 19:46:37 <rwhitby-web> no, wl-hdd is the 2.5hd thing
Apr 11 19:47:08 <[g2]> no ethernet on the wl500gx ?
Apr 11 19:47:13 <rwhitby-web> the last two were the freebies from Linksys Australia :-)
Apr 11 19:47:24 <[g2]> cool
Apr 11 19:47:26 <rwhitby-web> yeah, wl500gx has WAN and 4 port LAN
Apr 11 19:47:49 <[g2]> what kinda processor is in there and how much flash ?
Apr 11 19:48:24 <rwhitby-web> in about an hour's time it will also have an addition USB device socket (type B) connected to a new internal pl2303 usb->serial card (taken from one of those cables that ka6sox sourced) and connected to the internal serial console port header on the PCB.
Apr 11 19:48:28 <[g2]> you know the good boys and girls on the net have been reflashing the Zipit to run ssh right ?
Apr 11 19:48:53 <[g2]> cool serial to usb
Apr 11 19:49:17 <rwhitby-web> wl500g(x) is low on flash (only 4MB).  But it does have 2 usb 2.0 ports, and a header on the PCB for two more ports.
Apr 11 19:49:59 <[g2]> what kinda of processor ?
Apr 11 19:51:10 <rwhitby-web> mipsel
Apr 11 19:51:13 <rwhitby-web> 200MHz
Apr 11 19:51:27 <rwhitby-web> libusb runs on it well :-) - it has the right endianness
Apr 11 19:51:36 <[g2]> broadcom part ? doh!
Apr 11 19:51:47 <rwhitby-web> yep
Apr 11 19:52:01 <[g2]> I don't miss broadcom parts :)
Apr 11 19:52:34 <rwhitby-web> Oleg is doing the kernel stuff, and I have a toolchain that works with OE, so I'm happy enough.
Apr 11 19:53:06 <rwhitby-web> oh, it's uclibc too
Apr 11 19:53:22 <rwhitby-web> have you seen the webtools stuff that Styno is doing?
Apr 11 19:53:22 <[g2]> and a 2.4 kernel
Apr 11 19:53:31 <rwhitby-web> yeah
Apr 11 19:53:32 <[g2]> I saw the link the other day
Apr 11 19:53:48 <[g2]> I thought that it was a good start
Apr 11 19:54:06 <[g2]> however, I wasn't thrilled with the concept of the linear list of options
Apr 11 19:54:13 <rwhitby-web> I'm gonna run 2.4 kernel on the routers (with Unslung packages) and 2.6 kernel on the slugs (for new stuff like Bluetooth, etc).
Apr 11 19:54:57 <rwhitby-web> Styno has basically released that demo, and is now waiting for serious feedback from developers before doing more.
Apr 11 19:55:02 <[g2]> I really haven't run 2.4 (except on the wrt54g) for about 15 months now
Apr 11 19:55:29 <rwhitby-web> so you should contact him directly (tell him you're the openslug guy - I explained our development group structure to him yesterday).
Apr 11 19:55:38 <[g2]> I've been playing around with native compiles
Apr 11 19:55:54 <[g2]> I've got apache 2.0 and php5 compiled and running
Apr 11 19:56:01 <[g2]> just not together yet
Apr 11 19:56:09 <rwhitby-web> So you should be able to self-host compilation of the openslug firmware soon, right?
Apr 11 19:56:23 <rwhitby-web> *that*'s your end-goal :-)
Apr 11 19:56:28 <[g2]> I'm very close
Apr 11 19:56:49 <[g2]> there were some bugs when I ran the php5 tests
Apr 11 19:56:59 <rwhitby-web> that's the true self-hosting which we were not able to achieve for Unslung (we only got self-hosting for packages)
Apr 11 19:57:38 <[g2]> I haven't built the kernel, I could probably try again I've done a bunch since the last attempt
Apr 11 19:57:49 <rwhitby-web> I'm looking closely at thttpd php now - smaller footprint for much the same functionality that I need
Apr 11 19:58:08 <[g2]> that's what I'd actually like to run also
Apr 11 19:58:25 <[g2]> but apache is such a big name that I wanted to see if it compiled/ran
Apr 11 19:58:38 <[g2]> and it seems to so far
Apr 11 19:58:44 <rwhitby-web> there's an unslung package for that now, courtesy of Jean-Fabrice (who is our new Unslung/wl500g package release manager, like Josh is for Unslung/NSLU2).
Apr 11 19:59:07 <rwhitby-web> ("that" being thttpd plus php)
Apr 11 20:00:31 <rwhitby-web> the apache in OE was marked as broken - have you fixed that?
Apr 11 20:01:05 <[g2]> no, I've been natively compiling stuff
Apr 11 20:01:11 <rwhitby-web> Re: webtools, it's going to be developed in the nslu CVS repo, in a new "webtools" module.
Apr 11 20:01:18 <[g2]> I haven't worked out the native stuff yet
Apr 11 20:01:29 <rwhitby-web> and the plugins for the unslung packages will be incorporated with each Unslung package
Apr 11 20:01:31 <[g2]> I've got my first pass at it
Apr 11 20:01:59 <[g2]> hey my kernel config "got better"
Apr 11 20:02:17 <[g2]> I'm gonna send of the actual defconfig and build it
Apr 11 20:05:48 <rwhitby-web> well, I gotta go do some soldering ...
Apr 11 22:13:18 <cardfumbler> Why is there little or no instructions on the cross-compile toolchain on the wiki but lots on the native one? How do I setup a cross compile environment?
Apr 11 22:16:58 <jacques> unslung cvs builds its own cross-compile envi
Apr 11 22:18:45 <cardfumbler> ok, thanks
Apr 11 22:23:25 <jacques> np, good luck
Apr 11 22:53:57 <eno> looks like we don't have objcopy in the crosstool-native package, is this expected?
Apr 11 22:55:11 <jacques> hmm, I don't remember
Apr 11 22:58:13 <eno> i'm trying to compile ocaml native, it checks the existence of objcopy
Apr 11 22:59:34 <eno> so i'm building crosstool-native again, just to see whether there is an objcopy compiled
Apr 11 22:59:53 <jacques> I kinda think it's there and not being found
Apr 11 23:00:07 <eno> k
Apr 11 23:00:43 <eno> maybe missed during -ipk
Apr 11 23:05:55 <jacques> I've been out of town for a month
Apr 11 23:06:04 <jacques> starting up my unslung slug to check
Apr 11 23:06:15 <jacques> hmm boot hung on xinetd stuff
Apr 11 23:09:21 <jacques> my native toolchain has objcopy
Apr 11 23:09:49 <jacques> it's a symlink to armv5b-softfloat-linux-objcopy in /share/hdd/data/local/opt/armeb/bin
Apr 11 23:12:07 <eno> hmm, let me double check
Apr 11 23:15:13 <eno> yep, found it, but for some reason i don't have this symlink
Apr 11 23:15:22 <jacques> interesting
Apr 11 23:15:29 <jacques> it's possible I made that link manually
Apr 11 23:15:37 <jacques> been a long time
Apr 11 23:15:58 <jacques> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root     root       30 Jan 19 22:13 objcopy -> armv5b-softfloat-linux-objcopy*
Apr 11 23:16:11 <jacques> almost three months ouch
Apr 11 23:17:13 <eno> i just did that, thanks
Apr 11 23:17:53 <jacques> np, tho I do wonder why the link isn't made when the ipk is created
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