**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 14 23:59:56 2005
Apr 15 00:02:35 <perlguru> jp30: i saw your remark on libbt. i'll look into it tonight....
Apr 15 02:22:41 <rwhitby> hey all
Apr 15 02:22:52 <rwhitby> anyone new beta testing Unslung?
Apr 15 02:24:56 <rwhitby> or anyone alpha testing Unslung 4.x?
Apr 15 02:44:42 <perlguru> rwhitby: i recently re-installed unslung (last weekend)
Apr 15 02:45:24 <rwhitby> what version?
Apr 15 02:49:03 <perlguru> one moment, please....
Apr 15 02:49:10 * perlguru checking....
Apr 15 02:50:52 <perlguru> V2.3R25-uNSLUng-4.13-alpha
Apr 15 02:51:18 <perlguru> working well so far. sda1 as root
Apr 15 02:51:42 <rwhitby> database #14 is waiting for you ....
Apr 15 02:51:53 <rwhitby> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/database?method=reportRows&tbl=8
Apr 15 02:53:13 <rwhitby> 6 more alpha testers to go ....
Apr 15 02:54:38 <perlguru> i miss jp30 in the list....
Apr 15 02:57:03 <perlguru> message to all unslungers using 4.x: please add yourself the the database!
Apr 15 02:57:10 <perlguru> :)
Apr 15 03:20:40 <perlguru> rwhitby: bug #80 can be closed. not reproducable anymore. Should I put it on resolved?
Apr 15 03:21:09 <rwhitby> yep
Apr 15 03:25:04 <perlguru> done
Apr 15 03:31:11 <perlguru> uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory
Apr 15 03:31:11 <perlguru> uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory
Apr 15 03:31:11 <perlguru> uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory
Apr 15 03:31:16 <perlguru> oops
Apr 15 03:35:27 <jacques> no /proc ?
Apr 15 03:36:19 <perlguru> rwhitby: is bug #71 still relevant? If sda1 is rootfs, /tmp is ok (storage wise)
Apr 15 03:36:25 <perlguru> # cat /proc/uptime
Apr 15 03:36:25 <perlguru> 2850.41 2799.63
Apr 15 03:36:51 <perlguru> # uptime
Apr 15 03:36:51 <perlguru> uptime: couldn't get boot time: No such file or directory
Apr 15 03:37:18 <jacques> hmm
Apr 15 03:37:31 <rwhitby> perlguru: yeah 71 is fixed by Unslung 4.x
Apr 15 03:38:17 <perlguru> jacques: I was looking at slugbug #64
Apr 15 03:38:34 <perlguru> rwhitby: i'll put bug #71 on resolved
Apr 15 03:38:39 <rwhitby> yep
Apr 15 03:43:40 <perlguru> rwhitby: is #127 still an issue? 
Apr 15 04:06:20 <rwhitby> perlguru: dunno if #127 is an issue or not.  I've never experienced it.
Apr 15 04:11:39 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/php.mk: Now patches configure to ensure that it doesn't search the system library paths, but searches the staging area only instead.
Apr 15 04:14:27 <rwhitby> There - that allows php to build on my system (which has /usr/lib/libxml2.so)
Apr 15 04:34:34 <rwhitby> I'm adding code to Unslung 4.x to allow rc.bootbin to be individually diverted.
Apr 15 04:51:36 <copperbeech> rwhitby: I'm just catching up on the logs about PHP for thttpd and apache - what about the chance of adding support for appWeb while we are at it.
Apr 15 04:51:46 <copperbeech> PHP support that is...
Apr 15 04:52:02 <rwhitby> if someone knows how to do it, then submit a php-appweb package
Apr 15 04:52:29 <perlguru> or a appweb-php package
Apr 15 04:52:49 <perlguru> the buildsystem of appweb is ... well, good luck
Apr 15 04:53:05 <rwhitby> perlguru: then it wouldn't match php-apache and php-thttpd ...
Apr 15 04:55:32 <copperbeech> well it's described in detail http://www.mbedthis.com/products/appWeb/doc/source/packages.html#php500linux
Apr 15 04:56:32 <copperbeech> I'm still struggling to get colinux working with my network (home and work) so it might be a while befoere I get to it... I think my next stop is to attempt to move my /opt and install the native toolchain...
