**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Apr 24 23:59:56 2005
Apr 25 01:30:41 <jf-work> 'morning rod
Apr 25 01:30:50 <rwhitby> g;day
Apr 25 01:30:55 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/samba/postinst: Fixed a typo in the instructions.
Apr 25 01:32:00 <rwhitby> jf-work: I did a half distclean by mistake in your area on nudi.  you may want to do a distclean and rebuild in case I deleted any built stuff (most of it was permissions denied).
Apr 25 01:32:22 <jf-work> rwhitby: ok
Apr 25 01:33:01 <jf-work> btw, I still have troubles with my .mk :(
Apr 25 01:33:13 <rwhitby> dyoung: : hey
Apr 25 01:33:24 <rwhitby> jf-work: what's the problem again?
Apr 25 01:33:34 <jf-work> redefining of target
Apr 25 01:33:41 <dyoung> Hi.
Apr 25 01:34:15 <rwhitby> jf-work: even after deleting the download targets in php-thttpd, and letting the corresponding targets in php.mk and thttpd.mk do the downloading for you?
Apr 25 01:34:27 <rwhitby> dyoung: any advance on 4.x testing?
Apr 25 01:34:55 <rwhitby> dyoung: I've just done an unsling jffs-hdd-conf so that I can write and test a slingover script
Apr 25 01:35:07 <dyoung> Nope; I was actually waiting for you to finish writing slingover. ;-)
Apr 25 01:35:20 <rwhitby> hopefully I will get to that tonight (Elise willing)
Apr 25 01:35:22 <jf-work> deleting the download target and using (PHP_SOURCE) makes no source downloaded
Apr 25 01:35:31 <dyoung> If its not on the menu today, I'll just go ahead and test the image on there now.
Apr 25 01:36:01 <rwhitby> It won't be for at least two hours and maybe four.
Apr 25 01:36:16 <rwhitby> and you can just scp the script up later to test it
Apr 25 01:37:30 <rwhitby> I just put an 80Gb drive in slug-central (will upload a new photo later), and want to get Samba 3 up to scratch so I can share it to windows properly.  At the moment, it seems that the samba package doesn't install a default conf file.
Apr 25 01:38:07 <jf-work> rwhitby: but I can do without for now. The main problem I have is with thread-safe. thttpd doesn't compile with php thread-safe
Apr 25 01:38:41 <dyoung> Okay; I'll just get the current binary.
Apr 25 01:39:00 <dyoung> and "follow the directions". ;-)
Apr 25 01:39:32 <rwhitby> dyoung: : yeah, do the clueless newbie test on the README
Apr 25 01:39:49 <rwhitby> the new Vantec3 usb enclosure looks really good next to a slug
Apr 25 01:40:04 <jf-work> rwhitby: have updated slug-central pics ?
Apr 25 01:49:34 <rwhitby> http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central/IMGP3675
Apr 25 01:50:23 <jf-work> btw, how did you so fast sold your wl500g ?
Apr 25 01:50:34 <rwhitby> guy at work.
Apr 25 01:51:06 <rwhitby> he had an old Linksys BFS.... which doesn't have open source firmware, and was having BigPond dropout problems.
Apr 25 01:51:07 <jf-work> good work.
Apr 25 01:51:29 <rwhitby> Same with the old wrt54gs - sold that to another guy at work.
Apr 25 01:51:45 <jf-work> nobody cares about open source and/or rouetr appliance at mine
Apr 25 01:52:09 <rwhitby> you need to educate them :-)
Apr 25 01:52:32 <rwhitby> dyoung: did you buy the network media player?
Apr 25 01:52:36 <jf-work> telco guys can't be educated. and I'm to young in O.S
Apr 25 01:53:28 <dyoung> I didnt yet. thats for next week.
Apr 25 01:53:41 <dyoung> This week I got distracted with a a good deal on a downhill bike. ;-)
Apr 25 01:53:47 <rwhitby> I'm going to test out this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenMC500/HomePage tonight
Apr 25 01:54:05 <rwhitby> I put that empty page there, and someone filled it up with good info for me :-)
Apr 25 01:54:38 <dyoung> Even though [g2] says bikes have the highest rate of per traveller-mile of accident.
Apr 25 01:54:57 <dyoung> I'm hoping by the time I get one all the details will already be worked out. ;-)
Apr 25 01:56:49 <dyoung> wow. looks pretty straightforward.
Apr 25 01:56:56 <dyoung> I guess the key is making PHP work good.
Apr 25 01:57:55 <rwhitby> yep, which jp30 and jf-work are working out for us :-)  phpmyadmin works well!
Apr 25 01:58:14 <dyoung> what a coup for our laziness!
Apr 25 01:58:33 <jf-work> dyoung: maybe you can give your opinion about thread-safe support on php :)
Apr 25 01:59:06 <dyoung> Too lazy. ;-)
Apr 25 01:59:26 <jf-work> ok. so no thread-safe
Apr 25 01:59:28 <jf-work> :)
Apr 25 01:59:29 <dyoung> Actually, I dont fully understand the issues with PHP, so i'm really not qualified.
