**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 23 23:59:56 2005
May 24 00:28:41 <MooZ> hi
May 24 02:17:11 <rwhitby-away> anything interesting happen in the last 18 hours?
May 24 02:24:37 <MooZ> hum... i put a usb flash disk with 2 ext3 partitions and i got log messages complaining about inexistant vfat partition. i think i need to read some doc :) apart from that... nothing
May 24 02:47:01 <dyoung-zzzz> jbowler significantly improved Openslug-Veggie.
May 24 02:47:47 <dyoung-zzzz> turnup has arguments now.
May 24 02:47:54 <dyoung-zzzz> and the LED do something kinda smart.
May 24 06:35:15 <kitno455> re
May 24 06:38:50 <dyoung-zzzz> morning kitno455 
May 24 06:39:30 <kitno455> trying to build openslug for first time
May 24 06:39:41 <kitno455> where do i put the flex bz2?
May 24 06:39:41 <dyoung-zzzz> hows it going?
May 24 06:39:57 <kitno455> dont understand dir structure of oe/bb
May 24 06:40:08 <dyoung-zzzz> do you mean the source for flex?
May 24 06:40:10 <kitno455> yes
May 24 06:40:15 <kitno455> it craps out
May 24 06:40:20 <kitno455> i found it google
May 24 06:40:26 <dyoung-zzzz> in whereever your download directory is set to.
May 24 06:40:30 <kitno455> do i put in sources?
May 24 06:40:39 <kitno455> what defines download dir?
May 24 06:40:55 <kitno455> env var?
May 24 06:40:57 <dyoung-zzzz> are you building from a bk pull, or from the svn snapshot?
May 24 06:41:17 <kitno455> i used bk to get openemb. and svn to get bb
May 24 06:41:32 <kitno455> which should i use?
May 24 06:41:41 <dyoung-zzzz> Either way, its DL_DIR sete via env var, and that is usually set in your local.conf
May 24 06:41:55 <dyoung-zzzz> bk is up to the minute, the svn snapshot is now around a week old.
May 24 06:42:17 <kitno455> dont like the bk license much, but i can work with it
May 24 06:42:28 <dyoung-zzzz> at this point, its temporary.
May 24 06:42:35 <kitno455> yeah, no kidding
May 24 06:43:23 <kitno455> ok, my DL_ROOT is ${OEROOT}/sources
May 24 06:43:35 <kitno455> where do the .md5 files comefrom?
May 24 06:43:36 <dyoung-zzzz> DL_DIR ?
May 24 06:43:45 <kitno455> yeah, your right
May 24 06:43:49 <kitno455> you're
May 24 06:43:58 <dyoung-zzzz> Yeah, ok so you you can stuff it  in there.
May 24 06:44:02 <dyoung-zzzz> the md5sum comes from bitbake
May 24 06:44:33 <kitno455> made by bitbake and compared to what?
May 24 06:44:36 <dyoung-zzzz> but you can ignore it, or md5sum flex.foo > flex.foo.md5
May 24 06:45:00 <dyoung-zzzz> I think some things have it in their respective bitbake file(s), but I dunno.
May 24 06:45:02 <dyoung-zzzz> for sure.
May 24 06:45:39 <kitno455> ok, Handling BitBake files: (again)
May 24 06:45:51 <dyoung-zzzz> All that I do know for sure right now is I'm about to pass out. :-)
May 24 06:45:55 <dyoung-zzzz> good luck!
May 24 06:46:00 <kitno455> adios
May 24 06:46:35 <dyoung-zzzz> I think the SlugSlayer is lurking, he should be able to give you a hand if you run into additional issues.
May 24 06:46:35 <kitno455> going to try to get libusb working, heard there were some endianness issues
May 24 06:46:53 <kitno455> right. thanks
May 24 06:47:17 <dyoung-zzzz> peteru took a crack at it, but he gave up.
May 24 06:47:26 <dyoung-zzzz> someone else claims it works.
May 24 06:47:34 <dyoung-zzzz> so the status for libusb right now is "unknown".
May 24 06:47:44 <kitno455> i tried it months ago on snapgear on the slug
May 24 06:47:53 <kitno455> lots of weirdness
May 24 06:48:07 <dyoung-zzzz> You know about the wiki right?
May 24 06:48:23 <kitno455> i know where is it is. more specific?
May 24 06:48:40 <dyoung-zzzz> No, I was wondering if you knew of its existence.
May 24 06:48:49 <dyoung-zzzz> Its been so long, I dont remember who knows what anymore. :-)
May 24 06:48:52 <kitno455> yes, that is where i got openslud directions
May 24 06:49:03 <kitno455> if you mean nslu2-linux.org
May 24 06:49:09 <dyoung-zzzz> yeah, that wiki.
May 24 06:49:11 <kitno455> slud, huh huh
May 24 06:49:48 <dyoung-zzzz> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Libusb is what I was thinking of....
May 24 06:50:02 <kitno455> had not seen that. looking now
May 24 06:50:05 <dyoung-zzzz> the patch was submitted by the camera guy.
May 24 06:50:33 <kitno455> ok, actually, i have that in an email from the camera guy to try it myself
May 24 06:50:36 <dyoung-zzzz> but I dunno what it does...
May 24 06:50:46 <kitno455> just started looking at it myself
May 24 06:51:02 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay have fun!
May 24 06:51:06 <kitno455> why does Handling BitBake files take so long......
May 24 06:51:07 * dyoung-zzzz zzzz's
May 24 06:51:45 <dyoung-zzzz> The first time you run it it takes a while beacause its parsing all of the bb files in the tree.
May 24 06:52:00 <dyoung-zzzz> once you have a tmp/cache, it should be a little better.
May 24 06:52:12 <kitno455> go to bed, my questions are not important....
May 24 06:53:11 <dyoung-zzzz> ok done. :-)
May 24 06:53:36 <kitno455> my wife wont let me type in bed :)
May 24 06:53:44 <kitno455> you're lucky :)
May 24 06:58:11 <dyoung-zzzz> actually, before I do that... We're recruiting talented hardware folk (such as yourself) in #openjtag... some of the usual suspects are there.
May 24 06:59:05 <dyoung-zzzz> (my wife right now is vaporware, so I dont have that particular issue.) :-)
May 24 06:59:08 <[g2]> kitno455, I've also got a Custom Knoppix that can build OpenSlug and Unslung
May 24 06:59:26 <kitno455> dude, i weld racecar frames and hang sheetrock, i dont know squat about jtag
May 24 06:59:59 <[g2]> I love it!
May 24 07:00:17 <dyoung-zzzz> Well, you know enough to heatgun the crap out of a nslu2, thats good enough for us. :-)
May 24 07:00:28 <kitno455> you should see the board now.
May 24 07:00:34 <kitno455> i warped it :)
May 24 07:00:54 <dyoung-zzzz> But not too much as not to be able to trace the traces.
May 24 07:00:56 <dyoung-zzzz> heh
May 24 07:01:04 <kitno455> i did get the device side usb port working
May 24 07:01:12 <dyoung-zzzz> Really?  you weld racecar frames?