Apr 15 04:56:37 <rwhitby> does that build a static appWeb that includes PHP ?
Apr 15 04:56:54 <rwhitby> (like php-thttpd will have to do ?)
Apr 15 04:57:39 <copperbeech> no it says that "After you have built PHP, you must reference the PHP installation directory in your AppWeb configuration. You can set this via the configure command. You need to define the base directory and any libraries that will be needed when AppWeb links with the PHP library. The PHP directory MUST be a relative path to the top level AppWeb source directory. Depending on your PHP options, the list of libraries ma
Apr 15 04:58:02 <copperbeech> so I think it builds PHP ready to be used by appWeb
Apr 15 04:58:56 <rwhitby> ok, can you tell whether that PHP has to be an appWeb-only PHP, or whether PHP can be built for both apache and  appWeb in the one installation?
Apr 15 05:00:30 <copperbeech> actually I think you have the option with appWeb to either build it in or not: "--with-php5=[builtin, | module]" seems to be a build options.
Apr 15 05:03:17 <copperbeech> on http://www.mbedthis.com/products/appWeb/doc/guide/php.html is says: "AppWeb provides a PHP module for the high performance execution of PHP applications and scripts. You may use the supplied PHP library or you can replace it with a custom PHP build of your own choosing. Alternatively, you can even run PHP using the CGI interface if you have your own PHP program that you wish use."
Apr 15 05:03:33 <copperbeech> and: "The AppWeb PHP module is called libphp5Handler.so on Linux and libphp5Handler.dll on Windows. These AppWeb modules load the PHP library which is called libphp4.so on Linux and libphp4.dll on Windows. You may replace the PHP library with a custom build from the PHP source base if you wish."
Apr 15 05:04:08 <copperbeech> so it seems that it's pretty flexible and modled on a similar idea to apache?
Apr 15 05:04:53 <rwhitby> ok, that looks like you should be able to do it then
Apr 15 05:05:16 <copperbeech> yep.
Apr 15 05:06:03 <copperbeech> rwhitby: I don't know houw you have any time to actually do real work these days
Apr 15 05:06:34 <rwhitby> it's 9:30pm here.  I finished real work hours ago.
Apr 15 05:07:04 <rwhitby> jp30 does all the work here these days :-)
Apr 15 05:07:15 <perlguru> #114?
Apr 15 05:07:50 <rwhitby> yeah, I think I just fixed that :-)
Apr 15 05:08:00 <copperbeech> :-) I see - have you had any response from LinkSys after all the work that's gone on here? Have they showed any interest in it at all?
Apr 15 05:09:14 <rwhitby> I got a personal email from a contact in Linksys Australia: "Just wanted to drop
Apr 15 05:09:14 <rwhitby> you a line and commend you on the very interesting work you and others have
Apr 15 05:09:14 <rwhitby> been doing on the NSLU2 developments - quite amazing the range of different
Apr 15 05:09:14 <rwhitby> projects that have been put together for it."
Apr 15 05:09:59 <rwhitby> And he sent me a WAG54Gv2 and an NSLU2 as a nice thank you gift for helping them out with the Telstra Heartbeat problems last year.
Apr 15 05:10:21 <rwhitby> But I doubt that can be counted as an official Linksys position.
Apr 15 05:10:22 <copperbeech> appWeb: actually might not need any recompilation at all if the php binary is available separately: ...
Apr 15 05:10:24 <copperbeech> AddHandler cgiHandler .cgi .cgi-nph .bat .cmd .pl .py
Apr 15 05:10:25 <copperbeech> Action application/x-appWeb-php /usr/bin/php
Apr 15 05:10:46 <copperbeech> note: If you need to use PHP via CGI, be aware that PHP will run much more slowly. This will be especially aparent for small scripts where the load time for each script will be the dominant overhead.
Apr 15 05:11:58 <copperbeech> rwhitby: nice to know they are aware of unslung/openslug :-) 
Apr 15 05:12:14 <rwhitby> So it seems that Linksys Australia at least are well aware of nslu2-linux, and at least do not disapprove at the engineering level.
