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Jun 19 00:09:12 <jbowler-away> All looks good, time for a complete rebuild g'nite
Jun 19 00:09:28 <ka6sox-zzzz> nite jbowler-zzz 
Jun 19 02:03:31 <NAiL> Anyone here using the slug for robotics?
Jun 19 02:03:41 <rwhitby-away> VoodooZ
Jun 19 02:04:22 <NAiL> Planning stuffing a slug in an RC Plane, you see :)
Jun 19 02:04:50 <rwhitby-away> FlyingSlug
Jun 19 02:04:56 <rwhitby-away> or maybe FallingSlug
Jun 19 02:05:09 <rwhitby-away> AeroSlug
Jun 19 02:05:25 <NAiL> Do birds eat slugs? :P
Jun 19 02:05:39 <rwhitby-away> Do AeroSlugs eat birds?
Jun 19 02:05:53 <NAiL> It might. It'll be rather large
Jun 19 02:08:17 <dyoung-zzzz> Does it have a Jet Engine?
Jun 19 02:08:50 <NAiL> Well, that has yet to be decided
Jun 19 02:09:16 <dyoung-zzzz> that would better the odds that a AeroSlug could eat a bird.
Jun 19 02:09:23 <NAiL> It's still on the drawing board. Right now I'm drooling all over compsys
Jun 19 02:09:26 <NAiL> haha, yeah
Jun 19 02:09:44 <dyoung-zzzz> of course eating a bird would probably be fatal for JetAeroSlug.
Jun 19 02:10:44 <NAiL> Hmm... maybe I'll build a whole bunch of them, and start SlugAir :P
Jun 19 02:11:19 <dyoung-zzzz> and join forces with SlugArmy?
Jun 19 02:11:46 <NAiL> I've got a RC Boat that I can turn into SlugNavy 
Jun 19 02:12:09 <NAiL> anyways, I'm just wondering the best way to interface with the servos
Jun 19 02:12:21 <dyoung-zzzz> i2c servo controller?
Jun 19 02:13:01 <NAiL> sounds appropriate. Know who would make such a thing?
Jun 19 02:14:00 <dyoung-zzzz> lemme poke around a bit.
Jun 19 02:14:25 <NAiL> I think I can ask a friend of mine... 
Jun 19 02:14:54 <dyoung-zzzz> if you google i2c servo controller, the first hit is http://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/shop/Servo_Controllers2070.htm
Jun 19 02:15:09 <NAiL> He wants to test programming stuff on the AeroSlug. He could probably get me heaps of stuff like that, working for atmel and all...
Jun 19 02:19:29 <NAiL> ah, nice... they've got a i2c interface for my LCD. Beats the heck out of adding a lpt port inside the slug
Jun 19 02:29:54 <dyoung-zzzz> there a few USB Servo Controllers around too.
Jun 19 02:30:09 <dyoung-zzzz> but if youre not shy about soldering, the i2c ones will be cheaper.
Jun 19 02:30:22 <dyoung-zzzz> like 5x less.
Jun 19 02:35:47 <NAiL> Nah, can solder. 
Jun 19 02:36:57 <dyoung-zzzz> Wait, didnt you already cut out the side of your slug to put a parallel LCD in?
Jun 19 02:42:18 <NAiL> dyoung-zzzz: Yeah, but that's just the space for the LCD itself. I'll use the same lcd, only with a i2c controller instead of a usb->lpt converter
Jun 19 02:42:59 <NAiL> I'm gonna buy meself 4-5 new slugs anyways
Jun 19 02:43:34 <dyoung-zzzz> "Thank you for choosing SlugAir."
Jun 19 02:43:51 <NAiL> It's a brilliant platform :D
Jun 19 02:43:53 <rwhitby-away> Please fasten your SlugBelts
Jun 19 02:44:28 <NAiL> Please return your slugs to their upright position?
Jun 19 02:50:09 <NAiL> hmm.. anybody got ideas for low power storage with lots of capacity?
