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Apr 27 00:05:04 <jf-work> moringn
Apr 27 00:05:14 <jf-work> hum... morning !
Apr 27 00:05:34 <jacques> :-)
Apr 27 00:06:24 <jp30> morning, jf-work
Apr 27 00:08:59 <ka6sox-web> ~slugtime
Apr 27 00:09:00 <jbot> i heard slugtime is 40 hour days 10 hours in 4 timezones with overlap
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Apr 27 00:17:56 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (7 files in 2 dirs): back to non-threadsafe php by default
Apr 27 00:29:25 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote php-thttpd
Apr 27 00:57:48 <jf-work> jp30: do you know why php-thttpd.mk and php-apache.mk link against libxml2 and do not make libxml2 staged ?
Apr 27 01:07:53 <jp30> jf-work, they shouldn't - will fix
Apr 27 01:09:10 <jf-work> I remember rwhitby-away make'em link against instead of using php extensions. Maybe there's an (obscur for me) reason
Apr 27 01:10:14 <jp30> sorry, i should have been more explicit. i mean they should link against libxml2, they shouldn't fail to stage it
Apr 27 01:10:43 <jp30> php's libxml2 support doesn't build as a DSO extension
Apr 27 01:10:51 <jf-work> hum.. ok
Apr 27 01:11:00 <jf-work> SDo I changed php-thttpd to stage libxml2
Apr 27 01:11:07 <jf-work> s/SDo/so
Apr 27 01:11:27 <jf-work> I'm now using your fix to php-thttpd for download target. have cleanup php-thttpd.mk (not using .downloaded flag anymore). Seems to build
Apr 27 01:13:16 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php-apache.mk: php-apache: stage libxml2
Apr 27 01:13:22 <jp30> good. i've just committed a fix to php-apache to stage libxml2
Apr 27 01:13:33 <jp30> ...now i must sleep. 'night!
Apr 27 01:14:08 <jf-work> 'night jp30
Apr 27 01:24:24 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/make/php-thttpd.mk: stage libxml2 and cleanup source download stuff
Apr 27 03:18:23 <dyoung-zzzz> wow lots happening.
Apr 27 03:20:10 <rwhitby> I'm keen to test the worker thread apache/php to see if it can do the openshowcenter media server without swapping ....
Apr 27 03:23:17 <rwhitby> Very nice howto from jeanfabrice at http://forum.chupa.nl/showpost.php?p=14309&postcount=4
Apr 27 03:32:12 <dyoung-zzzz> I have another mule going to France next week.
Apr 27 03:32:35 <dyoung-zzzz> But its going to be faster for me to just intl priority it I think...
Apr 27 03:33:06 <dyoung-zzzz> nice howto.
Apr 27 03:34:03 <jf-work> dyoung-zzzz: do it as easy and painless it is for you... I still have to buy the adapter
Apr 27 03:35:02 <dyoung-zzzz> I'll send it tommrow.  I dont want to put too much burden on my french friends.
Apr 27 03:35:14 <jf-work> ok
Apr 27 03:35:35 <dyoung-zzzz> I had forgotten they are all going for a wedding, so are carrying a LOT of stuff back.
Apr 27 03:37:55 <jf-work> :) Where does the wedding take place ?
Apr 27 03:38:15 * jf-work though maybe he can invited himself
Apr 27 03:38:17 <dyoung-zzzz> abut 200km south of you I believe.
Apr 27 03:38:48 <jf-work> x fr en pense
Apr 27 03:38:56 <dyoung-zzzz> if I read this map correctly at least.  Saint Clement de Reviere.
Apr 27 03:39:40 <dyoung-zzzz> (they gave me the invitation in french which I havnt quite translated yet....)
Apr 27 03:40:06 <dyoung-zzzz> I think thats north of Montpellier
Apr 27 03:40:06 <jf-work> humm. nice & sunny place
Apr 27 03:41:02 <dyoung-zzzz> Kai Steinbach is such a polite guy.
Apr 27 03:52:55 <rwhitby> yep
Apr 27 05:36:02 <dyoung-zzzz> ~seen voodooz
Apr 27 05:36:09 <jbot> voodooz <~Stephane6@CPE00c0f021712c-CM014110003785.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 97d 10h 17m 45s ago, saying: 'Anybody ever heard if any of those PCMCIA-to-USB cards work under linux? (I'm too broke to upgrade my portable :( )'.