Apr 15 05:13:53 <rwhitby> I'm going to increase the delay in /etc/rc in Unslung 4.x from 5 seconds to 10 seconds - that should remove any possibility of people's disks not mounting due to slow response.  Anyone who thinks that is too long can just modify it themselves after they unsling.
Apr 15 05:20:24 * perlguru remembers his OneTouch took about 7 secs to be recognized....
Apr 15 05:25:31 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3213.1.1 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Unslung 4.14-alpha - Increased the USB disk startup wait to 10 seconds, and added the ability to divert rc.bootbin
Apr 15 05:35:05 <copperbeech> appWeb: from source file php5Handler.cpp: 
Apr 15 05:35:11 <copperbeech> appWeb: This file can be built as an AppWeb module that links in the PHP library. It can also be built to be a SAPI module so that when PHP is built, it creates an appWeb module.
Apr 15 05:41:17 <copperbeech> ipkg list
Apr 15 05:41:27 <copperbeech> ... oops wrong console.
Apr 15 05:45:55 <rwhitby> ok, unslung-4.14-alpha.bin is up on nslu.sf.net/downloads for those who want to alpha test it
Apr 15 05:46:02 <rwhitby> (an IRC treat only)
Apr 15 05:46:51 <rwhitby> md5sum is 9f535e02d488a299f3b775fd8bd58714
Apr 15 05:49:54 <rwhitby> "Torvalds knifes Tridgell" - http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/index.cfm?action=detail&PostNum=3322&Thread=2&entryID=49312&roomID=11
Apr 15 05:57:56 <copperbeech> says invalid host name.
Apr 15 05:58:12 <copperbeech> ... the link I mean
Apr 15 05:59:14 <rwhitby> weird.  it was there five minutes ago
Apr 15 05:59:53 <copperbeech> perhaps it's beel /. or something
Apr 15 06:00:04 <copperbeech> * beel = been
Apr 15 06:00:21 <rwhitby> register: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/04/14/torvalds_attacks_tridgell/
Apr 15 06:08:43 <copperbeech> it's turning into rather a deep philosophical issue. Can Linus avoid the OS philosophy debate now?
Apr 15 06:09:34 <rwhitby> Looks like the BK replacement might be called "git".
Apr 15 06:09:44 <rwhitby> http://kerneltrap.org/node/4982
Apr 15 06:16:51 * copperbeech laughs - that's getting a bit close to the bone.
Apr 15 06:31:17 <rwhitby> Hmm - maybe I'll make a "git" Unlsung package :-)
Apr 15 06:31:41 <rwhitby> Maybe Unslung will be the first distro with a "git" package ....
Apr 15 06:36:33 <copperbeech> it will be interesting to see just how quickly "git" gets built. Could be an interesting metric for the FOSS community.
Apr 15 06:52:27 <rwhitby> ok, it's cross-compiled, now to package it.
Apr 15 06:54:47 <rwhitby> packaged, let's see if it runs ...
Apr 15 07:05:09 <rwhitby> requires cut and rsync.  install coreutils and rsync (adding cut to slingbox).
Apr 15 07:08:46 <rwhitby> requires mktemp and patch, replacing coreutils with busybox and installing patch
Apr 15 07:10:31 <rwhitby> requires mktemp which understands -t
Apr 15 07:14:34 <ka6sox> morning
Apr 15 07:14:43 <rwhitby> morning
Apr 15 07:20:47 <copperbeech> ipkg upgrade is awesome, and just a little bit scary!
Apr 15 07:21:03 <rwhitby> on openslug or unslung?
Apr 15 07:21:13 <ka6sox> for the benefit of us Yanks...what does the term "git" mean.
Apr 15 07:21:17 <copperbeech> just unslung
Apr 15 07:21:30 <rwhitby> ka6sox: "stupid git"
Apr 15 07:21:41 <rwhitby> copperbeech: you should try it on openslug ...
Apr 15 07:22:06 <ka6sox> git == fool?
