**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 25 23:59:56 2005 May 26 00:49:16 morning :) May 26 05:14:45 is pjstewart on channel? May 26 05:14:54 from the mailing list May 26 11:05:46 <[g2]-away> [cc]smart, hey I've got to run but I've been thinking of you :) May 26 11:06:20 <[g2]-away> I'd like to talk to you about automated regression builds and testing later :) May 26 11:21:29 anyone here be able to answer my question no answers in nslu genereal May 26 11:22:10 it is in regards to installing nfs-utils May 26 11:34:29 Hmm. Not patient enough. May 26 11:34:48 Gotte tell people to hang out a while to see if anyone notices the question. May 26 11:39:09 slug shipped for 62.19 at buy.com May 26 12:17:12 <[cc]smart> [g2]-away: we'll find a time to discuss... May 26 13:10:03 hi, have anyone tried booting a little endian kernel on the slug? May 26 13:10:32 it seems to hang after setting up memory May 26 13:10:38 PID hash table entries: 256 (order: 8, 4096 bytes) May 26 13:10:38 Dentry cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 3, 32768 bytes) May 26 13:10:38 Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 2, 16384 bytes) May 26 13:10:38 Memory: 32MB = 32MB total May 26 13:10:38 Memory: 20096KB available (1805K code, 163K data, 92K init) May 26 13:22:19 Jacmet, my question might sound stupid, but is the architecture of the ARM little or big endian - so how can have the coice? May 26 13:34:49 eno-away, py-bittorrent_4.1.1-1 is in the feed May 26 14:55:49 Jacmet, its not possible to boot a LE Kernel using the redboot shipped with the slug. Its BE Only. May 26 14:57:31 However, if you know about bootloaders, you might be able to compile redboot with the new 1.5 epk to start initialise it in LE, or maybe beewoolie's APEX bootloader can start it in LE. May 26 14:58:44 dyoung-zzzz, good morning, here it's midnight. tell me: why are all references to toppy to the DVB-T (PVR-t) from topfield, is that the only box used. here, the satellite version is rather common while the terrestial version is rather seldom - and rather expensive too. May 26 14:59:09 Beats me. I dont have a toppy. :-) May 26 14:59:45 rwhitby-away might have the answer to that question. May 26 14:59:51 Heck, I cant even *get* a toppy here. May 26 15:00:25 you do't have a dvb-t network, or they don't sell it? May 26 15:00:44 Both. May 26 15:01:11 Remember I live in the middle of the ocean. May 26 15:01:36 out of the normal footprint of normal DVB type broadcasts. May 26 15:02:00 in austria we also do not have dvb-t, although in the middle of europe. but in italy, germany, france, they have dvb-t already; so here dvb-s is the only choice. May 26 15:02:31 no satellites having a spot there? are you sure? May 26 15:02:46 wow, i have no idea what you guys are talking about. i dont own a TV May 26 15:02:51 recently they laucnehd a new one to cover the US West coast that has a lobe here. May 26 15:03:15 Dish Network. But It doesnt help me because its so low on the horizon, and I got this mountain thing in the way.... May 26 15:03:50 so how do you get the signal than? ntsc? May 26 15:04:43 xx then, May 26 15:04:46 If I could see the bird, I would need a proprietary reciever. May 26 15:05:07 I can get "digital cable" but again, i need the proprietary receiver. May 26 15:05:11 so I just get the analog cable. May 26 15:05:28 you wont own anything proprietary? May 26 15:06:19 not so much that. But it seriously dampens the abilty to record stuff in digital form. May 26 15:06:38 gotcha May 26 15:07:00 sorry, but so much of tv is complete crap, i dont see much point in recording it at all May 26 15:07:01 that's what cable operators want;-) May 26 15:07:45 Mostly to watch at my convenience. May 26 15:07:50 and save the good stuff. May 26 15:07:58 Like Pingu. Which isnt broadcast here anyways. May 26 15:08:09 there is a ipkt "mc" (midnight-commander), but it seems to eat memory, and that's all: is that program not realy ported, or is there just a configuration problem on my side? May 26 15:08:59 kitno455, but in general I'm with you on the quality of TV Content these days. May 26 15:09:23 with OLN (a channel) its nice having the Tour de France live. May 26 15:09:48 before OLN, it was all radio or delayed by months. May 26 15:10:06 well, the TdF is pretty damn boring too :) May 26 15:10:27 jp30-work: thx May 26 15:10:29 Lance is one of my heros. May 26 15:10:56 congrats. my wife researches