Apr 25 01:59:58 <dyoung> my broke slug should be booting now.
Apr 25 02:00:13 <dyoung> this one has the firmware with the busted ipkg.
Apr 25 02:00:16 <jf-work> the problem is mainly on multiple web server support with the same php-base
Apr 25 02:00:53 <dyoung> ie: thttpd AND apache?
Apr 25 02:01:01 <jf-work> yep
Apr 25 02:01:14 <dyoung> I would think that Joe User would use one or the other?
Apr 25 02:01:28 <jf-work> thttpd is select based and apache is multi-threaded
Apr 25 02:02:03 <jf-work> but both should (according to rod, and he may be right) use the same php package
Apr 25 02:02:34 <dyoung> that sounds like the better idea.
Apr 25 02:02:52 <dyoung> instead of php-apache and php-thttpd
Apr 25 02:03:16 <jf-work> yep. jp30 would like to use a (not so common - I guess) option to make php thread-safe
Apr 25 02:03:52 <jf-work> and thttpd doesn't compile fine when this option is activated
Apr 25 02:04:12 <rwhitby> dyoung: php-apache builds the apache module for php, php-thttpd builds thttpd with php included (has to be static for thttpd), and php is all the common php extensions stuff
Apr 25 02:04:56 <rwhitby> jf-work: do you know if building the thttpd without the thread stuff precludes using the extensions?   Are the extensions tied to the thread stuff too?
Apr 25 02:05:35 <rwhitby> I think it would be fine to have a thread-safe php apache module, but not thread-safe thttpd (cause it doesn't use threads), as long as the extensions would work fine with both.
Apr 25 02:06:21 <jf-work> rwhitby: well, php-thttpd compiles fine without thread-safe option. I was happy when I saw it. But when I launch it, it refuses to load modules form php as they where compiled with t.s.
Apr 25 02:07:08 <rwhitby> ok, so there is an incompatibility.  we will need to talk to jp30 and see how important the thread safe stuff is.
Apr 25 02:08:06 <jf-work> rwhitby: agree. Or maybe s.o can check my thttpd compile errors to see if I miss something
Apr 25 02:08:53 <jf-work> I have a look at google and it appears that trhead-safe option is rarely used... definitively have to talk with jp30
Apr 25 02:10:26 <rwhitby> I think point #2 here (http://www.bitstorm.org/edwin/en/php-sucks/) is why jp30 wants it
Apr 25 02:10:48 <rwhitby> He wants to run a multi-threaded apache2 instead of a pre-fork version.
Apr 25 02:11:02 <rwhitby> (which makes a lot of sense on a small-ram device)
Apr 25 02:11:40 <rwhitby> bbiab (kid's bath time)
Apr 25 02:48:11 <MooZ> hy
Apr 25 02:52:13 <dyoung> hmm
Apr 25 02:53:10 <rwhitby> nslu2-noob: what'ya found?
Apr 25 02:54:08 <MooZ> i just wanted to say that bash blogger runs fine on the slug
Apr 25 02:54:23 <nslu2-noob> The webpage upgrade failed
Apr 25 02:54:34 <nslu2-noob> so I followed the instructions to telnet into redboot
Apr 25 02:54:39 <rwhitby> jf-work: we could always compile php with thread-safe for apache for nslu2 (and not support thttpd on nslu2) and compile php non-thread-safe for thttpd on wl500g (and not support apache on wl500g)
Apr 25 02:54:46 <nslu2-noob> and used the upslug method to reflash
Apr 25 02:54:49 <rwhitby> nslu2-noob: disk attached?
Apr 25 02:55:11 <nslu2-noob> Yes
Apr 25 02:55:14 <nslu2-noob> or no rather
Apr 25 02:55:21 <nslu2-noob> I was following the readme.
Apr 25 02:55:33 <rwhitby> in maintenance mode?
Apr 25 02:55:46 <nslu2-noob> heh, thats one of the issues.
Apr 25 02:55:56 <nslu2-noob> it lets me update whether or not I'm in maintmode.
Apr 25 02:56:27 <rwhitby> right. but if you updated not in maint mode, then you weren't following the instructions, and deserve to reflash :-)
Apr 25 02:56:44 <rwhitby> just like a real noob :-)
Apr 25 02:58:20 <nslu2-noob> On the plus side, i can unsling to extdisk now
Apr 25 03:01:08 <dyoung> seems the startup files stlil start thigns up like theyre supposed to
Apr 25 03:03:03 <MooZ> dunno if it's the right place the ask, but which program does the scandisk from the nslu2 web interface launch? fsck.ex3 ?
Apr 25 03:04:42 <rwhitby> MooZ: : eventually, there is a lot of linksys binary stuff between the web interface and the fsck actually running
Apr 25 03:05:05 <MooZ> ok
Apr 25 03:05:07 <rwhitby> dyoung: so any changes to README so far?