Apr 27 05:36:19 <dyoung-zzzz> ~seen voodooz-work
Apr 27 05:36:21 <jbot> i haven't seen 'voodooz-work', dyoung-zzzz
Apr 27 05:36:33 <dyoung-zzzz> ~seen voodooz_work
Apr 27 05:36:35 <jbot> voodooz_work is currently on #openjtag #nslu2-linux
Apr 27 05:44:29 <VoodooZ_Work> hey!
Apr 27 05:44:57 <Tiersten> Morning
Apr 27 05:45:04 <VoodooZ_Work> morning guys
Apr 27 05:45:27 <VoodooZ_Work> hey dyoung.
Apr 27 05:45:31 <VoodooZ_Work> Did you get my email?
Apr 27 05:47:27 <macsat> hi guys
Apr 27 05:47:32 <dyoung-zzzz> VoodooZ_Work, Hi!
Apr 27 05:47:37 <dyoung-zzzz> I got your mail
Apr 27 05:47:42 <VoodooZ_Work> long time no see!
Apr 27 05:47:43 <dyoung-zzzz> Theres a funny story about that....
Apr 27 05:47:45 <VoodooZ_Work> cool.
Apr 27 05:47:48 <VoodooZ_Work> what?
Apr 27 05:47:57 <dyoung-zzzz> I dont actually *have* a PWC yet.
Apr 27 05:48:08 <VoodooZ_Work> really? That's funny alright!
Apr 27 05:48:25 <dyoung-zzzz> However, the person you'll want to talk to is odoc (on channel)
Apr 27 05:48:38 <VoodooZ_Work> I did a lot of research online but couldn't find any performance figures.
Apr 27 05:48:55 <dyoung-zzzz> He has one and tested it and provided the endian patch that made it actually work.
Apr 27 05:49:01 <VoodooZ_Work> odoc? Never seen him around.
Apr 27 05:49:06 <dyoung-zzzz> if you want long enough I'll buy one eventually.
Apr 27 05:49:06 <VoodooZ_Work> cool.
Apr 27 05:49:12 <dyoung-zzzz> s/want/wait
Apr 27 05:49:22 <dyoung-zzzz> and can give you the numbers then...
Apr 27 05:49:22 <VoodooZ_Work> Does he come here?
Apr 27 05:49:35 <dyoung-zzzz> Yeah, he pops in periodically.
Apr 27 05:49:52 <VoodooZ_Work> ok. I'll try to locate him.
Apr 27 05:50:22 <VoodooZ_Work> meanwhile I'm finding ways to optimize my computer vision code further.
Apr 27 05:50:41 <VoodooZ_Work> The bottleneck is still the USB bus as it takes ~160ms per frame using double-buffering.
Apr 27 05:50:54 <VoodooZ_Work> That's why I'm wondering if USB2.0 would help.
Apr 27 05:51:24 <dyoung-zzzz> I think odoc is usnig it to grab a image "every now and then"; but I think he listed as the "official" conatct for nslu2/pwc on the pwc page now.
Apr 27 05:51:39 <dyoung-zzzz> so he ought to be willing to run some tests for you.
Apr 27 05:52:20 <Tiersten> Wasn't there a big thing on the kernel list about the PWC driver recently?  It had a hook for a binary module which gave you access to the "higher" resolution images
Apr 27 05:52:37 <VoodooZ_Work> Tiersten: yep. A real drama.
Apr 27 05:52:39 <Tiersten> Turns out the camera and/or binary module just did loads of interpolation to give you a higher resolution but fuzzier image
Apr 27 05:52:49 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay not quite yet, buy http://www.saillard.org/linux/pwc/projects.php might help.
Apr 27 05:53:00 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, compression is required for higher frame rate and VGA
Apr 27 05:53:14 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, I looked it up.
Apr 27 05:53:36 <dyoung-zzzz> Right, the saillard driver doesnt have the binary hook.
Apr 27 05:53:43 <VoodooZ_Work> I hope the decompressor is not too cpu intensive though.
Apr 27 05:53:48 <Tiersten> I've got a EyeToy actually which is VGA
Apr 27 05:53:56 <VoodooZ_Work> really?