the drugs he was given May 26 15:11:09 Cool! May 26 15:11:29 yeah, she got to meet him at a conference May 26 15:12:36 i did like junkyard wars (scrapheap challenge) May 26 15:12:49 most other tv annoys me May 26 15:12:51 ooh yeah that was funny as heck. May 26 15:12:59 my kind of thing May 26 15:13:04 Bit Bodging. May 26 15:13:21 on tv: here we have a number of good public (state) channels, but most of the private channels are showing talk-shows, soaps, and ads of course, so without arte (www.arte-tv.com) or ard (www.bbc.co.uk) there would not be much to watch. May 26 15:13:23 yeah, we dont say bodging stateside May 26 15:13:29 Mythbusters is pretty funny too. May 26 15:13:37 yeah, they are cool May 26 15:13:58 they buried a pig under the sidewalk for months to see if you could smell jimmy hoffa May 26 15:14:04 hehe May 26 15:14:11 thyey like dead pigs. May 26 15:14:18 weird dudes May 26 15:14:25 they put one in a camaro for 3 months to see if they could make the smell go away. May 26 15:14:31 i would love that job though May 26 15:14:36 poor camaro May 26 15:15:24 everything now is CSI somethingorother May 26 15:15:40 hell, that show is on more often than commercials May 26 15:16:09 so now its me, who does not understand a word, it seems you are talking about us-shows? May 26 15:16:20 Okay, its not just me. I dont get why that show is so popular. May 26 15:16:22 yeah, May 26 15:16:26 dzlabing[1]: the reason why all the talk is about DVB-T is because that is all we have in Australia, and the puppy developers are Australian :-) May 26 15:16:53 morning rod May 26 15:16:55 rwhitby-away, do you known if theres a pingu-language dictionary? May 26 15:17:05 morning May 26 15:17:08 never found one May 26 15:17:14 what is pingu? May 26 15:17:47 danish(?) claymation character from the 80-s or maybe 70-s May 26 15:18:01 Swede maybe, I forget. May 26 15:18:22 but hes really cute. its a great childrens program. May 26 15:18:24 ah. he has his own language? May 26 15:18:30 (whihc is kind of why I like it I guess) May 26 15:19:10 claymation is cool i did a project in video class once May 26 15:19:24 i kope you don't mind putting http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Puppy/TF5000PVR on the wiki, telling that it also works fine with the dvb-s version. May 26 15:19:28 just making a little clay dude walk for 10 seconds took 2 days of work May 26 15:19:49 dzlabing[1], Please do! May 26 15:19:51 dzlabing[1]: that's what wikis are for :-) May 26 15:20:13 i have to commit - i already did. May 26 15:20:36 good May 26 15:21:01 gotta roll. keep it up guys. May 26 15:21:15 enjoy your day! May 26 15:21:16 the only problem i had - but that is not specific to puppy but a general problem - bash does not really like some umlaute (öäü) which often occur in german language May 26 15:21:31 films. May 26 15:21:47 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promote asterisk-sounds May 26 15:21:49 oh, my day now consists of 2 hours of kungfu, then bed :) May 26 15:22:05 so i may enjoy it :) May 26 15:22:39 so it can be difficult to enter a "-c get this-show-has-bad-characters-in.rec". May 26 15:23:28 Yah, we had been selfishly turning off internationaliztion settings. May 26 15:23:34 dzlabing[1]: even with single quotes (' ') around the filename? May 26 15:23:49 is there a way to remote control the puppy via usb - eg. program something to record from remote? May 26 15:24:02 yes, using the epg uploader May 26 15:24:24 you know about the topfield-australia.com.au forums ? May 26 15:25:35 http://www.topfield-australia.com.au/frm/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1946 is a good place to start May 26 15:26:01 yes, i found some interesting stuff there. but my previous understanding of that uploader was that there is no sufficient epg available (covering more than the current bouquet tuned to), so they are selling a program-guide via the internet which can then be uploaded using that tap. it seems i was wrong. May 26 15:26:13 and http://www.topfield-australia.com.au/frm/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2018 is slug-specific May 26 15:27:16 I use TED/S on my laptop, to generate the EPG and Timer entries, and then they are uploaded through ftp-topfield via MediaSlug May 26 15:28:03 and it also generates the EPG data for Pocket TV Browser which runs on my Treo650 May 26 15:28:38 ... which talks via BlueTooth..... May 26 15:28:48 to