**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 03 23:59:56 2005
May 04 00:47:44 <perlguru> morning
May 04 00:47:54 <perlguru> ipkg upgrade gives me errors:
May 04 00:48:10 <perlguru> update-modules and depmod couldnt be found
May 04 00:48:41 <perlguru> also mod_cgi.so is missing for apache (mod_cgid.so exists, typo?)
May 04 02:48:10 <perlguru> yes, revision 1.500 of the Makefile is upon us!
May 04 02:48:41 <perlguru> btw, CIA is missing in action
May 04 02:49:13 <perlguru> i added perl-cgi-application and perl-html-template to native-testing
May 04 02:49:22 <rwhitby> dyoung: should have pingu ssh access available soon
May 04 02:49:59 * perlguru ordered a WL-HDD
May 04 03:00:17 <jacques> i might need to get me a couple of those wl-hdd2.5's 
May 04 03:00:22 <jacques> they look cool
May 04 03:00:54 <jacques> only about $3 more than a slug too
May 04 03:02:23 <perlguru> that is without a hdd
May 04 03:02:32 <jacques> well so its a slug
May 04 03:02:36 <jacques> so is a slug
May 04 03:03:03 <perlguru> point
May 04 03:04:00 <jacques> you have a handy link with the hardware specs? like how much flash and RAM ?
May 04 03:04:11 <jacques> and what proc exactly
May 04 03:06:16 <jf-work> jacques: http://forum.chupa.nl/showthread.php?t=753
May 04 03:06:19 <jacques> lol I love this feature (from the ASUS site): "Real Time Clock: You'll never disorder time even after being unplugged."
May 04 03:06:28 <jacques> thanks jf-work 
May 04 03:07:33 <jacques> ok so broadcom cpu, 16MB RAM and 4MB flash
May 04 03:07:47 <jf-work> same as wl500
May 04 03:08:04 <jf-work> my optware run on it
May 04 03:08:53 <dyoung> woo!
May 04 03:08:57 <dyoung> ~celebrate
May 04 03:08:59 * jbot lights off 3 tons of fireworks 
May 04 03:09:01 * dyoung does the dance!
May 04 03:10:26 <jf-work> do we said 'optware packages' or just 'optware' ?
May 04 03:10:37 <dyoung> ~optware
May 04 03:10:49 <dyoung> jf-work, you should have that slug in-hand soon.
May 04 03:11:06 <dyoung> can you let me know when you get it?
May 04 03:11:26 <jf-work> dyoung: I look in my postal box 3 times a day for 2 day now.
May 04 03:11:47 <dyoung> I dont remember when I sent it, but they told me a week.
May 04 03:12:03 <dyoung> I think it was mid-last-week ?
May 04 03:12:09 <jf-work> dyoung: sure. I will have to look for a correct 220v->5v adapter. Can you give me the polarity of the plug ?
May 04 03:12:13 <dyoung> ay it was last wednesday.
May 04 03:12:20 <dyoung> Center Positive.
May 04 03:12:32 <jf-work> ok
May 04 03:12:40 <dyoung> I dunno the precise size t hough...
May 04 03:12:52 <jf-work> yep. can you mesure it ? ;)
May 04 03:13:06 <dyoung> uh...
May 04 03:13:07 <dyoung> sure.
May 04 03:13:14 * dyoung breaks out the inch to mm converter.
May 04 03:14:45 <jacques>  HDD PreScan: Scan the HDD to ensure the HDD functionality at the first place empowered.
May 04 03:19:23 <dyoung> best I can guess, its a 2.5mm "short" connector.
May 04 03:19:39 <dyoung> the OD is 5.4mm
May 04 03:20:32 <dyoung> "short" = 9.5mm
May 04 03:20:39 <dyoung> in length.
May 04 03:21:06 <dyoung> jacques, please you are using the english to proper descibing the function of the unit!
May 04 03:22:16 <jf-work> dyoung: ok, so 2,5mm center hole (positive) and 5,4mm exterior (negative), that's it ?
May 04 03:22:31 <jacques> dyoung lol
May 04 03:22:33 <dyoung> Yes; thats about it.
May 04 03:23:21 <dyoung> I wonder if someone has made a english -> engrish converter yet.
May 04 03:23:34 <dyoung> www.engrish.com
May 04 03:23:52 <jacques> I'd like to talk like that all the time
May 04 03:24:15 <dyoung> I took some pretty good pictures of "engrish" signs.
May 04 03:24:21 <dyoung> Complaining phone!
May 04 03:24:25 <dyoung> um...
May 04 03:24:43 <perlguru> ~wiley
May 04 03:24:45 <dyoung> "Please preserve the greenery by no stepping!"
May 04 03:25:29 <jacques> http://www.engrish.com/makingengrish.php
May 04 03:25:30 <dyoung> jbot, wiley is the petname for the Asus WL-500 family of products, including the WL-HDD
May 04 03:25:31 <jbot> okay, dyoung
May 04 03:25:35 <dyoung> ~wiley
May 04 03:25:37 <jbot> wiley is probably the petname for the Asus WL-500 family of products, including the WL-HDD
May 04 03:26:25 <dyoung> "Walk this way to the Pagoda" in chinese they translated as, "Step on Pagoda Here!"
May 04 03:27:03 <jacques> lol it works
May 04 03:27:22 <jacques> I asked it to translate "Hi there I am your friend" and it gave me "Today as for me it is your friend there."
May 04 03:27:30 <dyoung> hehe
May 04 03:27:54 <dyoung> jacques, youre going to be spending all night translating stuff to "engrish" now.
May 04 03:28:20 <jacques> well if I wasn't about to pass out from sleepiness I would :-)
May 04 03:28:30 <jacques> I'm glad I installed the japanese fonts now
May 04 03:28:34 <dyoung> I can speaking the engrish on the whim!
May 04 03:28:41 <jacques> ????????????????????
May 04 03:28:49 <jacques> that look like anything?
May 04 03:28:56 <dyoung> yeah, it looked like:
May 04 03:29:10 <dyoung> 	<jacques>	????????????????????
May 04 03:29:25 <rwhitby> perlguru: wl-hdd is very slow on disk - about half the slug
May 04 03:29:32 <jacques> ah well
May 04 03:29:44 <jacques> rwhitby, ouch!
May 04 03:29:53 <jacques> they claim to have ata100 ide interface
May 04 03:30:14 <dyoung> hehe.
May 04 03:30:21 <jacques> sounds more like ata4
May 04 03:31:54 <perlguru> speed is no issue. just want it as a webserver/mediaserver
May 04 03:32:39 <dyoung> Using the WL-HDD reveals only half the required speed of the fresh animal
May 04 03:34:24 <dyoung> okay maybe thats not quite right.  I need to work on the engrish translator.
May 04 03:35:15 <dyoung> I think a slug is a "namakuji"; but nama can mean fresh.  I'm still thinking of a better misinterpretation of "kuji"
May 04 03:36:38 <dyoung> oops, i even got that wrong, its a namekuji.
May 04 03:37:21 <dyoung> the licking ticket.
May 04 03:38:06 <dyoung> Okay, who started me on engrish.....
May 04 03:38:40 <jacques> i think it was me
May 04 03:38:50 <jacques> <jacques> lol I love this feature (from the ASUS site): "Real Time Clock: You'll never disorder time even after being unplugged."
May 04 03:39:13 <dyoung> oh yeah.