Jun 19 02:50:28 <NAiL> I guess I can buy a bunch of thumbdrives and a usb hub...
Jun 19 02:51:08 <dyoung-zzzz> heh, dont you want to fly hard drives?
Jun 19 02:51:21 <dyoung-zzzz> "Please spin down for landing"
Jun 19 02:51:32 <dyoung-zzzz> if you can work that out, you'll be a hero.
Jun 19 02:53:11 <NAiL> spinning down usb-drives?
Jun 19 02:57:57 <NAiL> ah, yes... that was the question I had not yet found an answer to. Anyone know if it's possible to connect the RC reciever to the slug in any way?
Jun 19 02:58:16 <dyoung-zzzz> usb-serial ?
Jun 19 03:18:57 <mr_claus> whats happening with openembedded and bitkeeper if in future all developer need a valid license of bitkeeper?
Jun 19 03:31:47 <rwhitby-away> mr_claus: that would be a question for the #oe channel.
Jun 19 03:32:10 <rwhitby-away> we're just gonna do whatever they do, and if they don't do anything and we get stuck, then we have a svn repo on standby.
Jun 19 03:33:13 <mr_claus> rwhitby-away: ok, i thought you have more informations about the things the oe devs want to do perhaps
Jun 19 03:33:55 <rwhitby-away> nope - it's worth you asking on #oe, we haven't asked for quite a while
Jun 19 03:34:22 <mr_claus> ok
Jun 19 03:55:28 <mr_claus> while starting the openslug compile bb cannot find quilt_savannah.nongnu.org_VER_0_39_.tar.gz
Jun 19 04:04:58 <mr_claus> hmm, should OE not downloads that package
Jun 19 04:05:05 <mr_claus> no error while downloading
Jun 19 04:05:18 <mr_claus> but no package there
Jun 19 04:22:22 <mr_claus> NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39: started
Jun 19 04:22:22 <mr_claus> NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39-r0: task do_fetch: started
Jun 19 04:22:22 <mr_claus> NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39-r0: task do_fetch: completed
Jun 19 04:22:22 <mr_claus> NOTE: package quilt-native-0.39-r0: task do_unpack: started
Jun 19 04:22:36 <mr_claus> it should be downloaded but it's not there
Jun 19 04:32:28 <rwhitby> Looks like we need to start reading up on Monotone.
Jun 19 04:38:11 <mr_claus> hmm but much better as bitkeeper, i have no version of bitkeeper available and have to use the OE snapshots which are not working here
Jun 19 05:34:19 <NAiL> Who was reading up on FPGA a while back?
Jun 19 05:43:34 <NAiL> rwhitby: That bird we're going to build looks like it's going to be rrather large. Currently we're looking at 7-8 meters wingspan. Any larger projects involving the slug? ;)
Jun 19 06:09:10 <Tiersten> lamer11191864036/nslu2-irc: What are you doing?
Jun 19 06:13:07 <mr_claus> rwhitby: to enable ACL ext3 support for unslung or openslug is only changing openembedded/packages/linux/unslung-kernel/defconfig?
Jun 19 06:13:25 <mr_claus> rwhitby: including CONFIG_EXT3_POSIX=ACL=y?
Jun 19 06:14:11 <rwhitby> mr_claus: but what effect does that have on linksys compatibility?
Jun 19 06:15:00 <mr_claus> rwhitby: i dont know, i think there is no effect because it is a transparent ext3 extension which has to be activated while mounting
Jun 19 06:15:10 <mr_claus> rwhitby: you can use acl's but you dont have to use it if the fs is mounted with acl support
Jun 19 06:15:21 <mr_claus> rwhitby: but the question was for unslung and/or openslug
Jun 19 06:15:36 <mr_claus> rwhitby: it was a generally build system question
Jun 19 06:16:14 <rwhitby> mr_claus: is it a module, or does it have to be always compiled in?  If the latter, how big is it?
Jun 19 06:16:31 <rwhitby> on the build question, the answer is yes.