Apr 15 07:22:50 <copperbeech> git: http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=git
Apr 15 07:22:56 <rwhitby> n : a person who is deemed to be despicable or contemptible; "only a rotter would do that"; "kill the rat"; "throw the bum out"; "you cowardly little pukes!"; "the British call a contemptible person a `git'" [syn: rotter, dirty dog, rat, skunk, stinker, stinkpot, bum, puke, crumb, lowlife, scum bag, so-and-so]
Apr 15 07:23:07 <copperbeech> it desn't mention UK as a source of the expression too :-)
Apr 15 07:25:05 <copperbeech> rwhitby: I just spent a weekend (and many WAF brownie point) recently upgrading my single (operational) slug to unslung 3.17 - so OpenSlug is for a weekend in the future :-D 
Apr 15 07:25:27 <rwhitby> copperbeech: should have gone to 4.14 instead :-)
Apr 15 07:25:49 <copperbeech> I'm very interested in the GUI work going on. That is an important part in the development for the techno-illiterate end user :-)
Apr 15 07:26:42 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/mktemp.mk: mktemp - required by git
Apr 15 07:26:48 <copperbeech> rwhitby: yes - I think my "weekend" was just before 4.x came out or I would definately have gone for that. I'm very interested in getting the printer capability up and working
Apr 15 07:32:42 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/busybox/defconfig: Added MKFIFO and removed MKTEMP.
Apr 15 07:33:31 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/mktemp.mk: No longer conflicts with busybox.
Apr 15 07:34:33 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/busybox.mk: Added MKFIFO and removed MKTEMP.
Apr 15 07:37:12 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (make/git.mk sources/git/struct-stat.patch): GIT - Linus Torvald's source management system
Apr 15 07:42:51 <ka6sox> Unslung 4.x - the first Distro with git standard!
Apr 15 07:50:57 <rwhitby> Hmm - I think there is an endian problem.
Apr 15 07:52:48 <rwhitby> builds for wl500g too :-)
Apr 15 07:59:50 <ka6sox> I can see it now...my wl-hdd is a git repo...
Apr 15 08:00:17 <ka6sox> (I expect i'll get it today.
Apr 15 08:04:35 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (make/git.mk sources/git/endian.patch): Added Russell King's endian patch
Apr 15 08:15:12 <rwhitby> Didn't seem to fix the problem.
Apr 15 08:27:39 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/textutils.mk: GNU Text Utilities
Apr 15 08:34:49 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/git.mk: Changed dependency from busybox to textutils.
Apr 15 08:34:50 <rwhitby> heh - worked on the wl500g :-)
Apr 15 08:36:37 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Added mktemp, textutils, and git (Linus's CM system).
Apr 15 08:38:01 <rwhitby> Looks like Unslung/wl500g is the first distro with a working git.
Apr 15 08:39:09 <rwhitby> ka6sox: you have the opportunity to have the world's first embedded git server :-)
Apr 15 08:39:55 <ka6sox> Gastro?
Apr 15 08:40:02 <rwhitby> no, your new wl-hdd
Apr 15 08:40:08 <ka6sox> ah...cool
Apr 15 08:40:23 <ka6sox> when I get oleg's software on there I'll install it!
Apr 15 08:42:09 <rwhitby> let's see if I can pull the latest from linus's tree
Apr 15 08:43:29 <rwhitby> [root@wl500gx temp]$ git pull linus
Apr 15 08:43:29 <rwhitby> Up to date.
Apr 15 08:43:29 <rwhitby> [root@wl500gx temp]$
Apr 15 08:43:37 <rwhitby> (that was the second pull)
Apr 15 08:46:09 <ka6sox> sweety
Apr 15 08:49:15 <ka6sox> off to the mine
Apr 15 08:49:18 <ka6sox> cya later
Apr 15 08:49:23 <rwhitby> bye
Apr 15 09:39:49 <NAiL> hmm
Apr 15 09:40:09 <NAiL> Would git be hard to "git" on the nslu2?
Apr 15 10:11:13 <ka6sox-office> NAiL, yes I'm installing it.
Apr 15 10:24:04 <NAiL> cool
Apr 15 10:33:59 <NAiL> ka6sox-office: for unslung or openslug?