Apr 25 03:05:10 <jf-work> rwhitby: that means having two php package : one with TS enabled and the second without ?
Apr 25 03:05:19 <MooZ> i'll launch fsck.ext3 manually then
Apr 25 03:05:40 <rwhitby> jf-work: no, just one set of packages, but different compile options depending on the target (wl500g or nslu2)
Apr 25 03:05:57 <rwhitby> but we would only do that if the threaded version of apache was as memory efficient as thttpd
Apr 25 03:06:49 <jf-work> rwhitby: as thttpd will need to depend on a non thread-safe php package, how can you do this ?
Apr 25 03:07:10 <rwhitby> not support thttpd at all for nslu2, and only do thread-safe stuff for the nslu2 target
Apr 25 03:08:27 <jf-work> so no synchronizing php for different web server.
Apr 25 03:09:41 <jf-work> and have php-thttpd depends on libxml2, openssl, etc... like php.mk ?
Apr 25 03:10:44 <rwhitby> jf-work: if we are to support threaded apache with php on nslu2 only, and non-threaded thttpd with non-threaded php on wl500g, then they will be the same in every respect except the thread-safe setting.
Apr 25 03:11:26 <jf-work> ok
Apr 25 03:11:34 <rwhitby> no change to current scheme, just make the thread-safe setting (in all related packages) conditional on UNSLUNG_TARGET, and only support apache on nslu2 and thttpd on wl500g
Apr 25 03:11:44 <rwhitby> no apache on wl500g, and no thttpd on nslu2
Apr 25 03:12:22 <rwhitby> that would be the only way to go without having to have two sets of packages for both (one thread-safe, and one non-thread-safe)
Apr 25 03:12:28 <dyoung> The README is fine.
Apr 25 03:12:29 <jf-work> So I will make change on php.mk to have conditional on UNSLUNG TARGET
Apr 25 03:12:54 <dyoung> theres some verbage that may lead to confusion; but should be okay.
Apr 25 03:43:29 <jf-work> rwhitby: I change php.mk by just moving --enable-maintainer-zts to the conditional configure for wl500g. Building now. 
Apr 25 03:44:34 <rwhitby> jf-work: sounds good.  I doubt that anyone will be running apache on wl500g due to memory limitations.
Apr 25 03:45:13 <jf-work> yep. That's why I'm seriously thinking buying a wired :( nslu2
Apr 25 03:46:23 <rwhitby> dyoung: just got the openshowcenter page up on the neuston served from the unslung slug
Apr 25 03:47:51 <dyoung> Coooll....
Apr 25 03:48:12 <dyoung> Are you serving any media yet?
Apr 25 03:48:29 <rwhitby> got a shoutcast radio to stream
Apr 25 03:48:40 <rwhitby> no local media yet - have to upload some to the disk
Apr 25 03:48:45 <dyoung> like can I go to www.rwhitby-secret-lair.com.au to get some Pingu?
Apr 25 03:48:51 <dyoung> bummers.
Apr 25 03:49:08 <rwhitby> dyoung: I only have Pingu eps in Topfield .rec format ....
Apr 25 03:49:21 <dyoung> One of the video programs on the ANA flight was Pingu.
Apr 25 03:49:32 <rwhitby> new or old series?
Apr 25 03:49:41 <dyoung> I really dont know.
Apr 25 03:49:48 <dyoung> It looked old.
Apr 25 03:49:49 <rwhitby> 4:3 or widescreen?
Apr 25 03:49:54 <dyoung> it was 4:3
Apr 25 03:50:06 <rwhitby> old is 4:3, new is widescreen
Apr 25 03:50:12 <dyoung> Ooohh....
Apr 25 03:50:16 <dyoung> I wish i could get that here....
Apr 25 03:50:21 <rwhitby> intro and credits are different too ...
Apr 25 03:50:49 <rwhitby> I think I have most of the 50+ old series, and a lot of the new series too
Apr 25 03:50:56 <dyoung> Does someone have plans to write a transcode-a-ma-jiggy to convert .rec to (something else) ?
Apr 25 03:51:09 <rwhitby> peteru knows how
Apr 25 03:51:39 <dyoung> hmm
Apr 25 03:51:42 <rwhitby> I'll make you a deal.  I'll send them to you if you transcode to something that the Neuston will play and then send that back :-)
Apr 25 03:51:49 <dyoung> Hahahaha
Apr 25 03:51:58 <dyoung> how much are we talking about in gigabytes?
Apr 25 03:52:17 <rwhitby> tens I think
Apr 25 03:52:24 <dyoung> Ow.
Apr 25 03:54:23 <dyoung> I'll bug you about it later.  It shouldnt be that bad...
Apr 25 03:55:56 <rwhitby> should be much less after transcoding
Apr 25 04:40:39 <peteru-home> rwhitby: I posted a patch to libdvb on the Topfield forums.
