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Aug 07 00:17:51 <jacques> that's not right
Aug 07 00:18:07 <jacques> ah, it's UTC
Aug 07 00:18:09 <rwhitby-treo> depends where you are :-)
Aug 07 00:19:00 <rwhitby-treo> jbowler around?
Aug 07 00:23:04 <rwhitby> dropped out
Aug 07 02:15:57 <[cc]smart> do we have a tool in openslug with which changing nvram configuration settings is possible ?
Aug 07 02:16:11 <dyoung> nvram?
Aug 07 02:16:14 <dyoung> what nvram?
Aug 07 02:16:33 <dyoung> or do you mean the sysconf partition?
Aug 07 04:33:32 <QF_> quit
Aug 07 04:33:34 <QF_> exit
Aug 07 05:03:03 <[cc]smart> yes, i'm looking for a tool to edit settings in the sysconf. is there one ?
Aug 07 05:03:41 <NAiL> It's possible to do with some devio magic on openslug
Aug 07 05:04:16 <rwhitby> [cc]smart: flash stock firmware temporarily :-)
Aug 07 05:05:14 <ingeba> [cc]smart: Isn't it possible using the MTD tools?
Aug 07 05:14:03 <peteru-home> theoretical question: what is the stance on commercial use of unslung? in particular, someone reselling NSLU2 hardware already pre-installed with certain packages to achieve a particular task?
Aug 07 05:15:16 <ingeba> peteru-home: GPL isn't it? Same applies.
Aug 07 05:15:16 <peteru-home> I got asked this in a forum - a user is interested in an unslung puppy box, but he wants someone else to do the work.
Aug 07 05:15:27 <rwhitby> peteru-home: here's the deal.  If it's unslung unchanged firmware image (from a released binary image) and just some ipkg commands executed before delivery, then it can be called "Unslung firmware".  It must talk to the official feeds and be updateable from those feeds like a normal Unslung binary image is.
Aug 07 05:16:17 <rwhitby> If it's a different image installed, or it ipkg updates from different feeds, then it must be called something different from an official nslu2-linux firmware name.
Aug 07 05:16:41 <peteru-home> ingeba: I know the GPL licensing implications, I am more concerned about the ethical side of things. If someone is going to do this, I want people to feel good about it, not like someone is ripping the unslung deveopers off.
Aug 07 05:17:37 <rwhitby> peteru-home: if it's Unslung firmware, then we consider it no different from it someone downloaded and installed it themselves.  Basically, you're getting paid for the service of pre-installing official firmware for them, and everyone's cool with that.
Aug 07 05:17:55 <peteru-home> rwhitby: Good point, I wasn't even thinking about the nomenclature, but it certainly behooves to not mis-identify the product.
Aug 07 05:17:57 <NAiL> I was going to say the same
Aug 07 05:18:06 <ingeba> peteru-home: Fair enough. If someone gets filthy rich selling Unslunged boxes, some donations may be in order. If we're playing the GPL game, we're playing the the GPL game.
Aug 07 05:18:07 <rwhitby> if it's something different from official Unslung firmware, then we need to talk about support channels and such ...
Aug 07 05:18:56 <rwhitby> ingeba: actually if someone gets rich selling Unslunged boxes, then more power to them.  we do not require anything from them.
Aug 07 05:19:08 <ingeba> rwhitby: Agree
Aug 07 05:19:15 <peteru-home> I seriously can't see a market for this that would even sustain my internet connection :-)
Aug 07 05:19:21 <rwhitby> :-)
Aug 07 05:20:25 <rwhitby> peteru-home: can you write this discussion up in http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/Licensing - make it general enough so that it is not specific to Unslung, but applies to any nslu2-linux firmware products.
Aug 07 05:20:55 <rwhitby> Please write it up as if you were the person setting the rules, and then we will review and make any changes required.
