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Apr 28 00:08:36 <jf-work> 'morning all
Apr 28 02:04:34 <dyoung-zzzz> Anyone know offhand if Oleg/Wiley has L7 filtering in it?
Apr 28 02:04:42 <dyoung-zzzz> jf-work, Slug is sent.
Apr 28 02:05:07 <dyoung-zzzz> Intl Priority bag, should take < 1week.
Apr 28 02:05:31 <jf-work> dyoung-zzzz: big thanks
Apr 28 02:11:56 <jf-work> dyoung-zzzz: what do you mean by "L7 in it" ?
Apr 28 02:13:39 <dyoung-zzzz> The Layer 7 filtering.
Apr 28 02:14:08 <dyoung-zzzz> protocol filtering; so it canlook at a packet and decide whether to treat it differntly accordingly.
Apr 28 02:14:57 <dyoung-zzzz> ie: all SIP (VoIP) packets are tc'd to highest priority, whilst all BitTorrent packets will be Super Low priority.
Apr 28 02:15:47 <jf-work> and iptable don't do that ?
Apr 28 02:16:49 <dyoung-zzzz> its related to ip tables; but I saw no mention of it in any of the wl500 docs
Apr 28 02:17:03 <dyoung-zzzz> or forums.
Apr 28 02:17:25 <dyoung-zzzz> it looks like Oleg is using straight WonderShaper which doesnt use L7 stuff.
Apr 28 02:17:56 <dyoung-zzzz> http://l7-filter.sourceforge.net/
Apr 28 02:19:43 <jf-work> and L3/L4 is not enough for tc'ing SIP vs Bittorrent 
Apr 28 02:20:03 <jf-work> ?
Apr 28 02:23:42 <dyoung-zzzz> I'm not sure.
Apr 28 02:24:03 <jf-work> ok understood. I'm the only one using my router. So I'm my own shapper.
Apr 28 02:24:05 <dyoung-zzzz> I'm not going to pretend to know much abouto tc.
Apr 28 02:24:26 <dyoung-zzzz> wshaper seems to be port based.
Apr 28 02:24:52 <dyoung-zzzz> which I suppose I could do too.  or address based which would work okay too since I know the ip and mac of the sip adapter.
Apr 28 02:25:24 <dyoung-zzzz> guess gotta RTFM. ;-)
Apr 28 02:40:14 <dyoung-zzzz> Hmm, this WL-HDD looks interesting.
Apr 28 02:40:35 <dyoung-zzzz> Does WileyWare work on it?
Apr 28 02:41:07 <jf-work> yeop
Apr 28 02:41:09 <jf-work> yep
Apr 28 02:41:26 <dyoung-zzzz> hehe.
Apr 28 02:41:37 <dyoung-zzzz> Thinking of some neafarious uses.
Apr 28 02:41:40 <jf-work> I'm running 1.9.2.7-4 on it right now
Apr 28 02:42:02 <dyoung-zzzz> Cool.
Apr 28 02:42:11 <jf-work> in Hybrid mode with my other wiley500
Apr 28 02:42:21 <dyoung-zzzz> What I had in mind is plugging it to a USB hub and plugging some USB Cameras into it.
Apr 28 02:42:35 <dyoung-zzzz> then putting the whole mess on my roof.
Apr 28 02:42:57 <dyoung-zzzz> connected to my LAN via the wireless.
Apr 28 02:43:22 <jf-work> I'm definitively not in the webcam mood...
Apr 28 02:44:01 <dyoung-zzzz> I just want to have something on the roof looking in specific directions to know if its a "Riding Day" or a "stay at work" day.
Apr 28 02:44:59 <dyoung-zzzz> how much memory is in that box/
Apr 28 02:45:49 <dyoung-zzzz> Hi Senneth.
Apr 28 02:46:00 <senneth> hi
Apr 28 03:17:32 <jf-work> dyoung: 32MB
Apr 28 03:18:15 <jf-work> humm not, 16 sorry slug as 32
Apr 28 03:21:00 <dyoung> Hmm, that should be enough.
Apr 28 03:21:53 <jf-work> it's pretty close to the wl500 without ethernet switch
Apr 28 03:22:14 <jf-work> but it's uclibc...