Apr 25 04:41:32 <peteru-home> rwhitby: Gives you a filter that will transcode to something that the neuston should play :)
Apr 25 04:42:02 <dyoung> Cool...
Apr 25 04:42:18 <dyoung> Pingu....
Apr 25 04:42:23 <peteru-home> has anyone figured out a way of fixing OE so that it works properly with CVS in timezones that are GMT+xx ?
Apr 25 04:42:51 <rwhitby> peteru-home: URL?
Apr 25 04:43:18 <peteru-home> seems that CVSDATE is set to strftime (localtime), but CVS always uses UTC
Apr 25 04:43:42 <peteru-home> so, in my case, I won't pick up CVS commits for 10 hours :(
Apr 25 04:50:56 <rwhitby> peteru-home: which topic is the libdvb in?
Apr 25 04:51:33 <rwhitby> (now that I have something to play converted files, I might look into converting the Pingu eps)
Apr 25 04:51:57 <peteru-home> let me find the url for it...
Apr 25 04:53:23 <peteru-home> http://www.topfield-australia.com.au/frm/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1725
Apr 25 04:55:23 <rwhitby> peteru-home: do you think that the slug could do transcoding?
Apr 25 04:56:10 <NAiL> ugh... slug transcoding? Won't that be horribly slow? :)
Apr 25 04:56:14 <rwhitby> i.e. should I make an unslung package for topf2ps ?
Apr 25 04:56:41 <rwhitby> NAiL: perhaps I meant remuxing, rather than transcoding
Apr 25 04:56:59 * rwhitby defers to peteru for all this MPEG stuff ...
Apr 25 04:57:01 <NAiL> rwhitby: Ah, ok. That'd make more sense
Apr 25 05:05:37 <peteru-home> slug may be able to cope with a remux at near toppy speeds. 20Mbit/s is not that much
Apr 25 05:05:55 <rwhitby> peteru-home: is a remux all the topf2ps does?
Apr 25 05:06:02 <peteru-home> yes
Apr 25 05:06:13 <rwhitby> sweet :-)
Apr 25 05:06:24 <rwhitby> so I can do all this on the slug then.
Apr 25 05:06:41 <peteru-home> converts .rec encapsulated partial transport streams to a program stream.
Apr 25 05:06:57 <peteru-home> most software can cope with program streams
Apr 25 05:06:58 * rwhitby queues up a topf2ps unslung package for after completing the slingover script ...
Apr 25 05:08:34 <dyoung> woo!
Apr 25 05:08:37 <peteru-home> my wgt634u distro is taking shape, but I'm seeing some problems with kernel 2.6.12 on mips
Apr 25 05:10:18 <rwhitby> peteru-home: have you measured the usb throughput on the wgt634u yet?
Apr 25 05:11:21 <rwhitby> nslu2 is 7.8MB/s raw, 4.8MB/s served; wl500gx is 4.8MB/s raw, 1.6MB/s served.  What is wgt634u ?
Apr 25 05:13:08 <rwhitby> dyoung: slingover source disk1|disk2    - source is something like /share/hdd/conf   - look ok?
Apr 25 05:14:38 <rwhitby> or should we only support migration from unslung 3.x conf to unslung 4.x data ?
Apr 25 05:18:07 <peteru-home> rwhitby: How are you measuring the USB speed?
Apr 25 05:18:33 <rwhitby> hdparm -Tt /dev/sda for raw, wget for served
Apr 25 05:19:02 <rwhitby> the hdparm from the wl500g feed should work on the wgt634u, yes?
Apr 25 05:19:40 <rwhitby> the served figures were running thttpd on the wl500gx and nslu2 to try and get the fastest http speed for a single file download
Apr 25 05:21:58 <dyoung> maybe same deal as with unsling.  support the common choice, but have undocumented options forthe expert.
Apr 25 05:22:32 <peteru-home> rwhitby: I don't have enough stuff hooked up to test throughput and probably won't have a spare minute until second half of June.
Apr 25 05:22:35 <rwhitby> dyoung: difficult to support other than just conf to data on a single disk
Apr 25 05:22:44 <dyoung> true.
Apr 25 05:22:51 <peteru-home> I'm off to South America in a few days.
Apr 25 05:23:05 <rwhitby> dyoung: and the commands are very simple, so an expert can just look at the script.
Apr 25 05:23:14 <dyoung> maybe just for conf->data on arbitrary disk?
Apr 25 05:23:33 <rwhitby> slingover disk1|disk2
Apr 25 05:23:38 <dyoung> yeah like that.
Apr 25 05:23:54 <rwhitby> copies /opt and /usr from conf to data, and replicates perl and bash symlinks
Apr 25 05:24:08 <dyoung> Right.
Apr 25 05:24:21 <rwhitby> Written.
Apr 25 05:24:34 <dyoung> but is smart about it as n ot to clobber existing stuff.
Apr 25 05:24:43 <dyoung> or maybe thats caveat emptor.