Apr 15 10:57:14 <ka6sox-office> NAiL, unslung
Apr 15 10:57:29 <ka6sox-office> and soon(tm) WL500G
Apr 15 11:23:06 <giel> ~rtfw
Apr 15 11:23:08 <jbot> somebody said rtfw was Read That F*cking Wiki, the one at http://www.voip-info.org/tiki-index.php
Apr 15 11:23:11 <giel> ah, ok
Apr 15 11:23:30 <NAiL> return to f*cking wolfenstein?
Apr 15 11:23:51 <giel> i just thought rtfw was a funny acronym, but apparently gmta
Apr 15 11:24:21 <NAiL> ~gmta
Apr 15 11:24:22 <jbot> well, gmta is Great Minds Think Alike
Apr 15 11:24:37 <NAiL> heh
Apr 15 11:29:24 <ka6sox-office> jp30-work, perlguru picked up the slugbug...and said he would work on it tonight.
Apr 15 11:31:11 <jp30-work> hi, ka6sox: thanks for passing that along
Apr 15 11:31:31 <ka6sox-office> np...just doing my yab
Apr 15 12:09:10 <jp30-work> pTweety, ping
Apr 15 12:09:54 <perlguru> jp30-work, ping
Apr 15 12:10:10 <jp30-work> hi, perlguru
Apr 15 12:10:29 <perlguru> he, i am working on libbt right now. strange error....
Apr 15 12:10:47 <jp30-work> yes, can you reproduce it?
Apr 15 12:11:00 <perlguru> it got a #define malloc use_btmalloc_instead
Apr 15 12:11:13 <perlguru> but there are no malloc calls
Apr 15 12:12:22 <jp30-work> yes, it looked to me as though strdup() might have been defined as a macro containing a malloc() invocation
Apr 15 12:14:34 <perlguru> the question is, why did it work before and borks now....
Apr 15 12:15:07 <jp30-work> i added -O2 to TARGET_CFLAGS, that might have something to do with it
Apr 15 12:15:17 <jp30-work> ...checking...
Apr 15 12:15:43 <jp30-work> yes, types.c compiles OK w/ -O0
Apr 15 12:15:48 <pTweety> jp30-work: pong
Apr 15 12:16:05 <jp30-work> hi, pTweety, wanted to ask you about cyrus-imapd
Apr 15 12:16:18 <pTweety> yepp?
Apr 15 12:17:04 <jp30-work> it seems to be getting confused by the presence of libcom_err.a in /opt/lib on the official build slug
Apr 15 12:17:35 <jp30-work> ...dies during configure.
Apr 15 12:17:52 <jp30-work> libcom_err.a is supplied by e2fsprogs
Apr 15 12:17:54 <pTweety> what is libcom_err.a?
Apr 15 12:17:58 <pTweety> ah
Apr 15 12:19:03 <jp30-work> i think the problem may be that e2fsprogs provides libraries but not headers. the lib stops cyrus from using its built-in libcom_err, but then it fails because it can't find any headers
Apr 15 12:19:21 <jp30-work> ...one solution might be to have cyrus stage e2fsprogs
Apr 15 12:20:04 <jp30-work> ...what do you think?
Apr 15 12:20:29 <pTweety> well, not too much atm ;-)
Apr 15 12:20:37 <pTweety> i have to check it first
Apr 15 12:20:42 <perlguru> adding LIBBT_CFLAGS=-00 fixes it also :)
Apr 15 12:21:05 <pTweety> can you explain this to me, please?
Apr 15 12:21:26 <perlguru> pTweety, not for you, but for libbt
Apr 15 12:23:26 <jp30-work> perlguru, probably best to find a way to compile libbt with optimization :) the reason i added -O2 to CFLAGS was that many packages were being compiled with no optimization!
Apr 15 12:24:47 <jp30-work> my guess is that optimization is triggering strdup() to be defined as a macro somehow
Apr 15 12:29:33 <pTweety> jp30-work, shouldn't e2fsprogs install the headers?
Apr 15 12:30:02 <pTweety> or maybe there can be a -deveö packages with the headers inside?
Apr 15 12:30:09 <pTweety> -devel
Apr 15 12:32:37 <pTweety> jp30-work, since when is e2fsprogs installed on the build machine? this is new, isn't it?