Jun 19 06:16:59 <mr_claus> rwhitby: i will check these things .....
Jun 19 06:17:20 <mr_claus> rwhitby: it has to be compiled in, it is not a module
Jun 19 06:18:13 <mr_claus> rwhitby: the acl.o on my system is 8188 bytes
Jun 19 06:18:31 <rwhitby> mr_claus: need the zImage size before and after
Jun 19 06:18:50 <mr_claus> rwhitby: ok, i will check it
Jun 19 06:18:55 <rwhitby> we have a 1MB limit for kernel size for redboot slugs
Jun 19 06:20:04 <mr_claus> rwhitby: it should be really small, but i think there is a thing which has to be checked
Jun 19 06:20:32 <rwhitby> ok
Jun 19 06:20:48 <mr_claus> the commands of busybox will not support it, so while copying from one disk to another could loose the access rights
Jun 19 06:21:10 <mr_claus> its working of course but the copy will not contain the access rights of the original file perhaps
Jun 19 06:21:11 <Tiersten> Isn't this more of a feature for OpenSlug?
Jun 19 06:21:39 <mr_claus> depends on what the cp command will do here
Jun 19 06:21:47 <Tiersten> It doesn't fit in with the Unslung feature set because the rest of Unslung and the Linksys binaries don't support it
Jun 19 06:26:21 <mr_claus> Tiersten: that could be, i need to check it
Jun 19 06:42:27 <mr_claus> hmm, openslug could be smaller if using uclibc instead of glibc, but probably OE is only working with glibc out of the box
Jun 19 06:43:46 <rwhitby> Tiersten: that's what I would think too
Jun 19 06:44:14 <rwhitby> mr_claus: OpenSlug is designed to work with either uclibc or glibc
Jun 19 06:44:26 <rwhitby> (but we release glibc by default)
Jun 19 06:44:32 <mr_claus> rwhitby: ok, then i have to look into
Jun 19 06:45:26 <rwhitby> night all
Jun 19 06:45:29 <Tiersten> Night
Jun 19 06:46:39 <mr_claus> n8
Jun 19 07:06:28 <GenX> greetings all, looking at flashing to 5.5 from 2.3R25/Unslung 3.18. In the readme 2-b) sees Click 'Enter the Maintenance Mode' before using web interface......
Jun 19 07:06:37 <GenX> I just can't see it
Jun 19 07:06:51 <GenX> I have Administration | Upgrade
Jun 19 07:07:06 <GenX> with "Exit Maintenance Mode" but I haven't done anything consciously to enable it
Jun 19 07:07:13 <GenX> greatful for any thoughts
Jun 19 07:11:53 <mr_claus> GenX: i would use the sercomm utility to upgrade the box
Jun 19 07:12:31 <GenX> thanks, reading up now
Jun 19 07:20:20 <GenX> is it just me, or there some type of speed increase between 3.18 and 5.5 ?
Jun 19 07:20:23 <GenX> just an illusion ?
Jun 19 08:32:41 <jbowler-zzz> mr_claus: the extended attributes are per-file-system-type and, so far as I know, jffs2 does not support them
Jun 19 08:33:49 <jbowler-zzz> It's possible to build ext?, reiserfs and NFS with extended attributes (and probably resier4), and one of the kernel builds checked in for openslug (nslu2-kernel 2.6.12) has the support.
Jun 19 08:34:23 <jbowler-zzz> Because openslug keeps all the file system support apart from jffs2 in modules the kernel size is not an issue.
Jun 19 12:30:22 <mr_claus> jbowler-away: i will check the default openslug firmware out and then i try some things i want to do, first i need to get the buildsystem of openslug running
Jun 19 12:30:23 <mr_claus> bbl
Jun 19 12:41:12 <jeanfabrice> 
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Jun 19 13:38:33 <AdamBaker> Hi - is there anyone around who wants to admit any responsibility for the coreutils package in unslung? I've hit a program name clash again.