May 24 07:01:13 <kitno455> so i guess i can build a voltage divider :)
May 24 07:01:15 <kitno455> yeap
May 24 07:01:21 <dyoung-zzzz> That ROCKS.
May 24 07:01:25 <kitno455> i do everything
May 24 07:01:27 <dyoung-zzzz> we need to talk about that later.
May 24 07:01:42 <kitno455> what did heinlein say- specialization is for insects
May 24 07:02:07 <[g2]> it's all relative :)
May 24 07:02:13 <dyoung-zzzz> I'm low on the TIG learning curve.  And I got this truck frame.....
May 24 07:02:28 <dyoung-zzzz> but thats for another time.
May 24 07:02:35 <kitno455> hahahah
May 24 07:02:37 <dyoung-zzzz> cuz I'm really tired.
May 24 07:02:39 <kitno455> email me
May 24 07:03:00 <kitno455> anoah at pfeiffer dot edu
May 24 07:03:42 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay will do!
May 24 07:04:10 <kitno455> hmm, truck frame....
May 24 07:04:45 <dyoung-zzzz> Vintage 1970something Toyota FJ55 landcruiser.
May 24 07:04:51 <kitno455> excellent!
May 24 07:04:58 <kitno455> love those
May 24 07:05:01 <dyoung-zzzz> The previous owner hacked a V8 into it, but it broke.
May 24 07:05:18 <kitno455> should have upgraded to 300cid ford inline 6
May 24 07:05:20 <dyoung-zzzz> it was a 327 with multiple thrown rods and spun bearings.
May 24 07:05:21 <kitno455> fits fine
May 24 07:05:33 <kitno455> small block ford would have fit
May 24 07:05:44 <kitno455> damn chevy lovers :)
May 24 07:05:53 <dyoung-zzzz> But as luck would have it, theres a extra 2F in the garage.....
May 24 07:05:59 <kitno455> right
May 24 07:06:04 <kitno455> more than luck i bet :)
May 24 07:06:33 <dyoung-zzzz> :-)
May 24 07:06:43 <kitno455> you should see my pile
May 24 07:07:10 <kitno455> i got transfer cases, and transmissions, and engines, and cars
May 24 07:07:10 <dyoung-zzzz> The project stalled when we got a FX16 for free and we started doing SCCA.
May 24 07:07:30 <kitno455> scca or nasa is the goal of my current project
May 24 07:07:49 <kitno455> AWD mid engine studebaker :)
May 24 07:07:50 <dyoung-zzzz> now theres just a pile of 4A-GE type parts everywhere.
May 24 07:07:56 <dyoung-zzzz> Whoa...
May 24 07:08:03 <dyoung-zzzz> you ARE the man. 
May 24 07:08:04 <kitno455> big block caddy power
May 24 07:08:13 <kitno455> 500 cubes man!
May 24 07:08:24 <kitno455> its nuts
May 24 07:08:45 <kitno455> actually, my initials are MAN, so yes, i am the man
May 24 07:08:53 <dyoung-zzzz> hahahahaha
May 24 07:09:12 <dyoung-zzzz> thats funny. there seem to be several folks who are literally the "man"
May 24 07:09:20 <dyoung-zzzz> Tiersten is literally Man.
May 24 07:09:46 <kitno455> lots of dads with a sense of humor i guess
May 24 07:10:06 <kitno455> having a boy soon myself, so i am trying to pick cool initals too
May 24 07:10:13 <kitno455> ion sounds cool
May 24 07:10:43 <kitno455> hmm, fixchicken.patch....
May 24 07:10:53 <dyoung-zzzz> bok bok bok.
May 24 07:10:59 * dyoung-zzzz passes out.
May 24 07:11:04 <kitno455> dude, sleep
May 24 07:12:09 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay, I'll bug you later about car stuffs. 
May 24 07:12:16 <kitno455> right.
May 24 07:12:55 <dyoung-zzzz> BTW, I think Tiersten was hoping you could take some high(er) res pictures of the bare board sometime.
May 24 07:13:09 <dyoung-zzzz> Tiersten and others (like myself)...
May 24 07:13:15 <kitno455> dude, those were huge already
May 24 07:13:28 <dyoung-zzzz> Oh?
May 24 07:13:40 * dyoung-zzzz hides.
May 24 07:13:42 <kitno455> i mean, they are like 2000 by 1200 or something
May 24 07:14:00 <kitno455> i think
May 24 07:14:10 <kitno455> where the hell are they.....
May 24 07:14:10 <dyoung-zzzz> Okay, I better let someone else field that request then.
May 24 07:14:21 <kitno455> let me see....
May 24 07:14:28 <[g2]> kitno455, are you building ok now ?
May 24 07:14:37 <dyoung-zzzz> I only mention it now because I recall it being brought up in channel within the last 2 weeks
May 24 07:14:52 <kitno455> dyoung-zzzz, have someone email me
May 24 07:15:06 <dyoung-zzzz> okay will do.
May 24 07:15:07 <[g2]> kitno455 did you get my e-mail about those extra traces ?
May 24 07:15:12 <kitno455> [g2], sitting at gettext-native-0.14.1-r3: task do_configure: started for like 10 mins
May 24 07:15:16 * dyoung-zzzz collapses.
May 24 07:15:41 <kitno455> [g2], just checking that account now
May 24 07:15:48 <kitno455> i have too many
May 24 07:16:35 <kitno455> [g2], as i recall the second set of chip select lines was there to go to 64 megs
May 24 07:17:09 <dyoung-zzzz> stacking seems to be a challenge.
May 24 07:17:10 <[g2]> 64 MB per chip ?
May 24 07:17:20 <kitno455> i tried to stack
May 24 07:17:23 <kitno455> damn hard
May 24 07:17:49 <kitno455> you can do it, but you almost have to add a little leader to each pin, or bridge gap with solder
May 24 07:18:05 <kitno455> then when you wick, you might pull it out. arg
May 24 07:18:28 <[g2]> kitno455, I'm having a professional re-work shop do the mods
May 24 07:18:38 <[g2]> They can even pull and replace BGAs
May 24 07:19:16 <[g2]> I just need to figure you if the extra chip select and/or address lines are there
May 24 07:19:26 <[g2]> and which memory configuation we should use
May 24 07:19:38 <kitno455> youri know the CS lines are there
May 24 07:20:07 <dyoung-zzzz> the extra CS is there.
May 24 07:20:36 <[g2]> Ok... so that leaves part configuration
May 24 07:20:55 <[g2]> So will it just look two banks ?
May 24 07:21:13 <kitno455> i think the bank select is not connected
May 24 07:21:17 <kitno455> dont rememver
May 24 07:21:23 <kitno455> just 64 megs max?
May 24 07:21:23 <[g2]> 32x16+32x16 on CS0 and the same on CS1 ?
May 24 07:21:39 <dyoung-zzzz> you need to jumper it to the cs which is on a resistor back
May 24 07:21:40 <dyoung-zzzz> pack
May 24 07:22:09 <kitno455> been weeks since i looked at the board, and i dont have it here
May 24 07:22:23 <kitno455> i dont mess with sdram enough to know the config of the lines
May 24 07:22:46 <dyoung-zzzz> okay I'm really gonna fall down now, so see y'all later.