Apr 15 12:34:44 <jp30-work> pTweety, that could be what has changed. i don't know how long e2fsprogs has been on the build system.
Apr 15 12:35:34 <jp30-work> ...if you're right, then staging it from cyrus-imapd would be the solution
Apr 15 12:36:00 <jp30-work> ...i'm trying that now
Apr 15 12:36:01 <pTweety> well, I'll go and check it and put a commit cyrus-imapd.mk later
Apr 15 12:36:10 <pTweety> ok, let me know
Apr 15 12:37:08 <pTweety> cause my slug has a high load all the time
Apr 15 12:37:36 <perlguru> jp30-work, found a patch on my Gentoo system. It seems to fix it....
Apr 15 12:40:32 <jp30-work> perlguru, great! commit it and i'll check if that fixes the problem for me
Apr 15 12:40:33 <CIA-9> 03mkoster1605 * 10unslung/ (make/libbt.mk sources/libbt/libbt-headerfix.patch): 
Apr 15 12:40:35 <CIA-9> Fixes for bug #136:
Apr 15 12:40:35 <CIA-9>  added libbt-headerfix.patch from Gentoo
Apr 15 12:40:36 <perlguru> ok, committed the changes
Apr 15 12:40:48 <perlguru> please try it, jp30-work ...
Apr 15 12:42:59 <jp30-work> perlguru, checking now
Apr 15 12:43:31 <jp30-work> pTweety, staging e2fsprogs fixed the problem. OK if I commit the needed changes to cyrus-imapd.mk?
Apr 15 12:44:03 <pTweety> yes, but I have to do more on this package
Apr 15 12:44:25 <pTweety> there are two more options in imapd.conf required
Apr 15 12:44:29 <perlguru> ~seen bob_tm
Apr 15 12:44:41 <jbot> bob_tm <~chatzilla@51.80-203-35.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 21d 7h 41m 21s ago, saying: 'rwhitby-asleep: Well, it is the small matter of a running slug kernel...'.
Apr 15 12:44:48 <perlguru> ~seen bob_tm-away
Apr 15 12:44:50 <jbot> bob_tm-away <~chatzilla@51.80-203-35.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 20d 7h 30s ago, saying: 'Guess not'.
Apr 15 12:45:03 <pTweety> I had issues with db-files in skiplist format
Apr 15 12:47:07 <jp30-work> perlguru, libbt is working again
Apr 15 12:47:22 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote libbt
Apr 15 12:47:32 <copperbeech> perlguru: was it you that created the original ipkg?
Apr 15 12:47:37 <copperbeech> ... for appWeb
Apr 15 12:48:40 <jp30-work> pTweety, ok, i'll leave to you then
Apr 15 12:49:50 <pTweety> no no, please check it in. I just want to add something more ;-)
Apr 15 12:50:20 <perlguru> copperbeech, i created the ipkg, the patches are from the Yahoo group
Apr 15 12:50:56 <perlguru> ah, appWeb. Yes i created that one also
Apr 15 12:51:15 <perlguru> rwhitby made some fixes also
Apr 15 12:52:18 <ka6sox-office> the cvs history has all the changes.
Apr 15 12:52:52 <perlguru> yep
Apr 15 12:52:54 <CIA-9> 03ptweety * 10unslung/sources/cyrus-imapd/imapd.conf: changed default for mailboxes.db db-file format
Apr 15 12:54:08 <copperbeech> perlguru: was there any reason why the makefile doesn't include the libmpr.so ?
Apr 15 12:55:09 <perlguru> no reason. i just made it work. no fancy stuff added.
Apr 15 12:55:29 <perlguru> if you want it, add it....
Apr 15 12:55:38 <perlguru> (and make it work)
Apr 15 12:56:28 <copperbeech> hmmm: ok I'm trying to get the toolchain set up at the mo so will need to get back with that :-)
Apr 15 12:56:42 <copperbeech> perlguru: P.S. you with LCMG nl?
Apr 15 12:57:32 <perlguru> yes
Apr 15 12:57:47 <perlguru> Arnhem
Apr 15 12:58:11 <copperbeech> I'm with LCMG UK (Leatherdead) :-)
Apr 15 12:58:23 <perlguru> hi, collegue!