AccessSlug May 26 15:29:45 one day I'll have a webscheduler running on MediaSlug to which I could connect via GPRS anywhere in GSM coverage and program the toppy May 26 15:29:54 so you have a "external epg", you upload it, and that upload includes timer-setting which are then interpreted by a tap and then go into the recording-list of the toppy? May 26 15:29:57 ... one day .... May 26 15:30:03 yep May 26 15:30:13 do that once a week May 26 15:31:26 ok, gotta go May 26 15:31:26 but there is no way to "simulate" keyboard-commands via usb or to read the "internal" epg of the toppy via usb? May 26 15:31:44 not without a TAP in the middle, no May 26 15:32:12 you could connect the serial port to the toppy and have that talk to a TAP to push keyboard commands ... May 26 15:32:26 (use a usb->serial converter cable) May 26 15:32:45 * rwhitby-away goes off to work ... May 26 15:33:10 so, there could be a TAP writing a file containin "interesting" infos, and also a TAP which check for a file containing commands to do. May 26 15:33:29 does the serial of the toppy have different capabilities? May 26 15:33:50 (out of 115k instead of 10..20 mbit/s?) May 26 15:40:43 dyoung-zzzz, internationalization settings: so thats why copy/paste in the terminal works with busybox, but not with bash, because normaly bash does not filter out "umlaute". May 26 15:41:35 netblock-66-159-209-60.dslextreme.com - is the wiki realy hosted on a dsl-line? May 26 15:41:56 really.. May 26 15:44:41 nope May 26 15:45:00 ATM May 26 15:46:48 ok 155 mbit/s dsl (if its STM-1, which is the smallest ATM here, but you also have STM-0 May 26 15:47:39 ATM T-1 rate May 26 15:47:56 but I need more BW. May 26 15:50:27 if its symmetric, it's not so bad, here (its my week-end home) i just have 144 kbit (actually its 11 mbit-wlan, but my contract is limited their cheapest offer). May 26 15:52:06 its symetrical May 26 15:52:27 and I have additional BW for downloads (DSL) May 26 15:52:35 but thats asymetrical. May 26 15:53:12 the best solution, cheap dsl for web-traffic, and fixed-ip, high-quality for servers & mail. May 26 15:57:23 i just installed and started asterisk on the slug, i can't belive, it works, it's even a complex pbx May 26 16:04:37 dzlabing[1], agreed. May 26 16:07:29 any idea why "mc" does not work? and why top is not there - or is there a replacement for top? May 26 16:08:24 For unslung, mc does work, and there is a top available. For openslug I don't know. May 26 16:09:29 Make sure you have your TERM and TERMINFO variables set. May 26 16:09:42 but what is the package name for top? May 26 16:10:11 i have unslung running. May 26 16:11:33 It was discussed a couple of days ago. May 26 16:13:41 glc, i see, when i hit f10 mc ends, so its not crashed, it seems to be a termnal issue, TERM=xterm, TERMINFO is not defined, no idea on this. May 26 16:14:08 Where is your temminfo? May 26 16:14:23 sorry for asking, google told http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/Mc May 26 16:14:23 TERMINFO=/opt/lib/terminfo May 26 16:14:40 Or wherever it is. May 26 16:16:43 great, it was on /opt/share, and, mc is here. May 26 16:18:40 .bashrc updated, so, now it should remain as it is. May 26 16:21:34 thank you all, 01h21 good night May 26 16:28:03 ipkg search /opt/bin/top May 26 16:31:48 no result on this search, before i did a ipkg update, but also http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=busybox-links&id=146852&official=&format= only shows busybox. May 26 16:34:00 so it seems a there is a busybox which supports top, but the one i have in 4.20 does not, or should i replace my busybox? May 26 16:49:43 It does not replace the 4.2 busybox. It installs into /opt/bin. May 26 16:53:06 yes, but my current busybox (4.20) does not include top, but anyway, i just tried to create a toolchain for puppy, but there seems to be problem with the script May 26 22:16:46 dyoung-zzzz: why shouldn't you be able to boot a LE kernel from RedBoot? May 26 22:17:18 dyoung-zzzz: It's afaik just a matter about massaging the kernel image a bit May 26 22:18:36 dyoung-zzzz: I changed the startup code to but the processor into LE and byteswapped all words before tftp'ing the image - and it boots until the Memory: 20096KB available (1805K code, 163K data, 92K init) line .. **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 26 23:17:54 2005 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu May 26 23:59:56 2005