Jun 19 15:29:43 <rwhitby-away> AdamBaker: whenever we release a replacement package for something in coreutils, we have a choice - either remove it from coreutils, or use the update-alternatives functionality.
Jun 19 15:30:17 <rwhitby-away> See php-apache and php-thttpd for an example of using update-alternatives
Jun 19 17:36:35 <CIA-3> 03jbowler * r49 10/trunk/openslug/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
Jun 19 17:36:35 <CIA-3> Changes to Makefile to allow the environment to be stripped from
Jun 19 17:36:35 <CIA-3> the build (i.e. the users environment is set to nothing - this is
Jun 19 17:36:35 <CIA-3> a separate 'failsafe' target)
Jun 19 17:36:35 <CIA-3> Script to copy a bktree to the svn tree (untested)
Jun 19 17:36:35 <CIA-3> Ignore bkclone directory
Jun 19 17:36:37 <CIA-3> Change bitbake rev to the latest
Jun 19 17:43:55 <NAiL> ~seen voodooZ
Jun 19 17:43:56 <jbot> voodooz <~Stephane6@CPE00c0f021712c-CM014110003785.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 150d 22h 25m 28s ago, saying: 'Anybody ever heard if any of those PCMCIA-to-USB cards work under linux? (I'm too broke to upgrade my portable :( )'.
Jun 19 17:44:16 <NAiL> uh... yeah... right...
Jun 19 17:44:31 <dyoung-zzzz> ~seen VoodooZ_away
Jun 19 17:44:32 <jbot> voodooz_away <~Stephane6@CPE00c0f021712c-CM014110003785.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 192d 15m 32s ago, saying: 'Do you know what changes rwhitby made to the nslu2-packages-symlink repo?'.
Jun 19 17:44:39 <NAiL> haha
Jun 19 17:45:12 <NAiL> hmm..
Jun 19 17:45:19 <NAiL> ~seen voodooZ_log
Jun 19 17:45:20 <jbot> voodooz_log is currently on #openjtag (20h 56m 27s) #nslu2-linux (20h 56m 27s)
Jun 19 17:48:57 <Tiersten> NAiL: It was sometime around the start of june the last time I saw him say anything in my logs
Jun 19 17:50:34 <NAiL> ok
Jun 19 17:51:36 <jacques> ~seen voodooz_work
Jun 19 17:51:37 <jbot> voodooz_work <~VoodooZ@CPE00c0f021712c-CM014110003785.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #nslu2-linux, 18d 11h 11m 46s ago, saying: 'wow! the elphel search gave good stuff. That company has nice articles'.
Jun 19 17:52:03 <jacques> problem is he talks in #openslug now, and there's no bot there
Jun 19 17:52:48 <jacques> he said something in there earlier today or yesterday
Jun 19 18:08:49 <CIA-3> 03jbowler * r50 10/trunk/openslug/ (461 files in 245 dirs): 
Jun 19 18:08:49 <CIA-3> Commit OpenSlug-2.0-beta to the svn trunk.
Jun 19 18:08:49 <CIA-3> Slight fixes to copyclone
Jun 19 20:54:31 <CIA-3> 03jbowler * r51 10/trunk/openslug/nslu2-linux/packages/ (unionfs vim): Bring symlinks up to date
Jun 19 20:55:52 <NAiL> hmm.. Would it be hard to get a watchdog to toggle a gpio pin if the slug dies?
Jun 19 20:57:23 <NAiL> Would be kind of useful in SlugAir, in case the slug dies the plane doesn't go down but transfers control to "manual"
Jun 19 21:06:00 <NAiL> Anyone with experience with GPS by the way? Is it possible to get an altitude reading relative to the terrain? Getting meters above sea level isn't always useful when flying ;)
Jun 19 21:06:41 <jacques> how would that work?
Jun 19 21:07:21 <jacques> if you had a terrain map and knew altitude above sea level, you could compute it, but I don't know how else you think it could work
Jun 19 21:08:41 <NAiL> Getting a terrain map shouldn't be too hard, and from what I have seen, that includes altitude. But dunno if there is software available that'll do it for me... 
