**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 14 23:59:56 2005
May 15 00:08:38 <macsat> hi
May 15 04:45:40 <jaro> hi there. I'm trying to extend Oleg's firmware with the ability of custom startup services? Has anyone any suggestions on how the inittab (or whatever) should look like (i expect just list of command which will be executed one after another).
May 15 04:45:55 <jaro> s/\(list of command\)/\1s/
May 15 04:47:43 <jp30> jaro, does wileyware not support startup services in /opt/etc/init.d?
May 15 04:47:54 <rwhitby-away> jaro: whilst there are some people here who use Oleg's firmware, this isn't really the right channel for that discussion (as Oleg's firmware does not run on the nslu2).  So don't be surprised if you don't get much of a response to questions about Oleg's firmware.
May 15 04:48:08 <jp30> morning, rwhitby
May 15 04:48:19 <rwhitby> That being said, since there's not much else happening, feel free to ask away :-)
May 15 04:48:22 <rwhitby> hey jp30
May 15 04:49:11 <rwhitby> wileyware uses the standard Broadcom init, which is a busybox-like executable called via applet symlinks, with all the startup code compiled into a single executable.
May 15 04:50:55 <rwhitby> Oleg makes it call pre-boot, post-boot and post-mount scripts, and we advise people to call /opt/etc/init.d/rc.unslung (which should probably be renamed to rc.optware in a future release) from the post-mount script, after ensuring that /opt is mounted.
May 15 04:51:04 <jaro> jp30: it should somehow be supported by busybox init (reading /etc/inittab), however I've found out, that /sbin/rc binary (to which /sbin/init is symlinked) performs quite a lot of "startup work" (starting interfaces, completing filesystem...). Firmware with busybox init enabled won't work - I expect this to be the reason.
May 15 04:51:57 <jp30> i was just thinking that if any work is to be done on extending wileyware's init sequence, it would be best to do it in a way that's compatible with unslung packages
May 15 04:52:13 <rwhitby> jaro: I too have been pondering how to emulate the inittab "respawn" behaviour for running mgetty on a wiley.
May 15 04:52:59 <jaro> pre-boot, post-boot and other scripts can be used, however they have to be located on flashfs.
May 15 04:53:18 <rwhitby> jp30: there is a convention which allows wileyware to call the standard unslung rc scripts.
May 15 04:53:33 <rwhitby> jaro: that's correct.  what's the problem with that?
May 15 04:54:01 <jaro> i've also noticed that some services are hard coded into init script (namely telnetd, upnp,httpd,dns,dhcpd,logger(klogd?))
May 15 04:54:03 <jp30> rwhitby, could we package init as a seperate package reading /opt/etc/inittab to do the respawn thing?
May 15 04:54:45 <rwhitby> if it could be made to work on both slug and wiley, then yes, that would be the ideal solution.
May 15 04:55:27 <jaro> jp30 - you migh examine the busybox init.c which performs parsing and processing of inittab file.
May 15 04:58:37 <jaro> rwhitby: I will use the firmware on wlhdd for special purposes, rootfs will be located on ide and I find it a bit complicated to have initscripts and other things located somewhere else (flashfs)
May 15 04:59:58 <rwhitby> If rootfs is located on ide, then just add code to the init exe.
May 15 05:00:58 <jaro> rwitby - yes, I will do so.
May 15 05:01:43 <p3pilot> rwhitby, I have wizd building now very well..it doesn't have an install so I am thinking of just copying the files under /share/hdd/conf/opt/share
May 15 05:01:47 <p3pilot> would this be okay?
May 15 05:03:29 <jaro> Maybe I'd like to incorporate greater power as can be seen in busybox init. The respawning would be very useful thing. Might that be possible with separate respawning daemon (I expect so).
May 15 05:03:49 <rwhitby> p3pilot, is the wizd.mk checked into CVS ?
May 15 05:04:35 <p3pilot> not yet..I really am not that good with cvs...I mostly use perforce
May 15 05:05:04 <p3pilot> I also haven't done anything yet with the install part...all it does right now is build
May 15 05:05:16 <rwhitby> ok, let's get that done first, so that I can see what is there and advise
May 15 05:05:32 <rwhitby> have you uploaded your ssh key to sf.net?
May 15 05:06:03 <rwhitby> jaro: no reason why a respawning daemon wouldn't work, and if we add an inittab package to Optware then you could also use that
May 15 05:06:19 <p3pilot> no...that is part I wasn't sure about from the wiki..starting where it says Check in your package sources
May 15 05:11:57 <p3pilot> generating my keys now and then I will upload
May 15 05:13:01 <rwhitby> ok, I think you can do it with just a password, but it is definitely more convenient with keys uploaded.
May 15 05:20:28 <rwhitby> hey jf-work
May 15 05:22:45 <rwhitby> p3pilot: you will need to check out the Unslung CVS using the :ext: protocol instead of the :pserver: protocol to be able to check in the new wizd package
May 15 05:25:42 <p3pilot> okay..now I understand that line...I should do this in a different directory, I guess?
May 15 05:25:52 <p3pilot> keys are uploaded..I will check out again now
May 15 05:26:15 <rwhitby> yeah, do it in a different directory, and then copy your modified and new files across
May 15 05:26:53 <p3pilot> okay..right now all I should have is the wizd.mk file?  the rest of the files needed are in the zip that is downloaded
May 15 05:27:05 <rwhitby> ok, good
May 15 05:27:29 <rwhitby> later we will add a sources/rc.wizd file to automatically start it on boot
May 15 05:30:24 <p3pilot> that was good..it asked for my passphrase and worked :)
May 15 05:32:21 <p3pilot> okay..now I copied over the wizd.mk to the new tree
May 15 05:32:33 <rwhitby> ok, do "cvs add make/wizd.mk"
May 15 05:33:05 <p3pilot> and then commit?