Aug 07 05:22:08 <peteru-home> rwhitby: Can I quote this as the official unslung stance? "If it's Unslung firmware, then we consider it no different from it someone downloaded and installed it themselves.  Basically, you're getting paid for the service of pre-installing official firmware for them, and everyone's cool with that. If someone gets filthy rich selling Unslunged boxes, some donations may be in order. If we're playing the GPL game, we're playing the th
Aug 07 05:22:08 <peteru-home> e GPL game. If it's something different from official Unslung firmware, then we need to talk about support channels and such ..."
Aug 07 05:22:14 <peteru-home> Doh!
Aug 07 05:22:31 <peteru-home> Ok, I'll fix the wiki, let you review it, then post the response to the Topfield forums...
Aug 07 05:22:47 <rwhitby> peteru-home: remove the donations and GPL game sentence
Aug 07 05:24:00 <ingeba> rwhitby: peteru-home was talking about ethics and feelings, not law.
Aug 07 05:24:16 <rwhitby> if it's different from Unslung, then (a) it must be clearly marked in all places (including the contents of /.unslung, but not the name of .unslung or /unslung; and the web interface) as something different from Unslung.
Aug 07 05:24:36 <rwhitby> ingeba: yep, so that will go on a different page, not the licensing page
Aug 07 05:26:32 <rwhitby> and it's not a guaranteed assumption that we would prefer donations.  We may prefer them to make sure that one of their staff mans the nslu2-general mailing list and answers newbie questions for instance ...
Aug 07 05:27:21 <rwhitby> peteru-home: have you seen the zd1211 and rt2500 wireless usb devices?  We're trying to get them to work with Unslung and OpenSlug, so you can just plug a usb 802.11g dongle into the slug to make it wireless.
Aug 07 05:31:59 <peteru-home> See what you think of this version http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/Licensing
Aug 07 05:32:46 <peteru-home> are they like the Zigbees?
Aug 07 05:33:11 <rwhitby> no, normal 802.11g dongles
Aug 07 05:34:07 <rwhitby> e.g. http://www.staticice.com.au/cgi-bin/search.cgi?q=wl-167g
Aug 07 05:36:03 <peteru-home> I wish this was on the market and working 6 months ago.
Aug 07 05:36:30 <rwhitby> http://ralink.rapla.net/
Aug 07 05:36:49 <peteru-home> Still more expensive than a wgt634u, but usnlung/openslug makes a better platform.
Aug 07 05:37:11 <rwhitby> http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
Aug 07 05:37:52 <rwhitby> seems that the ralink company is providing source code to the open source linux driver developers
Aug 07 05:38:24 <[cc]smart> i'd like to suggest to remove the statix displays of hostname, MAC and network config method from motd.
Aug 07 05:39:01 <[cc]smart> what do you think ?
Aug 07 05:39:20 <rwhitby> [cc]smart: I think you might want to note which firmware you're talking about :-)
Aug 07 05:39:22 <peteru-home> rwhitby: Can I point the Topfield readers to the wiki Main/Licensing page?
Aug 07 05:39:30 <[cc]smart> :) openslug
Aug 07 05:39:49 <rwhitby> peteru-home: point me to the thread first :-)
Aug 07 05:42:53 <peteru-home> http://www.topfield-australia.com.au/frm/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2783
Aug 07 05:47:31 <rwhitby> peteru-home: I'll reply if you like?
Aug 07 05:48:15 <peteru-home> Yep, this way there's clear position from both puppy and unslung point of view.
Aug 07 05:48:25 <peteru-home> I just posted my speel
Aug 07 05:48:59 <rwhitby> oooh - I better put a donate button in too :-)
Aug 07 05:49:46 <zin> hi, when make build-optware-nslu2, can I just build one of the packages that I want?
Aug 07 05:50:52 <zin> instead of starting with 'abook'...
Aug 07 05:54:30 <[cc]smart> i've read there were changes applied to kernel space (?) does this mean one should not use tickadj anymore to set correct time increment ?