May 04 03:39:18 <dyoung> its all your fault. ;-)
May 04 03:42:58 <jacques> glad to be of service
May 04 04:44:31 <rwhitby> dyoung: tried the latest unslung yet?
May 04 04:46:23 <rwhitby> I'm just about to flash it now ... (4.17-alpha)
May 04 04:51:20 <rwhitby> booted fine.
May 04 04:51:44 <rwhitby> now to touch the flag file and see what happens
May 04 04:53:25 <rwhitby> hmm - endless loop
May 04 04:54:57 <rwhitby> right - glc mentioned that.
May 04 04:55:11 <rwhitby> need to not run linuxrc on the target rootfs
May 04 04:57:48 <dyoung> Nope, I'm still in the dark ages of 4.15
May 04 04:59:05 <rwhitby> and fixing the bug in the /linuxrc is as easy as rebooting without the disk, and editing /linuxrc in the jffs2
May 04 05:01:02 <rwhitby> and we're up
May 04 05:17:51 <rwhitby> uploading 4.18-alpha.bin now ..... (will take 15 minutes)
May 04 05:18:02 <rwhitby> CIA is still MIA.
May 04 05:25:43 <glc> Or deleting linuxrc on sda1.
May 04 05:26:33 <glc> Maybe not executing foreign linuxrc is safer though.
May 04 05:26:53 <rwhitby> yeah, I've deleted those lines.
May 04 05:27:22 <glc> Well, off to work for me.
May 04 05:27:33 <rwhitby> since any foreign rootfs is editable, then people can put a shell script in place of /bin/init and call /bin/init from inside it
May 04 05:27:54 <rwhitby> but most people willl never need to know about that
May 04 05:28:46 <glc> I did that when tryng to debug before booting into jffs2 was inplace.
May 04 05:30:16 <rwhitby> well glc, congratulations on simplifying the whole Unslung boot sequence!
May 04 05:31:55 <dyoung> did someone propogate the chage to openslug yet?
May 04 05:31:58 <dyoung> ~praise glc
May 04 05:32:04 <jbot> All hail glc!
May 04 05:37:23 <rwhitby> now, what should I do with the 1 block where switchbox used to be?
May 04 05:38:48 <dyoung> is the 2nd block recovered already?
May 04 05:39:14 <rwhitby> not yet, looking at that now.  Should be as easy as just giving slugimage a smaller ramdisk
May 04 05:39:19 <dyoung> "Rescue Payload" ?
May 04 05:40:45 <rwhitby> what does that consist of?
May 04 05:41:30 <dyoung> I'm not sure yet.
May 04 05:41:57 <dyoung> facility to cp/boot to ramdisk and reflash the jffs2?
May 04 05:42:06 <dyoung> in case you are "inslung" ?
May 04 05:42:38 <rwhitby> we have that already in maintenance mode
May 04 05:43:48 <dyoung> okay, so we are keeping that mode?
May 04 05:44:41 <dyoung> I dunno then, maybe we should stuff some jpegs in there.
May 04 05:45:09 <rwhitby> anyway, we just need to put the switchbox.ext.gz on sf.net and it will be included ...
May 04 05:45:13 <dyoung> ~nefarious
May 04 05:45:14 <jbot> i heard nefarious is to be infamous by way of nastyness
May 04 05:46:01 <dyoung> Speak of the devil.....
May 04 05:46:13 <jp30> hi, dyoung
May 04 05:46:17 <dyoung> morning.
May 04 05:46:22 <jp30> it's very early in the morning here
May 04 05:46:35 <dyoung> I guarantee its even earlier in the morning here. ;-)
May 04 05:47:05 <jp30> actually i was hoping to find eno and bug him about samba. looks like he is away though
May 04 05:48:15 <rwhitby> we don't need the payload either now, do we?
May 04 05:50:52 <dyoung> not really, we can cram moer jpegs in there. ;-)
May 04 05:51:25 <dyoung> it o nly exists for rescue mode.
May 04 05:52:14 <rwhitby> we don't have recovery mode any more
May 04 05:53:31 <dyoung> exactly.
May 04 05:53:53 <dyoung> perfect place for nudi-slugs.
May 04 05:54:56 <jp30> is anyone here able to reproduce the samba errors reported on the list? i'd like to figure out whether they are due to the update to samba 3.0.14, or to the move to cross-compilation
May 04 05:57:38 <dyoung> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/6001 , but I havnt tried for myself.
May 04 05:59:27 <dyoung-zzzz> wait, isnt uid -1 supposed to be nobody?
May 04 05:59:47 <dyoung-zzzz> that error looks like a bug.
May 04 06:01:05 <jp30> trouble is that the two changes happenned at the same time. so the fact that a user was able to back off to 3.0.11 doesn't show which caused the problem
May 04 06:01:27 <dyoung-zzzz> True.
May 04 06:01:48 <dyoung-zzzz> "dont break more than one thing at a time."
May 04 06:01:51 <dyoung-zzzz> ;-)
May 04 06:01:52 <dyoung-zzzz> night.
May 04 06:01:57 <jp30> 'night
May 04 06:06:44 * rwhitby is trying not to break slugimage ....
May 04 06:32:25 <rwhitby> ok, I've updated slugimage, but will have to wait until sf.net anon cvs catches up before I push the BB changes
May 04 06:36:49 <perlguru> does the new init stuff reduce the boottime?
May 04 06:38:10 <rwhitby> well, the thing is that now you have complete control over the boot sequence, by modifying the linuxrc in jffs2.
May 04 06:38:26 <rwhitby> so you can reduce it to whatever still works
May 04 06:46:27 <rwhitby> ok, linuxrc has also been added to openslug-init as well ....
May 04 06:46:39 <rwhitby> and switchbox has been removed from openslug.
May 04 06:46:57 <rwhitby> as soon as slugimage anon cvs updates, I'll push the changes.
May 04 06:48:00 <jp30> perlguru, i've just promoted perl-cgi-application and perl-html-template.
May 04 06:59:50 <jaro> jeanfabrice: Yesterday I asked you about compiling thttpd-php with uclibc - you said that you did compilation using uclibc based toolchain. However your package required libc to run.
May 04 07:00:17 <ziL> I just ordered a nslu2 :)
May 04 07:02:29 <jf-work> jaro : compiled with unslung_target=wl500g, it seems to me that php-thttpd doesn't depend on libc
May 04 07:05:23 <jaro> jf-work: It did install correctly using ipkg (bobo.rouselin repository), however it failed during startup. I will try to simulate that situation again. In a moment, I will come back with more detailed report.
May 04 07:06:31 <rwhitby> jaro: there is no thttpd-php package
May 04 07:06:37 <rwhitby> do you mean php-thttpd ?
May 04 07:07:36 <rwhitby> there once was a thttpdphp package, but that has been superceded by php-thttpd
May 04 07:08:40 <rwhitby> ziL: welcome to the club.  what are you going to install on it?
May 04 07:12:23 <jaro> rwhitby: Package: thttpd-php ... Version: 2.25b-5.03
May 04 07:13:30 <jaro> rwhitby: maybe I've dowloaded just by the time of "superceding" :)
May 04 07:13:36 <rwhitby> Installing php-thttpd (2.25b-5.0.3-6) to root...
May 04 07:13:37 <rwhitby> Downloading http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/wl500g/php-thttpd_2.25b-5.0.3-6_mipsel.ipk
May 04 07:14:06 <rwhitby> jaro: where is that package downloaded from?  I don't believe it's an official Unslung package.