May 15 05:33:28 <rwhitby> yep
May 15 05:33:38 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/Makefile: Fixed the typo of siproxd in the CROSS_PACKAGES.
May 15 05:34:28 <jaro> whitby: the package contains /sbin/init? If yes I would expect this not to work on Oleg's firmware. I'm not sure but I expect the current init script can be removed/substituted as it performs necessary startup actions which are 'must' for working system.
May 15 05:35:06 <rwhitby> jaro: the package would include an /opt/sbin/init, and it would just parse and execute /opt/etc/inittab
May 15 05:35:43 <CIA-1> 03smglchatguru * 10unslung/make/wizd.mk: 
May 15 05:35:43 <CIA-1> unslung/make/wizd.mk: Added file. Still needs work on install, but
May 15 05:35:43 <CIA-1> builds.
May 15 05:37:50 <rwhitby> p3pilot: I'm going to build it for wl500g, cause I needed to start my crosstool build from scratch for the nslu2.  But that shouldn't matter for this exercise.
May 15 05:38:02 <rwhitby> building it now ...
May 15 05:38:36 <p3pilot> I understand..the what and where to copy the files should be the same
May 15 05:38:59 <p3pilot> it works very well, but the way it wants to be setup isn't like most linux programs
May 15 05:39:41 <rwhitby> BTW, WIZD_DEPENDS must be comma-separated
May 15 05:39:50 <p3pilot> sorry about that
May 15 05:40:11 <rwhitby> no need for apologies, that's what we're here for today :-)
May 15 05:41:13 <rwhitby> in .built, for CPPFLAGS, replace /slug/unslung/staging/opt/include with $(STAGING_INCLUDE_DIR)
May 15 05:41:33 <rwhitby> or better still, put that in WIZD_CPPFLAGS
May 15 05:41:54 <rwhitby> and put the -lm in WIZD_LDFLAGS  (in the definitions section at the top of the file)
May 15 05:42:05 <p3pilot> ok
May 15 05:43:01 <rwhitby> ok, it built for wl500g.
May 15 05:43:43 <rwhitby> have you considered whether it should run as a stand-alone daemon, or from inetd ?
May 15 05:44:13 <p3pilot> not at all..not sure I would even know how to make that decision
May 15 05:44:48 <rwhitby> what's the normal memory usage of the wizd process on the nslu2?
May 15 05:45:39 <p3pilot> what is the best way to get that number..mine is running ow
May 15 05:45:46 <rwhitby> ps -ef
May 15 05:46:23 <rwhitby> "Size" column
May 15 05:48:37 <p3pilot> looks like three processes each with 2384..at least for now..without streaming a movie there are two processes
May 15 05:49:04 <rwhitby> ok, that is quite small. so might as well run it as a stand-alone daemon
May 15 05:49:24 <p3pilot> maybe one of them with 2964 after streaming a little..
May 15 05:49:44 <rwhitby> if you had said 10000, then things would be different :-)
May 15 05:49:55 <p3pilot> yes..doesn't seem to take much at all...it works well from the slug..bogged it down trying to copy 1.5 gig to slug while streaming, but probably expected
May 15 05:50:58 <rwhitby> yep, I've been running the OpenShowCenter daemon under PHP/Apache, but wizd will be a much smaller footprint solution for straight streaming of media
May 15 05:51:38 <rwhitby> ok, we should set document_root to /share/hdd/data in the wizd.conf
May 15 05:51:55 <p3pilot> okay..I made those two changes and mine won't build now
May 15 05:52:03 <rwhitby> actually /opt/share/www would be better
May 15 05:52:21 <rwhitby> p3pilot: ok, let me try that
May 15 05:52:54 <p3pilot> getting this which I haven't seen before:
May 15 05:52:56 <p3pilot> armv5b-softfloat-linux-gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations
May 15 05:53:57 <rwhitby> still builds for me
May 15 05:54:04 <rwhitby> WIZD_CPPFLAGS=-I$(STAGING_INCLUDE_DIR)
May 15 05:54:07 <rwhitby> WIZD_LDFLAGS=-lm
May 15 05:54:18 <rwhitby> then later down:
May 15 05:54:32 <rwhitby>         CPPFLAGS="$(STAGING_CPPFLAGS) $(WIZD_CPPFLAGS)" \
May 15 05:54:32 <rwhitby>         LDFLAGS="$(STAGING_LDFLAGS) $(WIZD_LDFLAGS)" \
May 15 05:54:32 <rwhitby>         $(MAKE) -C $(WIZD_BUILD_DIR) $(TARGET_CONFIGURE_OPTS)
May 15 05:55:52 <p3pilot> type on my part
May 15 05:55:55 <p3pilot> typo
May 15 05:55:57 <p3pilot> builds now
May 15 05:55:59 <rwhitby> maybe we can put docroot under /opt/share/wizd
May 15 05:56:43 <rwhitby> and put the InternetRadio.html in there, and people can symlink other stuff into there from /share/hdd/data (nslu2) or /tmp/harddisk (wl500g)
May 15 05:56:45 <p3pilot> mine doesn't really hold anything in it, but one .html file
May 15 05:57:06 <rwhitby> ok so you can do:
May 15 05:57:52 <rwhitby> install -d $(WIZD_IPK_DIR)/opt/share/wizd
May 15 05:58:29 <rwhitby>   cp -rip $(WIZD_SOURCE_DIR)/docroot/* $(WIZD_IPK_DIR)/opt/share/wizd
May 15 05:59:09 <rwhitby> chmod 644 $(WIZD_IPK_DIR)/opt/share/wizd/*
May 15 06:01:07 <p3pilot> that is all that will be under WIZD_IPK then?