Aug 07 05:54:53 <NAiL> [cc]smart: That is the theory
Aug 07 05:55:04 <NAiL> afaik it hasn't been verified yet
Aug 07 05:56:14 <ingeba> zin: Yes - Go to optware and type "make mypackage-ipk"
Aug 07 05:56:49 <ingeba> zin: E.g. "make proftpd-ipk"
Aug 07 05:59:12 <zin> ah, ok
Aug 07 06:09:09 <rwhitby> peteru-home: reply posted on that thread
Aug 07 06:09:19 <zin> what is this 'staging' thing means?
Aug 07 06:10:26 <dyoung> its a staging area where target libraries are held for packages that rely on other packages for compliation
Aug 07 06:11:32 <zin> ok
Aug 07 06:20:25 <peteru-home> rwhitby: That looks pretty good. We both basically say the same thing,
Aug 07 06:20:42 <rwhitby> yeah
Aug 07 07:08:30 <blaster8> hmm - <string>:4: RuntimeWarning: tmpnam is a potential security risk to your program
Aug 07 07:08:47 <NAiL> kernel compile or something?
Aug 07 07:08:52 <blaster8> that's the one
Aug 07 07:09:05 <blaster8> after it started packaging the kernel
Aug 07 07:09:05 <ingeba> blaster8: We all get it.
Aug 07 07:09:52 <blaster8> good - glad to see its not just me
Aug 07 07:24:17 <blaster8> Has the changes to the kernel timer code filtered down into the Unslung source yet?
Aug 07 07:24:44 <blaster8> I know they've been committed to Openslug and UcSlugC
Aug 07 07:24:57 <NAiL> unlikely
Aug 07 07:25:13 <jbowler-zzz> There is no /etc/motd on a correctly installed openslug
Aug 07 07:25:29 <blaster8> sorry, you've lost me there
Aug 07 07:25:46 <jbowler-zzz> sorry, different thread.
Aug 07 07:25:53 <blaster8> thought so :)
Aug 07 07:26:23 <NAiL> jbowler-zzz: huh? I've got motd on both my slugs, recently flashed?
Aug 07 07:26:51 <jbowler-zzz> What does it contain?
Aug 07 07:27:04 <NAiL> Host ID:             00:0F:66:7F:62:2E
Aug 07 07:27:04 <NAiL> Network boot method: static
Aug 07 07:27:04 <NAiL> Host IP address:     10.0.0.45
Aug 07 07:27:06 <NAiL> etc
Aug 07 07:27:23 <jbowler-zzz> So you can see it isn't in the firmware...
Aug 07 07:27:34 <NAiL> huh?
Aug 07 07:27:48 <NAiL> Use 'turnup help' for more information
Aug 07 07:27:48 <NAiL> root@gunslinger:/etc# mount
Aug 07 07:27:48 <NAiL> /dev/mtdblock4 on / type jffs2 (rw,noatime)
Aug 07 07:27:51 <jbowler-zzz> It has numbers specific to your machine - so /etc/motd doesn't exist in the firmware.
Aug 07 07:28:02 <NAiL> ah, yes
Aug 07 07:28:07 <NAiL> it is *created* later
Aug 07 07:28:15 <NAiL> on boot, I presume
Aug 07 07:28:19 <jbowler-zzz> Then removed when the configuration is complete - or it should be.
Aug 07 07:29:11 <jbowler-zzz> I have a file (on /initrd) but it is empty, which is what I expect.  Likewise on my rootfs
Aug 07 07:29:15 <[cc]smart> Where would one put an OpenSlug Mailserver HOWTO ?
Aug 07 07:29:44 <jbowler-zzz> [cc]smart: i.e. no, work out why /etc/motd on your system still exists...
Aug 07 07:30:00 <NAiL> jbowler-zzz: mine has just booted, nothing else.