May 24 07:22:51 <[g2]> thx guys... I'm gonna want to straighten this out 
May 24 07:23:00 <[g2]> nite dyoung-zzzz 
May 24 07:23:21 <kitno455> i have kungfu class tonight, but i can look at board and sdram specs tomorrow night
May 24 07:23:43 <kitno455> adios
May 24 07:23:46 <[g2]> kitno455, the MASTER
May 24 07:23:54 <kitno455> i am but an egg
May 24 07:24:00 <dyoung-zzzz> seifu kitno
May 24 07:24:05 <kitno455> non, no
May 24 07:24:18 <kitno455> seidi kitno
May 24 07:24:22 <dyoung-zzzz> :-)
May 24 07:24:53 <dyoung-zzzz> I was at the temple of shaolin around 6 weeks ago.
May 24 07:24:57 <dyoung-zzzz> that rocked.
May 24 07:24:59 <kitno455> cool
May 24 07:25:11 <kitno455> never been over the pacific myself
May 24 07:25:14 <kitno455> one day
May 24 07:25:22 <dyoung-zzzz> yah, you should.
May 24 07:25:36 <dyoung-zzzz> Its quite a spritual visit.
May 24 07:25:57 <kitno455> go to bed dude!
May 24 07:26:01 <dyoung-zzzz> oh yeah.
May 24 07:26:03 <dyoung-zzzz> :-)
May 24 07:26:04 <dyoung-zzzz> nght
May 24 07:26:06 <kitno455> hahahah
May 24 07:26:15 <kitno455> sleep is for the weak
May 24 07:26:29 <kitno455> ooo downloading binutils now
May 24 07:26:33 <kitno455> big one
May 24 07:26:42 <dyoung-zzzz> what was my catchphrase....
May 24 07:26:54 <dyoung-zzzz> "convergent evolution"
May 24 07:26:56 <dyoung-zzzz> :-)
May 24 07:27:14 <kitno455> dont follow
May 24 07:31:45 <ka6sox-away> morning
May 24 07:31:50 <kitno455> re
May 24 07:31:57 <ka6sox-away> howdy
May 24 07:32:22 <kitno455> this irc thing is insane
May 24 07:32:23 <ka6sox-away> dyoung-zzzz : go fall down.
May 24 07:32:36 <ka6sox-away> kitno455, why?
May 24 07:32:52 <kitno455> its like 'the sun never sets on the slug empire'
May 24 07:33:13 <ka6sox-away> ~slugtime
May 24 07:33:14 <jbot> well, slugtime is 40 hour days 10 hours in 4 timezones with overlap
May 24 07:33:51 <kitno455> and these bot things too
May 24 07:34:07 <kitno455> i have too much real life to learn about all this stuff
May 24 07:34:40 <ka6sox-away> 844 Unslung downloads and 137 Openslug downloads
May 24 07:34:50 <kitno455> i am one of the 137
May 24 07:35:18 <kitno455> currently doing my first openslug build
May 24 07:35:32 <ka6sox-away> cool...we were expecting 20:1 downloads of Unslung...seems like there is a pent up demand for Openslug.
May 24 07:35:58 <kitno455> i want a real linux box, not the linksys crap
May 24 07:36:12 <[g2]> what do you want to do with it ?
May 24 07:36:12 <kitno455> 2.6 is where its at devel wise
May 24 07:36:19 <kitno455> hehehehe, you had to ask
May 24 07:36:26 <[g2]> OpenSlug is 2.6.11 :)
May 24 07:36:31 <kitno455> i need 100 or so slugs
May 24 07:36:37 <kitno455> :)
May 24 07:36:46 <ka6sox-away> SlugARmy!
May 24 07:36:50 <kitno455> right
May 24 07:36:56 <[g2]> I'll be making HW
May 24 07:37:04 <[g2]> I've got OEM board already running
May 24 07:37:10 <[g2]> I could order 100 for you
May 24 07:37:24 <kitno455> [g2], you keep bringing this up, what advantages will you have over slug?
May 24 07:37:40 <[g2]> many.
May 24 07:37:50 <[g2]> 1st additional memory
May 24 07:37:56 <[g2]> 64-128 configs
May 24 07:38:20 <[g2]> 2) Different processors 422 and 425 which run at 533Hmz
May 24 07:38:33 <[g2]> 3) expandability
May 24 07:38:44 <kitno455> hmm, a 533 henry processor....
May 24 07:38:55 <kitno455> minipci slot?
May 24 07:38:59 <[g2]> Imagine having 2 normal 3.3V PCI slots where you can plug in any 3.3 PCI card
May 24 07:39:14 <[g2]> The OEM already sell MiniPCI
May 24 07:39:16 <kitno455> right- know a guy who needs exactly that for *
May 24 07:39:49 <kitno455> you gonna include case and powersupply
May 24 07:40:00 <[g2]> sure
May 24 07:40:07 <kitno455> est cost?
May 24 07:40:20 <[g2]> very cheap
May 24 07:40:38 <kitno455> can you beat a miniitx system?
May 24 07:40:46 <[g2]> :)
May 24 07:40:59 <[g2]> I see mini-itx as the Ceiling
May 24 07:41:21 <kitno455> right, thinking of bing compatible with miniitx or nano itx formfactors?
May 24 07:41:28 <kitno455> (if you can)
May 24 07:41:35 <[g2]> I'm looking at total box cost in the $200-$350/399 range
May 24 07:42:07 <[g2]> Actually it'll probably be a 1U factor
May 24 07:42:13 <kitno455> currently, i use used ibm thinkpads with 128 megs, a 6 gig disk, and a 300mhz intel cpu for that much money
May 24 07:42:53 <kitno455> they have screen, keyboard, a built in 10 second ups, and 2 pcmcia slots
May 24 07:43:34 <[g2]> and how much Watts do they use ?
May 24 07:43:39 <kitno455> dont care
May 24 07:43:42 <kitno455> not my power
May 24 07:43:47 <kitno455> customers power :)
May 24 07:43:56 <[g2]> well people building rack care
May 24 07:44:04 <kitno455> but, they do have moving parts, that is my problem
May 24 07:44:14 <[g2]> That's the other issue :)
May 24 07:44:32 <kitno455> i lose a harddrive or cpu fan every couple months
May 24 07:44:43 <[g2]> exactly
May 24 07:44:48 <kitno455> and so i look at the slug
May 24 07:45:13 <kitno455> my app is simple:
May 24 07:45:14 <[g2]> You can get the OEM boards with 128MB and minipci now
May 24 07:45:28 <ka6sox-away> I have been using MiniITX for 2 years now..they are nice but still somewhat troublesome.
May 24 07:45:30 <kitno455> but you have to find PS and case
May 24 07:45:43 <kitno455> i have a couple miniitx machines
May 24 07:45:47 <kitno455> i like them ok
May 24 07:46:02 <[g2]> racing app ?