May 04 07:15:34 <ka6sox> morning
May 04 07:15:38 <rwhitby> g'day
May 04 07:15:57 <jp30> morning, ka6sox
May 04 07:16:49 <ziL> rwhitby: I'm going to use it with ccxstream and play around with it in general
May 04 07:17:15 <ziL> rwhitby: Ordered a 	 pixelbild
May 04 07:17:17 <ziL> Maxtor Onetouch 250GB 7200RPM 8MB USB2.0
May 04 07:17:26 <ziL> Sorry about the paste :)
May 04 07:17:47 * NAiL is going home soon, and going to try to fit a 20x4 LCD display in the slug ;)
May 04 07:18:16 <rwhitby> NAiL: cutting a hole in the side to see it?
May 04 07:18:42 <NAiL> rwhitby: I have to cut a hole in the side to make it fit at all
May 04 07:18:45 <rwhitby> you could mount it on the outside, and just run the wires through a hole in the case
May 04 07:18:53 <ziL> I got myself a nice 17" tft too, can't stand my 19" Dell monitor any longer :)
May 04 07:18:55 <NAiL> Nah, won't look as good ;)
May 04 07:19:12 <ziL> NAiL: Looks are everything
May 04 07:20:49 <NAiL> But unless I can fit a usb2 hub inside the case, together with my 512mb flash-stick and a usb->lpt-converter and the display, I'm running out of ports :(
May 04 07:21:20 <NAiL> I guess I'll just have to buy another slug ;)
May 04 07:21:42 <ka6sox> ~seen [g2]
May 04 07:21:45 <jbot> [g2] <~g2@g2.nslu2-linux> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 1d 51m 33s ago, saying: 'rwhitby, hey!'.
May 04 07:22:06 <ka6sox> awol
May 04 07:22:16 <rwhitby> NAiL: that's two ports - how many more do you need ;-)
May 04 07:22:58 <NAiL> rwhitby: Loads! ;)
May 04 07:23:22 <ka6sox> rwhitby: show him Slug Central
May 04 07:24:48 <rwhitby> NAiL: http://www.targus.com/AU/popup.asp?sku=PAUH112U&name=USB+1%2E1+Micro+Swivel+4%2DPort+Hub <- put one of them inside
May 04 07:25:09 <rwhitby> I've got one of them on the back of my wl500gx
May 04 07:25:21 <rwhitby> NAiL: http://nslu2-linux.thestuffguy.com/gallery/slug-central
May 04 07:26:25 <perlguru> jp30: thanx
May 04 07:26:25 <NAiL> rwhitby: Looks a tad fat to fit inside though?
May 04 07:26:40 * perlguru going home now....
May 04 07:26:55 <rwhitby> jaro: I just installed php-thttpd on my wl500gx and it runs without error
May 04 07:27:50 <rwhitby> NAiL: not after you unsolder all four connectors and connect the wires directly.
May 04 07:28:12 <NAiL> ah.. yeah.
May 04 07:28:38 <rwhitby> it's only usb 1.1 if that matters to you
May 04 07:28:49 <NAiL> Now I only need to find someone who distributes that hub in Norway...
May 04 07:29:20 <NAiL> rwhitby: nah, not that much. I can put my stick on that hub, and use the usb2-port it frees up instead. Don't care much about speed with the stick
May 04 07:29:29 <NAiL> nor with the lpt-port
May 04 07:30:02 <rwhitby> there you go - now you can have two internal ports spare and one external port spare.
May 04 07:30:23 <NAiL> brilliant
May 04 07:31:00 <NAiL> Nice, Dell sells them
May 04 07:31:40 <jf-work> jaro : thttpdphp package from bobo(rousselin is obsolete (I should have delete all non unslung package form this point :()
May 04 07:32:32 <jf-work> rwhitby : if use to be a package from me when I didn't know unslung
May 04 07:33:03 <rwhitby> jf-work: ah, now it makes sense.
May 04 07:35:38 <rwhitby> night all
May 04 07:35:45 <NAiL> rwhitby: Thanks for the tip. 
May 04 07:35:49 <rwhitby-asleep> np
May 04 07:35:49 <NAiL> and 'nite
May 04 07:36:17 <rwhitby-asleep> Just make sure you put up some more pictures :-)
May 04 07:36:25 <NAiL> But of course ;)
May 04 07:39:07 <rwhitby-asleep> ok, I'm going to push these changes, but they won't work until slugimage anon cvs catches up.
May 04 07:39:23 <rwhitby-asleep> (cause I won't have time to push them when I wake up tomorrow)
May 04 07:47:43 <jstueve> anyone have any ideas how to recover a root password?
May 04 07:50:31 <jp30> jstueve - attach your slug's hard drive to a PC and edit the passwd file in the conf partition
May 04 07:50:41 <jaro> jf-work: thanks. So that's probably the problem :)
May 04 07:50:53 <jaro> jf-work - I will perform upgrade :)
May 04 07:50:55 <jp30> ...then you can change the root password to whatever you like
May 04 07:52:09 <jstueve> best to just blank it out, reboot and change it, copy back to /share/*/conf/passwd
May 04 07:52:33 <jstueve> check... I just read the first part in the readme...
May 04 07:53:05 <jf-work> jaro: you should remove first then install. upgrade will not work as packages don't have the same name
May 04 07:56:08 <jaro> jf-work: Yes. I wrote an inexact thing. I don't have that package on my wlhdd anymore, because I'm experimenting all the time and the disk was formatted many times :-)))
May 04 08:00:22 <ka6sox-away> jstueve, could you please write up a wiki page on the lost password recovery?
May 04 08:00:56 <jp30> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 08:00:59 <jbot> methinks nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access.
May 04 08:01:22 <jp30> hah, an opportunity to use ~nslu2-rules!
May 04 08:03:28 <jp30> for those who are interested in such things, i believe i have PEAR working
May 04 08:08:46 <jstueve> ka6sox yeah... if/when I get it back.. :D
May 04 08:10:26 <jstueve> I'm using it remote now... but the root passwd got changed to something unknonw... so can't do some stuf...
May 04 08:10:28 <jstueve> sudo
May 04 08:43:08 <ziL> Does the Maxtor drives make a lot of noise?
May 04 08:43:34 <ka6sox-away> some...and some not.
May 04 08:44:36 <ziL> ka6sox-away: Do you have a good suggestion for a near silent drive?
May 04 08:44:54 <jp30> how about a flash key?
May 04 08:51:44 <ka6sox-away> yeah....I was going to say that.
May 04 08:53:00 <jp30> if silent counts as "near silent" :)
May 04 08:54:05 <ka6sox-away> off to the Mountian.
May 04 08:54:08 <ka6sox-away> cya laters.
May 04 08:55:09 <jp30> ttfn, ka6sox
May 04 12:07:12 <jp30-work> morning, jeanfabrice
May 04 12:07:37 <jeanfabrice> good morning
May 04 12:08:27 <jp30-work> would you care to join me in testing UW imap and PEAR?
May 04 12:09:00 <jp30-work> ...i was just about to put imap into WL500G_PACKAGES_READY_FOR_TESTING
May 04 12:09:41 <jeanfabrice> I would be glad if I can give a hand, np.
May 04 12:10:28 <jp30-work> main thing i'd like checked is that "make imap-ipk php-ipk" works on wiley with current cvs
May 04 12:10:41 <jp30-work> ...works targetting wiley, i should say
May 04 12:11:28 <jeanfabrice> dyoung-zzzz: no slug today. Tomorrow is off if France.