Aug 07 07:30:04 <[cc]smart> jbowler: hi
Aug 07 07:30:13 <[cc]smart> so motd should be dead by now ?
Aug 07 07:30:18 <jbowler-zzz> NAiL: right, so it whines at you every time to run "turnup init"...
Aug 07 07:30:47 <jbowler-zzz>  /etc/init.d/sysconfsetup?
Aug 07 07:31:23 <[cc]smart> and regarding bug #227, this has left my field of play
Aug 07 07:32:36 <jbowler-zzz> That's fine, someone will pick it up some time - we dropped postfix build from the 2.5 release.
Aug 07 07:32:44 <[cc]smart> er, turnup init ? for me that description in motd is more like a suggestion on what you may do if you screwed it....
Aug 07 07:33:24 <[cc]smart> at least i didn't take it as sth. you SHOULD do
Aug 07 07:34:49 <jbowler-zzz> ~nslu2-rules
Aug 07 07:34:49 <jbot> i guess nslu2-rules is 1) You must search the wiki before asking questions on IRC or mailing list. 2) You must follow the README steps precisely when flashing firmware. 3) Those who ask the questions, update the wiki with the answers. 4) Those who complain about doco, update the wiki to improve it. 5) Friends don't let friends flash custom firmware without ...
Aug 07 07:35:58 <[cc]smart> is that for me ?
Aug 07 07:37:12 <blaster8> [cc]smart: very interested in that HOWTO, btw
Aug 07 07:37:36 <[cc]smart> just looking for advice on where i should place it...
Aug 07 07:38:00 <[cc]smart> jbowler-zzz: was that nslu-rules for me ?
Aug 07 07:38:06 <blaster8> there are already some mail HOWTOs on the site - just put it with them I guess
Aug 07 07:38:36 <[cc]smart> well, the one differes a lot from the existing one except for the creation of cyrus account :9
Aug 07 07:38:54 <[cc]smart> and its' specific to openslug as far as i can tell, idon't use unslung so i don't know really though
Aug 07 07:39:30 <[cc]smart> but in any case i think mine should not replace the existing one and having two in the same area may be confusing
Aug 07 07:39:42 <[cc]smart> so i assume placing it somehwre beneath openslug might be the best choice
Aug 07 07:40:11 <[cc]smart> just don't really know where, and since someone has worked over openslug a lot and it's fine now i don't wnat to stir it up again :)
Aug 07 07:40:49 <jbowler-zzz> [cc]smart: yes: see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/UsingTheBinary and, in particular, the very last link on the page.
Aug 07 07:42:27 <[cc]smart> jbowler-zzz: listen, i'm playing with openslug quite a while and i'll probably not scan that whole page over and over while i know it from times when there was outdated stuff only on it. i don't know how much it improved, but i'll ask right away here if i think it's appropriate. i DO know what you want to say, but no i don't think it did apply.
Aug 07 07:42:51 <[cc]smart> i told about what motd said, and for what i get, it doesn't say the irght thing.
Aug 07 07:43:11 <[cc]smart> and no i will not go over this questio now
Aug 07 07:44:47 <[cc]smart> does somebody know what may have happend when all of a sudden monotone merge comes back with: no external 3-way merge command found ?
Aug 07 07:44:48 <jbowler-zzz> [cc]smart: that information was always there, pretty much.  What I'm saying here is that there is a set of information for users on the wiki and if a developer fails to read it or take notice of it and fails to update the wiki there is absolutely no hope of having a useable system.
Aug 07 07:45:22 <NAiL> [cc]smart: try export EDITOR="emacs" first 
Aug 07 07:46:10 <[cc]smart> i'm not really interested in that part right now, and it works allright for me. i do things manually, too. but from what you said above there, i had the impression i should mention that for what i get, /etc/motd does not say what somebody wanted it to say. no more, no less.