Apr 28 06:00:20 <rwhitby> g'day all
Apr 28 06:01:08 <dyoung> brain turning to mush
Apr 28 06:02:08 <dyoung> watching clips of "Ayaka no totsugeki eikaiwa".  "Ayakas Suprise English Lessons"
Apr 28 06:02:33 <dyoung> It frightens me to think of all these japanese kids learning hawaii slang as proper english!
Apr 28 06:05:15 <rwhitby> So should we update to R29 for Unslung 4.x ?  Put in the 4000->2000 reduction, but not the Genesys dumb patch (cause we have a better one).  Either keep the web stuff for telnet, and just enable telnetd from slingbox, or enable dropbear by default.
Apr 28 06:13:18 <dyoung> I dunno, are there differences in the binaries?  If not it kind of sounds like we got it covered already.
Apr 28 06:13:34 <dyoung> except for that polling rate,
Apr 28 06:14:00 <rwhitby> the binaries are all different, but we have no way of knowing whether it is a real difference, or just a recompile.
Apr 28 06:14:10 <rwhitby> people will want to know that they have the latest ....
Apr 28 06:17:54 <dyoung> Hmm, I dunno, I guess I'm kind of ambivilent.
Apr 28 06:18:41 <dyoung> Does the polling rate fix actually have a tangible effect on anything?
Apr 28 06:19:09 <rwhitby> dunno whether that is the large file transfer fix, or whether that fix is elsewhere in the binaries
Apr 28 07:45:14 <rwhitby> Hmm.  When I run OpenShowCenter through php-thttpd, the web interface shows on the Neuston MC-500, but the media files don't play.  When I run it through php-apache, everything is fine.
Apr 28 07:47:24 <rwhitby> night all
Apr 28 07:47:49 <rwhitby-asleep> (BTW, I have a christening this weekend with lots of family in town, so I won't be around here much ....)
Apr 28 09:53:29 <pTweety> morning
Apr 28 11:26:51 <pTweety>  I've prepared postfix to compile cross (based on the oe-package) but would like to have someone have a look at the postfix.mk. I'm not sure whether it's good style what I've done.
Apr 28 11:27:19 <pTweety> Should I check it into cvs or send by private mail?
Apr 28 11:27:58 <pTweety> Well, I could check it in and wait for comments, but then the changed go into the feeds without a review
Apr 28 11:28:20 <jp30-work> ptweey, check it and i can take a look
Apr 28 11:28:53 <pTweety> I'll do it, give me a minute
Apr 28 11:28:55 <jp30-work> by the way, am i right in thinking that you've got cyrus-imapd to cross-compile?
Apr 28 11:29:40 <pTweety> well, in parts
Apr 28 11:30:00 <pTweety> the perl stuff has to be seperatly build in native env.
Apr 28 11:30:07 <pTweety> but it compiles, yes
Apr 28 11:30:08 <jp30-work> does it cross-compile well enough for cyrus-imapd-stage to work?
Apr 28 11:30:22 <jp30-work> ...that way we can build php-imapd
Apr 28 11:30:26 <jp30-work> ...at last
Apr 28 11:30:50 <pTweety> hm, there is no staging prepared, yet
Apr 28 11:30:59 <pTweety> what do you need to be staged?
Apr 28 11:31:43 <pTweety> files from lib and include or more?
Apr 28 11:31:47 <jp30-work> well, i haven't tried yet, i was going to look at it and see.
Apr 28 11:32:16 <jp30-work> the usual stuff: includes and dsos, maybe a config script if there is one
Apr 28 11:33:19 <jp30-work> it would also be useful, once this is all work to have cyrus-imapd put its libraries in a seperate ipk so users of php-imapd wouldn't need to run an imapd server
Apr 28 11:33:36 <pTweety> you can have a look at the cyrus-imapd-devel.
