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Jun 15 00:03:21 <jf-work> morning
Jun 15 00:06:01 <ka6sox> morning jf-work 
Jun 15 00:34:34 <rwhitby-away> mr_claus: we have no way of adding you to the Yahoo mailing list - you need to register yourself.  Try a different email address.
Jun 15 02:11:42 <rwhitby-away> The OpenSlug HomePage looks quite good now ...
Jun 15 02:14:43 <ka6sox> yes indeed.
Jun 15 03:07:17 <rwhitby-away> OK, the donation drive is announced!
Jun 15 03:47:09 <mr_claus> re
Jun 15 03:47:54 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: a different mail address? why should the mail address not working, all other mails are arriving without any problems, i hate yahoo
Jun 15 04:08:04 <rwhitby-away> mr_claus: I once used an email address that had "yahoo" in it (as part of the username).  It never got through.  I had to use a diffferent email address.
Jun 15 04:08:04 * mr_claus is back (gone 04:12:49)
Jun 15 04:10:07 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: does it makes sense? yahoo is force users to have special email addresses
Jun 15 04:43:15 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: another email address is working but thats not really a solution :/
Jun 15 05:01:32 <rwhitby-away> mr_claus: I don't make the rules at Yahoo
Jun 15 05:20:43 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: i know :/
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Jun 15 06:20:40 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: i changed the email address in my yahoo account which means edit and use the same address, after saving yahoo tried to send an email first time
Jun 15 06:21:02 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: but it was bounced because amavis detected a wrong mail header
Jun 15 06:21:45 <mr_claus> X-Amavis-Alert: BAD HEADER Non-encoded 8-bit data (char E4 hex) in message header 'Subject'
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Jun 15 06:22:18 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: the result of a german umlaut in the subject if the encoding is wrong
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Jun 15 07:58:35 <CIA-12> 03jbowler * 10upslug/COPYING: Added GPL-2 COPYING file
Jun 15 08:56:20 <hanjo> hi all
Jun 15 08:56:42 <ka6sox-zzzz> hi Hanjo! long time no see.
Jun 15 08:57:18 <hanjo> hi
Jun 15 08:57:58 <hanjo> has anyone tried to use unionfs on a slug?
Jun 15 08:59:39 <ka6sox-zzzz> I heard talk a couple of months ago...but dunno if anything came of it.
Jun 15 09:00:04 <ka6sox-zzzz> that would be a jacques or kergoth question.
Jun 15 09:01:01 <hanjo> I am trying to get a shared nfs root for my slugs, and unionfs looks like an interesting approach
Jun 15 09:05:50 <[g2]> jacques, around ?
Jun 15 09:12:11 <jacques> yes
Jun 15 09:13:01 <[g2]> jacques, are you familiar witht the unslung recent setup ?
Jun 15 09:13:29 <[g2]> wrt the kernel parameters rootfs 
Jun 15 09:14:18 <jacques> no :-\
Jun 15 09:14:27 <ka6sox-zzzz> hanjo, I just saw mention of it about 2 months ago.
Jun 15 09:18:40 <[g2]> jacques, OK... np
Jun 15 09:19:15 <[g2]> jacques, FYI I used APEX 1.2.16 this morning and automatically booted with the kernel from the jffs2 partition :)
Jun 15 09:19:53 <[g2]> I'm sending an e-mail to beewoolie to have that setup as the default or one of the defaults
Jun 15 09:20:33 <jacques> [g2], you booted openslug or unslung ?
Jun 15 09:20:50 <[g2]> openslug
Jun 15 09:21:03 <jacques> ah, OK and you want to try booting unslung ?
Jun 15 09:21:10 <[g2]> no
Jun 15 09:21:43 <[g2]> I'm just wondering if the kernel parameter changes will work for unslung
Jun 15 09:22:10 <[g2]> I mean it's not like there are a million unslung users ready to run APEX yet :)
Jun 15 09:25:39 <hanjo> ka6sox: It looks to be working for normal dirs
Jun 15 09:26:37 <hanjo> ka6sox: next step would be to get it to run with nfs mounted dirs
Jun 15 09:31:03 <hanjo> It looks like unionfs-modules ipkg is not doing depmod -a after install, but everything else is OK
Jun 15 09:32:08 <hanjo> unionfs can be added to the nslu2-package-symlinks
Jun 15 10:06:11 <ka6sox-zzzz> did you make any changes to any .mk? or just verify functionality?