May 04 12:13:07 <macsat> Hi
May 04 13:10:07 <VoodooZ_Work> jbot: seen odoc
May 04 13:10:10 <jbot> odoc <~odoc@c184099.adsl.hansenet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 13d 11h 41m 14s ago, saying: 'hehe'.
May 04 13:11:03 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: I did not forget you, still building php dependencies (got network troubles)
May 04 13:27:29 <dyoung-zzzz> morning.
May 04 13:27:51 <VoodooZ_Work> hey
May 04 13:28:07 <dyoung-zzzz> I take it Odoc hasnt gotten back with you eh.
May 04 13:28:11 <VoodooZ_Work> nope.
May 04 13:28:28 <VoodooZ_Work> I just did a search on google for his alias but didn't find anything.
May 04 13:28:30 <dyoung-zzzz> I waslooking for you the other day because I got the spca5xx working.
May 04 13:28:43 <VoodooZ_Work> jbot says he has not been in this channel for 13days.
May 04 13:28:46 <dyoung-zzzz> but I think it is in fact *not* a USB2 camera.
May 04 13:29:01 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, I've narrowed it down to 3 cameras.
May 04 13:29:11 <dyoung-zzzz> I was gonna offer to run some basic tests; but its pretty slow.
May 04 13:29:45 <VoodooZ_Work> The Trust spacecam 380 appears to be supported (more or less) with the OV5XX drivers.
May 04 13:30:23 <VoodooZ_Work> the iBot2 is another one and then Aplux Mu2-35 but they are all pretty hard to find in Canada.
May 04 13:30:49 <VoodooZ_Work> ebay didn't turn out much either.
May 04 13:31:47 <VoodooZ_Work> I fired off an email to the OV511 dude to see what he suggests.
May 04 13:32:39 <dyoung-zzzz> Ah, okay the spacecam is stupposed to work with the spca5xx.
May 04 13:33:20 <VoodooZ_Work> really? It's supported under the Omnivision OV drivers. Unless it's under both?
May 04 13:35:14 <VoodooZ_Work> I just checked the SPCA5xx project page and there's no mention of support of the 380 model. Just the Trust familycam 300
May 04 13:39:40 <dyoung-zzzz> Aha.  yes, those model numbers are all so confusing.
May 04 13:40:00 <VoodooZ_Work> hehehe
May 04 13:44:26 <VoodooZ_Work> anyways, got to leave work now. seeya later....
May 04 13:49:48 <dyoung-zzzz> seeya
May 04 14:19:17 <rwhitby-asleep> ok, slugimage changes have propagated, so builds on Unslung and OpenSlug from now on do not include switchbox, and therefore recover one extra block for the jffs2.  The "ramdisk" block is left empty (except for the length).
May 04 14:19:34 <rwhitby-asleep> This has not been tested yet, so those with serial should test it first.
May 04 14:19:42 <jacques> cool
May 04 14:20:21 <rwhitby-asleep> jacques: can you look at my slugimage source change, and see if you agree with the logic?  It's a three line change.
May 04 14:21:24 <jacques> rwhitby-asleep, ok
May 04 14:21:26 <jacques> will look
May 04 14:21:31 <rwhitby-asleep> once someone with serial has tested both Unslung and OpenSlug without switchbox (i.e. the image that will build now), then we'll put out the word for others to test it.
May 04 14:22:00 <rwhitby-asleep> back later
May 04 14:22:25 <jacques> rwhitby-asleep, did you submit change to nslu-changesets ? I don't see it
May 04 14:22:48 <rwhitby-away> I did.  Hmm - maybe my new CoLinux mail is broken.
May 04 14:26:01 <ka6sox-away> [g2]-away, ping
May 04 14:26:45 <jacques> I can look at the changes in the cvs browser
May 04 14:26:59 <jacques> duh since they wouldn't be in bk anyway
May 04 14:27:07 <ByronT> [g2]-away: PING!
May 04 14:51:22 <dyoung-zzzz> ka6sox, um....
May 04 14:51:27 * dyoung-zzzz hides
May 04 14:52:03 <dyoung-zzzz> ka6sox-away, what happens if I accidentally use a 100k instead of a 10k for a pullup?
May 04 14:55:18 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: ping
May 04 14:56:37 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: php builds fine with PEAR. ipk seems to install pear under /tmp. Sounds strange :/
May 04 15:04:13 <jp30-work> hey, jeanfabrice, thanks. 
May 04 15:05:04 <jp30-work> the php-pear ipk is supposed to contain only files in /tmp. it is magic
May 04 15:05:31 <jp30-work> the next thing i wanted to ask was whether installing php-pear works on a wiley
May 04 15:06:16 <glc> Pulling.
May 04 15:07:42 <jp30-work> good way to test it (pear) is to see if "pear list" and "pear list-all" produce sane output
May 04 15:11:06 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work: do you know /tmp is in flahsfs on wiley ?
May 04 15:11:21 <jp30-work> ulch, that's nasty. it's not a ramdisk?
May 04 15:11:57 <jeanfabrice> ramfs on /tmp type ramfs (rw)
May 04 15:12:06 <jp30-work> phew!
May 04 15:12:38 <jp30-work> yeah, the trouble with pear is that it's complicated to install, and the installation procedure is written in php
May 04 15:13:22 <jeanfabrice> any regexp wizard around ?
May 04 15:14:26 <jp30-work> what level wizard do you need? i am about level 6 :)
May 04 15:14:44 <jeanfabrice> I'm near 0 so...
May 04 15:15:08 <jp30-work> well, ask away then.
May 04 15:15:10 <jeanfabrice> well did you work on busybox.mk ? I need to trap the real BUSYBOX_VERSION
May 04 15:15:42 <jeanfabrice> there are two with a condition in busybox.mk
May 04 15:18:05 <jp30-work> hmm
May 04 15:19:23 <jp30-work> it looks like you can "make busybox-ipk USE_BUSYBOX_SNAPSHOT=20050101"
May 04 15:19:42 <jp30-work> in fact the busybox version that's in the feeds is 1.00
May 04 15:20:58 <jp30-work> let's look at who wrote those lines...
May 04 15:21:37 <jp30-work> it was rwhitby who was responsible for the conditional
May 04 15:22:10 <jp30-work> i suspect it can just be removed but it might be worth asking him why it was there to begin with
May 04 15:22:16 <jeanfabrice> yep. But I'm rebuilding an adduser.mk package busybox based as I got trouble with tinylogin. I would like to have adduser.mk based on busybox like you did with php-pache based on php.mk
May 04 15:23:55 <jp30-work> well, if there's no real reason to have the conditional there, then the complicated USE_BUSYBOX_SNAPSHOT stuff could be removed, and the sed trick that we used with php would work fine
May 04 15:24:20 <jeanfabrice> ok. will wait for rod approval
May 04 15:24:39 <jp30-work> in the meantime, you could make a sed script that extracts the BUSYBOX_VERSION= line that has a digit after the =
May 04 15:25:45 <jeanfabrice> I know how to subsitute, but lack some skill on how to extracts
May 04 15:26:02 <jeanfabrice> reading regexp manpages now...
May 04 15:27:14 <jeanfabrice> ok, found ;)
May 04 15:28:20 <jeanfabrice> sed -n -e 's/^BUSYBOX_VERSION *=\([0-9]\)/\1/p' make/busybox.mk
May 04 15:28:42 <jp30-work> good, that looks right.