Apr 25 05:25:00 <rwhitby> caveat emptor.  this is run directly after unsling, so the target is fair game
Apr 25 05:25:33 <rwhitby> oh, it copies /unslung too
Apr 25 05:25:43 <dyoung> I need to sell some bicycles.  I have too many now.
Apr 25 05:26:16 <dyoung> I was hoping one would break...
Apr 25 05:48:04 <rwhitby> dyoung: slingover is pushed
Apr 25 05:48:06 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby 07 * r1.3264.1.1 10openembedded/packages/nslu2-binary-only/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Unslung 4.16-alpha: Added slingover script.
Apr 25 05:48:37 <rwhitby> As Linus Torvalds said last week on the Git mailing list: "Testing is for users."
Apr 25 05:49:50 <rwhitby> The full quote was: "Or something. I didn't test the above. Testing is for users."
Apr 25 05:50:17 <peteru-home> As long as the users don't become bricklayers :-)
Apr 25 05:50:35 <rwhitby> peteru-home: Now onto topfs2ps.  Should I call the package topf2ps or libdvd?
Apr 25 05:51:01 <peteru-home> It's along string you are pulling at...
Apr 25 05:51:17 <dyoung> thats a good quote.
Apr 25 05:51:18 <rwhitby> are there a lot of dependencies?
Apr 25 05:51:31 <peteru-home> topf2ps is just one of many ways of calling the same libdvb executable
Apr 25 05:51:50 <peteru-home> libdvb needs the DVB kernel headers.
Apr 25 05:52:11 <peteru-home> and I don't think there's current support for 2.4
Apr 25 05:52:38 <peteru-home> I think the 2.4 branch is still in the CVS, so it may work out.
Apr 25 05:52:47 <dyoung> peteru-home, since youre  here now, and I may not see you for a while, have a good trip.  Some of the folks I was in China with these past weeks have had a lot of good things to say about the area(s) you will be visiting.
Apr 25 05:52:55 <peteru-home> but it is unlikely to be as trivial as configure/make
Apr 25 05:53:21 <peteru-home> excellent! thanks for the wishes.
Apr 25 05:53:55 <dyoung> there was a lot of talk about Cocoa tea for altitude sickness.
Apr 25 05:54:02 <dyoung> heh
Apr 25 05:54:05 <peteru-home> BTW: where in China did you go?
Apr 25 05:54:28 <dyoung> I was in the central of china, henan and Shanxi provinces.
Apr 25 05:54:43 <dyoung> Plus Bejing and Shanghai as starting and ending points
Apr 25 05:55:41 <peteru-home> Cool. I did Beijing to HK last year.
Apr 25 05:55:52 <peteru-home> Did you visit Xi'an ?
Apr 25 05:56:09 <rwhitby> peteru-home: so I need the Linux DVB driver package on that page too?
Apr 25 05:57:10 <peteru-home> rwhitby: The way it used to work, is that libdvb just needed a bunch of headers. these headers were in 2.6 kernel, so I did not need to stuff about.
Apr 25 05:57:34 <peteru-home> however, I believe that for a 2.4 target, you will need the DVB driver headers.
Apr 25 05:58:08 <rwhitby> there is a DVB/include/linux/dvb in the driver package on that page ....
Apr 25 05:58:28 <peteru-home> You may want to go to www.linuxtv.org for the current DVB versions, rather than Metzler Bros.
Apr 25 05:58:41 <rwhitby> will it matter for libdvd ?
Apr 25 05:58:49 <rwhitby> (topfs2ps only)
Apr 25 05:58:52 <peteru-home> probably not
Apr 25 05:59:34 <rwhitby> how come the replex program on that page is not the starting point for topf2ps ?
Apr 25 06:00:37 <dyoung> Didnt get to xian this time.
Apr 25 06:01:09 <dyoung> but I did get the full history of those 8000 terra cotta soldiers.
Apr 25 06:03:00 <dyoung-zzzz> rwhitby, I'll have a look at slingover in the morning.
Apr 25 06:03:17 <peteru-home> dyoung-zzzz: We were very lucky in Xian. We were the first people to get there in the morning (straight off the overnight train) and there were only 11 of us in the hall for the first 20 minutes. A few hours later, there were thousands of people and queues everywhere, just as we were leaving. :)
Apr 25 06:03:43 <peteru-home> rwhitby: replex was an earlier prototype, I think.
Apr 25 06:04:18 <rwhitby> ah, ok
Apr 25 06:04:28 <peteru-home> cool! check this out: http://www.scara.com/~schirmer/o/mplex13818/
Apr 25 06:04:33 <dyoung-zzzz> Someday I'll make it down that way.
Apr 25 06:05:07 <dyoung-zzzz> I need to learn more mandarin first.
Apr 25 06:05:12 <peteru-home> takes TS as input, can generate PS as output and is designed for streaming :)
Apr 25 06:22:45 <rwhitby> dyoung-zzzz: most pingu .rec files are 270MB
Apr 25 06:46:12 <rwhitby> ok, that's the last time I respond to a FAQ on the mailing list, and jamy1975 is off my Christmas card list ....