May 24 07:46:07 <kitno455> no
May 24 07:46:59 <kitno455> though i do have a 486 board that runs a cheesy ignition timing controller that i made
May 24 07:47:17 <kitno455> i have played some with megasquirt, seen that?
May 24 07:47:28 <[g2]> I think I read about it
May 24 07:47:46 <kitno455> build it yourself batch fire fuel injuection system
May 24 07:47:48 <jacques> open source fuel injection/ignition timing control ?
May 24 07:47:52 <[g2]> there are like a million applications for little computer like these
May 24 07:48:08 <kitno455> yeah
May 24 07:48:24 <kitno455> the slug does not really have enough io capability
May 24 07:48:43 <kitno455> but your idea of full size pci sounds good
May 24 07:48:43 <[g2]> a simple FPGA on the PCI bus solves that
May 24 07:48:59 <kitno455> you have to GET to the pci buss first
May 24 07:49:17 <kitno455> tear off usb controller?
May 24 07:49:29 <[g2]> it's cheaper to build custom boards
May 24 07:49:47 <kitno455> or use the oem board with a mini to full pici adapter
May 24 07:49:58 <kitno455> pci
May 24 07:50:06 <[g2]> too expensive
May 24 07:50:22 <[g2]> the adapters cost as much as the slug
May 24 07:50:43 <VoodooZ_Work> I was just looking at the nanoITX this morning. They are still not available??
May 24 07:50:52 <[g2]> but it does work well for testing :)
May 24 07:50:53 <kitno455> not lat time i checked
May 24 07:51:10 <kitno455> nano itx seems to be a marketting ploy
May 24 07:51:21 <[g2]> price points on all that stuff will be > $400 more like 600
May 24 07:51:33 <VoodooZ_Work> well, for robotics, size is key.
May 24 07:51:40 <VoodooZ_Work> Then again, power is too!
May 24 07:51:44 <kitno455> [g2], i guess i just assumed that custom devel would be more expensive
May 24 07:52:05 <kitno455> VoodooZ_Work, how is your robot competiion coming (or did it happen already)
May 24 07:52:06 <[g2]> more expensive that what ?
May 24 07:52:13 <kitno455> than you are saying
May 24 07:52:22 <kitno455> or than oem board
May 24 07:52:52 <[g2]> well essentially I'll be competing with the OEM boards eventually
May 24 07:52:59 <[g2]> then it's just a question of volume
May 24 07:53:13 <[g2]> Overhead, I win hands down
May 24 07:53:29 <kitno455> no hr department in g2 land :)
May 24 07:53:39 <[g2]> nope.
May 24 07:53:55 <[g2]> It's me in my loft
May 24 07:54:01 <VoodooZ_Work> kitno455: because the slug fun I ran out of time for actual robot work so next April...
May 24 07:54:04 <[g2]> I'm hoping to move to the garage soon :)
May 24 07:54:24 <kitno455> VoodooZ_Work, i keep running into pages that link to yours
May 24 07:54:25 <VoodooZ_Work> But on the other hand, it permitted me to start playing with computer vision which is definitely useful.
May 24 07:54:30 <VoodooZ_Work> really?
May 24 07:54:33 <kitno455> yeah
May 24 07:54:44 <VoodooZ_Work> wow! I'm more popular than I thought! :)
May 24 07:54:45 <kitno455> i guess i am turning in circles around your work
May 24 07:54:59 <kitno455> 'spiralling downward' :)
May 24 07:55:04 <VoodooZ_Work> Well, "work" is a big word! :)
May 24 07:55:31 <kitno455> wow, libc is huge
May 24 07:55:36 <VoodooZ_Work> I haven't really produced anything decently complete since '03 when I was unemployed. (lots of time)
May 24 07:55:46 <kitno455> yeah, me too
May 24 07:56:00 <kitno455> i did a good bit of opensource devel the last time i had no work
May 24 07:56:09 <kitno455> but now, real work
May 24 07:56:14 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah. 
May 24 07:56:32 <kitno455> i am trying to make it so that real work requires me to work on slug :)
May 24 07:56:43 <VoodooZ_Work> hehehe. that would be sweet.
May 24 07:57:15 <VoodooZ_Work> I also hope to lose my boring IT job soon and perhaps work in robotics or something cool.
May 24 07:57:15 <kitno455> timing is everything though
May 24 07:57:32 <VoodooZ_Work> I don't have the schooling for research though so my chances are slim.
May 24 07:57:37 <VoodooZ_Work> yep
May 24 07:57:37 <kitno455> yeah
May 24 07:57:49 <kitno455> i dont have a degree in anything :)
May 24 07:57:56 <VoodooZ_Work> I'm just a technologist with too much time on his hands!
May 24 07:58:11 <kitno455> but we are the new elite
May 24 07:58:15 <VoodooZ_Work> But motivation and passion does make a difference.
May 24 07:58:31 <VoodooZ_Work> l8!
May 24 07:58:33 <kitno455> those who can adapt to changing technology
May 24 07:58:49 <VoodooZ_Work> It's damn hard at the pace it's going though
May 24 07:59:14 <[g2]> I've gotta run out... bbiab
May 24 07:59:52 <VoodooZ_Work> later [g2]
May 24 09:35:13 <MooZ> bye
May 24 10:09:43 <kitno455> anyone have a copy of Helmut Dersch patch for libusb?
May 24 11:21:53 <kitno455> [g2], where does bb put the output when it is done?
May 24 11:22:04 <[g2]> tmp/deploy/images
May 24 11:22:15 <[g2]> kitno455, your build completed ?
May 24 11:22:22 <kitno455> i cant tell
May 24 11:22:31 <[g2]> bb finished ?
May 24 11:22:34 <kitno455> NOTE: build 200505241359: completed
May 24 11:22:39 <kitno455> sounds like ti
May 24 11:22:40 <kitno455> it
May 24 11:22:41 <[g2]> :)
May 24 11:22:49 <kitno455> but there is no tmp/deploy/images
May 24 11:22:51 <[g2]> joy joy happy dance
May 24 11:23:09 <[g2]> there's a tmp directory right ?
May 24 11:23:19 <kitno455> there is a tmp/deploy/ipk, but its empty
May 24 11:23:36 <kitno455> ahhhh nevermind
May 24 11:23:46 <kitno455> i was looking in build/tmp/deploy
May 24 11:24:04 <kitno455> ok, there are three files, which is which?
May 24 11:24:35 <[g2]> the 8MB file that says opensl....flashdisk.img right ?
May 24 11:24:59 <kitno455> yes
May 24 11:25:08 <[g2]> that's a flashable image
May 24 11:25:34 <[g2]> either through the Linksys Web UI, upslug, the upload proceedure etc....
May 24 11:25:40 <kitno455> right
May 24 11:25:59 <[g2]> the jffs2 is the jffs2 partition portion of that and the kernel is the kernel
May 24 11:27:10 <kitno455> could i play with those independantlty and nail them together later?
May 24 11:28:25 <[g2]> slugimage is the perl program that does it
May 24 11:28:41 <[g2]> I wouldn't waste your time with it
May 24 11:28:55 <[g2]> kitno455, do you have serial ?