Aug 07 07:46:21 <kolla> emacs on slug? *shrug*
Aug 07 07:46:46 <kolla> *openshrug*
Aug 07 07:47:42 <ingeba> kolla: It works pretty well
Aug 07 07:47:57 <jbowler-zzz> [cc]smart: I started writing that page on June 20, I added the link to the "Initializing" page on June 21, one June 22 I added the following lines to the Initializing page:
Aug 07 07:48:09 <jbowler-zzz> If you wish to set up the password and network yourself the message displayed on log in can be eliminated by removing /etc/motd. turnup init will do this when it is run.
Aug 07 07:48:51 <kolla> ingeba: ok :)
Aug 07 07:49:05 <jbowler-zzz> I can't see how it can be any clearer other than by having me type on the keyboard for you.
Aug 07 07:49:26 <jbowler-zzz> Which I offer as a service for $250/hour plus expenses.
Aug 07 07:49:42 <[cc]smart> i'm talking about the content of /etc/motd, where it says: Use 'turnup init' to reset the configuration
Aug 07 07:49:43 <ingeba> kolla: Most people (read: me) had  the same reaction as you - then the package was made and it worked well.
Aug 07 07:49:44 <jbowler-zzz> BTW, I don't travel by airplane
Aug 07 07:50:13 <kolla> ingeba: cool
Aug 07 07:50:43 <jbowler-zzz> [cc]smart: are you saying that "turnup init" no longer resets the configuration?
Aug 07 07:50:43 <[cc]smart> and thanks, but as you might have guessed, i'm not ineterested
Aug 07 07:52:38 <[cc]smart> no, i'm saying that the best way of giving a user good information is to present it right where it is to be used when there is the possibility. just like typically configfiles and scripts contain comment.
Aug 07 07:52:58 <[cc]smart> this is tried to be done in /etc/motd, nut it didn't fully hit the target
Aug 07 07:53:06 <[cc]smart> s/nut/but/
Aug 07 07:53:21 <[cc]smart> which is my opinion certainly, with no need to accept it for yourself
Aug 07 07:55:03 <jbowler-zzz> [cc]smart: I'm not disagreeing with that, clear explanations in multiple places are good so long as they *all say the same thing*, what I'm saying is that you didn't read the instructions which you need to read to get these things right!
Aug 07 07:57:17 <[cc]smart> two things: a) as said i had the impression i should mention that for what i get, /etc/motd does not say what somebody wanted it to say. no more, no less.
Aug 07 07:57:48 <jbowler-zzz> Eh, well, ok, my apologies, I totally misunderstood your original words:
Aug 07 07:57:50 <jbowler-zzz> <[cc]smart> i'd like to suggest to remove the statix displays of hostname, MAC and network config method from motd.
Aug 07 07:57:50 <jbowler-zzz> <[cc]smart> what do you think ?
Aug 07 07:58:11 <[cc]smart> b) if i am to scan all that load of information out there about all the things i'm working with, my day is done. i will verify things when i run into trouble.
Aug 07 07:59:08 <[cc]smart> np
Aug 07 07:59:12 <[cc]smart> next topic :)
Aug 07 08:00:29 <[cc]smart> NAiL: my guess is you would be the most likely candidate for authoritive advice on where to place a howto :)
Aug 07 08:00:31 <jbowler-zzz> My general point is that, IMO, sauce for the goose(user) is source for the gander(developer) - we (the developers) can't quote ~nslu-rules to users unless we actually do those things ourselves.
Aug 07 08:01:15 <[cc]smart> i don't count meself as developer really, more like working on distro related polishing so to say.
Aug 07 08:02:12 <[cc]smart> but from a developers point of view, which role i also take from time to time, i do know that in this role, you typically are very concentrated on a tiny bit of the whole thing, where you know close to nothing about the overall thing and a load of detail on the part you are actually working on.