Jun 15 10:07:04 <hanjo> ka6sox: me? Just verified that it works.
Jun 15 10:08:15 <ka6sox-zzzz> is there more work to be done to make it work with nfs?
Jun 15 10:10:12 <hanjo> currently I am trying to do the union on the server side. If that fails, I will look into making a union of two nfs mounted dirs, one ro, the other rw
Jun 15 10:11:12 <ka6sox-zzzz> hanjo, cool...let us know on the Mailing list and here how its going.
Jun 15 10:12:05 <hanjo> I am in the process of fishing out which files can be shared across multiple slugs, and which have to be "per slug".
Jun 15 10:13:01 <ka6sox-zzzz> off to the mine...bbs
Jun 15 12:05:23 <NAiL> Anyone know how "cu" works? Trying to use it to connect to my router, but I can't seem to get it to work properly :(
Jun 15 12:16:41 <caplink811_away> NAiL: what commandline you used?
Jun 15 12:18:41 <NAiL> cu -s 38400 --nostop --parity=none -l /dev/ttyS0 -d <-- 8N1, no flow-control 38400bps
Jun 15 12:19:15 <NAiL> But I don't know if it tries to use hw flow control or not
Jun 15 12:20:25 <caplink811_away> imho should the last parameter be a "dir" (direct)
Jun 15 12:21:25 <caplink811_away> isn't it much easier to use minicom?
Jun 15 12:22:07 <NAiL> dunno
Jun 15 12:22:08 <NAiL>  cu -s 38400 --nostop --parity=none -l /dev/ttyS0 dir
Jun 15 12:22:10 <NAiL> like that?
Jun 15 12:22:20 <caplink811_away> imho, yes
Jun 15 12:22:41 <caplink811_away> using uucp, hm, 8 or 10 years ago
Jun 15 12:23:24 <NAiL> Ah... I can't say I've used minicom to anything but dialling a modem
Jun 15 12:23:43 <NAiL> hahahahaha
Jun 15 12:23:45 <NAiL> brilliant
Jun 15 12:24:04 <NAiL> I couldn't get an answer from the router while using cu
Jun 15 12:24:19 <NAiL> so I opened minicom, but I forgot to close cu
Jun 15 12:24:32 <NAiL> pressing enter in minicom brought up the passwd prompt in cu, not in minicom :P
Jun 15 12:27:12 <jacques> weird
Jun 15 12:27:24 <jacques> what package is cu part of ?
Jun 15 12:27:36 <caplink811_away> normaly tailor uucp
Jun 15 12:28:18 <jacques> ah thanks
Jun 15 12:28:38 <jacques> if you like using weird non-minicom things, you should try kermit
Jun 15 12:28:47 <jacques> it has a rather useful scripting language
Jun 15 12:29:00 <jacques> I wrote scripts for it to load firmware on the gumstix
Jun 15 12:35:57 <NAiL> Don't need anything advanced yet. Might be useful if I want to open ports on the fly later on :P
Jun 15 15:18:43 <glc> hanjo: Check out the linux terminal server project. It uses a shared nfs root.
Jun 15 23:09:49 <jbowler-zzz> rwhitby-web, ka6sox: I pushed unionfs for hanjo  It builds fine, I'll probably add it to openslug-packages.bb 'cause I would like to have a unionfs on the jffs2 root (i.e. a read-only root with a rw disk partition on top).
Jun 15 23:10:21 <ka6sox> jbowler-zzz, go for it.
Jun 15 23:13:46 <jbowler-zzz> It's neat, it works.  I've been waiting for this for 12 years.
Jun 15 23:14:18 <dyoung-zzzz> I havnt looked at it closely yet, butu I've been waiting for unionfs for "a few years" myself.
Jun 15 23:15:56 <jbowler-zzz> Last time I had access to anything similar it was the SUN 'TFS' (Translucent File System), it's very useful for source control stuff...
Jun 15 23:16:37 <jbowler-zzz> This implementation just works, apart from the lack of a depmod in the postinst script (as hanjo observed).