Apr 28 11:34:16 <pTweety> Maybe this is what you want
Apr 28 11:34:18 <jp30-work> i'll get back to you when i've tried building php's imapd support and know what needs doing
Apr 28 11:34:33 <pTweety> ok, drop me a note
Apr 28 11:36:32 <CIA-8> 03ptweety * 10unslung/ (sources/postfix/postfix-install.patch make/postfix.mk): 
Apr 28 11:36:32 <CIA-8> postfix.mk now generates control files
Apr 28 11:36:32 <CIA-8> ready for cross compilation
Apr 28 11:36:32 <CIA-8> stages a nativly compiled postconf
Apr 28 11:37:28 <pTweety> jp30-work: I'll let the control files in source/postfix until you had a look at postfix.mk
Apr 28 11:37:55 <jp30-work> ok, i'll take a look now
Apr 28 11:38:01 <pTweety> thanks
Apr 28 11:38:24 <jp30-work> re cyrus-imapd, i don't like the look of this during configure:...
Apr 28 11:38:26 <jp30-work> checking for net-snmp-config... /usr/bin/net-snmp-config
Apr 28 11:38:26 <jp30-work> checking NET SNMP libraries... yes
Apr 28 11:39:57 <pTweety> hm, what do you mean?
Apr 28 11:41:10 <jp30-work> it's picking up the host net-snmp installation. you might try --without-snmp
Apr 28 11:41:25 <pTweety> ah. before I forget it: postfix-native needs some libs installed on the cross compile env. This is at least libdb4.x and libpcre
Apr 28 11:41:39 <pTweety> ok, will have a lok
Apr 28 11:41:41 <pTweety> look
Apr 28 11:45:41 <jp30-work> ptweety, no pcre on the official machine machine, unfortunately
Apr 28 11:45:55 <pTweety> argh
Apr 28 11:46:14 <pTweety> that means, I'll have to stage a native pcre as well
Apr 28 11:46:34 <jp30-work> no, i think it's a mistake to do that
Apr 28 11:46:42 <pTweety> pew
Apr 28 11:47:32 <jp30-work> there are lots of cases where packages need native tools of various kinds; the policy has been to install them or try to work around them rather than build them within the unslung build system
Apr 28 11:48:25 <jp30-work> if there's no way of working around this, we could ask ka6sox what he thinks about installing pcre on the official build system
Apr 28 11:49:17 <jp30-work> you're actually building a complete native postfix here?
Apr 28 11:49:46 <pTweety> yes, it's complete and running on my slug
Apr 28 11:49:53 <pTweety> äh, no
Apr 28 11:50:07 <pTweety> misunderstood the question
Apr 28 11:50:23 <pTweety> only parts are build native
Apr 28 11:50:36 <pTweety> parts that are needed for postconf
Apr 28 11:51:54 <jp30-work> i don't know much about postfix, or the details of why you need to do this, but i tend to feel that this is a bad path to go down
Apr 28 11:53:48 <jp30-work> is there not a way that you can store the output of postconf that you need in sources?
Apr 28 11:53:54 <pTweety> hm, a native postconf is used to setup the config-files for the postfix package.
Apr 28 11:53:58 <jp30-work> (sources/postfix i mean)
Apr 28 11:54:40 <jp30-work> so what's the barrier to putting the setup config files in sources/postfix?
Apr 28 11:55:44 <pTweety> I adopted the way oe does postfix cross compile
Apr 28 11:56:53 <jp30-work> OE builds lots of host ("native" in oe terminology) tools though, and has the infrastructure for doing so.
Apr 28 11:57:56 <jp30-work> ...i don't think we should start doing that without some policy about how to do it
Apr 28 11:58:09 <pTweety> ok, so I have to dig into the postfix install porcess and check out whether I can workarround some of the parts, the postfix-install script does
Apr 28 11:58:59 <pTweety> understood, should I checkin the previous version of postfix.mk?
Apr 28 12:00:50 <jp30-work> yes, that's probably a good idea
Apr 28 12:01:44 <pTweety> ok, maybe I can come back with a better way for cross compiling postfix ;-)
Apr 28 12:02:27 <jp30-work> this sort of problem has come up several times. it's afflicting php at the mo, which wants to run a php binary at make install time to install pear...