May 24 11:29:17 <kitno455> yes
May 24 11:29:30 <kitno455> i could tftp pieces i suppose
May 24 11:29:45 <kitno455> 'do i have serial' he asks :)
May 24 11:29:56 <[g2]> are you interested in playing with the APEX bootloader ?
May 24 11:29:58 <kitno455> yes
May 24 11:30:04 <kitno455> dont have jtab
May 24 11:30:06 <kitno455> tag
May 24 11:30:36 <kitno455> i am going to put this thing on untrusted net. redboot needs a network-otomy
May 24 11:31:00 <[g2]> We've got a working APEX
May 24 11:31:31 <VoodooZ_Work> define "working".
May 24 11:31:45 <VoodooZ_Work> Does it boots openslug's jffs2?
May 24 11:31:46 <[g2]> Ethernet, USB, all works
May 24 11:32:08 <[g2]> boots the jffs2 via the kernel like now
May 24 11:32:37 <VoodooZ_Work> cool!
May 24 11:32:38 <[g2]> I just doesn't have ethernet, but you can Xmodem images down
May 24 11:32:44 <VoodooZ_Work> I'll have to try that then!
May 24 11:33:17 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, I meant to ask you. Was the intel stuff finally removed from openslug or?
May 24 11:33:37 <VoodooZ_Work> I just flashed the latest openslug and it boots without the ixp stuff.
May 24 11:33:52 <kitno455> uhh, how does it get ethernet?
May 24 11:34:06 <[g2]> kitno455, it doesn't have ethernet
May 24 11:34:15 <[g2]> it copies the kernel from flash and boots it
May 24 11:34:19 <VoodooZ_Work> I need it for development only.
May 24 11:34:30 <[g2]> the kernel loads the jffs2 and networking
May 24 11:34:53 <VoodooZ_Work> Is it much faster than redboot?
May 24 11:35:03 <[g2]> sure
May 24 11:35:07 <[g2]> it's 16K
May 24 11:35:22 <[g2]> and it just loads the kernel parition and boot strait to the jffs2
May 24 11:35:29 <[g2]> less copying
May 24 11:35:45 * VoodooZ_Work Jumps up/down in excitment!
May 24 11:35:52 <[g2]> VoodooZ_Work, are you saying the Intel Access Library wasn't in there this morning ?
May 24 11:36:26 <VoodooZ_Work> well, the modules are still present in /lib (as I was able to load them manually) but they didn't load on startup.
May 24 11:37:24 <[g2]> jbowler-zzz, tweaked the config for -mm this morning from the changesets
May 24 11:37:42 <[g2]> it worked yesterday
May 24 11:37:50 <VoodooZ_Work> strange.
May 24 11:38:10 <VoodooZ_Work> What's the mm thing btw? Is a kernel for openslug-init or ???
May 24 11:39:05 <[g2]> -mm is a branch of the kernel
May 24 11:39:06 <jbowler> mm is the kernel with the MM patches - see kernel.org
May 24 11:39:09 <Jacmet> did anyone actually try to compile a newer version of redboot instead? the startup delay seems pretty strange
May 24 11:39:36 <VoodooZ_Work> both the mm flavour is not in use yet right?
May 24 11:39:44 <[g2]> Jacmet, which startup delay ?
May 24 11:40:05 <VoodooZ_Work> What are those patches for? I thought this was already in place? speed improvement?
May 24 11:40:20 <Jacmet> [g2]: redboot takes a few seconds to startup
May 24 11:40:45 <Jacmet> [g2]: It doesn't do that on the other platforms I have used it
May 24 11:40:47 <Jacmet> on
May 24 11:41:01 <[g2]> Jacmet, I think when it boot, the flash is in the slowest mode (safest) and it loads redboot
May 24 11:41:34 <jbowler> VoodooZ_Work - if the IAL didn't load, how were you able to log in?
May 24 11:41:35 <Jacmet> [g2]: ok, but still, it shouldn't take seconds to read ~100k
May 24 11:41:58 <[g2]> It's a sercom modified Redboot
May 24 11:42:09 <Jacmet> [g2]: true
May 24 11:42:27 <[g2]> I'm not sure if the are checking a signature somewhere and reading the whole flash
May 24 11:42:43 <Jacmet> [g2]: I was basically just wondering why people were looking into apex instead of sticking to redboot (or going with uboot)
May 24 11:42:45 <[g2]> if someone had a bus analyzer it'd be interesting to know
May 24 11:43:03 <[g2]> couple reasons
May 24 11:43:31 <[g2]> 1) Beewoolie has already written APEX and though he could port it easily to the IXP4xx platform
May 24 11:43:53 <[g2]> 2) RedBoot has a learning curve and is big and cumbersome in my mind
May 24 11:44:21 <[g2]> APEX was smaller derivative from uboot
May 24 11:44:28 <Jacmet> [g2]: everything has a learning curve ;) I find RedBoot pretty nicely structured
May 24 11:44:52 <Jacmet> [g2]: but apex presumably has less features?
May 24 11:45:01 <[g2]> sure.
May 24 11:45:13 <[g2]> but you can look at ALL the code in like 30 minutes
May 24 11:45:17 <jbowler> The big problem with APEX seems to be lack of ethernet support.
May 24 11:45:34 <[g2]> yes, and that's just crazy to me
May 24 11:46:09 <[g2]> The two reasons to have ethernet in the bootloader to me are:
May 24 11:46:14 <[g2]> 1) it comes for free
May 24 11:46:28 <[g2]> 2) you need it for debugging the kernel and fast downloading
May 24 11:46:41 <jbowler> Seems like it's the same problem - the access code is enormous (not surprising, most of the IXP420 core is for the ethernet)
May 24 11:46:56 <jbowler> And the only implementation is the Intel one...
May 24 11:47:17 <CIA-1> 03jp30 * 10unslung/ (Makefile unslung-autoclean.pl): make autoclean a bit more discerning in what it deletes
May 24 11:47:18 <kitno455> right
May 24 11:47:40 <kitno455> until someone reverse engineers compiler for NPE, we are stuck with intel code
May 24 11:47:44 <jbowler> Ok, so I'm going to try to flash a new kernel from the command line (remember, no serial...)
May 24 11:47:53 <kitno455> you dont have serial?
May 24 11:48:10 <kitno455> the comunity has not gotten together to get you one?
May 24 11:48:14 <jbowler> No, I try to only use release systems.
May 24 11:49:35 <jbowler> A lot of the openslug stuff I've done (like the led stuff) is mainly to ensure that the thing can be used by all those people without mod'ed hardware.
May 24 11:52:13 <VoodooZ_Work> sorry i was on the phone...
May 24 11:52:32 <VoodooZ_Work> jbowler: I use serial.
May 24 11:53:41 <jbowler> Have you editted /etc/network/interfaces?
May 24 11:54:00 <VoodooZ_Work> well, i didn't have to a few days ago?
May 24 11:54:02 <Jacmet> anyone done any work on booting a little endian kernel?