May 15 06:03:04 <rwhitby> nope, also the binary and the conf file
May 15 06:03:44 <rwhitby> we'll also need to patch the conf file to point to the new docroot
May 15 06:03:48 <p3pilot> okay..I haven't found a way for the conf file to be anywhere but in the wizd directory
May 15 06:04:12 <rwhitby> ok, let's look at the code ....
May 15 06:04:48 <rwhitby> have a look at wizd.h - we will probably just patch that
May 15 06:05:40 <p3pilot> actually it should work with it in /etc
May 15 06:05:51 <p3pilot> at least according to the file..let me try moving mine
May 15 06:06:46 <rwhitby> bbiab
May 15 06:06:47 <p3pilot> no..it is looking in /etc and we need /opt/etc
May 15 06:10:23 <rwhitby> I'll check in a patch file
May 15 06:11:03 <p3pilot> okay...
May 15 06:14:09 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (make/wizd.mk sources/wizd/wizd.h.patch): Added wizd patch
May 15 06:14:22 <rwhitby> cvs up, make wizd-dirclean, make
May 15 06:14:48 <rwhitby> (make wizd)
May 15 06:14:59 <rwhitby> oops, hang on
May 15 06:15:40 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/wizd.mk: Fixed a typo in the patch application.
May 15 06:15:42 <rwhitby> try that one
May 15 06:18:12 <p3pilot> okay..built..let me move the binary and change where is the conf on the slug
May 15 06:18:30 <rwhitby> that should look in ./wizd.conf and /opt/etc/wizd.conf
May 15 06:22:52 <p3pilot> it didn't find it there
May 15 06:24:41 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (make/wizd.mk sources/wizd/wizd.conf.patch): Patched wizd.conf
May 15 06:24:45 <rwhitby> p3pilot: ok, let me look closer at the code ...
May 15 06:24:59 <p3pilot> I don't think the patch ran for me
May 15 06:25:12 <rwhitby> did your wizd.mk update?
May 15 06:26:19 <p3pilot> not sure it did..I did cvs up..let me try again
May 15 06:27:24 <p3pilot> I am getting this at the beginning of up ? unslung/make/wizd.mk
May 15 06:27:25 <p3pilot> ? unslung/sources/wizd
May 15 06:27:45 <rwhitby> ah, you need to remove your local files, so it can get the ones from CVS
May 15 06:28:06 <p3pilot> okay..just delete those?
May 15 06:28:10 <rwhitby> hmm - are you doing cvs up in the :ext: checkout?
May 15 06:28:24 <p3pilot> no...in the pserver
May 15 06:28:33 <p3pilot> where I have been messing around
May 15 06:28:39 <rwhitby> do it in the :ext: - the :pserver is on a 6 hour delay
May 15 06:28:54 <p3pilot> okay
May 15 06:32:06 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Packaging wizd-ipk
May 15 06:32:49 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/wizd.mk: Fixed typo in ipk target.
May 15 06:32:59 <p3pilot> why did it not get the patches, but it did get the updated .mk?
May 15 06:33:21 <rwhitby> you need to use -dP args to cvs update
May 15 06:33:37 <rwhitby> create a ~/.cvsrc with "upate -d -P" in it
May 15 06:33:46 <rwhitby> "update -d -P"
May 15 06:34:17 <rwhitby> -d to get new dirs (like sources/wizd) and -P to prune empty dirs
May 15 06:35:03 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/wizd.mk: Added Section
May 15 06:35:22 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/wizd.mk: Fixed DEPENDS.
May 15 06:35:39 <rwhitby> ok, "make wizd-ipk" works now
May 15 06:36:36 <rwhitby> p3pilot: you should be able to "ipkg install <file>" the file that is produced
May 15 06:37:51 <p3pilot> okay....building now with the patch
May 15 06:38:02 <p3pilot> thanks for all the great help...learned alot
May 15 06:40:12 <rwhitby> p3pilot: wizd was one of the package on my TODO list for my personal use, so you have helped me out.
May 15 06:40:46 <rwhitby> and we now have another seasoned Unslung package developer :-)
May 15 06:42:08 <p3pilot> don't know about seasoned..but at least much more knowledgable....new binary works with conf in /opt/etc/, now I will build the package
May 15 06:42:36 <p3pilot> do I have to rebuild the crosstool under my ext dir or can I copy?
May 15 06:42:51 <rwhitby> copy the toolchain dir across
May 15 06:45:17 <rwhitby> that should prevent it rebuilding
May 15 06:45:19 <p3pilot> big copy
May 15 06:45:44 <rwhitby> or move it :-)  you won't need the pserver checkout any more
May 15 06:46:10 <p3pilot> yeah..that would have been good :) rm is fast
May 15 06:51:39 <p3pilot> once that package is ipk is built just copy over to slug and install?
May 15 06:52:05 <rwhitby> yep
May 15 06:53:06 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/make/libdvdread.mk: Now generates the control file.
May 15 06:53:43 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/libdvdread/control: Now generated
May 15 06:55:25 <p3pilot> where does the package go on the slug?
May 15 06:55:46 <rwhitby> you can put it anywhere - you have to tell ipkg install where it is
May 15 07:00:33 <CIA-1> 03unslung * 10unslung/Makefile: Promoted wizd for slug and wiley, promoted libdvdread for wiley
May 15 07:02:52 <p3pilot> rwhitby, maybe a little bit fast...doesn't quite work with the package
May 15 07:03:01 <rwhitby> p3pilot: are you on the mpeg-playcenter.com forums?