Aug 07 08:02:44 <[cc]smart> and this works quite allright
Aug 07 08:05:56 <NAiL> ~weather enva
Aug 07 08:05:59 <jbot> Trondheim / Vaernes, Norway; (ENVA) 63-28N 010-56E 17M; last updated: 2005.08.07 1420 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 77%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 60 F (16 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Light rain showers; Wind: from the N (010 degrees) at 6 MPH (5 KT) (direction ...
Aug 07 08:06:15 <NAiL> "Light rain showers". Bah.
Aug 07 08:06:32 <NAiL> The skies just decided to open
Aug 07 08:06:53 <NAiL> Visibility was closer to 500m ;)
Aug 07 08:07:32 <ingeba> NAiL: Life in Norway is hard and I guess we like it since we're still here?
Aug 07 08:07:49 <blaster8> are there any UcSlugC gurus around, btw?
Aug 07 08:08:17 <NAiL> ingeba: we're Vikings, I guess :P
Aug 07 08:09:20 <blaster8> just wondering whether PHP 4/5 builds under uclibc - one of the .conf files suggests there is a problem with it
Aug 07 08:09:48 <ingeba> NAiL: Yeah right. Forgot about it for a second. The gene that knocks out the pain center in the brain, isn't it?  It must be independent of the rape & pillage phenotype, at least I haven't noticed it.
Aug 07 08:09:57 <[cc]smart> oha, wiki now needs password
Aug 07 08:10:22 <NAiL> [cc]smart: certain pages require passwords
Aug 07 08:10:28 <NAiL> e.g., the howto page
Aug 07 08:11:22 <NAiL> is the howto itself done?
Aug 07 08:12:49 <[cc]smart> it's done by means of a first draft, which is expected to be usable but without polish
Aug 07 08:17:53 <[cc]smart> export EDITOR="vi" will not work... mumbling curses
Aug 07 08:18:14 <ingeba> [cc]smart: Yes, you need curses for vi...
Aug 07 08:18:38 <[cc]smart> :)
Aug 07 08:21:10 <[cc]smart> NAiL: so what should i do with the HOWTO ?
Aug 07 08:45:46 <CIA-9> 03ccsmart 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r5d7745cb... 10/packages/cyrus-imapd/files/volatiles: Change permissions to allow access to lmtp socket.
Aug 07 08:45:50 <CIA-9> 03ccsmart 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r465928d6... 10/packages/postfix/files/main.cf_2.0: Add LMTP transport for Cyrus IMAP.
Aug 07 08:54:52 <[cc]smart> decided to put it on openslug home so sbdy in the know can move it
Aug 07 09:23:33 <kfogel> Over in #commits, the nslu2-linux project has very interesting revision numbers, for example "r5d7745cb...".  They look like md5 sums prefixed by "r" perhaps?  What version control system are they from?
Aug 07 09:23:55 <malfi> montone
Aug 07 09:23:59 <kfogel> aaaah
Aug 07 09:24:00 <kfogel> thanks
Aug 07 09:50:07 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: promotions and demotions
Aug 07 10:09:49 <jbowler-zzz> blaster8: php doesn't build with uclibc, see ucslugc-packages.bb for any available information (I think it's just a case of 'doesn't build' rather than 'will never build').
Aug 07 10:11:15 <CIA-9> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/qemu-libc-i386.mk: fix bug #243; missing backslash in makefile
Aug 07 10:24:40 <blaster8> jbowler-zzz: I'm looking at php in the OpenWRT project to see if there are any clues
Aug 07 10:24:48 <blaster8> or, more helpfully, patched
Aug 07 10:24:53 <blaster8> --patches
Aug 07 10:37:49 <jp30> blaster8, you might look at the optware version of php, too.  i had to patch it in several places, perhaps one of those will resolve your problems. php works with optware/wl500g, which is uclibc based. on the slug, there are also issues with byte ordering which need patching (php's authors assumed that all arm is little endian)
Aug 07 10:44:41 <malfi> can anybody recommand a concrete 3.5" harddisk usb case?