Jun 19 21:08:44 * NAiL googles
Jun 19 21:36:39 <NAiL> ka6sox: Mirror is up, in case you didn't know. 
Jun 19 21:36:52 <ka6sox> NAiL, thanks!
Jun 19 21:36:55 <NAiL> np
Jun 19 21:37:03 <ka6sox> time for NWN
Jun 19 21:37:07 <NAiL> hehe
Jun 19 21:37:24 <NAiL> Working on RC plane design here :D
Jun 19 21:37:41 <ka6sox> fun!
Jun 19 21:37:51 <NAiL> AeroSlug Mark I 
Jun 19 21:38:01 <ka6sox> :)
Jun 19 21:38:40 <jacques> oh yeah? I'n gonna put a slug in a rocket
Jun 19 21:38:48 <jacques> sluuuuugs in spaaaaaaace!!
Jun 19 21:38:49 <NAiL> heheh
Jun 19 21:38:50 <jacques> :-D
Jun 19 21:38:55 <ka6sox> :)
Jun 19 21:39:14 <NAiL> Looks like it's gonna be a DC-3. It's gonna be big and heavy ;)
Jun 19 21:39:16 <jacques> we need a slug satellite
Jun 19 21:39:16 <ka6sox> video camera to slug interface with a CF stick.
Jun 19 21:39:50 <NAiL> ka6sox: Actually, we're fitting a 1.8" 40GB disk if we can figure out how to make it spin down on takeoff/landing
Jun 19 21:39:55 <ka6sox> SlugSat
Jun 19 21:40:29 <ka6sox> :)
Jun 19 21:40:38 <ka6sox> back after a bit (like 1.5hrs)
Jun 19 21:40:46 <NAiL> have fun :)
Jun 19 21:41:39 <jacques> NAiL, what are you going to use the disk for? recording video ?
Jun 19 21:42:14 <NAiL> jacques: That too, yes
Jun 19 21:42:27 <jacques> neat
Jun 19 21:42:33 <NAiL> If I find a solution to GPS/Altitude, the maps will be stored there as well
Jun 19 21:42:47 <jacques> where are you? can I come watch it fly?
Jun 19 21:42:54 <NAiL> I'm in Norway
Jun 19 21:42:58 <jacques> oh :-(
Jun 19 21:43:06 <NAiL> And it probably won't be finished until next summer
Jun 19 21:43:06 <jacques> well fly it over to the US
Jun 19 21:43:19 <NAiL> hehe, fit it with a huge tank, and I could do that ;)
Jun 19 21:43:31 <jacques> oh yeah, the fuel problem
Jun 19 21:44:11 <jacques> well, if a full sized plane can do it, why can't a scale model?  ;-)
Jun 19 21:44:16 <NAiL> The transmitter range isn't a big problem, since I can tell it to go to gps coordinates. It will try as best as it can to get there in one piece ;)
Jun 19 21:44:33 <jacques> lol I can see it now
Jun 19 21:44:52 <jacques> "Sir, we have something on radar - looks about the size of a missile, it appears to be GPS-guided"
Jun 19 21:44:57 <NAiL> I'm considering putting a GPRS module in the plane as well... Enable me to send commands to the plane when it's out of normal transmitter range :D
Jun 19 21:45:39 <NAiL> The current design will probably allow for around eight hours of flight
Jun 19 21:46:08 <jacques> wow!
Jun 19 21:46:22 <jacques> you could make it!  well... how fast does it go?
Jun 19 21:46:40 <NAiL> 8 hours, ~80mph... 320 miles range (Has to fly back as well ;)
Jun 19 21:47:19 <jacques> what is your transmitter range?