Apr 27 05:54:00 <Tiersten> That is apparently supported by one of the OVxxx drivers
Apr 27 05:54:01 <Tiersten> yeah
Apr 27 05:54:10 <Tiersten> No clue if it's okay with the endianess
Apr 27 05:54:12 <VoodooZ_Work> Yep. That's what I'm using too.
Apr 27 05:54:22 <VoodooZ_Work> Just add CONFIG_OV511 to your defconfig and voila!
Apr 27 05:54:25 <dyoung-zzzz> Tiersten, The endianness should be resolved.
Apr 27 05:54:28 <Tiersten> Ah.  At least they say it's VGA :)
Apr 27 05:54:40 <dyoung-zzzz> *should*.....
Apr 27 05:54:40 <VoodooZ_Work> Is it usb 2.0?
Apr 27 05:54:46 <Tiersten> No.  USB1
Apr 27 05:54:53 <VoodooZ_Work> Probably not without compression though.
Apr 27 05:55:46 <dyoung-zzzz> I can do futhur testing when I actually have one.  For now I need to defer to odoc's expertise.
Apr 27 05:56:06 <VoodooZ_Work> dyoung-zzzz, No problems, Thanks for the tip.
Apr 27 05:56:15 <Tiersten> http://www.planetanalog.com/printableArticle.jhtml?articleID=16600457
Apr 27 05:56:30 <Tiersten> Need to see if the driver supports VGA
Apr 27 05:56:36 <Tiersten> It might be using it in QVGA or something
Apr 27 05:57:25 <VoodooZ_Work> dyoung-zzzz: Do you know ODOC's real name? Where is he listed on the PWC page/wiki?
Apr 27 05:57:36 <rwhitby> peteru-home: just cross-compiled libdvb for unslung ...
Apr 27 05:57:56 <VoodooZ_Work> VGA would be very slow even with compression.
Apr 27 05:58:13 <VoodooZ_Work> I get around 5-6fps at 352x288.
Apr 27 05:58:16 <Tiersten> yeah
Apr 27 05:58:28 <VoodooZ_Work> And that's without computer vision code!
Apr 27 05:58:38 <dyoung-zzzz> Hes not listed yet; but he will be evetually.  He just asked recently if I wanted to be the nslu2/pwc contact, and told him he should feel free to take that on since he actually has one.
Apr 27 05:58:57 <VoodooZ_Work> So I need to cut down that transfering time to a minimum. say 10-15fps!
Apr 27 05:59:13 <VoodooZ_Work> ok.
Apr 27 05:59:23 <dyoung-zzzz> VoodooZ_Work, do you mind if I pass your email address to him?  
Apr 27 05:59:32 <VoodooZ_Work> not at all. please do so.
Apr 27 05:59:33 <dyoung-zzzz> rather forward your message to him.
Apr 27 05:59:35 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay done.
Apr 27 05:59:37 <VoodooZ_Work> yep
Apr 27 05:59:40 <VoodooZ_Work> thanks mate
Apr 27 05:59:56 <rwhitby> talk like an Australian day still!
Apr 27 06:00:04 <VoodooZ_Work> hehehe
Apr 27 06:00:34 <VoodooZ_Work> Or is it pirate day?
Apr 27 06:00:40 <VoodooZ_Work> matey!
Apr 27 06:00:56 <Tiersten> arrr...
Apr 27 06:02:05 <Tiersten> Hmm.  The EyeToy uses a OV519 which uses JPEG compression it seems
Apr 27 06:02:43 <dyoung-zzzz> Sent.
Apr 27 06:04:02 <dyoung-zzzz> For your refernece, hes in CST.
Apr 27 06:04:06 <dyoung-zzzz> CET I mean
Apr 27 06:04:44 <dyoung-zzzz> So he may pop in in a few hours after work is finished.
Apr 27 06:11:48 <rwhitby> sweet - topf2ps runs on the slug.
Apr 27 06:12:27 <rwhitby> (converts a Topfield transport stream to mpeg2 program stream, which the Neuston MC-500 can display)
Apr 27 06:12:35 <Tiersten> Nice
Apr 27 06:13:02 <dyoung-zzzz> Woo
Apr 27 06:13:08 <rwhitby> so I can pull the .rec file, remultiplex, and serve to the Neuston, all on the slug.