May 15 07:03:13 <rwhitby> p3pilot:what needs fixing?
May 15 07:03:15 <p3pilot> yes...I am there
May 15 07:04:33 <p3pilot> it needs the skin under the wizd directory I think
May 15 07:05:04 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/wizd/rc.wizd: Added the -d flag to make it run as a daemon.
May 15 07:05:28 <p3pilot> there should be two directories there...one called docroot which we set to /opt/share/wizd and and the other skin that has the pages to display on screen
May 15 07:07:48 <p3pilot> looks like that location is defined in wizd.h as ./skin
May 15 07:09:00 <caplink811> morning
May 15 07:09:43 <caplink811> anybody out there, who can help me to leave maintenance mode after an unsuccessful upgrade?
May 15 07:10:04 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/ (make/wizd.mk sources/wizd/wizd.conf.patch): Fixed the missing skin dir
May 15 07:10:13 <rwhitby> caplink811: if you are still in maintenance mode, then the upgrade was not successful.
May 15 07:10:14 <dyoung-zzzz> caplink811, rm /.ramdisk
May 15 07:10:29 <caplink811> thx dyoung-zzzz 
May 15 07:10:36 <rwhitby> a successfull upgrade would create a new rootfs in jffs2
May 15 07:10:48 <rwhitby> (which would not have a /.ramdisk file in it)
May 15 07:11:22 <caplink811> rwhitby: upgrade didn't start, bin file was transfered, but flashing don't start, dunno why
May 15 07:12:07 <rwhitby> dyoung-zzzz: /.ramdisk is either in jffs2 or /dev/ram1, both of which are cleared on a successfull upgrade
May 15 07:12:17 <rwhitby> caplink811: hard disk attached?
May 15 07:12:30 <rwhitby> p3pilot: try that one
May 15 07:12:37 <caplink811> yes, but not in maintenance mode, rootfs is in jffs2
May 15 07:12:38 <dyoung-zzzz> but, he said "after an unsuccessful upgrade".
May 15 07:12:53 <rwhitby> oops - sorry, my bad :-)
May 15 07:13:34 <dyoung-zzzz> Thanks for wizd!
May 15 07:13:42 <dyoung-zzzz> I'll be needing that in around 5 days.
May 15 07:13:52 <rwhitby> in that case, you would need to mount the jffs2 partition (mount -t jffs2 /dev/mtdblock4 /mnt), and remove the /mnt/.ramdisk file
May 15 07:14:04 <caplink811> deleted .ramdisk, reboot, skug comes up, and slug is still in maintenance mod e:-(
May 15 07:14:13 <dyoung-zzzz> oh yeah, what he said.
May 15 07:14:21 <p3pilot> patch failed
May 15 07:14:24 <rwhitby> caplink811: deleted it from the ramdisk, or from the jffs2?
May 15 07:14:28 <dyoung-zzzz> you need to remove the flagfile from the jffs2 not the ramdisk.
May 15 07:14:31 <caplink811> mom, pls
May 15 07:14:38 <p3pilot> Hunk $4 FAILED at 162
May 15 07:14:40 <rwhitby> p3pilot: scratch that, the patch is bad
May 15 07:15:04 <rwhitby> stupid DOS files in wizd
May 15 07:15:24 <p3pilot> yes..very much so..many things like that I found when trying to build
May 15 07:16:53 <CIA-1> 03rwhitby * 10unslung/sources/wizd/wizd.conf.patch: Fixed the patch
May 15 07:16:55 <rwhitby> ok, I actually tested that one :-)
May 15 07:17:16 <rwhitby> (as Linus Torvalds says: "Testing is for users" :-)
May 15 07:19:40 <caplink811> rwhitby: 1st try from ramdisk, 2nd try from jffs2, that was the better way ;-), so the slug has leave maintenance.. thx
May 15 07:19:56 <rwhitby> caplink811: can you add an FAQ entry please?
May 15 07:20:26 <caplink811> i will do it, just after the slug is on 4.20
May 15 07:22:08 <rwhitby> p3pilot: we should somehow remove the ^Ms from the wizd.conf file before packaging
May 15 07:23:40 <benz> hi
May 15 07:23:56 <rwhitby> g'day
May 15 07:24:03 <benz> gday!
May 15 07:24:11 <benz> how is going ?
May 15 07:25:22 <benz> rwhitby, you have good knowledge about nslu2 ?
May 15 07:25:36 <rwhitby> hmm - how should I answer that ...
May 15 07:25:51 <benz> well, i will ask you a question and we gonna see then
May 15 07:26:35 <rwhitby> benz: which firmware are you running?
May 15 07:26:48 <benz> if i wanna install a linux software example eggdrop or and irc client do i really need openslug or unslug firmware to do it ? or is way to do it on the native firmware comming with the nslu2 i mean the default factory
May 15 07:26:59 <benz> rwhitby the native one
May 15 07:27:48 <rwhitby> well, my answer might be a bit biased ...
May 15 07:28:34 <rwhitby> where are you getting the eggdrop or irc client from ?
May 15 07:28:46 <caplink811> has anybody an idea, why my slug wouldn't flash the 4.20.bin? Eintering maintenance mode, and transfer of the bin file works, but after the transfer, it didn't start to flash :-(
May 15 07:29:21 <rwhitby> caplink811: hard disk attached?
May 15 07:29:30 <caplink811> nope
May 15 07:29:41 <rwhitby> anything in /unslung in jffs2?