Jun 19 21:47:49 <NAiL> If I'm lucky, I guess I can get it up to 10 miles
Jun 19 21:48:16 <NAiL> (transmitter)
Jun 19 21:48:51 <NAiL> You don't have to be here to see it fly, you know. I can record a bit of video and put on the 'net
Jun 19 21:50:09 <NAiL> If my Atmel guy can dig up some spare parts, I'll have a couple of mpeg2-encoders on board
Jun 19 21:50:20 <jacques> I would love to see that :-)
Jun 19 21:50:20 <NAiL> Which means I can record *ages* of video
Jun 19 21:50:48 <jacques> sounds like an excellent project
Jun 19 21:51:02 <NAiL> I think so too :D
Jun 19 21:51:29 <NAiL> My biggest problem right now is trying not to stuff too much electronics in the plane
Jun 19 21:51:37 <jacques> heh
Jun 19 21:51:54 <jacques> yeah because you have to carry the batteries to run it all
Jun 19 21:52:14 <NAiL> Yeah. Thought about using a generator actually :P
Jun 19 21:52:31 <jacques> powered from the engines?
Jun 19 21:52:33 <NAiL> But the electronics doesn't require that much electricity so far
Jun 19 21:52:39 <NAiL> yeah
Jun 19 21:53:23 <NAiL> So far the peak power consumption is somewhere around 1600mAh
Jun 19 21:54:05 <NAiL> But it looks like we're gonna stuff a lot of 39g 2000mAh LiPol packs in there
Jun 19 21:54:14 <NAiL> They're small, and lightweight
Jun 19 21:55:08 <NAiL> One concern is what to do if the slug crashes :P
Jun 19 21:57:19 <jacques> do like the space shuttle
Jun 19 21:57:26 <jacques> have three (or five)
Jun 19 21:57:26 <NAiL> explode?
Jun 19 21:57:30 <jacques> :-\
Jun 19 21:57:33 <NAiL> hehe
Jun 19 21:57:53 <NAiL> Nah. I'll trust the slug doesn't die permanently, only possible crash
Jun 19 21:58:14 <jacques> write good code then :-) and it won't crash
Jun 19 21:58:26 <NAiL> If I can get the watchdog to switch off a gpio-pin, I can get something else to cycle the slug
Jun 19 21:58:56 <NAiL> Which reminds me... I'll probably want APEX on that slug. Rebooting the slug in mid-air can't be a very time-consuming process :P
Jun 19 21:59:50 <NAiL> I'm not doing the coding actually. A guy from Atmel is going to write all that. He's a better programmer than me 
Jun 19 22:00:38 <kergoth> avrs?
Jun 19 22:01:00 <NAiL> He's promised me a bunch of 'em. I haven't looked into what I actually can do with them
Jun 19 22:01:20 <kergoth> cool
Jun 19 22:02:01 <NAiL> I'll probably find out more about the avrs later today when he gets back from work
Jun 19 22:02:04 <jacques> have two slugs, then one can run while the other reboots :-)
Jun 19 22:02:27 <NAiL> Yeah, I am considering using a backupslug
Jun 19 22:02:47 <NAiL> Think that might be a bit overkill though... 
Jun 19 22:02:51 * kergoth really likes avrs
Jun 19 22:03:03 <NAiL> kergoth: What are they, in brief?
Jun 19 22:04:07 <kergoth> just 8 bit microcontrollers, usually with IOs, sometimes with onboard flash, etc.  they support in circuit programming, a breeze to flash the new code onto them, and easy to work with.  gcc supports targeting the avr, and theres a linux C library for them ;)
Jun 19 22:04:10 <NAiL> I know they're gonna tape a new avr by the end of next mothn... He said it might be worth taking a look at
Jun 19 22:04:16 <kergoth> cool
Jun 19 22:05:09 <NAiL> not the most powerful though?
Jun 19 22:05:50 <kergoth> depends on your needs, naturally.  i havent compared their performance to the alternatives much, so couldnt really say a whole lot in that regard
Jun 19 22:06:07 <kergoth> bleh
Jun 19 22:07:21 <NAiL> hmm... Can't think of an easy way to have a redunda-slug
Jun 19 22:07:54 <NAiL> hm... maybe I can.