Apr 25 06:47:20 <Tiersten> I guess he didn't want to back down and admit he didn't read the FAQ...
Apr 25 06:49:26 <[g2]> morning guys !
Apr 25 06:49:38 <rwhitby> morning [g2]
Apr 25 06:50:00 <Tiersten> Hey
Apr 25 06:50:19 <[g2]> Tiersten, I'm ready go really get rock'n on OpenJTAG soon
Apr 25 06:50:29 <[g2]> s/go/to/
Apr 25 06:50:54 <Tiersten> Cool.  The project has been a bit idle recently.  Need to get everybody motivated again!
Apr 25 06:51:10 <[g2]> actually there's some new blood in the groupl
Apr 25 06:51:25 <[g2]> guys that have done and released JTAG code
Apr 25 06:51:44 <Tiersten> oh?  I should read the logs more often :)
Apr 25 06:52:04 <[g2]> not yet, but soon maybe
Apr 25 06:54:22 <rwhitby> [g2]: any progress on OpenSlug beta?
Apr 25 06:54:54 <ruDelph> )
Apr 25 06:55:11 <[g2]> I have seen ZERO about the click-through from ka6sox or ByronT
Apr 25 06:55:38 <[g2]> I did chid RR about it a little in a different ml yesterday
Apr 25 06:56:00 <rwhitby> any response?
Apr 25 06:56:07 <[g2]> not yet
Apr 25 06:57:08 <VoodooZ_Work> Anybody have a good USB 2.0 linux-supported web cam to recommend? Does it do YUV out?
Apr 25 07:13:52 * jacques would also like to know.
Apr 25 07:14:41 <Tiersten> Nope.  I'd be interested as well.  All the webcams I've got are either crap USB 1 devices or the iSight which is a Firewire device.
Apr 25 07:15:13 <rwhitby> jacques: loaded up Unsling 4.x yet?
Apr 25 07:19:20 <rwhitby> peteru-home: topf2ps just converted a Pingu episode in CoLinux :-)
Apr 25 07:22:44 <jacques> rwhitby, no :-\  sorry, been a bit distracted last several days
Apr 25 07:24:42 <rwhitby> Hmm: OpenShowCenter running on thttpd doesn't want to stream the video, or even photos.
Apr 25 07:24:56 <rwhitby> Will have to put Apache+PHP back on and try that again.
Apr 25 07:30:28 <VoodooZ_Work> THe logitech 4000 seems to be supported with the PWC driver but I'm unsure if it supports my required YUV mode.
Apr 25 07:32:29 <peteru-home> does the neuston play back the pingu episode?
Apr 25 07:33:12 <rwhitby> dunno yet.  I haven't got any media to play yet - still futzing with the media server
Apr 25 07:34:11 <rwhitby> the php web pages are working fine.  I'm not sure that thttpd is working for serving the media files.  I'm installing php-apache again to try that.
Apr 25 07:38:21 <rwhitby> peteru-home: yep, when served from apache it plays :-)
Apr 25 07:39:44 <rwhitby> so I now have a fully-linux path from Topfield record to Neuston MC-500 playback :-)
Apr 25 07:41:54 <rwhitby> getting some skipping when the slug is downloading and installing ncurses at the same time as playback :-)
Apr 25 07:42:05 <jacques> heh
Apr 25 07:42:20 <jacques> damn slow POS :-D
Apr 25 07:44:50 <rwhitby> normal usage for the httpd process is 5% of CPU when streaming
Apr 25 07:45:07 <rwhitby> and 20% of memory
Apr 25 07:45:35 <rwhitby> and zero noise :-)
Apr 25 07:46:28 <jacques> :-D
Apr 25 07:47:58 <Tiersten> WHAT?  I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE NOISE OF MY NSLU2... ;)
Apr 25 07:50:37 <rwhitby> well, my work here is done.
Apr 25 07:50:40 <rwhitby> night all
Apr 25 07:50:47 <Tiersten> Night
Apr 25 07:55:37 <jacques> don't you mean my work "hear" ?  :-P
Apr 25 07:58:08 <peteru-home> he can't hear you now ;)
Apr 25 07:59:30 <jacques> :-)
Apr 25 09:21:46 <MooZ> bye
Apr 25 12:16:12 <CIA-8> 03edmondsc * 10unslung/sources/webalizer/postinst: added webalizer sources
Apr 25 12:20:42 <CIA-8> 03edmondsc * 10unslung/Makefile: added webalizer to makefile
Apr 25 13:37:41 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby-asleep: modified php.mk compiles fine, thttpd also and php-thttpd works and load all modules :)
Apr 25 13:38:00 <jeanfabrice> will checkin updates
Apr 25 13:54:09 <CIA-8> 03febertra * 10unslung/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
Apr 25 13:54:09 <CIA-8> Changed byRequest package name to byrequest (lowercase), which
Apr 25 13:54:09 <CIA-8> apparently is more friendly to ipk. Destination files and directories,
Apr 25 13:54:09 <CIA-8> however, preserve the original case.