Apr 27 06:13:19 <dyoung-zzzz> so if I mail you a bunch of blank DVD's................
Apr 27 06:13:28 <jf-work1> Had anyone ever give a look at sane
Apr 27 06:13:31 <Tiersten> How many streams can you pull from the toppy at one time?
Apr 27 06:13:35 * dyoung-zzzz dreams about pingu....
Apr 27 06:13:41 <Tiersten> pingu?
Apr 27 06:13:56 <dyoung-zzzz> Pingu is my hero.
Apr 27 06:14:01 <Tiersten> The penguin?
Apr 27 06:14:02 <rwhitby> Tiersten: Topfield can record two transport streams at a time.
Apr 27 06:14:21 <rwhitby> I'm not streaming - it's batch mode
Apr 27 06:14:32 <VoodooZ_Work> dyoung-zzzz: ok.
Apr 27 06:14:35 <Tiersten> rwhitby: How many clients can be downloading from the topfield?
Apr 27 06:15:28 <rwhitby> Tiersten: one - it's a usb device interface
Apr 27 06:15:33 <Tiersten> ah okay
Apr 27 06:16:02 <Tiersten> Was wondering if you could multiplex the requests and have several people downloading :)
Apr 27 06:16:31 <dyoung-zzzz> www.rwhitby-toppy.org/pingu
Apr 27 06:16:44 <Tiersten> heh
Apr 27 06:17:28 <rwhitby> dyoung-zzzz: how about you just send me a ssh key, and then you can do it yourself :-)
Apr 27 06:18:28 <dyoung-zzzz> You have adequate UL bandwidth?
Apr 27 06:18:44 <Tiersten> You not get Pingu on TV where you live?
Apr 27 06:18:58 <dyoung-zzzz> or are you gonna be iptabling me down to 5k or something? ;-)
Apr 27 06:19:04 <rwhitby> nope.  256K upload, with total 20Gb per month shaped to 64k
Apr 27 06:19:20 <dyoung-zzzz> Pingu is impossible to find/get here.
Apr 27 06:20:39 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (make/libdvb.mk sources/libdvb/topf2ps.patch): Added libdvb
Apr 27 06:21:33 <CIA-8> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: libdvb ready for testing cross.
Apr 27 06:21:47 <rwhitby> k
Apr 27 06:21:54 * Tiersten goes to check his TiVo guide...
Apr 27 06:22:03 <Tiersten> Pingu is on nearly every day
Apr 27 06:22:11 * dyoung-zzzz drools
Apr 27 06:22:17 <Tiersten> Been on for years actually
Apr 27 06:22:21 <Tiersten> heh
Apr 27 06:24:19 <dyoung-zzzz> AFAIK, pingu has never aired here.
Apr 27 06:24:43 <dyoung-zzzz> I only know about it because hes popular in asia, and a lot of character goods are found in the store.
Apr 27 06:24:47 <dyoung-zzzz> (s)
Apr 27 06:24:49 <Tiersten> Only 5 minutes an episode so they're not that large
Apr 27 06:24:51 <Tiersten> Night
Apr 27 06:24:59 <rwhitby> night
Apr 27 06:25:10 <rwhitby> dyoung-zzzz: each .rec file is about 260MB
Apr 27 06:26:00 <dyoung-zzzz> heh I was hoping to get the already transcoded files.
Apr 27 06:26:06 * dyoung-zzzz lazy
Apr 27 06:26:25 <rwhitby> I'm remuxing, not transcoding.  So the mpeg2 file is still 260MB.
Apr 27 06:26:35 <dyoung-zzzz> Ooh, okay gotcha.
Apr 27 06:26:47 <rwhitby> 15 MB/sec - high quality Pingu
Apr 27 06:27:04 <dyoung-zzzz> drat, so I guess we wont be using that key I just sent you. ;-)
Apr 27 06:27:35 <rwhitby> well, it's almost the end of the month
Apr 27 06:27:45 <rwhitby> let's see how much I've got left ....
Apr 27 06:28:02 <dyoung-zzzz> I like the seal dde.
Apr 27 06:28:05 <dyoung-zzzz> dude.