May 24 11:54:42 <jbowler> etc/network/interfaces should have 'auto eth0' and that will modprobe eth0, which should bring up the ethernet.
May 24 11:55:21 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, strange It's been working for months...
May 24 11:56:06 <[g2]> jbowler, did you flash yet ?
May 24 11:57:16 <[g2]> jbowler, are you familiar with the kern_header routine ?
May 24 11:57:44 <jbowler> In progress - I hit the shutdown hang again.  Yes, I know kern_header, I'm trying to write the thing directly, without an intermediate file.
May 24 11:57:59 <jbowler> First 4 bytes are the length right?  Then 0, then 0...
May 24 11:58:13 <Jacmet> [g2]: isn't the size advantage of ape compared to redboot/uboot moot anyway when considering the flash block size?
May 24 11:58:15 <[g2]> exactly in BE format
May 24 11:58:32 <[g2]> Jacmet, not for execution
May 24 11:58:57 <[g2]> Jacmet, besides the current Redboot Implementation costs 4 blocks
May 24 11:59:00 <[g2]> maybe 5
May 24 11:59:26 <[g2]> 2 for Redboot itself, 1 for sysconfig, 1 for the trailer block, 1 for the offset in the Rootfs block
May 24 12:00:05 <Jacmet> [g2]: wow, I didn't notice it was that big - must be the npe stuff - redboot is normally in the 100-200k range
May 24 12:00:52 <Jacmet> the extra blocks could be skipped if we went for a std redboot
May 24 12:00:53 <[g2]> So that all squeezes down to 2 partitions because we're lazy and safe
May 24 12:01:26 <[g2]> With a standard Redboot it still costs 3 or 4 blocks
May 24 12:01:47 <[g2]> 2 for the Redboot 1 for the sysconf and possibly 1 for the partition/config block
May 24 12:02:30 <[g2]> Jacmet, we need a RedBoot guy
May 24 12:02:41 <[g2]> You can be the RedBoot guy if you like
May 24 12:02:51 <[g2]> and also deal with the NPE IP issues too
May 24 12:03:25 <[g2]> APEX already works with the 64MB config on an OEM board and the reworked units will have the identicaly memory config
May 24 12:03:36 <[g2]> we need a Redboot with 64MB
May 24 12:03:52 <[g2]> Are you familiar with sluggo ? The CVS project that builds RedBoot ?
May 24 12:07:52 <[g2]> Anybody burn DVDs out there ?
May 24 12:09:45 <Jacmet> [g2]: the NPI issues are the same no matter what bootloader we go fot - you can also easily compile redboot without ethernet support
May 24 12:09:51 <Jacmet> NPE even
May 24 12:10:18 <Jacmet> [g2]: 64MB config is a one-line change in the linker script
May 24 12:11:41 <[g2]> Jacmet, cool.
May 24 12:36:42 <kitno455> ok, putting my first build of openslug onto the box...
May 24 12:42:21 <kitno455> boots. but says: ixp425_eth: ixEthMiiLinkStatus failed on PHY0. still uses .77, which works ok.
May 24 12:42:47 <VoodooZ_Work> congrats!
May 24 12:45:47 <[g2]> kitno455, congrats!
May 24 12:53:10 <kitno455> any idea why dhcp does not work?
May 24 12:54:00 <[g2]> there's an option in turnup now for that
May 24 12:54:14 <[g2]> I haven't tried it, but I saw it in there
May 24 13:01:40 <kitno455> ok, need to go read new turnup
May 24 13:04:19 <jbowler> DHCP should work - it works on my network.
May 24 13:04:59 <[g2]> jbowler, excellent
May 24 13:05:13 <[g2]> I'll have to try that out
May 24 13:05:37 <jbowler> Ah, but it certainly does not work in 1.12, it can be made to work badly by ipkg install kernel-module-af-packet, but then the eth hardware MAC won't be set...
May 24 13:06:03 <jbowler> ...because 'eth0 dhcp' in /etc/network/interfaces ignores the 'hw address' stuff.
May 24 13:06:26 <jbowler> See the post-1.12 generated /etc/network/interfaces for how to do it.
May 24 13:06:57 <kitno455> jbowler, i just built openslug from bk
May 24 13:06:57 <[g2]> The post-1.12 from yesterday ?
May 24 13:06:58 <jbowler> It needs: pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether <MAC>
May 24 13:07:11 <[g2]> that's what my current one has
May 24 13:07:49 <jbowler> Then DHCP should work - in fact, by default it will use DHCP because LinkSys/RedBoot programs 'boot_proto=dhcp'
May 24 13:08:14 <jbowler> [g2] - is udhcpc running on your system?
May 24 13:08:56 <[g2]> I haven't tried
May 24 13:09:03 <[g2]> I'm not running dhcp
May 24 13:09:39 <jbowler> Unless you changed /etc/network/interfaces by hand I believe you are running udhcpc, even if there is no DHCP server.
May 24 13:09:42 <[g2]> grep boot /etc/default/sysconf
May 24 13:09:42 <[g2]> bootproto=static
May 24 13:10:14 <jbowler> Ah, ok.  Hum... maybe I'm wrong, does a stock NSLU2 come configured that way?
May 24 13:10:21 <[g2]> Nod.
May 24 13:10:30 <[g2]> Static IP @ 192.168.1.77
May 24 13:11:04 <jbowler> Ok then: kitno455 - just edit /etc/default/sysconf to change the bootproto line to 'dhcp'
May 24 13:11:44 <[g2]> do the boot scripts read that file on every boot ?
May 24 13:12:10 <jbowler> ... good point...  and change the /etc/network/interface line to 'iface eth0 inet dhcp'
May 24 13:13:10 <jbowler> The udhcpc script reads from /etc/default/sysconf, but I couldn't find a way to make /etc/network/interfaces update to follow it.
May 24 13:13:52 <jbowler> Still, with the pre-up line it's just a matter of changing 'static' to 'dhcp' - all the other stuff can be left as it is.
May 24 13:14:49 <kitno455> jbowler, heres the msg i get: ixp425_eth: CPU clock speed (approx) = 0 MHz
May 24 13:14:50 <kitno455> [error] ixEthMiiPhyScan : unexpected Mii PHY ID 00008201
May 24 13:14:50 <kitno455> ixp425_eth: npe0 is using the PHY at address 0
May 24 13:14:50 <kitno455> ixp425_eth: npe1 is using the PHY at address 1
May 24 13:14:50 <kitno455> done.
May 24 13:14:50 <kitno455> Starting portmap daemon: portmap.
May 24 13:14:52 <kitno455> ixp425_eth: ixEthMiiLinkStatus failed on PHY0.
May 24 13:14:54 <kitno455>         Can't determine
May 24 13:14:56 <kitno455> the auto negotiated parameters. Using default values.
May 24 13:15:31 <kitno455> not sure if sysconf currently asks for dhcp or not
May 24 13:16:11 <jbowler> Those messages are expected, in that I've always seen that LinkStatus failure.
May 24 13:16:42 <jbowler> Just change /etc/network/interfaces to request dhcp not status (in the iface eth0 inet line).