May 04 15:28:53 <jeanfabrice> thx *blush*
May 04 15:29:42 <jp30-work> 500 XP, and you learn the spell "backrefer to subexpression"
May 04 15:33:31 <dyoung-zzzz> bahahahaha
May 04 15:33:42 <dyoung-zzzz> I had to inspect that statement several times before catching on .
May 04 15:34:03 <jp30-work> :)
May 04 15:35:00 * jp30-work casts Bigby's crushing POSIX character class
May 04 15:38:27 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work : what was the other optware you ask me to build ?
May 04 15:39:27 <jp30-work> imap; though if you have build php sucessfully, imap will have been built and staged
May 04 15:39:55 <jp30-work> can you check that "ipkg install php-pear" actually has the result of installing pear, though?
May 04 15:40:19 <jp30-work> ...a lot of work is done in postinst with php-pear
May 04 15:40:22 <jeanfabrice> yep it's done. imap-ipk is ok
May 04 15:40:34 <jp30-work> good
May 04 15:43:54 <jeanfabrice> Installing php-pear (5.0.3-9) to root...
May 04 15:43:54 <jeanfabrice> Configuring php-pear
May 04 15:43:54 <jeanfabrice> [PEAR] Archive_Tar    - installed: 1.1
May 04 15:43:54 <jeanfabrice> [PEAR] Console_Getopt - installed: 1.2
May 04 15:43:54 <jeanfabrice> sh: /usr/bin/cpp: not found
May 04 15:43:54 <jeanfabrice> [PEAR] PEAR           - installed: 1.3.3
May 04 15:43:56 <jeanfabrice> Wrote PEAR system config file at: /opt/etc/pear.conf
May 04 15:43:58 <jeanfabrice> You may want to add: /opt/share/pear to your php.ini include_path
May 04 15:44:00 <jeanfabrice> [PEAR] XML_RPC        - installed: 1.1.0
May 04 15:44:02 <jeanfabrice> Successfully terminated.
May 04 15:46:20 <jp30-work> can you try running "pear list" (expecting to see a short list of packages), and "pear list-all" (expecting to see a long list)?
May 04 15:47:07 <jeanfabrice> weird.
May 04 15:47:15 <jp30-work> how so?
May 04 15:47:19 <jeanfabrice> [jfb@hdd root]$ pear list
May 04 15:47:19 <jeanfabrice> before write 0 : 1115246791
May 04 15:47:19 <jeanfabrice> before read 0 : 1115246791
May 04 15:47:19 <jeanfabrice> before write 0 : 1115246791
May 04 15:47:19 <jeanfabrice> before read 0 : 1115246791
May 04 15:47:19 <jeanfabrice> exec: 28: -C: not found
May 04 15:47:30 <jp30-work> that's not so good
May 04 15:48:17 <jeanfabrice> that is tipycally waht happen with some package that compile fine but crahes at runtime (sane for example or mysql when I omit libstdc++)
May 04 15:49:14 <jp30-work> /opt/bin/pear is a shell script, you might find it helpful to look inside it
May 04 15:50:18 <jp30-work> that "-C not found business" looks like the problem is that /opt/bin/pear fails to find the php binary
May 04 15:56:19 <jeanfabrice> => 'test' (/usr/bin/test) is broken. It is part of wileyware ;)
May 04 15:56:51 <jeanfabrice> it is 'test' which produce the errorline, so you job is good !
May 04 15:57:05 <jeanfabrice> have to report this to oleg I think
May 04 15:59:12 <rwhitby-web> NOTE NOTE NOTE: The current OpenSlug image will probably not boot, due to /mnt/tmpmnt being missing from the rootfs, and the new linuxrc depending on that.
May 04 15:59:35 <NAiL> *very* nice to know.
May 04 15:59:46 * NAiL aborts his current build
May 04 16:00:13 <rwhitby-web> although it will probably boot fine to jffs2 - the /mnt/tmpmnt is only used when trying to load rootfs from another location (like an external disk)
May 04 16:00:28 <NAiL> aha
May 04 16:00:39 <rwhitby-web> before doing a turnup procedure, you would need to create /mnt/tmpmnt in the jffs2
May 04 16:01:19 <rwhitby-web> the linuxrc is fairly fail-safe
May 04 16:01:32 <NAiL> turnup?
May 04 16:03:13 <rwhitby-web> [g2]'s name for the OpenSlug version of unsling 
May 04 16:03:41 <NAiL> aha
May 04 16:04:15 <NAiL> aha
May 04 16:04:48 * NAiL curls up and goes to bed. Too much lag to see what I'm typing over this ssh session
May 04 16:08:01 <ka6sox-office> dyoung-zzzz, ping1
May 04 16:08:12 <ka6sox-office> (as opposed to ping0)
May 04 16:08:27 <rwhitby-web> or pingU
May 04 16:08:33 <ka6sox-office> :)
May 04 16:10:20 <ka6sox-office> I think if we can get the necessary zips and tgz's today we can be ready tonight :)
May 04 16:11:07 <ka6sox-office> Berlios and SF both have a problem with what we want to do.
May 04 16:11:37 <jacques> :-\
May 04 16:11:53 <rwhitby-web> did you make it clear that source would be there too?
May 04 16:11:58 <ka6sox-office> the TOS are written pretty wierd.
May 04 16:12:19 <ka6sox-office> its the NPE/IXP stuff that is the problem.
May 04 16:13:06 <ka6sox-office> because of the license the way it reads.
May 04 16:13:24 <jeanfabrice> have bumped adduser optware VERSION and update it to use busybox applets instead of tinylogin's ones. tinylogin applets were broken.
May 04 16:13:52 <ka6sox-office> jf: optware wiley?
May 04 16:14:32 <jeanfabrice> should be both as rod promote it to nslu2
May 04 16:14:41 <ka6sox-office> cool
May 04 16:15:38 <rwhitby-web> as soon as jp30 pushes it will be there for the slug
May 04 16:17:07 <ka6sox-office> is Vegetable part of the Openslug Binary package?
May 04 16:18:00 <rwhitby-web> yep
May 04 16:18:12 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: [root@wl500gx root]$ adduser rwhitby
May 04 16:18:18 <rwhitby-web> adduser: /home/rwhitby: No such file or directory
May 04 16:18:27 <rwhitby-web> (repeated three times)
May 04 16:18:41 <rwhitby-web> cause /home doesn't exist
May 04 16:18:42 <jeanfabrice> adduser -H
May 04 16:19:04 <jeanfabrice> or >/dev/null 2>&1 
May 04 16:19:42 <rwhitby-web> so will all usage of adduser (on both nslu2 and wl500g) require the -H flag, cause we want the behaviour to be the same and it cannot be supported on wl500g?
May 04 16:19:53 <rwhitby-web> if so, we should hard-code it
May 04 16:19:56 <rwhitby-web> as a default
May 04 16:20:40 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: what version did you push?  I get http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org/feeds/unslung/wl500g/adduser_1.4-2_mipsel.ipk
May 04 16:20:54 <jeanfabrice> what if a end user want to add a user for its personal use ?
May 04 16:20:54 <rwhitby-web> and it says it's a tinylogin applet
May 04 16:21:20 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby-away : pushing now... give me 1 or 2 mn :/
May 04 16:21:26 <rwhitby-web> ok, cool
May 04 16:22:09 <rwhitby-web> ok, so we may need to write up the package guidelines to make sure that all usage of adduser in installation scripts and rc scripts calls it with -H
May 04 16:23:04 <jeanfabrice> package compile and build but where not pushed :/
May 04 16:23:38 <rwhitby-web> or we get Oleg to add a /home mount point to the firmware so we can bind mount it from somewhere
May 04 16:23:45 <jeanfabrice> -H AND -D
May 04 16:23:58 <rwhitby-web> (but that will not address people with existing firmware)
May 04 16:24:04 <jeanfabrice> -D is for non interactive passwd call
May 04 16:24:23 <jeanfabrice> may we hardcode /opt/home
May 04 16:25:01 <rwhitby-web> can we make those options default the other way?