May 15 07:29:54 <caplink811> yes, why?
May 15 07:30:14 <rwhitby> that may be preventing the upgrade
May 15 07:30:18 <benz> rwhitby well i have two choice 1- from the original site example www.eggheads.org or the package ready on nslu2-linux website but i think this package work only with slug firmware
May 15 07:31:30 <rwhitby> benz: if you get it from the Unslung package feed, then you will need to run the Unslung firmware (which I wrote most of).  if you compile it yourself from source, then it's your choice.
May 15 07:31:52 <p3pilot> rwhitby, that packages works great
May 15 07:31:56 <benz> rwhitby compiling it can be compiled under the original firmware ?
May 15 07:32:06 <rwhitby> (well actually, SerComm and Linus wrote most of the Unslung firmware, I just modified it a bit ...)
May 15 07:32:51 <rwhitby> benz: if you are a masochist, then yes, you can upload an executable and run it under the original firmware.  I know of nobody who does that though ....
May 15 07:33:26 <p3pilot> rwhitby, what were you thinking on mpeg-playcenter?
May 15 07:33:51 <rwhitby> p3pilot: are you going to update http://www.mpeg-playcenter.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=2833 ?
May 15 07:35:40 <rwhitby> as you can see, I've been meaning to do the wizd package since 18 April :-)
May 15 07:36:27 <rwhitby> p3pilot: which media player do you have?
May 15 07:36:36 <benz> rwhitby and does those thing can damage my nslu2 ?
May 15 07:37:00 <benz> rwhitby, and how i can do that ?? i just can do filetransfer telnet/ssh/ftp dont work on my nslu2
May 15 07:37:36 <rwhitby> benz: with over 2000 installations, we know of nobody who has damaged their nslu2 by installing released Unslung or OpenSlug firmware
May 15 07:39:02 <benz> ok
May 15 07:39:05 <benz> and no overheat ? hehe
May 15 07:39:20 <benz> what kind of proccess there is in that i mean what can be equivalent ? petium 166 ??
May 15 07:39:55 <rwhitby> benz: that info is on the wiki
May 15 07:40:09 <benz> about overheat or processor ?
May 15 07:40:23 <rwhitby> processor
May 15 07:40:25 <benz> and i saw some other thing like the nslu2 is the only one kind able to do that ? :)
May 15 07:40:26 <benz> ok
May 15 07:40:31 <benz> so does it can overheat ?
May 15 07:40:44 <rwhitby> why would it?
May 15 07:40:44 <p3pilot> rwhitby, I have the IO-DATA
May 15 07:41:00 <benz> cause processor run more with background stuff lol
May 15 07:41:28 <caplink811> so deleted the files in jffs2 unslung dir, enter maintenance mode, upload firmware, but the slug wouldn't start flashing.. any other ideas pls
May 15 07:41:50 <rwhitby> p3pilot: this one? http://www.iodata.com/products/products.php?cat=HNP&sc=AVEL&pId=AVLP2%2FDVDLA&ts=2&tsc=15
May 15 07:42:08 <rwhitby> caplink811: what's in /unslung or /opt/etc/init.d ?
May 15 07:42:22 <rwhitby> oh sorry, you said you deleted unslung
May 15 07:42:22 <caplink811> in /unslung nothing
May 15 07:42:29 <caplink811> np
May 15 07:42:39 <rwhitby> anything being started in /opt/etc/init.d in jffs2?
May 15 07:43:21 <caplink811> nothing, /opt pointed to the hdd
May 15 07:43:29 <rwhitby> Hmm - dunno then.
May 15 07:43:37 <rwhitby> might have to do a redboot upgrade
May 15 07:43:47 <p3pilot> rwhitby, yes that one..just got it last week.
May 15 07:43:56 <caplink811> jeah, have think about that
May 15 07:44:10 <benz> well i see some info about the hardware but doenst tell me the equivalent
May 15 07:44:50 <rwhitby> caplink811: when that's happened in the past, it's been because the upgrade.cgi Linksys app thinks there's not enough free mem for the upgrade (when in fact there is plenty of free mem, it's just that some is temporarily in buffers and cache).
May 15 07:45:59 <caplink811> but, it's a freshly booted slug, and never happend before, hm, had just anybody updated from 4.19 to 4.20?
May 15 07:46:17 <p3pilot> rwhitby, just showing my wife now how to play movies using wizd and the slug...pretty slick :)
May 15 07:46:23 <rwhitby> benz: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/Performance - see the end of the page
May 15 07:46:36 <benz> thanks
May 15 07:47:04 <rwhitby> p3pilot: nice
May 15 07:47:49 <rwhitby> p3pilot: can you add a wizd page to http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Packages ?
May 15 07:48:19 <benz> ok 266mmx!
May 15 07:48:26 <benz> not so bad for tiny thing hehe
May 15 07:48:53 <rwhitby> depending on which benchmark you are using.  see the USB performance earlier on that page too
May 15 07:49:05 <p3pilot> rwhitby, sure..I will copy over from where I put it on the wish list :)
May 15 07:50:40 <benz> rwhitby well how can i access and compile thing if i dont use unslug or openslug etc with the native firmware only filetransfer work i cannot ftp/telnet/ssh or what ever
May 15 07:52:32 <rwhitby> benz: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/HomePage - but I wouldn't recommend it.  Just install Unslung.
May 15 07:53:00 <benz> ok and what the difference between unslug and openslug ?
May 15 07:53:11 <rwhitby> ~nslu2-wiki
May 15 07:53:12 <jbot> it has been said that nslu2-wiki is the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/".