May 24 13:16:52 <CompBrain> is there anyone with a working build enviorment that would be willing to build some kernel modules?
May 24 13:17:58 <ka6sox-office> which distro?
May 24 13:18:39 <CompBrain> for the slug
May 24 13:18:49 <ka6sox-office> unslung or openslug?
May 24 13:20:01 <CompBrain> hmm, either i suppose. Im starting a new project so im flexible
May 24 13:20:01 <[g2]> which modules most are already built ? :)
May 24 13:20:51 <CompBrain> usbsound, usbserial, and one that i cant remember 
May 24 13:21:02 <[g2]> is the project a secret or can you tell us about it ? :)
May 24 13:21:17 <[g2]> I think usbsound and serial are already built
May 24 13:21:19 <CompBrain> Well, it involves the WGT634U
May 24 13:21:32 <CompBrain> are they, i did a quick search of the wiki and didnt see anything yet
May 24 13:22:00 <ka6sox-office> ipkfind.nslu2-linux.org
May 24 13:22:24 <CompBrain> ah, gratz
May 24 13:24:04 <CompBrain> hmm, that url no worky
May 24 13:24:12 <ka6sox-office> ipkgfind.
May 24 13:24:29 <CompBrain> ah
May 24 13:24:31 <CompBrain> thanks
May 24 13:24:33 <ka6sox-office> np
May 24 13:25:51 <ka6sox-office> the OpenWRT guys know about this little box.
May 24 13:26:10 <CompBrain> the WGT?
May 24 13:26:18 <CompBrain> btw, no usbsound, just soundcore and usbserial
May 24 13:27:02 <[g2]> CompBrain, I think someone wrote up something on the wiki about using a usb sound blaster
May 24 13:27:13 <[g2]> I could be all wet about that though
May 24 13:27:23 <CompBrain> i saw it on the wishlist
May 24 13:27:37 <CompBrain> hmm, let me have another look
May 24 13:27:57 <CompBrain> nope. :/
May 24 13:28:52 <CompBrain> aaahhh. on 'WhatPeopleAreReallyUsingTheirSlugsFor' someone has an entry about using the iMic, but they just say that they 'patched it'
May 24 13:29:12 <CompBrain> and theirs a nag nag line there, requesting a howto
May 24 13:29:52 <ka6sox-office> heh
May 24 13:30:46 <CompBrain> I wish all these embedded linux devices would decide on a platform. MIPS/ARM/spoope, its impossible to complile all this stuff
May 24 13:30:50 <CompBrain> hehe
May 24 13:40:52 <ka6sox-office> yep
May 24 13:41:10 <ka6sox-office> it appears to be a Broadcom thingy...so similar to the Wiley we are doing right now.
May 24 13:42:39 <CompBrain> Wiley?
May 24 13:43:11 <ka6sox-office> the ASUS WL-XXX series of router/wireless HDD devices.
May 24 13:43:29 <CompBrain> ah
May 24 13:43:31 <CompBrain> gotcha
May 24 13:43:41 <CompBrain> theres really not much about the negear box
May 24 13:43:44 <CompBrain> Im suprised
May 24 13:43:53 <CompBrain> Its cheap
May 24 13:43:58 <CompBrain> <50$
May 24 13:54:07 <copperbeech> [g2]: you still working on the knoppix development env CD? Or are you on to other things now?
May 24 14:11:48 <dyoung-zzzz> WGT634U
May 24 14:12:13 <dyoung-zzzz> Peteru setup a buildenv for the 634U.
May 24 14:12:18 <dyoung-zzzz> for a 2.6 kernel
May 24 14:14:33 <CompBrain> o0o
May 24 14:14:35 <CompBrain> cooo
May 24 14:14:37 <CompBrain> verycooo
May 24 14:15:26 <dyoung-zzzz> Unfortunately, you'll need to go through back logs to find any crumbs of into.
May 24 14:15:32 <CompBrain> heh
May 24 14:15:35 <CompBrain> thats alright
May 24 14:15:44 <ByronT-Away> dyoung!!!!
May 24 14:15:45 <dyoung-zzzz> I believe he is away travelling for several motnhs now
May 24 14:15:50 <ByronT-Away> is my serial on the way?
May 24 14:15:58 <CompBrain> im divig into openslug today.. shall be fun
May 24 14:16:01 <dyoung-zzzz> No but it could be.
May 24 14:16:06 <dyoung-zzzz> I need your mailing address.
May 24 14:16:14 <kitno455> dyoung, you have awakened
May 24 14:16:38 <dyoung-zzzz> Yeah, that was kind of a long one.
May 24 14:20:06 <dzlabing> #nicsetup
May 24 14:29:28 <dzlabing> hi, specialists, I seem to have ruined my nlsu2 trying to unslung 4.20 - no response after reboot anymore, can anyone help?
May 24 14:30:14 <senneth> dzlabing: have you tried the instruction for recovering from a bad flash?
May 24 14:30:28 <ka6sox-office> ~nslu2-wiki
May 24 14:30:29 <jbot> it has been said that nslu2-wiki is the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/".
May 24 14:31:55 <dzlabing> thank you for responses, yes, I tried the wiki, but the problem I see is that the flash itself went ok, I played around with an 1 GByte USB stick, installed a lot of software, but when I wanted to switch to a 80 GByte harddisk reboot failed, so I believe the flash should be ok - or I am totally wrong with that?
May 24 14:32:36 <ka6sox-office> try to boot without the HD and telnet in...then try a remount of the drive.
May 24 14:34:41 <dzlabing> when I reboot without harddisk it is the same. The only thing I can see is that after some 2..3 min there is a short "beep", but that is all. When I connect a drive, the LED turns on, and when I disconnect ethernet the ethernet-led goes out, but that is all I can see. One problem could be that I used dhcp to get the IP, but the dhcp-server does not receive any request any more...
May 24 14:35:34 <dzlabing> Maybe I also should mention, the last thing I did was to try to switch to maintanance mode, but I think that was totaly wrong...
May 24 14:35:36 <ka6sox-office> before you connect the drive enable telnet.
May 24 14:35:53 <dzlabing> Yes, but I can not access it at all.
May 24 14:36:02 <ka6sox-office> ah
May 24 14:36:17 <ka6sox-office> ah..even http is down?
May 24 14:36:43 <dzlabing> no ping, no http, no telnet.
May 24 14:38:25 <ka6sox-office> have you tried 192.168.1.77
May 24 14:38:58 <CompBrain> I tried to get to my web interface, forgot i changed the port to 8080 :)
May 24 14:39:01 <ka6sox-office> I was wondering if it went back to default.
May 24 14:39:06 <ka6sox-office> ah
May 24 14:39:09 <ka6sox-office> okay
May 24 14:39:11 <dyoung-zzzz> If it beeps, its up.
May 24 14:40:36 <dzlabing> 192.168.1.77 also does not get arp-resolution, 
May 24 14:41:24 <dzlabing> dyoung-zzzz: so this means, it's up, but does not respond !?
May 24 14:41:28 <[g2]> copperbeech, the base LiveCD is done
May 24 14:41:47 <dyoung-zzzz> It means its some other address.