May 04 16:25:30 <rwhitby-web> (i.e. are there corresponding options to say "do create a home directory" and "do ask for the password interactively")
May 04 16:27:36 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby-web : nop. you MUST use these options not to create home or ask for passwd. That's the actual busybox scheme. We should document this nicely not changing the busybox behaviour applying many patches, shouldn't we ?
May 04 16:27:46 <jaro> Does anyone understand the boot process of wlhdd (using Oleg's firmware 1.9.2.7-4)? I'm reading linuxrc and noticed that there are pivot_root ; exec chroot commands invoked when booting from alternate device? What is the purpose of running the chroot?
May 04 16:27:52 <ka6sox-office> adduser automatically builds a home directory.
May 04 16:28:09 <jeanfabrice> php is broken on nudi and forbid pushing packages
May 04 16:28:21 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: then /opt/home may be the best solution.
May 04 16:28:46 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: try running make libxml2-dirclean first
May 04 16:28:56 <ka6sox-office> since adduser will only be available with a HD attached anyway then /opt/home is a good choice.
May 04 16:28:59 <jeanfabrice> one line patch : I should be abble to do it
May 04 16:29:27 <rwhitby-web> and it fits the philosophy of Optware :-)
May 04 16:29:35 <jeanfabrice> it broke on imap. sound strange as it compiled fine on my pc
May 04 16:29:47 <rwhitby-web> jaro: that's the standard way to change the rootfs
May 04 16:30:10 <rwhitby-web> we do exactly the same thing on the slug
May 04 16:30:39 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: let me see if I can build wl500g packages in my area
May 04 16:30:54 <jeanfabrice> jaro: I think Oleg put it to give the possibility to boot on an external rootfs
May 04 16:31:41 <jaro> jeanfabrice: pivot_root is not enough?
May 04 16:32:24 <rwhitby-web> nope
May 04 16:32:31 <rwhitby-web> see the pivot_root manpage
May 04 16:33:08 <rwhitby-web> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man8/pivot_root.8.html
May 04 16:34:39 <jp30-work> i am pushing the new adduser now
May 04 16:34:52 <jaro> rwithby-web: Thank you. I understand now.
May 04 16:35:32 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: make php-dirclean
May 04 16:35:52 <jeanfabrice> I did
May 04 16:36:05 <jeanfabrice> seemes that imap did not stage
May 04 16:36:30 <jeanfabrice> I build imap, imap-ipk and imap-stage. rebuilding php now
May 04 16:39:37 <jp30-work> imap is not an autotooled package, so staging is done manually (and lazily, with cp). could be permissions trouble
May 04 16:41:22 <rwhitby-web> jp30-work, jeanfabrice: (from logs): yes, please feel free to remove that conditional in busybox,mk
May 04 16:41:35 <rwhitby-web> it was historical from when I copied the file from OpenWRT
May 04 16:41:51 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work : you don't make non autotooled packages autotooling ?
May 04 16:43:10 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby-web : It permits me - with the help of josh - to create my first "backrefer to subexpression" regexp
May 04 16:44:01 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: my packages build for wl500g just completed.
May 04 16:45:01 <jp30-work> jf, it's not worth the effort to autotool packages that aren't designed for it. except in some special cases like the modularised Xlibs
May 04 16:46:27 <jp30-work> UW imap has its own complicated configuration system, but doesn't have a usable "make install" target
May 04 16:46:41 <jeanfabrice> jp30-work : I was just kidding. As my english is very very bad, sometimes (often), it doesn't work
May 04 16:46:56 <jp30-work> ah, i wondered
May 04 16:47:20 <jeanfabrice> that's why I should stop.
May 04 16:47:52 <jp30-work> now i'm embarrassed that i took you literally
May 04 16:48:06 <jeanfabrice> rwhitby-web : I've pushed optware to the feed.
May 04 16:48:27 <jp30-work> jf, imap built and staged ok in the end, then?
May 04 16:49:08 <jeanfabrice> seems to, manually done. I should distclean everything one of these days
May 04 16:50:47 <jp30-work> always a good idea. staging gets full of crud, and then you discover that it was only because you had the remains of some long lost version of something staged that anything else would build at all
May 04 16:52:20 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby-web, the simplest way for me to amend the ~nslu2-rules is to just overwrite it.
May 04 16:52:31 <ka6sox-office> so "don't panic"
May 04 16:52:42 <ka6sox-office> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 16:52:46 <jbot> extra, extra, read all about it, nslu2-rules is 1) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki, 2) Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki, 3) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access, 4) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access.
May 04 16:54:35 <jeanfabrice> Patching adduser to hardcode /opt/home as default top home directory. Should I also make cosmetic change for GECOS as it is now 'Linux User,,,' ?
May 04 16:56:28 <ka6sox-office> jbot, no nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list.
May 04 16:56:28 <ka6sox-office> 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers.
May 04 16:56:28 <ka6sox-office> 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better.
May 04 16:56:28 <ka6sox-office> 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access.
May 04 16:56:28 <ka6sox-office> 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access.
May 04 16:56:29 <jbot> okay, ka6sox-office
May 04 16:56:30 <ka6sox-office> 6. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware.
May 04 16:56:38 <ka6sox-office> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 16:56:39 <jbot> methinks nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list.
May 04 16:56:46 <ka6sox-office> heh.
May 04 16:57:28 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: adduser works as advertised on wl500g
May 04 16:57:58 <ka6sox-office> jbot, no nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access. 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without 
May 04 16:57:58 <ka6sox-office> confirmed JTAG access. 6. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware.
May 04 16:57:59 <jbot> ka6sox-office: okay
May 04 16:58:07 <ka6sox-office> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 16:58:08 <jbot> nslu2-rules is, like, 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access. 5. ...
May 04 16:58:24 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: I wouldn't bother about patching the default home dir, as scripts will need to set that manually anyway
May 04 16:58:38 <jeanfabrice> ok. less patch
May 04 16:59:01 <ka6sox-office> looks like I'll have to abbreivate...
May 04 16:59:18 <jeanfabrice> I can then go to bed as wife is now sleeping for 3 hours...
May 04 16:59:37 <rwhitby-web> jeanfabrice: night!
May 04 16:59:54 <jp30-work> night, jf. i'm heading home; i'll drop back into the channel when i get there if anyone needs me
May 04 17:00:07 <jeanfabrice> good night all
May 04 17:00:13 <rwhitby-web> looks like adduser is go!
May 04 17:00:35 <rwhitby-web> so now other packages can depend on it and use it to create (and delete in prerm) users
May 04 17:00:46 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby: I need to reorder the ~nslu2-rules so that the important ones are at the top.