Apr 28 12:03:27 <jp30-work> what i might try for pear is to run the relevant php invocation at postinst time
Apr 28 12:03:51 <pTweety> I wish some mainstream apps were more cross compile friendly
Apr 28 12:04:12 <jp30-work> that might work for you too - install the config file sources, and run postconf in postinst to generate postfixes config files
Apr 28 12:04:21 <jp30-work> yes, i wish so too.
Apr 28 12:05:24 <pTweety> I will check this, thanks
Apr 28 12:10:04 <pTweety> ah, sh*t. How can I checkout -r 1.9 of postfix.mk?
Apr 28 12:11:02 <jp30-work> doesn't cvs update -r 1.9 make/postfix.mk work?
Apr 28 12:12:21 <pTweety> yes, that' it.
Apr 28 12:20:57 <CIA-8> 03ptweety * 10unslung/make/postfix.mk: go back to rev. 1.9 of postfix.mk
Apr 28 12:27:42 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Promote libxml2 for wiley
Apr 28 12:38:51 <pTweety> night
Apr 28 12:51:05 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/Makefile: Fix a typo in wiley TARGET_LIBDIR
Apr 28 15:05:25 <CIA-8> 03jeanfabrice * 10unslung/ (Makefile make/dokuwiki.mk sources/dokuwiki/postinst): Promoted DokuWiki
Apr 28 15:09:03 <jeanfabrice> 'nite
Apr 28 16:05:27 <dyoung> That actiontec DMP011000 media player had a price reduction at Amazon.  its $135 now.
Apr 28 16:06:27 <rwhitby-away> cool
Apr 28 16:07:04 <dyoung> I might need to buy one.
Apr 28 16:07:31 <rwhitby-away> I can only get it to work with php-apache at the moment, not php-thttpd.  So I'm gonna need that thread-safe worker stuff that jp30 has been working on
Apr 28 16:09:03 <rwhitby-away> [g2] should have made the poll public so he can see who's calling him a wimp :-)
Apr 28 16:09:23 <rwhitby-away> since the response are not public, I can't use that option as a stir :-)
Apr 28 16:12:00 <dyoung> Oh?
Apr 28 16:12:13 <dyoung> so the results cant be viewed usually?
Apr 28 16:12:47 <rwhitby-away> just the percentages, not what each individual voted.
Apr 28 16:12:49 <dyoung> Oh, you mean by user.
Apr 28 16:12:51 <dyoung> I see.
Apr 28 16:12:51 <dyoung> heh
Apr 28 16:13:01 <rwhitby-away> yeah, no stir value at all :-)
Apr 28 16:13:02 <dyoung> I didnt vote.
Apr 28 16:14:05 <dyoung> hehe I wonder who the two people are that voted [g2] a wimp.
Apr 28 16:14:13 <dyoung> Probably himself...
Apr 28 16:15:58 <rwhitby-away> I understand [g2]'s reasons, and fully support him making his decision.  I think OpenSlug should stay on as as build-it-yourself distro in parallel.
Apr 28 16:16:10 <rwhitby-away> oh, gotta go
Apr 28 16:17:31 <dyoung> Right.
Apr 28 16:17:34 <dyoung> Ok see you later!
Apr 28 16:17:53 <NAiL> poll?
Apr 28 16:18:02 <dyoung> For me it doesnt matter either way, because I can build it myself.
Apr 28 16:18:35 <dyoung> and of course will fully support whatever [g2] decides to do.
Apr 28 16:18:49 <dyoung> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/surveys?id=1150511
Apr 28 16:20:55 <jacques> these days one can't be too careful
Apr 28 16:23:27 <NAiL> Hmm.. I won't use it I guess... Not unless I ge the USB-hub *and* a usb enet adapter to fit inside the slug
Apr 28 16:23:36 <NAiL> But that should be possible ;)
Apr 28 16:35:29 <NAiL> hmm
Apr 28 16:35:29 <NAiL> damn
Apr 28 16:35:34 <NAiL> That's a good idea
Apr 28 16:35:35 <NAiL> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/surveys?id=1150511
Apr 28 16:35:38 <NAiL> whoops
Apr 28 16:36:08 <NAiL> I've got a bucketload of HD44780 compatible displays. I think I'll attach one to the slug ;)
Apr 28 16:36:29 <NAiL> (ok, a bucketload is an overstatement.. five, actually)
Apr 28 16:43:06 <NAiL> I think I need another slug
Apr 28 16:43:39 <NAiL> Anyone know if lcdproc runs on arm at all? 