Jun 19 22:08:08 <NAiL> it doesn't need access to the hdd
Jun 19 22:09:45 <NAiL> duplicating the inputs shouldn't be too hard, and it shouldn't attempt to do anything unless it doesn't recieve a heartbeat from the primary slug. Which is easy, since they can be networked :)
Jun 19 22:10:38 <NAiL> jacques: I think it'll be a redunda-slug 
Jun 19 22:11:07 <jacques> :-)
Jun 19 22:11:38 <dyoung-zzzz> fromunda slug?
Jun 19 22:12:09 * NAiL didn't get it
Jun 19 22:15:16 <NAiL> But since the redunda-slug only needs the vital io, it can run from a flash-stick. With slightly different programming it should be able to "recover" from a failure in the primary systems :P
Jun 19 22:15:26 <NAiL> Might even send an S.O.S over gprs :P
Jun 19 22:16:25 <jacques> limp-home mode
Jun 19 22:17:02 <NAiL> Climb to presumably-safe altitude and head to starting coordinates or something
Jun 19 22:18:08 <NAiL> hmm... a cellphone weighs in at ~10g without antenna... Wouldn't be a bad idea for emergencies
Jun 19 22:18:21 <NAiL> I suspect this plane is gonna cost a bit.
Jun 19 22:18:54 <NAiL> haha
Jun 19 22:19:11 <NAiL> I can get a gprs module that'll run j2me
Jun 19 22:19:31 <NAiL> Another cpu to play with :P
Jun 19 22:20:13 <NAiL> ok.. it's time to go to bed before I start getting any more wild ideaas. It's 07:20 here
Jun 19 22:20:50 * NAiL wanders off to dream of advanced RC avionics (or whatever it's called)
Jun 19 22:22:03 <jacques> morning rwhitby-web 
Jun 19 22:22:44 <rwhitby-web> g'day
Jun 19 22:31:35 <eno-away> i can't seem to get the correct md5sum for Unslung-5.5-beata
Jun 19 22:32:03 <rwhitby-web> what do you mean by "get"?
Jun 19 22:32:21 <eno-away> md5sum Unslung-5.5-beta.bin 
Jun 19 22:32:23 <eno-away> 6107707a1f7982e72fc581891de71856  Unslung-5.5-beta.bin
Jun 19 22:32:32 <eno-away> md5sum Unslung-5.5-beta-firmware.zip 
Jun 19 22:32:32 <eno-away> b3fdbe707440e7017ba4a3937df93bde  Unslung-5.5-beta-firmware.zip
Jun 19 22:32:41 <rwhitby-web> did you download that or build it?
Jun 19 22:32:47 <eno-away> neither one match the one on the web page
Jun 19 22:32:50 <eno-away> downloaded
Jun 19 22:34:13 <rwhitby-web> I wonder if ka6sox updated the md5 when he uploaded the fixed zip with the correctly named binary ...
Jun 19 22:35:17 <jacques> no, it's fine - md5sum is overrated - install it - what's the worst that could happen?
Jun 19 22:35:25 <dyoung-zzzz> Slugarmy
Jun 19 22:35:29 <dyoung-zzzz> :-)
Jun 19 22:35:35 <jacques> bwahh ha ha ha HAAAA!
Jun 19 22:36:00 <eno-away> ok, that could be the case. But can you confirm that the md5sum is ok?
Jun 19 22:36:21 <rwhitby-web> I can't from here, no.  But someone else should be able to.
Jun 19 22:37:24 <eno-away> i'll go ahead and install it. Someone needs to fix the MD5 on the web site
Jun 19 22:37:54 <dyoung-zzzz> dyoung@hornet:~> md5sum Unslung-5.5-beta.bin 
Jun 19 22:37:54 <dyoung-zzzz> 6107707a1f7982e72fc581891de71856  Unslung-5.5-beta.bin
Jun 19 22:38:04 <jacques> thanks dyoung-zzzz ;-)
Jun 19 22:38:12 <dyoung-zzzz> thats what I see with the actual download file.