May 24 14:42:04 <dyoung-zzzz> You can telnet to redboot right?
May 24 14:42:06 <[g2]> I just got a DVD burner today to build the LiveCD with the Metadata, Tarballs and maybe pre-built images onit
May 24 14:42:19 <copperbeech> [g2]: cool so what is the next step ? 
May 24 14:42:29 <[g2]> master the DVD :)
May 24 14:42:50 <dzlabing> What address is used if I have dhcp active, but for some reason dhcp-fails (is there any default like 192.168.1.77 or is it just 0.0.0.0? 
May 24 14:42:55 <copperbeech> [g2] and then you can test and create an ISO?
May 24 14:43:25 <[g2]> copperbeech, I created a LiveCD which build the openslug-image from the metadata off a mounted disk
May 24 14:43:26 <copperbeech> :-)
May 24 14:43:54 <[g2]> I've got to grab dinner... I'll be back later to chat if you're around
May 24 14:44:05 <copperbeech> [g2]: I'm really interested in package development will it do that?
May 24 14:44:12 <dyoung-zzzz> dzlabing, thats not relevant, you need to answer the part about being able to telent to redboot first.
May 24 14:44:41 <[g2]-dinner> copperbeech, there are just some finishing touches... I'll let you know all about it later
May 24 14:45:35 <copperbeech> [g2]: thanks - if I'm not around I'll try and get the logs - late here and have an appointment with my pillow :-) great stuff you've been doing - very interested 
May 24 14:46:08 <dzlabing> dyoung-zzzz: thank you, i think now i start to understand what you mean, red-boot has a fixed address, i did not try that out, let me see.. 
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May 24 14:51:34 <dzlabing> gotcha the RedBoot> prompt, 23h51, I think i should fix is today;-)
May 24 14:55:18 <dzlabing> is it necassary that the tftp-server is in the same subnet or can that server also be somewhere on the internet? Wiki uses a Cisco-Image as example, why should I not load the unslug-firmware?
May 24 14:56:42 <dyoung-zzzz> dzlabing, I use upslug to upload new firmware images.
May 24 14:57:13 <dyoung-zzzz> so get to the redboot prompt, type upgrade there; go to other linux machine, upslug --upload newimage
May 24 14:59:15 <rwhitby-away> dzlabing: use the Linksys setup utility to set a static address
May 24 14:59:31 <rwhitby-away> and forget about dhcp on unslung - it's too unreliable
May 24 15:00:44 <dzlabing> ok, i am just trying to build upslug an i will flash a linksys firmware first, and follow the not-to-use-dhcp-anymore hint ;-)
May 24 15:04:25 <rwhitby> if you can get into upgrade mode, then you can use the SerComm upgrade utility if you have a windows box 
May 24 15:09:33 <dzlabing> great, it is already past midnight, but upslug ok, flash ok, ping (on 10.2.0.12) ok, webinterface up, great, alive again!
May 24 15:09:46 <rwhitby> congrats
May 24 15:10:13 <rwhitby> it's only 7:39am here, so you did it in one day in Australian time
May 24 15:11:03 <dzlabing> good morning, i was believing its afternoon on your side, but i got the directions wrong (i am located in Vienna, Austria
May 24 15:11:27 <dyoung-zzzz> Cool, glad it worked.
May 24 15:11:38 <dyoung-zzzz> rwhitby beat me to saying "dont use dhcp"
May 24 15:11:41 <CompBrain> I checked the usbserial package, its missing pl2303 support, so if anyone wants to tackle that =P, id be very happy
May 24 15:12:04 <dzlabing> not to do it wrong again: as dhcp is still active, it seems that some parts of the flash have remained, should i now do something to get somekind of "default settings" back, or should i just do an "unslung" again?
May 24 15:12:28 <rwhitby> CompBrain: we've got pl2303 support in both openslug and unslung
May 24 15:13:07 <CompBrain> hmm, i just installed openslug latest, and did a little searching.. Im missing that and usbsound, but usbsound seems to be a dead end atm
May 24 15:13:50 <CompBrain> oh, found 2303
May 24 15:14:57 <CompBrain> thanks rwhitby 
May 24 15:16:25 <dzlabing> i do not realy need dhcp, it's just to make me feel that i have a big network at home..
May 24 15:21:45 <rwhitby> dzlabing: if you want to get back to factory defaults, then do a reset sysyconf (see the wiki)
May 24 15:21:51 <rwhitby> sysconf
May 24 15:26:27 <[g2]> rwhitby, hey....
May 24 15:26:50 <[g2]> have you seen all the great changes jbowler put in OpenSlug's turnup ?
May 24 15:26:55 <dzlabing> yes, I think now I understood the whole procedure, and what all that red-menu-stuff is about, i read it before, but did not get the point, I will do sysconf next, currenty i am formating the harddisk to start from scratch (but via ethernet, not with a flash-programmer 
May 24 15:37:09 <dzlabing> sysconf done, unslung done, now updating and installing packages to harddisk 1h + 3rd level support - thank you all!!
May 24 15:37:51 <rwhitby> [g2]: yeah. jbowler is a great asset for OpenSlug
May 24 15:38:24 <[g2]> amen
May 24 15:38:44 * [g2] is very pleased with the community
May 24 15:39:11 <[g2]> thx to the leadership of rwhitby :)
May 24 16:30:26 <dzlabing> finaly i rebooted, and now i am copying files via kernel-nfs and in parallel downloading a film via usb from my topfield. perfect good night!
May 24 18:17:35 <rcarmo> hi there
May 24 18:18:02 <rcarmo> I know this is the devel channel, but -general is a bit sparse right now
May 24 18:19:26 <rcarmo> anyone here tackling bug #146?
May 24 18:25:20 <ka6sox-office> didn't even give me time to respond....
May 24 18:25:23 <ka6sox-office> rats.
May 24 18:29:09 <ByronT> ka6sox-office, what is that status?
May 24 18:29:18 <ByronT> or is it a non-starter?
May 24 18:35:18 <ka6sox-office> ByronT, I don't know..it was assigned to NSLU2-LINUX which means that theoretically anyone could pick it up.
May 24 18:35:31 <ka6sox-office> I don't know of any activity on it.
May 24 18:36:20 <ka6sox-office> I see what is being said but I don't know the solution or if its been addressed.
May 24 19:01:18 <jstueve> I posted this in general, but there was no response.
May 24 19:01:22 <jstueve> problem:  reflashed unslung-4.20-beta, changed IP through the web interface, activated telnet through the web interface, unsling to disk1, then rebooted.
May 24 19:01:22 <jstueve> jstueve Problem:  no ready/status light, flashing green ethernet light, steady green disk1 light.  no response to ping.
May 24 19:01:22 <jstueve> jstueve question: is there something that overwrites the IP address in an unslung disk?
May 24 19:08:24 <jstueve> question: what causes the ready/status LED to be dark?
May 24 22:33:09 <jstueve> Problem: Unslung-4.20-beta.  df shows that ramdisk is still root, after clean format of hard disk, and a fresh unsling/reboot/reboot
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