May 04 17:00:47 <jf-asleep> some strange effect when trying to add a user which groupname allready exist
May 04 17:01:15 <rwhitby-web> we need a convention that says that a package can only add a user with the same name as the package, to prevent namespace collisions
May 04 17:01:27 <jf-asleep> also -G option doesn't seems to act as expected
May 04 17:01:40 <rwhitby-web> (we can approve any special cases as required on a case-by-case basis)
May 04 17:02:16 <rwhitby-web> jf-asleep: -G just worked fine for me
May 04 17:02:27 <rwhitby-web> [root@wl500gx root]$ addgroup foo
May 04 17:02:35 <rwhitby-web> [root@wl500gx root]$ adduser -DH -g "Rod Whitby" -h /dev/null -s /bin/false -G foo rwhitby
May 04 17:02:44 <rwhitby-web> rwhitby:x:500:100:Rod Whitby:/dev/null:/bin/false
May 04 17:03:00 <rwhitby-web> (foo is group 100)
May 04 17:03:18 <jf-asleep> and /etc/group ?
May 04 17:03:29 <rwhitby-web> foo:x:100:
May 04 17:03:35 <jf-asleep> so you're not in
May 04 17:04:00 <rwhitby-web> I'm in by fact of it being my primary group in the passwd file
May 04 17:04:27 <jf-asleep> What about secondary group
May 04 17:04:44 <rwhitby-web> no secondaries if you use -G
May 04 17:05:22 <rwhitby-web> (as expected)
May 04 17:06:04 <jf-asleep> ok. I did not well understand the usage
May 04 17:07:29 <jf-asleep> adduser is 23460 bytes ;)
May 04 17:09:33 <rwhitby-web> glc: I'm going to change the linuxrc to just use /mnt instead of /mnt/tmpmnt, so that it works the same on OpenSlug
May 04 17:11:33 <glc> o.k.
May 04 17:14:48 <rwhitby-web> will push that in about 10 hours time, which will take us to Unslung 4.19-alpha and OpenSlug 1.9-beta
May 04 17:15:45 <rwhitby-web> openslug has 29 alpha testers!
May 04 17:16:03 <rwhitby-web> (well, they're beta testers now, since it's past the 20)
May 04 17:17:27 <ka6sox-office> rwhitby-web: ping
May 04 17:19:56 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox-office: pong
May 04 17:20:26 <ka6sox-office> I realize you were talking to jf-asleep but I think I'd like to reorder nslu2-rules
May 04 17:20:37 <ka6sox-office> to move flashing EXACTLY to #2
May 04 17:21:07 <rwhitby-web> yep
May 04 17:21:26 <ka6sox-office> good...
May 04 17:26:29 <ka6sox-office> jbot, ~nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in IRC or on the mailing list. 2. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware. 3. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 4. Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki to make it better. 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed Re
May 04 17:26:29 <ka6sox-office> dBoot or JTAG access
May 04 17:26:33 <jbot> ka6sox-office: okay
May 04 17:26:40 <ka6sox-office> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 17:26:41 <jbot> hmm... nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access. 5. ...
May 04 17:27:47 <ka6sox-office> jbot, no ~nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in IRC or on the mailing list. 2. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware. 3. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 4. Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki to make it better. 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed
May 04 17:27:47 <ka6sox-office>  RedBoot or JTAG access.
May 04 17:27:49 <jbot> okay, ka6sox-office
May 04 17:29:29 <ka6sox-office> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 17:29:30 <jbot> from memory, nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot ...
May 04 17:29:51 <ka6sox-office> heh
May 04 17:29:59 <ka6sox-office> its still not memorizing it.
May 04 17:30:43 <ka6sox-office> no jbot, nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in IRC or on the mailing list. 2. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware. 3. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 4. Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki to make it better. 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed 
May 04 17:30:43 <ka6sox-office> RedBoot or JTAG access.
May 04 17:30:54 <ka6sox-office> ~lart jbot
May 04 17:30:54 * jbot holds ka6sox-office to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
May 04 17:31:30 <ka6sox-office> heh
May 04 17:31:57 <ka6sox-office> where is dyoung when you need him :P
May 04 17:32:26 <ka6sox-office> off home.
May 04 17:55:42 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox-office: use "jbot, foo is also ....."
May 04 17:56:18 <rwhitby-web> jbot, nslu2-rules is foo
May 04 17:56:19 <jbot> ...but nslu2-rules is already something else...
May 04 17:56:49 <rwhitby-web> no jbot, nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in IRC or on the mailing list. 2. You must read and follow the steps in the README file precisely when flashing firmware. 3. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 
May 04 17:57:35 <rwhitby-web> jbot, nslu2-rules is also 4. Those who complain about the doco, update the wiki to make it better. 5. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access.
May 04 17:57:37 <jbot> that's too long, rwhitby-web
May 04 17:58:08 <rwhitby-web> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 17:58:10 <jbot> from memory, nslu2-rules is 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot ...
May 04 18:00:57 <rwhitby-web> no jbot, nslu2-rules is 1) You must search the wiki before asking questions on IRC or mailing list. 2) You must follow the README steps precisely when flashing firmware. 3) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki with the answers. 4) Those who complain about doco, update the wiki to improve it.
May 04 18:01:24 <rwhitby-web> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 18:01:26 <jbot> nslu2-rules is probably 1. You will search the wiki first here before asking questions in channel or on the mailing list. 2. Those who ask the questions, update the wiki when they get the answers. 3. Those who complain about the documentation, update the wiki to make it better. 4. Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access. 5. ...
May 04 18:01:47 <rwhitby-web> jbot, no, nslu2-rules is 1) You must search the wiki before asking questions on IRC or mailing list. 2) You must follow the README steps precisely when flashing firmware. 3) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki with the answers. 4) Those who complain about doco, update the wiki to improve it.
May 04 18:01:48 <jbot> okay, rwhitby-web
May 04 18:02:09 <rwhitby-web> jbot, nslu2-rules is also 5) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without confirmed RedBoot access.
May 04 18:02:10 <jbot> rwhitby-web: okay
May 04 18:02:13 <rwhitby-web> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 18:02:15 <jbot> i guess nslu2-rules is 1) You must search the wiki before asking questions on IRC or mailing list. 2) You must follow the README steps precisely when flashing firmware. 3) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki with the answers. 4) Those who complain about doco, update the wiki to improve it. 5) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without ...
May 04 18:02:41 <rwhitby-web> jbot, nslu2-rules is also 6) Friends don't let friends flash custom bootloaders without confirmed JTAG access.
May 04 18:02:43 <jbot> okay, rwhitby-web
May 04 18:02:47 <rwhitby-web> ~nslu2-rules
May 04 18:02:49 <jbot> nslu2-rules is, like, 1) You must search the wiki before asking questions on IRC or mailing list. 2) You must follow the README steps precisely when flashing firmware. 3) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki with the answers. 4) Those who complain about doco, update the wiki to improve it. 5) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without ...
May 04 18:03:02 <rwhitby-web> good enough.
May 04 18:59:58 <ByronT> ~nslu2-canps
May 04 19:00:10 <ByronT> let me try that again
May 04 19:00:28 <ByronT> ~nslu2-camps
May 04 19:00:30 <jbot> nslu2-camps is, like, 1: want full linksys compatibility (including future releases), can load image through web and telnet in to run ipkg, have no clue about redboot, 2: can telnet into redboot and use linux, 3: power user, but no jtag and no custom redboots, 4: bleeding edge - custom redboots, no need or desire for linksys compatibility
May 04 19:27:56 <[g2]-away> ByronT, what's up with OpenSlug ?
May 04 19:33:51 <rwhitby-web> [g2]: FYI, the Openslug image that builds at the moment will not boot to external disks.
May 04 19:34:12 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, THX I noticed that but thx for the heads-up
May 04 19:34:14 <rwhitby-web> I introduced the switchbox-replacement linuxrc, and it needs a teak, which I have done, but cannot push till tonight.