Jun 15 23:16:54 <dyoung-zzzz> heh.  that was my last experience with a "overlay" fs.  TFS broke lots of stuff for me though.
Jun 15 23:17:04 <jacques> ?
Jun 15 23:17:31 <dyoung-zzzz> TFS for me often got confused and wrote the wrong thing to the wrong place un der load.
Jun 15 23:19:39 <jbowler-zzz> I used it mostly on ARM (on a port) - not SUN - we may have fixed some bugs ;-)
Jun 15 23:20:07 <ka6sox> oops...jacques must have pushed the wrong button...
Jun 15 23:20:26 <ka6sox> wb jacques 
Jun 15 23:20:32 <jbowler-zzz> Oops.  Segmentation fault on "ls" after rm'ing a file... maybe some bugs need fixing in unionfs too :-(
Jun 15 23:20:33 <ka6sox> push the wrong button?
Jun 15 23:20:59 <jacques> trying to get unicode to work
Jun 15 23:21:07 <jacques> I found where it's set in xchat
Jun 15 23:21:20 <jacques> who's using UTF-8 ?
Jun 15 23:21:25 <jacques> that's what I set it to
Jun 15 23:22:11 <ka6sox> touch�
Jun 15 23:22:19 <jacques> yay!!!
Jun 15 23:22:23 <jacques> I can see you
Jun 15 23:22:27 <jacques> I wonder if you can see me
Jun 15 23:22:29 <ka6sox> cool
Jun 15 23:24:30 <dyoung-zzzz> touché
Jun 15 23:24:34 <jacques> çäń Ÿöů ŕéàđ ţнİş¿
Jun 15 23:24:47 <dyoung-zzzz> çäń Ÿöů ŕéàđ ţнİş¿
Jun 15 23:24:52 <jacques> yes!!!!!
Jun 15 23:25:19 <jacques> who woulda thunk reading the FAQ would help
Jun 15 23:25:20 <dyoung-zzzz> does my touché work?
Jun 15 23:25:37 <jacques> yep - did you see mine or did you just copy and paste what looked like garbage to you?
Jun 15 23:25:39 <jbowler-zzz> Hum, looks like I'm not using UTF-8 - I'm seeing the byte codes (as 8859-? characters).
Jun 15 23:25:56 <dyoung-zzzz> I could read yours jacques, I did copy/paste it too.
Jun 15 23:26:02 <jacques> yay!!!
Jun 15 23:26:16 <jacques> except for jbowler-zzz who's still not seeing it
Jun 15 23:26:33 <ka6sox> çäń Ÿöů ŕéàđ ţнİş¿
Jun 15 23:26:39 <jacques> jbowler-zzz, what client are you using?
Jun 15 23:26:50 <jacques> looks like definite progress :-)
Jun 15 23:27:40 <ka6sox> jacques, did you see that big series that you sent me and i sent back?
Jun 15 23:27:43 <jbowler-zzz> KSirc, and I just upgraded my whole KDE...
Jun 15 23:27:45 <jacques> now I can say things like façade
Jun 15 23:28:14 <jacques> ka6sox yep, it looked exactly like what I sent - did it make sense to you?
Jun 15 23:28:37 * ka6sox is still functioning on only 4hrs of sleep.
Jun 15 23:28:43 <jacques> and naiveté
Jun 15 23:28:51 <ka6sox> dyoung-zzzz, emails away
Jun 15 23:29:49 <ka6sox> how many here use either kde or gnome as their main desktop environment?
Jun 15 23:30:12 <jacques> I use neither, and I resent things I use which require the gnome libs
Jun 15 23:30:36 <ka6sox> okay so you use the Redmond ones instead?
Jun 15 23:31:05 <jacques> I use a really lightweight window manager and some apps
Jun 15 23:31:26 <jacques> and everything I can build with just gtk+ (instead of gnome) I do
Jun 15 23:31:36 <ka6sox> I used Enlightenment .9X somthing for like 2 years.