Aug 07 10:46:50 <NAiL> I'm using icybox ones
Aug 07 10:46:54 <[cc]smart> never saw an HD case of concrete...
Aug 07 10:47:11 <NAiL> nah, mine is metal
Aug 07 10:47:38 <[cc]smart> good choice
Aug 07 10:57:39 <NAiL> ~weather enva
Aug 07 10:57:44 <jbot> Trondheim / Vaernes, Norway; (ENVA) 63-28N 010-56E 17M; last updated: 2005.08.07 1550 UTC; Dew Point: 53 F (12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.85 in. Hg (1011 hPa); Relative Humidity: 77%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 60 F (16 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Weather: Towering cumulus clouds observed; Wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT)
Aug 07 11:00:35 <malfi> sorry, english isn't my mother tongue, this was a play on words, wasn't it? concrete doesn't only mean specific?
Aug 07 11:00:53 <blaster8> jp30: thanks - looking now
Aug 07 11:01:50 <NAiL> malfi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete
Aug 07 11:01:51 <odoc> hi malfi
Aug 07 11:02:10 <malfi> ooops .)
Aug 07 11:02:15 <malfi> hi odoc :)
Aug 07 11:02:30 <blaster8> are optware feeds available on the web or only in cvs?
Aug 07 11:02:35 <odoc> how is work with draytek going on ?
Aug 07 11:03:04 <malfi> don't buy draytek, changes to get a winbond are high.
Aug 07 11:03:07 <malfi> chances
Aug 07 11:03:17 <odoc> oh
Aug 07 11:03:39 <odoc> i read on chipcologne pages that only new version are with cologne chips 
Aug 07 11:03:40 <malfi> Got one, it's useless with linux.
Aug 07 11:03:49 <odoc> :(
Aug 07 11:03:52 <odoc> got it on ebay ?
Aug 07 11:03:57 * malfi nods.
Aug 07 11:04:25 <odoc> you know how old it is ?
Aug 07 11:04:33 <odoc> http://www.ip-phone-forum.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14839
Aug 07 11:04:33 <malfi> You don't know which chipset is used, unless the buyer posts a /proc/bus/usb/devices
Aug 07 11:04:43 <odoc> hrhr 
Aug 07 11:04:54 <odoc> dont expect ebay sellers to know what cat is ;P
Aug 07 11:04:55 <malfi> I haven't found a date or something like this.
Aug 07 11:05:10 <odoc> mhh
Aug 07 11:05:11 <jp30> blaster8, the feeds are available on the web, the sources only from cvs
Aug 07 11:05:19 <odoc> there is one ending in about an hour
Aug 07 11:05:24 <blaster8> where?
Aug 07 11:05:26 <odoc> its from 03/05
Aug 07 11:05:27 <CIA-9> 03jbowler 07org.nslu2-linux.dev * r9e379b0d... 10/Makefile: Updated for OpenSlug-2.5-beta
Aug 07 11:05:28 <malfi> I know, I'm going to bid. :)
Aug 07 11:05:34 <odoc> :(
Aug 07 11:05:38 <odoc> stop bidding
Aug 07 11:05:43 <odoc> you know its useless ;P
Aug 07 11:05:44 <blaster8> sorry for the obvious questions - I'm new here
Aug 07 11:06:06 <malfi> billion or draytek?
Aug 07 11:06:27 <jp30> blaster8, instructions are at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung
Aug 07 11:06:42 <malfi> the billion seem to use cologne chips all the time, at least I haven't heard of anything else...
Aug 07 11:06:47 <odoc> draytek
Aug 07 11:06:51 <odoc> how much are billion ?
Aug 07 11:06:59 <odoc> draytek are about 35 eur 
Aug 07 11:07:33 <malfi> I'll see, but the minivigor goes usally for like 20 EUR...