May 15 07:54:12 <rwhitby> night all.  p3pilot: nice work on wizd
May 15 07:54:32 <p3pilot> rwhitby, thanks for all your help....something a few people wanted I am sure
May 15 09:03:15 <Spooky8577> Hi!
May 15 09:04:51 <Spooky8577> Does anybody know if BitKeeper repository is broken ?
May 15 09:10:54 <Spooky8577> I get some messages like "Removing from enviroment is not supported!" , "output error: Broken pipe"
May 15 09:11:07 <Spooky8577> if I try "bk clone ..."
May 15 10:14:03 <macsat> evening
May 15 10:22:31 <garpinc> Hi guys and girls (if any)... It's been a long time... Since then my dev setup has become currupt... I tried to look for how to and it says instructions are obsolete http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/CompileCrossTool. Where should I look next?
May 15 10:25:40 <macsat> garpinc, www.macsat.com/wlguide
May 15 10:25:50 <macsat> here is a small guide on how to setup cross compile envorinment
May 15 10:27:36 <garpinc> You mean http://www.macsat.com/wlguide/BuildEnvironment.php right?
May 15 10:29:23 <Spooky8577> @garpinc I don't know, if it's what you want, but you should show here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded/HomePage
May 15 10:31:36 <garpinc> I have Gentoo running on colinux...
May 15 10:36:22 <garpinc> Hi bob_tm... Are you still using colinux?
May 15 10:38:57 <McTails> Good morning
May 15 10:39:28 <McTails> garpinc: It's refering that OE builds it own toolchain
May 15 10:39:29 <Spooky8577> @garpinc if you "only" want to compile some unslung packages you should show here: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung
May 15 10:40:34 <ByronT> ~praise Tiersten
May 15 10:40:36 <jbot> All hail Tiersten!
May 15 10:42:01 <bob_tm> garpinc: Not much since I revived my server. What's up?
May 15 10:42:13 * McTails swears. Dropbear is being glitchy
May 15 10:43:03 <garpinc> I'm trying to get back up to speed... So far it looks like I cvs checkout  and everything will just work. I don't have to do any crosstool stuff or anything. Am I right?
May 15 10:43:36 <bob_tm> Yes, well, "cvs update -dP" should just about do it
May 15 10:43:51 <bob_tm> It will compile everything (including CT)
May 15 10:43:53 <garpinc> My how far we've come...
May 15 10:44:08 <bob_tm> Yeah... what's next? Men walking on the moon?
May 15 10:44:15 <garpinc> How large swap do you recommend?
May 15 10:44:18 <ByronT> welllll.....
May 15 10:44:25 <bob_tm> 512MB
May 15 10:44:25 <ByronT> what's next, you ask...
May 15 10:44:34 <bob_tm> Oh dear
May 15 10:44:38 * bob_tm running for cover
May 15 10:45:30 <McTails> O_o;
May 15 10:45:36 <garpinc> And how  much disk space do I need for cross compile tools? I actually just want to upgrade one of the packages I maintain..
May 15 10:45:47 <McTails> garpinc: You need an entire toolchain
May 15 10:45:52 <McTails> Upwind of about 300-500MB
May 15 10:45:59 <McTails> (depending if you keep the source or not)
May 15 10:46:44 <garpinc> Do I have to check out everything or can I just check out the cross tools and the package I want to upgrade?
May 15 10:46:58 <McTails> you need the entire buildroot enviroment for unslung
May 15 10:48:02 <garpinc> What does that mean... Instead of typing "cvs  -d:ext:myaccount@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/nslu co unslung" what should I type?
May 15 10:48:02 <bob_tm> garpinc: The actual package files don't take much space. Just don't make them.
May 15 10:48:36 <garpinc> Ok bob_tm...
May 15 10:49:16 <garpinc> bob_tm do you of the top of your head remember the create user command for gentoo..
May 15 10:49:29 <McTails> garpinc: The slug is lacking the useradd/adduser commands
May 15 10:49:41 <bob_tm> Nope - use webmin now.
May 15 10:50:01 <bob_tm> useradd
May 15 10:50:35 <bob_tm> McTails: It is a package now
May 15 10:50:39 <McTails> Oh
May 15 10:50:49 <McTails> When I was last here, unslung has about 27 packages
May 15 10:51:32 <bob_tm> McTails: jp30 has done great work as pkg maintainer. And lots of stuff started coming in while ago. 
May 15 10:52:14 * McTails nods
May 15 10:52:24 <McTails> My packages were inetutils and another one
May 15 10:52:29 <McTails> I gave up manitership
May 15 10:52:36 <bob_tm> Ah... before my time then
May 15 10:52:38 <McTails> Mostly cause I didn't have time
May 15 10:52:47 <McTails> And also - I don't have a Linux version
May 15 10:53:00 <bob_tm> The templates are nice now - pretty easy to get things compiled
May 15 10:53:06 <garpinc> bobtm and to add packages with gentoo?
May 15 10:53:13 <bob_tm> emerge
May 15 10:53:19 <garpinc> I was using debian b4...
May 15 10:53:22 <garpinc> THanks...
May 15 10:54:29 <bob_tm> garpinc: If I can count, you will need about 1.2GB of disk space.
May 15 10:55:01 <bob_tm> unslung/toolchain on my system is ~950GB
May 15 10:55:50 <bob_tm> .... :-) ~950MB
May 15 10:55:54 <garpinc> I've got 2Gig so I'm ok.... When I type emerge cvs it says... ARCH is not specified... Any ideas about that?