Apr 25 14:03:36 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Make php compile without thread-safe option for wl500g. Do not patch php-thttpd's configure anymore but config.m4 instead to let autoreconf works properly during php build.
Apr 25 14:24:44 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/php-thttpd.mk: Remove patching of php.ini since the one provided by php package seems ok
Apr 25 14:53:37 <rwhitby-asleep> copperbeech: did you get CoLinux networking working?
Apr 25 14:53:49 <rwhitby> jeanfabrice: nice job.  Have you pushed it to the feed?
Apr 25 14:54:51 <copperbeech> rwhitby: no - I just got a brand new laptop so have been spending my days transfering the 'essentials' across - well what work thinks is essential anyway.
Apr 25 14:55:08 <jeanfabrice> I'm on the way. Nudi's burning red compiling
Apr 25 14:55:14 <rwhitby> copperbeech: I too reimaged my laptop over the weekend, and have just updated to CoLinux 0.6.2
Apr 25 14:55:30 <copperbeech> I also just found out that appweb 2.0.0 has just been released and the uild system has been updated.
Apr 25 14:55:40 <copperbeech> oooh - sounds nice!
Apr 25 14:55:50 <rwhitby> copperbeech: I now use bridged for Loopback, and wired, and use tap with XP bridging for the wireless connection.
Apr 25 14:55:52 <copperbeech> are you still on the debian image?
Apr 25 14:56:06 <rwhitby> yep, on the latest debian for 0.6.2 now from the sf.net download page
Apr 25 14:56:21 <rwhitby> and I updated the nslu2-linux requiredsoftware page based off that image
Apr 25 14:56:22 <copperbeech> is the loopback so that you can use it without being attached to a network?
Apr 25 14:56:26 <rwhitby> yes
Apr 25 14:56:32 <rwhitby> very handy for a laptop
Apr 25 14:56:45 <copperbeech> yeah - it had been a residual question in my mind.
Apr 25 14:57:15 <rwhitby> I use the loopback for ssh to the colinux session, then it can remain active while I switch from wired to wireless and back again each day
Apr 25 14:57:41 <rwhitby> ok, gotta go.  cobberbeach, I will be around as rwhitby-web in about half an hour if you want some help with it
Apr 25 14:58:01 <dyoung-zzzz> Ah, so THATS the trick.
Apr 25 14:58:05 <copperbeech> so when you are using the loopback device - how do you connect to a network?
Apr 25 14:58:40 <rwhitby-away> eth0 is loopback, eth1 is wireless (static, cause I only use it at home) and eth2 is wired (dhcp from work network)
Apr 25 14:59:02 <jeanfabrice> same here
Apr 25 14:59:09 <rwhitby-away> back later
Apr 25 14:59:18 <copperbeech> ok - ttfn :-)
Apr 25 14:59:20 <dyoung-zzzz> I should do that network configuration.
Apr 25 14:59:28 <dyoung-zzzz> mine is a mess now.
Apr 25 14:59:42 <jeanfabrice> exactly same here instead eth1 is wireless bridged
Apr 25 14:59:48 <copperbeech> my XP setup just lost it - I can't even bridge a device now...
Apr 25 15:00:22 <dyoung-zzzz> so do you guys run colinux as a service?
Apr 25 15:00:33 <jeanfabrice> dyoung-zzzz: yes
Apr 25 15:00:42 <dyoung-zzzz> Works well?
Apr 25 15:00:48 <dyoung-zzzz> I didnt get quite that far.
Apr 25 15:01:10 <jeanfabrice> fine, but 'reboot' or 'init 6' does not restart the service ;)
Apr 25 15:01:11 <dyoung-zzzz> stragenly, coliunux is th eonly place that I can use the GEDA tools.
Apr 25 15:34:59 <jeanfabrice> 'night
Apr 25 16:49:59 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: getmail ready for cross testing
Apr 25 17:12:08 <novacane> I am trying to use a USB hub and I get the following message:
Apr 25 17:12:10 <novacane> <46>Apr 25 20:24:39 klogd: hub.c: new USB device 00:01.2-2.4, assigned address 4
Apr 25 17:12:16 <novacane> <44>Apr 25 20:24:39 klogd: usb.c: not enough configurations
Apr 25 17:12:24 <novacane> <43>Apr 25 20:24:39 klogd: usb.c: unable to get device 4 configuration (error=-22)
Apr 25 17:13:05 <novacane> anybody have any ideas what this is, and how or if it can be fixed?
Apr 25 17:20:46 <jacques> wow I've never seen that before
Apr 25 17:23:50 <novacane> guess I should have mentioned this is on unslung 4.14
Apr 25 19:22:12 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, ping
Apr 25 19:47:35 <[g2]> dyoung-web, ping
Apr 25 19:47:46 <dyoung-web> hi
Apr 25 19:47:51 <[g2]> hey mate
Apr 25 19:48:08 <dyoung-web> did you turn australian recently eh?