May 04 19:34:27 <rwhitby-web> s/teak/tweak/
May 04 19:34:36 <ByronT> yes! thank you for that piece of information
May 04 19:34:43 <[g2]> oh I thought you meant mahogany :)
May 04 19:35:20 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, I've been trying to build the unslung_packages
May 04 19:35:22 <rwhitby-web> the work-around is to mkdir /mnt/tmpmnt before turnup, or to replace /mnt/tmpmnt with just /mnt in all places in the /linuxrc (which is the correction I have made in the image).
May 04 19:35:38 <rwhitby-web> [g2]: you mean Optware/Unslung ?
May 04 19:35:49 <rwhitby-web> or Optware on OpenSlug ?
May 04 19:36:08 <[g2]> cvs pull from unslung and a make
May 04 19:36:20 <[g2]> that'd be the unslung/packages right ?
May 04 19:36:41 <[g2]> I've been timing out on ccxstream-1.0.15
May 04 19:36:44 <rwhitby-web> yeah, we call them Optware now, and they can be targetted to Unslung or Wiley.
May 04 19:37:05 <[g2]> Wiley is the wl-500x platform
May 04 19:37:34 <[g2]> I'd like to generalize the make to build the OpenSlug toolchain
May 04 19:37:53 <[g2]> so I guess that'd be Optware/OpenSlug
May 04 19:38:15 <[g2]> we really need to get an archive setup somewhere
May 04 19:39:16 <rwhitby-web> [g2]: you can use /home/downloads on nudi as an archive ...
May 04 19:39:30 <rwhitby-web> (for sources I presume you mean)
May 04 19:39:40 <[g2]> nod.
May 04 19:40:00 <rwhitby-web> that dir should contain everything required for Optware, Unslung, OpenSlug and Wiley.
May 04 19:40:29 <[g2]> rwhitby-away, nod. I'd think that everything but the Intel stuff could be on a public repo
May 04 19:40:53 <[g2]> rwhitby-web, Have hugged you lately ?
May 04 19:40:56 <rwhitby-web> yep, we could easily setup a periodic rsync for that.
May 04 19:41:05 <[g2]> s/Have I/
May 04 19:41:20 * [g2] hugs rwhitby-web 
May 04 19:41:45 <rwhitby-web> Right.  What was that for? :-)
May 04 19:41:59 <[g2]> you're special everyday
May 04 19:42:25 <rwhitby-web> Have you been away at the hippie commune again ... ?
May 04 19:42:53 <[g2]> to me it's exciting how far things have progressed in the last 10 months
May 04 19:43:06 * rwhitby-web sends a manly slap on the shoulder back to [g2]
May 04 19:43:10 <ByronT> heh
May 04 19:43:27 <[g2]> we're talking about having a full production system
May 04 19:44:04 <rwhitby-web> what's the market that you're targetting again?
May 04 19:44:33 <[g2]> for what hw ?
May 04 19:44:53 <rwhitby-web> the "full production system"
May 04 19:45:43 <[g2]> I mean we're pretty close to having a full production build system soup-to-nuts that builds the entire firmware and application packages all under one roof
May 04 19:45:55 <[g2]> and is usable by the common joe
May 04 19:46:19 <[g2]> oe fulfills all but the common joe part
May 04 19:46:45 <rwhitby-web> so the only thing we can redistribute is the ixp400AccessLibrary-1_4.zip right?
May 04 19:46:51 <rwhitby-web> (from sources)
May 04 19:46:56 <rwhitby-web> s/can/can't/
May 04 19:47:33 <[g2]> i'd have to double check, but iirc that's my understanding
May 04 19:53:50 <rwhitby-web> Hmm - just realised that sf.net likes projects to keep their web space usage under 100MB.  We are at 1.2GB due to our feeds.
May 04 19:55:08 <[g2]> ka6sox, any idea how much bw nslu2-linux.org is using upstream ?
May 04 20:00:07 <rwhitby-web> ka6sox will know the wiki bandwidth, but not the feeds bandwidth.  We had to put that back on sf.net cause it was saturating his link.
May 04 21:04:41 <dyoung-web> morning.
May 04 21:08:18 <rwhitby-web> dyoung-web: g'day
May 04 21:08:33 <rwhitby-web> dyoung-web: tried unslung 4.18 yet?
May 04 21:10:29 <rwhitby-web> we should put something in unsling ipkg database that says which version of firmware you have installed, so we can make it a dependency of some packages ...
May 04 21:11:26 <dyoung-web> Nope, didnt try yet.  I freed prodslug.old though, so I can give it a go.
May 04 21:11:54 <dyoung-web> Just need to unbury it from under all those '244's.
May 04 21:11:56 <rwhitby-web> I guess unslung-rootfs serves that purpose - maybe I should change it's version number to match the unslung version.
May 04 21:13:35 <rwhitby-web> Hmm - that doesn't work too well for Optware/Unslung vs Optware/WileyWare
May 04 21:14:19 <rwhitby-web> I think I'll just let that one gel for a while ....
May 04 21:14:52 <dyoung-web> like a tool or somehting?
May 04 21:15:10 <dyoung-web> "something in unsling ipkg database"
May 04 21:16:27 <rwhitby-web> ~unslung
May 04 21:16:42 <jbot> somebody said unslung was replacement firmware for the NSLU2 which is designed to allow changes to the root filesystem and operation, while still providing all the standard product functionality.  See http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung for more information.
May 04 21:16:45 <rwhitby-web> ~openslug
May 04 21:16:47 <jbot> i heard openslug is is one of three streams of replacement firmware for the NSLU2.  It is designed as a complete replacement for the original kernel, root filesystem and applications.  It may even replace the RedBoot bootloader (although that is quite risky).  The consensus seems to be to use the latest 2.6 kernel, and add Intel drivers for the ethernet interface.
May 04 21:17:13 <ByronT> ~praise jbot
May 04 21:17:20 <ByronT> ~botsnack
May 04 21:17:21 <jbot> All hail jbot!
May 04 21:17:21 <jbot> aw, gee, ByronT
May 04 21:17:34 <ByronT> whoops..
May 04 21:19:08 <ByronT> ~praise rwhitby-web
May 04 21:19:11 <jbot> All hail rwhitby-web!
May 04 21:19:26 <dyoung-web> ~wileyware
May 04 21:19:36 <dyoung-web> ~wiley
May 04 21:19:38 <jbot> wiley is, like, the petname for the Asus WL-500 family of products, including the WL-HDD
May 04 21:20:39 <dyoung-web> the petname for the Asus WL-500 family of products, including the WL-HDD
May 04 21:21:11 <dyoung-web> jbot, no wiley is the petname for the Asus WL-500 family of products, including the WL-HDD, WL-500gx, and WL-500g
May 04 21:21:12 <jbot> dyoung-web: okay
May 04 21:21:35 <dyoung-web> ~coredump
May 04 21:21:37 <jbot> it has been said that coredump is the guy who maintains the unofficial OZ3.3.6-pre1 / Opie 1.1.x ROMs at http://www.hentges.net
May 04 21:23:30 <dyoung-web> bbiab
May 04 21:53:17 <ByronT> good night all!
May 04 22:07:13 <james_tyrrell> hello, would anyone be able to tell me where i can get the source for unslung4.x
May 04 22:07:15 <james_tyrrell> ??
May 04 22:14:34 <jacques> not the most patient sort
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