Apr 15 12:58:30 <copperbeech> he he!
Apr 15 12:58:48 <copperbeech> I thought I saw the LCMG proxy on the wiki :-)
Apr 15 12:58:52 <perlguru> transfered recently from Wireless Networks
Apr 15 12:59:07 <perlguru> to Public Sector in Arnhem
Apr 15 12:59:15 <copperbeech> I'm just transfering from Space Division to Government 
Apr 15 12:59:33 <perlguru> cool
Apr 15 12:59:47 <copperbeech> What sort of thing you working on in Public Sector?
Apr 15 13:00:44 <perlguru> nohing at the moment, still waiting...
Apr 15 13:01:53 <perlguru> getting a training next two weeks (Test Analist)
Apr 15 13:04:26 <copperbeech> That's cool - how long have you been with LCMG?
Apr 15 13:04:34 <perlguru> 5.5 years
Apr 15 13:05:39 <copperbeech> just done 7.5 :-)
Apr 15 13:06:38 <perlguru> are yoe ex-CMG or ex-Logica?
Apr 15 13:07:01 <copperbeech> ex Logica.. you?
Apr 15 13:07:08 <perlguru> CMG
Apr 15 13:07:21 <perlguru> nice
Apr 15 13:07:28 <copperbeech> you found things have changed much?
Apr 15 13:08:24 <perlguru> some things changed, much is the same
Apr 15 13:08:42 <copperbeech> yeah, sounds familiar :-)
Apr 15 13:13:32 <ka6sox-office> Old Home Week.
Apr 15 13:13:36 <ka6sox-office> :)
Apr 15 13:15:28 * perlguru still getting older ;)
Apr 15 13:17:49 <giel> okay guys, check my weird hostmask
Apr 15 13:17:54 <giel> i'm from planet invalid
Apr 15 13:18:18 <perlguru> giel is an alien :D
Apr 15 13:18:42 <giel> finally my cover got blown
Apr 15 13:19:07 <perlguru> SlugTrek
Apr 15 13:28:19 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/cyrus-imapd.mk: cyrus-imapd: stage e2fsprogs
Apr 15 13:47:48 <pTweety> jp30-work: thanks
Apr 15 16:56:31 <ka6sox-office> scanline: ping
Apr 15 16:58:32 <rwhitby-away> jp30-work: can you do an Unslung package feed push please?
Apr 15 17:01:30 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/git.mk: Changed dependency to coreutils, cause coreutils supercedes textutils.
Apr 15 17:01:53 <jp30-work> rwhitby-away, i did a push this morning, what has changed?
Apr 15 17:02:14 <rwhitby-away> Hmm - did "git" make it to the feed?
Apr 15 17:02:33 <jp30-work> i'll look
Apr 15 17:04:21 <rwhitby-away> ok, thanks.  No hurry.  Back later ....
Apr 15 17:04:41 <jp30-work> no it didn't. i'll set up a make && make upload now
Apr 15 17:05:19 <rwhitby-away> Hmm - the makefile on nudi should have picked it up automagically.
Apr 15 17:06:49 <jp30-work> rwhitby, i've got to run now too. i wanted to ask you about whether it was the Right Thing to include -O2 in TARGET_OPTIMIZATIONS. a number of packages were never compiled with any -O flag, but i wondered why it wasn't there to begin with.
Apr 15 17:07:25 <jp30-work> ...if you have urgent views on the matter, email will reach me. bye for now
Apr 15 17:08:23 <rwhitby-away> no reason why it wasn't there.
Apr 15 17:08:30 <ka6sox-office> cool
Apr 15 19:30:35 <rwhitby-away> [g2]: hey
Apr 15 19:30:44 <[g2]> howdy howdy!
Apr 15 19:31:01 <[g2]> How's the MAN from down-under :)
Apr 15 19:31:20 <rwhitby-away> good
Apr 15 19:31:29 <[g2]> excellent
Apr 15 19:31:45 <[g2]> Did I tell you about my big soldering exploits yesterday ?
Apr 15 19:32:00 <rwhitby-away> no, didn't see that.