Jun 19 22:38:16 <dyoung-zzzz> (ie: on the server)
Jun 19 22:38:37 <dyoung-zzzz> but you know SlugArmy commanders may have the ability to change that. :-)
Jun 19 22:39:16 <jacques> shhhh
Jun 19 22:40:08 <jacques> lol I can't believe that nobody's figured out the *real* reason slug load is always at least 1.0
Jun 19 22:40:32 <dyoung-zzzz> eh?
Jun 19 22:40:44 <dyoung-zzzz> did I miss soething?
Jun 19 22:40:49 <jacques> it's the slugarmy processing
Jun 19 22:41:07 <dyoung-zzzz> Ooh yeah....
Jun 19 22:41:22 <jacques> wait - oops what channel is this
Jun 19 22:41:29 <jacques> that was just a joke folks
Jun 19 22:41:33 <jacques> there is no slugarmy
Jun 19 22:41:40 <dyoung-zzzz> Whenever I see "slugarmy" I hear the old space invaders theme song.
Jun 19 22:41:56 <jacques> it had a theme song?
Jun 19 22:42:08 <jacques> I thought it was just "dit dit dit dit"
Jun 19 22:42:14 <jacques> ditditditdit
Jun 19 22:42:18 <jacques> boom!
Jun 19 22:42:33 <dyoung-zzzz> yeah, jhut jhut jhut jhut jh-jh-jh-jh-jh BOOM
Jun 19 22:43:20 <jacques> we categorically denie the existence of a so-called "slug army"
Jun 19 22:43:26 <jacques> deny that is
Jun 19 22:43:29 <dyoung-zzzz> Whats a slug army?
Jun 19 22:43:39 <dyoung-zzzz> I dont know why that came out of my mouth.
Jun 19 22:43:50 <jacques> slug whattie?
Jun 19 22:43:55 <jacques> huh?
Jun 19 22:44:15 <rwhitby-web> ?
Jun 19 22:44:24 <rwhitby-web> .
Jun 19 22:44:26 <rwhitby-web>  
Jun 19 22:44:33 <jacques> lol
Jun 19 22:44:45 <jacques> ¿
Jun 19 22:45:09 <jacques> que¿
Jun 19 22:45:55 <dyoung-zzzz> Looks like the Slug Army Got 'im. :-)
Jun 19 22:46:16 <jacques> the what whattie what who?
Jun 19 22:46:24 <jacques> remember the smurfs?
Jun 19 22:46:29 <dyoung-zzzz> la la la la la la.
Jun 19 22:46:32 <dyoung-zzzz> la la la la la
Jun 19 22:46:40 <jacques> they used the word "slurf" for just about everything
Jun 19 22:46:44 <jacques> sMurf
Jun 19 22:47:18 <jacques> and there was only one girl...  oh well, don't go there
Jun 19 22:47:38 <dyoung-zzzz> hehe back in the old days, I used to play around with this one chat system that used to sanitize bad language.  F*ck got re-written as Smurf.
Jun 19 22:47:53 <jacques> one of my old channels I liked to put in the topic "rated PG-13 for language and mild violence"
Jun 19 22:48:05 <jacques> lol
Jun 19 22:48:15 <dyoung-zzzz> ~lart dyoung-zzzz
Jun 19 22:48:15 * jbot farts in dyoung-zzzz's general direction
Jun 19 22:48:26 <jacques> actually I think it was "mild fantasy violence"
Jun 19 22:48:29 <dyoung-zzzz> hmm, that wasnt the violence I was expecting.
Jun 19 22:48:45 <jacques> hmm now we have to add something else to the warning "crude humor"
Jun 19 22:50:13 * jacques just made #slugarmy
Jun 19 22:50:54 * jacques goes to make an avocado and cheddar sandwich.
Jun 19 22:57:43 <mr_claus> morning
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