May 15 10:55:55 <McTails> Don't scar eme like that
May 15 10:56:07 <McTails> I'm about to build a toolchain (on my mac) so I can distcc w/ the slug
May 15 10:57:03 <bob_tm> Oh, it should be in make.conf... but it should be set already
May 15 10:58:46 <garpinc> It's not there...
May 15 10:59:46 <bob_tm>  - /etc/make.conf - which Gentoo 2005.1?
May 15 11:00:40 <garpinc> uname -a says... 2.6.10-co-0.6.2
May 15 11:02:16 <bob_tm> Oh, I mean Gentoo - not kernel or CoLinux version
May 15 11:03:10 <garpinc> How can I tell?
May 15 11:03:46 <garpinc> On the file system I downloaded it said 2004.1
May 15 11:03:50 <bob_tm> A sec.
May 15 11:04:09 <garpinc> sorry 2004.3
May 15 11:04:36 <bob_tm> Ah, so maybe /etc/make.rules or something. Try grepping for ARCH in /etc
May 15 11:06:17 <garpinc> nothing...
May 15 11:08:47 <bob_tm> Do you have any /etc/make.*
May 15 11:11:18 <garpinc> Yes... make.conf make.conf.example make.globals make.profile (sym link to /usr/profiles/default-linux/x86/2004.3)
May 15 11:11:54 <garpinc> s/profiles/portage\/profiles/
May 15 11:12:32 <garpinc> And FYI there is no /usr/portage directory
May 15 11:14:38 <bob_tm> You should emerge portage
May 15 11:15:00 <bob_tm> Make.conf needs tuning. Edit it with the example as backdrop
May 15 11:15:10 <garpinc> says the same thing...
May 15 11:16:34 <bob_tm> check out man make.conf
May 15 11:16:46 <bob_tm> You have to fix make.conf before emerging anything
May 15 11:52:01 <McTails> hi (again)
May 15 13:40:52 <MooZ> hy!
May 15 15:39:49 <rwhitby-asleep> p3pilot: wizd is working for me too on the MC500
May 15 15:42:35 <p3pilot> rwhitby-asleep, great....I been playing different movies all day with no problems.  I was hoping that he hadn't modified something in it specfic to the IO-Data player
May 15 15:42:55 <ByronT> morning, rwhitby-asleep
May 15 15:44:16 <p3pilot> rwhitby-asleep, I also went back and looked at all your changes, so even more learning.
May 15 15:44:38 <p3pilot> rwhitby-asleep, what is the MC500?
May 15 15:47:27 <rwhitby-asleep> Neuston Virtuoso MC-500
May 15 15:54:40 <p3pilot> looking at it now.  Do they sell in the USA?  I looked into these media players and never ran across it.
May 15 15:54:59 <p3pilot> I friend of mine really wants one with the digital output.
May 15 16:01:43 <rwhitby-asleep> ask dyoung :-)
May 15 16:03:35 <p3pilot> will next time i see him. :)
May 15 16:33:10 <rwhitby-asleep> p3pilot: http://www.actiontec.com/products/entertainment/wdmp/index.php
May 15 16:34:35 <rwhitby-asleep> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001H2APA/qid=1116200044/sr=8-14/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i7_xgl23/102-8134698-8880937?v=glance&s=electronics&n=507846
May 15 16:35:05 <rwhitby-asleep> it and the Neuston are clones of each other
May 15 16:35:48 <p3pilot> thanks...I will look
May 15 16:36:25 <rwhitby-asleep> be aware that the wireless is only 11b, so you want it wired for streaming DVD quality video
May 15 17:00:11 <p3pilot> that or just use an 11G access point as a bridge like I am doing with the IO Data. 
May 15 17:08:41 <rwhitby-asleep> p3pilot: yep, that'll work too :-)
May 15 17:08:51 * rwhitby yawns
May 15 17:19:02 * NAiL too
May 15 17:19:05 <NAiL> </aol>
May 15 17:19:24 <NAiL> But now it's bedtime for me ;)
May 15 19:13:31 <McTails> welcome back [g2] 
May 15 19:13:38 * McTails is trying to compile MySQL on the slug
May 15 20:27:24 <BioK> hi
May 15 20:44:18 <ByronT> ~praise nslu2-linux development team
May 15 20:44:20 <jbot> All hail nslu2-linux development team!
May 15 20:44:37 <ByronT> IRC Channel Special Announcement
May 15 20:45:12 <ByronT> OpenSlug 1.12 beta firmware binary is available for download at http://www.openslug.org
May 15 20:45:25 <BioK> hi ByronT
May 15 20:45:46 <ByronT> Unslung 4.20 beta firmware binary is available for download at http://www.unslung.org
May 15 20:46:08 <BioK> what is the difference between unslug and openslug ? :)
May 15 20:47:23 <ByronT> search the wiki at www.nslu2-linux.org answers are there
May 15 20:47:37 <BioK> keyword difference ?
May 15 20:47:45 <ByronT> but for the new nslu2 user, try out unslung first
May 15 20:49:02 <BioK> ok
May 15 20:49:35 <ByronT> beewoolie-afk, you just missed the announcement
May 15 20:49:47 <beewoolie-afk> Which was that?
May 15 20:49:52 <ByronT> OpenSlug 1.12 beta firmware binary is available for download at http://www.openslug.org
May 15 20:50:02 <ByronT> Unslung 4.20 beta firmware binary is available for download at http://www.unslung.org
May 15 20:50:04 <beewoolie-afk> Nice.