Apr 27 06:28:14 <rwhitby> Robby
Apr 27 06:28:23 <dyoung-zzzz> Hes so cute it makes nauseated.
Apr 27 06:28:40 <dyoung-zzzz> but so endearing.
Apr 27 06:29:29 <dyoung-zzzz> night all
Apr 27 06:35:33 <jf-work1> have anyone tried to port sane ?
Apr 27 06:35:44 <jf-work1> s/have/has
Apr 27 06:38:07 <dyoung-zzzz> I looked at it
Apr 27 06:38:29 <dyoung-zzzz> because it has some bits to grab stuff from usb camera too
Apr 27 06:38:36 <dyoung-zzzz> but it was more than I wanted to chew at the time
Apr 27 06:38:38 <jf-work> it compiles fine for me (not in the unslung because need some trick like openldap (build call for self generated binary).
Apr 27 06:39:09 <jf-work> but at launch time, it is crappy like mysql is on my wiley (!)
Apr 27 07:46:41 <peteru-home> Pingu was very popular in Japan. At one stage they had a promotion where if you bought 4 doughnuts and a large softdrink, they'd throw in a Pingu mini-disc player carry pouch :)
Apr 27 07:47:25 <peteru-home> When Pingu started being so popular, Sanrio decided to compete and started pushing "Daniel" - Hello Kitty's boyfriend.
Apr 27 07:49:23 <Tiersten> I thought Doraemon was better personally :)
Apr 27 07:49:56 <peteru-home> ffmpeg should let you transcode the MPEG-2 streams to MPEG4/DivX to make them more suitable for internet - not sure how well the slug is likely to cope with that task though.
Apr 27 07:50:14 <Tiersten> The NSLU2 isn't powerful enough for that
Apr 27 07:50:20 <Tiersten> By a long way
Apr 27 07:50:49 <Tiersten> Would be nice to be able to do that however
Apr 27 07:51:59 <peteru-home> I wasn't even contemplating streaming.
Apr 27 07:52:18 <Tiersten> yeah but even batch conversion would take ages
Apr 27 07:52:32 <Tiersten> Like a couple of days sort of thing
Apr 27 07:52:41 <peteru-home> Our DVB-T is about 6Mbit/s which comes to 2GB per hour of TV.
Apr 27 07:52:53 <peteru-home> that's pretty slow to transfer
Apr 27 07:54:00 <Tiersten> All of the portable MPEG2/4 devices which have an input do it using a hardware encoder chip
Apr 27 07:56:30 <peteru-home> that involves an analogue stage, although in theory it should be possible to decode MPEG2 to YUV frames and then get the MPEG4 encoder to encode the raw frames.
Apr 27 07:56:52 <Tiersten> yeah but the hard part isn't the analog -> digital part.  it's the compression stage
Apr 27 07:57:12 <Tiersten> a few years back, people ripping DVDs and compressing it to DiVX would have to leave it running for hours and hours
Apr 27 07:57:31 <Tiersten> P3 era
Apr 27 07:57:46 <Tiersten> That was MPEG2 -> MPEG4 but at a higher bitrate on average
Apr 27 07:59:31 <peteru-home> in my last job, we had a solution that used a hardware encoder to transcode between various digital formats at faster than real-time. We could do IMX to DV50 at 3x, all it needed was a Linux box with a PCI slot.
Apr 27 07:59:40 <peteru-home> then again, this was aimed at broadcasters
Apr 27 08:00:16 <Tiersten> Yeah
Apr 27 08:00:40 <Tiersten> You'd lose the USB 2 however if you wanted to add a encoder to the NSLU2
Apr 27 08:01:47 <peteru-home> there are just some tasks that the slug shouldn't try to do - leave it to hardware designed for the task.
Apr 27 08:02:58 <Tiersten> Yeah
Apr 27 08:03:27 <macsat> is anyone running mailserver (pop, imap, smtp) on the NSLU2 ?
Apr 27 08:03:47 * peteru-home is off to wrestle with 2.6 USB and then some Zzzz. Good night all.
Apr 27 08:27:55 <CIA-8> 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (make/cyrus-imapd.mk sources/cyrus-imapd/cyrus.cross.patch): 
Apr 27 08:27:55 <CIA-8> Now ipk can be created when doing cross compile.