Apr 25 19:48:11 <[g2]> dyoung-web, did you ever play with your PAP2 ?
Apr 25 19:48:28 <dyoung-web> define "Play with"
Apr 25 19:48:28 <jacques> it's talk like an australian day
Apr 25 19:48:44 <[g2]> add sw ?
Apr 25 19:48:45 <dyoung-web> ~emulate rwhitby
Apr 25 19:48:46 <jbot> Another Satisfied Customer!
Apr 25 19:49:01 <dyoung-web> No, I didnt identify JTAG on the device.
Apr 25 19:49:12 <[g2]> it has no JTAG
Apr 25 19:49:13 <dyoung-web> I would like to untie it from Vonage to play with though.
Apr 25 19:49:30 <[g2]> I think it load via the network 
Apr 25 19:49:46 <dyoung-web> Oh?  I never got that fa.
Apr 25 19:50:11 <dyoung-web> is that in a external prom?
Apr 25 19:50:17 <dyoung-web> do you have one btw?
Apr 25 19:50:49 <[g2]> well there was something in the Vonage docs about don't power-down for a while after the first power-on or it may be in an "un-usable" state :)
Apr 25 19:52:03 <[g2]> it's a pretty thing that it's QPFP so no BGA pins to go searching for
Apr 25 20:02:11 <dyoung-web> So a quick googling tells me the PAP2 is pretty much locked to Vonage, but the PAP2-NA is provider agnostic.
Apr 25 20:03:19 <[g2]> dyoung-web, I'm wondering how hackable the device is and how much performance it may have
Apr 25 20:03:49 <dyoung-web> me too, I'm tempted to hook it up and snoop the line a bit.
Apr 25 20:04:05 <[g2]> the ethernet ?
Apr 25 20:04:57 <dyoung-web> yeah, ethernet line
Apr 25 20:05:11 <dyoung-web> and possibly intercept some requests.
Apr 25 20:05:15 <[g2]> well funny you should mention that
Apr 25 20:05:33 <[g2]> are you familiar with ebtables at all ?
Apr 25 20:06:25 <dyoung-web> no
Apr 25 20:06:31 <dyoung-web> heard of it; thats baout it
Apr 25 20:07:15 <[g2]> well it's actually supported by the slug
Apr 25 20:08:01 <[g2]> I've built it with OE and starting to test right now
Apr 25 20:08:13 <[g2]> I'll have two or three internet interfaces
Apr 25 20:08:45 <[g2]> and I'll transparently bridge-filter across 2 of them and maybe logs all the packets to disk
Apr 25 20:10:21 <dyoung-web> I see, so if I take my pegasus I can kind of make a snoop-a-ma-jiggy.
Apr 25 20:10:31 <[g2]> exactly
Apr 25 20:10:57 <[g2]> I'd imagine with some coding it can probably do line rate
Apr 25 20:11:02 <dyoung-web> Or I could use Ethereal and a hub.
Apr 25 20:11:14 <[g2]> that'll work too
Apr 25 20:11:29 <[g2]> do you have a 100 Mbit hub ?
Apr 25 20:11:36 <dyoung-web> yes.
Apr 25 20:11:41 <[g2]> (actually the PNP comes up 10Mb)
Apr 25 20:11:45 <[g2]> PAP2
Apr 25 20:12:16 <dyoung-web> Yeha, I was planning to just use the 10mb POS on the ground over there.
Apr 25 20:12:17 <[g2]> where did you get the 100Mb hub ?
Apr 25 20:12:29 <dyoung-web> Its a old allied telesyn.
Apr 25 20:12:49 <[g2]> yeah mine has the 50 ohm BNC on it too :)
Apr 25 20:13:00 <[g2]> damn we are old :)
Apr 25 20:13:22 <dyoung-web> but I also have a old netgear 100mb hub and a old ugly purple 100mb hub.
Apr 25 20:14:48 <[g2]> sweet
Apr 25 20:15:17 <[g2]> looks like the usb 2.0 to Ethernet came up on the on my USB 2.0
Apr 25 20:15:24 <[g2]> hub
Apr 25 20:17:04 <dyoung-web> back later
Apr 25 20:17:25 <[g2]> yep its up
Apr 25 20:17:57 * [g2] gets out 2nd usb 2.0-ethernet adapter to see if I can have 2 on the 4-port usb 2.0 hub :)
Apr 25 20:26:22 <[g2]> AHHHH... the "nobody cared" strikes a different way !
Apr 25 22:20:01 <dyoung-zzzz> "a differnt way" how?
Apr 25 23:13:25 <[g2]> dyoung-zzzz, two usb ethernet devices on a hub
Apr 25 23:13:39 <[g2]> the second fails to initialize
Apr 25 23:23:10 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): procmail cross compiles
Apr 25 23:27:45 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/procmail.mk: added procmail description
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