Jun 15 23:32:30 <jacques> I'm on the lookout for a new wn tho since the one I use hasn't been maintained since 2001
Jun 15 23:32:40 <jacques> and it has certain issues
Jun 15 23:32:43 <ka6sox> on a RH 6.2 box...(at least I think it was .9X)
Jun 15 23:33:43 <ka6sox> tking@michael:~$ uptime
Jun 15 23:33:43 <ka6sox>  06:25:45 up 286 days, 11:50,  4 users,  load average: 0.48, 0.13, 0.03
Jun 15 23:33:48 <jbowler-zzz> jacques: can you send a Word again (one with an Accent ;-)
Jun 15 23:33:51 <ka6sox> this is what I really like though.
Jun 15 23:33:56 <jacques> now I can say things like Unslung® and OpenSlug®
Jun 15 23:34:24 <jacques> and níche
Jun 15 23:34:27 <jbowler-zzz> Yep, works for me, little R in a circule whatever that means
Jun 15 23:34:35 <jacques> coool!!
Jun 15 23:34:39 <ka6sox> registered trademark
Jun 15 23:34:45 <jacques> I think it means  - yeah what he said :-)
Jun 15 23:34:49 <jbowler-zzz> Oh, why would anyone do that?
Jun 15 23:34:52 <dyoung-zzzz> これも読んでいる？
Jun 15 23:34:59 <jacques> I see it I see it!!!
Jun 15 23:35:07 <jbowler-zzz> Ah, nice, some square boxes from dyoung (wrong font).
Jun 15 23:35:13 <jacques> 鉄道敷設のための増税なるか
Jun 15 23:35:15 <ka6sox> he he
Jun 15 23:35:25 <jacques> you gotta have a japanese font
Jun 15 23:35:39 <ka6sox> now when we see Kanji I'm going to have to figure out somethings.
Jun 15 23:35:45 <jbowler-zzz> I thought I had, but everything seems to have been changed ;-)
Jun 15 23:35:58 <ka6sox> oh...I think that Tiger has a translator that does kanji
Jun 15 23:36:10 <jacques> it's so much more fun when we're all on the same (code)page
Jun 15 23:36:13 <ka6sox> its a dashboard thing.
Jun 15 23:36:32 <dyoung-zzzz> aa
Jun 15 23:36:42 <dyoung-zzzz> A Dashboard thing?
Jun 15 23:36:46 <dyoung-zzzz> I need that.
Jun 15 23:37:19 <ka6sox> dyoung-zzzz, its there...just hit the + on the lower left when the dashboard is open
Jun 15 23:37:20 <dyoung-zzzz> and I gotta figure out h ow to enter the r with the circle... and those.
Jun 15 23:37:22 <ka6sox> and it will  come up.
Jun 15 23:37:47 <jacques> I'm cheating - xchat has a "character window"
Jun 15 23:37:55 <ka6sox> heh
Jun 15 23:37:56 <jacques> character chart
Jun 15 23:38:14 <ka6sox> I *need* to pumpkin by midnight...nobody let me stay up.
Jun 15 23:38:17 <jacques> and the kanji I'm just copying off a web page
Jun 15 23:38:42 <jacques> ¼½¾
Jun 15 23:38:42 <dyoung-zzzz> Ah, Okay.  I was wondering how you came up with that. :-)
Jun 15 23:38:46 * ka6sox activates Japanese Locale
Jun 15 23:39:03 <dyoung-zzzz> because I saw "railway" and "tax"
Jun 15 23:39:26 <jacques> yeah it's from a kauai japanese paper
Jun 15 23:39:35 <jacques> http://www.japanesebeachpress.com/
Jun 15 23:40:20 <dyoung-zzzz> Ah, okay it makes sense then.
Jun 15 23:40:36 <jacques> ¢£€¥§
Jun 15 23:40:41 <dyoung-zzzz> There is talk about increasing the excise tax in the state of hawaii to supplement a fixed rail system.
Jun 15 23:42:06 <jacques> ««»»
Jun 15 23:42:42 <dyoung-zzzz> I cant see whatever those are, they are really tiny.
Jun 15 23:42:55 <jacques> chevrons ?
Jun 15 23:42:57 <mr_claus> any ideas why that is not working in the makefile? sed -ie 's%-o $(INST_UID)%g'
Jun 15 23:43:37 <mr_claus> one % is missing at the end, result of copy and paste it seems
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