Apr 27 08:27:55 <CIA-8> But perl-stuff is still missing when compiling cross.
Apr 27 12:02:42 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: demote libdvb
Apr 27 13:23:28 <jeanfabrice> out of channel subject but is there a way to be pushed with the mailing list without creating a yahoo account ?
Apr 27 13:32:57 <ka6sox-office> I have a yahoo account but the list goes to my email account (not the yahoo one)
Apr 27 13:34:17 <NAiL> Send a mail to nslu2-general-subscribe@yahoogroups.com I guess
Apr 27 13:44:58 <jeanfabrice> ty. I'll try it
Apr 27 13:47:53 <NAiL> np, gl
Apr 27 14:01:49 <jp30-work> jeanfabrice, what's the status of thttpdphp.mk? is there a reason to keep it in the package system, or is it obsoleted by php-thttpd?
Apr 27 14:08:33 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: thttpdphp is now obslolete. It can be destroyed. 
Apr 27 14:09:09 <jeanfabrice> It doesn't build using the wl500g branch. Don't know about the slug branch
Apr 27 14:09:09 <jp30-work> ok, i'll destroy it then :)
Apr 27 14:09:16 <jeanfabrice> ok
Apr 27 14:11:14 <jeanfabrice> I was wondering how both branch maintainer/developper could be inform of package created by the other branch. As I update only my part of the makefile and so you may do, I will probably not see package you create
Apr 27 14:14:32 <jp30-work> i tend not to pay much attention to which packages get created - i wait until they show up in READY_FOR_TESTING. i suppose the trouble is, how do we trigger (e.g.) wl500g testing of a package submitted for slug
Apr 27 14:14:42 <jp30-work> (or vice versa)
Apr 27 14:14:52 <jp30-work> ...is that what you were thinking about?
Apr 27 14:15:16 <jeanfabrice> could you put your package in the READY_FOR_TESTING wl500g section ?
Apr 27 14:15:34 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (11 files in 3 dirs): remove obsolete thttpdphp package
Apr 27 14:15:43 <jp30-work> would you want me to if i didn't know whether it would work on wl500g?
Apr 27 14:15:53 <jeanfabrice> yep
Apr 27 14:17:27 <jeanfabrice> That's give me a visibility on package you create and so I can test if they build fine. I ask for package contributors on wl500g forum but did not get a lot of answer right now. So you may create more package than I do.
Apr 27 14:17:35 <jp30-work> the trouble is, i don't take responsibility for runtime QA testing on slug - are you sure you want to take responsibility to test every package at runtime on wl500g?
Apr 27 14:19:17 <jp30-work> ...i mean, i'm expecting that package developers won't submit something until they have tested that it works at runtime on the slug
Apr 27 14:19:33 <jp30-work> ...but they can't be expected to test on both slug and wl500g
Apr 27 14:20:17 <jp30-work> ...of course, if you like, I could pop each package i promote on slug into WL500G_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING as i promote them
Apr 27 14:25:47 <jeanfabrice> that is what I would have said. Package you promote are package which built correctly on nudi for slug. If I see them in WL500G_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING, I can take a few minutes trying to build them on my machine just to see if they build.
Apr 27 14:26:56 <jeanfabrice> I don't think I will take responsability fo runtime QA testing on wiley too... but hope that users installing packages will give feedback
Apr 27 14:32:49 <jp30-work> ok, i'll do that then.
Apr 27 14:34:11 <jeanfabrice> As an example, I see your message on the mailing list today and saw that you've promoted esmtp and libesmtp. That could be interesant package for wl500 package user
Apr 27 14:35:27 <jp30-work> a further ramble on QA - the only thing i would be worried about if i were you is that there will in some cases be nobody reponsible for ensuring that any given package actually works at runtime on the wiley.
Apr 27 14:35:55 <ka6sox-office> omg...it stuck.
Apr 27 14:36:40 <jp30-work> :)
Apr 27 14:37:01 <jp30-work> ka6sox, what is the story with libao? is someone actually working on fixing it?
Apr 27 14:37:19 <ka6sox-office> not to my knowledge.
Apr 27 14:37:21 <jeanfabrice> agreed jp30-work
Apr 27 14:37:26 <ka6sox-office> it needs to be "fixed"
Apr 27 14:38:36 <jp30-work> is it slugbugged?