Apr 28 16:49:35 <jacques> I haven't heard either way
Apr 28 16:49:55 <jacques> but it doesn't sound like a problem app
Apr 28 16:51:01 <NAiL> no, one shouldn't think so... It'd be fun though... I *think I can squeeze two displays in the slug, along with a small usb->parallell converter
Apr 28 16:53:11 <jacques> what's the usb-parallel converter for ?
Apr 28 16:53:56 <jacques> some type of display capability for the slug might be quite useful
Apr 28 16:54:18 <jacques> hmmm you know wht would be really fun
Apr 28 16:54:30 <jacques> try to attach the display to the onboard usb1.1 port
Apr 28 16:54:45 <NAiL> All the HD44780-displays are parallell
Apr 28 16:54:46 <NAiL> ...
Apr 28 16:54:57 <jacques> ugh
Apr 28 16:55:00 <NAiL> yeah
Apr 28 16:55:03 <jacques> I know they have usb ones now
Apr 28 16:55:19 <NAiL> Yeah, my displays are old :P
Apr 28 16:55:26 <NAiL> But they work nonetheless
Apr 28 16:55:52 <NAiL> I'm using one as a status-display on my self-built pvr-box
Apr 28 16:56:47 <NAiL> which basically leaves me with four... I wonder if the one with backlight might have different connectors.. I don't think it's HD44780.. Hmm...
Apr 28 16:56:47 <jacques> you using mythtv ?
Apr 28 16:56:50 <NAiL> yeah
Apr 28 16:57:08 <NAiL> gentoo, mythtv, pvr250, epia M10k
Apr 28 16:57:16 <jacques> I'm in the process of thinking about beginning to install myth on a spare box
Apr 28 16:57:46 <jacques> I also have a pvr250 - old model that gets really hot
Apr 28 16:57:55 <NAiL> hehe, mine does too
Apr 28 16:58:44 <jacques> what do you use for remote control ?
Apr 28 16:58:49 <NAiL> mythtv was a pain to set up earlier.. It's much easier now thjough ;)
Apr 28 16:58:58 <NAiL> I use the one that came with the card
Apr 28 16:59:02 <NAiL> Works like a charm
Apr 28 17:00:07 <NAiL> I've got a universal one that I'm planning to use later on, but I don't know if the reciever will like it... I think there's something "odd" with the ir reciever on the pvrX50-cards
Apr 28 17:00:23 <jacques> yes I believe I have heard that
Apr 28 17:01:20 <NAiL> At the moment the box is down anyways, I'm trying to get a cabinet that looks nice.. The VCR I used kinda.. fell apart :(
Apr 28 17:02:22 <NAiL> But the combo epia+pvr250+mythtv is brilliant. It's got enough horsepower to play anything I throw at it :)
Apr 28 17:03:42 <jacques> i have a couple of the older epias - 800Mhz
Apr 28 17:04:00 <NAiL> fanless?
Apr 28 17:04:10 <jacques> no, the ones with cpu fans
Apr 28 17:04:34 <NAiL> hmm... I had to rip off the included fan, it was *way* too noisy
Apr 28 17:05:38 <NAiL> I wonder if... the heatsink kinda looks like it's about the same size as a southbridge cooler... Probably some l33t cooling stuff I can buy :)
Apr 28 17:42:31 <dyoung-web> jacques, remember that the internal USB port is not a host.
Apr 28 17:44:11 <dyoung-web> however, there seem to be numerous i2c LCD displays around.
Apr 28 17:44:59 <dyoung-web> ka6sox ping
Apr 28 17:46:10 <dyoung-web> urmpf.  back later
Apr 28 17:46:15 <jacques> dyoung-web, d`oh I forgot that
Apr 28 17:47:50 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote mod_fastcgi, py-moin, dokuwiki
Apr 28 17:53:50 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/php-apache.mk: hopefully eliminate unnecessary php-apache rebuilds
Apr 28 17:57:23 <ka6sox-office> rats
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