Apr 15 19:32:06 <[g2]> Ahh...
Apr 15 19:32:24 <[g2]> Hey I successfully serial enable another slug of mine
Apr 15 19:32:35 <rwhitby-away> BTW, the "git" mailing list is very interesting reading.
Apr 15 19:33:01 <[g2]> I know it's not big news soldering history, but a little personal victory
Apr 15 19:33:22 * [g2] wrestles and pins the soldering daemon round 1
Apr 15 19:33:23 <rwhitby-away> good job
Apr 15 19:33:47 <[g2]> what's "git" ?
Apr 15 19:34:34 <rwhitby-away> Linus's replacement for BK
Apr 15 19:34:46 <[g2]> Oh really ?
Apr 15 19:34:48 <rwhitby-away> you can watch it being developed by him from scratch in that mailing list
Apr 15 19:35:04 <rwhitby-away> Unslung/wl500g is the world's first distro to have it as a standard package :-)
Apr 15 19:35:22 <[g2]> what's it do ?
Apr 15 19:35:26 <rwhitby-away> Unslung/nslu2 as well, but there is an endian problem
Apr 15 19:35:40 <rwhitby-away> Large-scale CM
Apr 15 19:36:04 <[g2]> url ?
Apr 15 19:36:29 <krod_laptop> is buying a linkysys nslu2 worth it, if you are just going to use it for nslu2-linux?
Apr 15 19:37:00 <[g2]> krod_laptop, what do you want to do with it ?
Apr 15 19:38:44 <krod_laptop> i don't know yet, but i am sure i can find *some* use for it
Apr 15 19:38:59 <krod_laptop> Nslu2-Linux is intriguing 
Apr 15 19:39:15 <krod_laptop> maybe replace my http server, or something like that
Apr 15 19:39:20 <[g2]> some ppl might say addicting
Apr 15 19:39:38 <[g2]> what http server sw are you running ?
Apr 15 19:39:50 <krod_laptop> apache
Apr 15 19:39:57 <[g2]> 1.x or 2.x
Apr 15 19:40:01 <krod_laptop> 2.x
Apr 15 19:40:05 <[g2]> and any modules / cgi ?
Apr 15 19:40:12 <rwhitby-away> http://pasky.or.cz/~pasky/dev/git/
Apr 15 19:40:18 <krod_laptop> cgi, php
Apr 15 19:40:19 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, thx
Apr 15 19:40:26 <rwhitby-away> http://lwn.net/Articles/131313/
Apr 15 19:40:28 <[g2]> perl cgi ?
Apr 15 19:40:46 <rwhitby-away> back later
Apr 15 19:40:54 <krod_laptop> yes
Apr 15 19:41:35 <krod_laptop> and how much does the nslu2 cost generally, i saw it in the local computer store ahwile ago...but i can't remember the exact price
Apr 15 19:43:29 <[g2]> $80 US amazon
Apr 15 19:44:12 <krod_laptop> oh, thats not bad..
Apr 15 20:04:45 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, have you seen any info on the ixp465 ?
Apr 15 20:41:04 <beewoolie-away> Good to see the word being spread.
Apr 15 20:42:53 <rwhitby-away> which word?
Apr 15 21:09:26 <rwhitby-away> Hmm - even putting binary images on nslu.sf.net/downloads is not enough to get more alpha testers for Unslung 4.x ...
Apr 15 21:17:43 <beewoolie-away> rwhitby-away: I was noticing that [g2] was telling krod about buying slugs.
Apr 15 21:18:31 <beewoolie-away> rwhitby-away: Also, I'll take a look at it this weekend.  I just got a kit to convert an only scsi enclosure into a USB enclosure w/120G it only cost me $100.
Apr 15 21:39:23 <rwhitby-away> cool
Apr 15 22:23:58 <CIA-9> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (sources/jabber/Makefile.patch make/jabber.mk): packaging jabber - work in progress
Apr 15 22:33:34 <ka6sox-away> rwhitby-away, ping
Apr 15 23:07:43 <rwhitby-away> pong
Apr 15 23:33:08 <copperbeech> anyone here used the native toolchain much?
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