Apr 27 14:39:51 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: the problem I have is that actually, you create 10 times more package than me for asus community. I was thinking a way to grow fast the ipkg available for the wiley
Apr 27 14:41:10 <ka6sox-office> um....I'll kick the poor sod who forgot to Slugbug it...
Apr 27 14:41:44 <jp30-work> jf, in that case, perhaps the benefit of rapidly creating packages offsets the cost of unreliability
Apr 27 14:43:03 <jp30-work> maybe we could create a shared CROSS_PACKAGES line in the root Makefile; packages in there are known to work on both targets
Apr 27 14:43:07 <jeanfabrice> agree again :-/
Apr 27 14:43:08 <ka6sox-office> jeanfabrice, is there a mechanism to get bugs reported back?
Apr 27 14:43:44 <jeanfabrice> ka6sox-office: nothing well organised.
Apr 27 14:44:10 <jp30-work> ...then you could more easily scan a SLUG_ONLY_CROSS_PACKAGES for additions
Apr 27 14:47:28 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: and we would synchronized the shared CROSS_PACKAGES on irc ?
Apr 27 14:51:35 <jp30-work> my idea is: i would promote packages from WL500G_ONLY to CROSS, you could promote packages from SLUG_ONLY to CROSS
Apr 27 14:56:55 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: that sounds fine to test.
Apr 27 14:57:42 <jp30-work> jf, let's think about it; i would like feedback from rwhitby before making a change to the organisation of the root Makefile anyway
Apr 27 14:58:27 <jp30-work> meanwhile i'll pop any newly promoted slug packages in WL500G_READY_FOR_TESTING. how's that?
Apr 27 14:58:28 <jeanfabrice> yes, np
Apr 27 15:14:14 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: does esmtp shouldn't depend on libesmtp ?
Apr 27 15:19:01 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Promote esmtp and libesmtp to wiley
Apr 27 15:33:06 <eno-away> jeanfabrice: i think you're right, esmtp should depend on libesmtp
Apr 27 15:33:43 <jp30-work> eno, jf, yeah, it should
Apr 27 15:33:59 <jeanfabrice> want me to fix ?
Apr 27 15:35:09 <jp30-work> go ahead
Apr 27 15:35:15 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/esmtp.mk: added libesmtp to _DEPENDS; bumped _IPK_VERSION
Apr 27 15:35:34 <eno-away> sorry, just went across
Apr 27 15:35:49 <jeanfabrice> too fast..pfiouu.
Apr 27 15:38:28 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby-away ping
Apr 27 15:52:54 <rwhitby-away> jp30-work, jeanfabrice: just read about the shared cross variable.  great idea.
Apr 27 15:53:46 <rwhitby-away> BTW, you two guys own the build system, so whilst I appreciate you asking my opinion on things, don't let me hold up progress if you don't get a timely response - just go with what you two decide (after discussing it here in the open forum of course).
Apr 27 17:15:44 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby-web: ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org
Apr 27 18:51:23 <dyoung-web> morning
Apr 27 19:11:27 <[g2]> dyoung-web, big gang in #openjtag
Apr 27 20:17:37 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (make/py-moin.mk Makefile sources/py-moin/setup.py.patch): py-moin ready for testing (cross)
Apr 27 22:03:46 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/ (3 files in 3 dirs): mod-fastcgi ready for testing (cross)
Apr 27 22:29:42 <glc> rwhitby-away, dyoung-zzz : I think I figured out why we cannot umount /initrd in 4.x.
Apr 27 22:30:34 <glc> In 3.x /dev/was in ramfs, not /initrd.  In 4.x /dev/is in /initrd.
Apr 27 22:31:00 <glc> If we want to umount /initrd, we need to put /dev back in ramfs.
Apr 27 22:34:39 <ka6sox-away> glc, cool
Apr 27 22:42:27 <glc> ka6sox-away: I spent the whole evening flashing and re-flashing back and forth trying to figure it out.
Apr 27 22:43:03 <glc> It's after midnight, and my wife is telling me to hang it up.
Apr 27 22:43:11 <glc> Good night.
Apr 27 22:50:12 <ka6sox-away> nite Glc...sleep well 
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