May 15 20:50:13 <ByronT> irc users get a head start on the downloads
May 15 20:50:55 <[g2]> yeah.. the irc users built from source :)
May 15 20:51:16 <ByronT> heh
May 15 21:02:00 <BioK> ByronT i dont find it on the wiki :/
May 15 21:05:48 <ByronT> if you read the front page, it gives some information
May 15 21:06:13 <ByronT> and of course you can follow the links off of the front page for further information
May 15 21:06:49 <BioK> ok thanks
May 15 21:07:23 <BioK> is there a place were we can get older linksys firmware ? :)
May 15 21:07:39 <ByronT> from linksys?
May 15 21:08:00 <BioK> i just see the uptodate one
May 15 21:11:02 <ByronT> if you use their public ftp server, the older ones are still available for download
May 15 21:11:45 <BioK> ok danek
May 15 21:11:47 <BioK> danke
May 15 21:18:27 <beewoolie-afk> ByronT: Nice work.  IIRC, OpenSlug is the one that comes with the new features, right?
May 15 21:18:55 <ByronT> OpenSlug is the "clean slate" version
May 15 21:19:50 <ByronT> it makes the nslu2 a generic network appliance...
May 15 21:48:43 <CIA-1> 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/erlang.mk: got erlang R10B5 native package working, including SAE (standalone erlang)
May 15 21:49:37 <beewoolie-afk> ByronT: thx.  I download it.
May 15 21:51:04 <ByronT> :)
May 15 22:04:44 <BioK> humm does it me or the linksys online support doenst be helpful ??
May 15 22:05:17 <BioK> seem they can't help me they wanna rma my nslu2
May 15 22:31:28 <beewoolie-afk> ByronT: You still on?
May 15 22:31:42 <ByronT> just barely
May 15 22:32:17 <beewoolie-afk> Simple Q.  I want to use APEX with openslug.  In my mind, that means building from OE.  Is everything in the OE repo or do I need a secondary repo?
May 15 22:32:51 <ka6sox> OE
May 15 22:33:03 <beewoolie-afk> K.  I'll update and rebuild
May 15 22:33:04 <ByronT> what ka6sox said
May 15 22:33:26 <ka6sox> you can get a binary that (should) work with APEX if you don't want to build.
May 15 22:33:48 <ka6sox> www.openslug.org
May 15 22:34:00 <beewoolie-afk> It means I need to pull it appart, no?  Since it will write redboot with the rest.
May 15 22:34:16 <beewoolie-afk> I really just want to the rootfs, I believe.
May 15 22:34:46 <ka6sox> hmmm...we didn't put out the rootfs although it is built.
May 15 22:35:26 <beewoolie-afk> Is the build target still openslug-image?
May 15 22:35:33 <ka6sox> yes
May 15 22:35:53 <ka6sox> that builds the full image.
May 15 22:36:02 <ka6sox> let me look at the other targets.
May 15 22:36:04 <beewoolie-afk> I can work with that.
May 15 22:36:30 <ka6sox> k
May 15 22:37:09 <beewoolie-afk> BTW, I'm taking an informal poll.
May 15 22:37:43 <beewoolie-afk> How important is a USB console in the bootloader?  Is it higher priority than being able to read the kernel from a jffs2 partition in flash?
May 15 22:37:52 <ByronT> how can I skew the results?
May 15 22:37:59 <beewoolie-afk> What do you mean?
May 15 22:38:08 <beewoolie-afk> I'm just getting people's opinions.
May 15 22:38:17 <beewoolie-afk> You can be as emphatic as you like.
May 15 22:38:28 <ByronT> <- wouldn't be able to give an informed opinion...
May 15 22:38:31 <dyoung-zzzz> jffs2 reading from Apex.
May 15 22:38:42 <beewoolie-afk> dyoung-zzzz: thx.
May 15 22:38:45 * McTails is back
May 15 22:38:45 <ka6sox> dyoung-zzzz: is THE man
May 15 22:38:56 <beewoolie-afk> Aw yeah.
May 15 22:39:27 <dyoung-zzzz> Although I fully understand [g2]'s opinion on that, I feel the flexibility afforded by Apex Reading JFFS2 is greater than USB Console.
May 15 22:39:30 <beewoolie-afk> Just to make sure, we're not using the slug-oe repository any more?
May 15 22:40:47 <dyoung-zzzz> bk://nslu2-linux.bkbits.net
May 15 22:40:52 <beewoolie-afk> dyoung-zzzz: to be honest, it may be a non-starter.  The USB stuff looks to be kinda complex.
May 15 22:41:04 <beewoolie-afk> dyoung-zzzz: Ah.  That's not the standard OE repo.  That's what I was asking about.
May 15 22:41:40 <dyoung-zzzz> beewoolie-afk, Or if you prefer, you can get the 1.12 release source snapshot files from svn.
May 15 22:41:54 <beewoolie-afk> I considered that.
May 15 22:42:21 <beewoolie-afk> I've already got the BK files, so I'll build from there the first time and then look to SVN.  Is SVN going to be the official master from now on?
May 15 22:42:25 <dyoung-zzzz> they however are not going to be updated; until tne next snapshot/release.
May 15 22:42:53 <ka6sox> svn is only for release snapshots.
May 15 22:42:54 <dyoung-zzzz> i'm not sure.  I think svn is going to contain the official "snapshot's" for the binary releases.
May 15 22:43:12 <ka6sox> dev will still be in BK and whatever replaces it.
May 15 22:43:18 <beewoolie-afk> K.
May 15 22:43:49 <ByronT> yeah, svn is only for the binary releases (or what ka6sox said.....)
May 15 22:49:38 <beewoolie-afk> Hmm. evas_x11-fb generates an error from the bb parser.
May 15 22:49:47 <beewoolie-afk> I don't think it will stop the build.
May 15 22:55:40 <beewoolie-afk> nite all.
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