Aug 07 11:08:02 <malfi> this is the one, I'm going to bid 6790189555
Aug 07 11:16:26 <malfi> but the misdn patch seems fine, at least it loads and checks for a suitable usb device
Aug 07 11:24:16 <odoc> k
Aug 07 11:24:23 <odoc> i will wait for the next billion
Aug 07 11:24:28 <odoc> its only 19h ;P
Aug 07 11:27:05 <malfi> thanks :)
Aug 07 11:27:20 <odoc> you've seen ? 7 eur shipping
Aug 07 11:27:23 <bas> with unslung 5.5, why does the web interface keep saying disk 1 is not formatted after a reboot?
Aug 07 11:27:23 <odoc> cheater ;P
Aug 07 11:28:02 <malfi> I'll ask him, whether he will ship uninsured... :)
Aug 07 11:30:28 <odoc> good luck
Aug 07 11:45:55 <jbowler-zzz> There is now an official source release for OpenSlug-2.5-beta.  Please see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/HomePage for more information and http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/ReleaseNotes2x5 for the full release notes.
Aug 07 11:46:55 <jbowler-zzz> The binary release (including the feeds) are in preparation, until they have been completed it is only possible to obtain OpenSlug-2.5-beta via the source release.
Aug 07 11:54:34 <malfi> nice page, well done
Aug 07 12:03:53 <odoc> got the minivigor for 16 eur
Aug 07 12:04:07 <odoc> if its no hfc ... i will get my money back on ebay :)
Aug 07 12:06:55 <odoc> malfi, 4,5 ... thats cheap ;P
Aug 07 12:07:21 <malfi> jo, got it :)
Aug 07 12:07:44 <odoc> i wait till tomorrow for the next one :)
Aug 07 12:08:46 <malfi> 4.5 EUR for this isdn thingie and 7 EUR for shipping, that's weird :)
Aug 07 12:09:47 <CIA-9> 03repvik * r159 10/releases/OpenSlug-2.5-beta/openembedded/packages/ntp/ntp_4.2.0.bb: Add the ntp-tickadj package. Installing it fixes the clock drift on 2.[345]-beta
Aug 07 12:12:04 <CIA-9> 03repvik * r160 10/releases/OpenSlug-2.5-beta/openembedded/packages/ntp/files/tickadj: Add the initscript needed for tickadj
Aug 07 12:21:26 <CIA-9> 03repvik * r161 10/releases/OpenSlug-2.3-beta/openembedded/packages/ntp/files/tickadj: Fix the initscript to actually read the value from rcS
Aug 07 12:21:52 <blaster8> just checking - by default is UcSlugC built with -Os?
Aug 07 12:22:06 <CIA-9> 03repvik * r162 10/releases/OpenSlug-2.5-beta/openembedded/packages/ntp/files/tickadj: Fix the initscript to actually read the value from rcS
Aug 07 12:22:21 <jbowler-zzz> blaster8: see conf/machine/nslu2.conf
Aug 07 12:22:34 <jbowler-zzz> It's not quite Os
Aug 07 12:24:47 <jbowler-zzz> Oh, and conf/distro/ucslugc.conf removes the 'built-in' handling for sin() and cos()
Aug 07 12:25:06 <blaster8> so close enough - that's good
Aug 07 12:25:31 <jbowler-zzz> Ah... that sin/cos stuff is in nslu2.conf
Aug 07 12:27:47 <jbowler-zzz> The -fomit-frame-pointer might or might not be doing anything - it shouldn't be required, but it may be that GCC builds a stack frame for leaf functions if it is not specified.
Aug 07 12:40:51 <blaster8> btw the makefile needs to be bumped to make the openslug-2.5 target
Aug 07 12:41:09 <NAiL> blaster8: hmm? make update.
Aug 07 12:41:21 <NAiL> I'm doing make openslug-2.5-beta now.
Aug 07 12:42:11 <blaster8> the one on the website only references 2.3 beta
Aug 07 12:42:39 <NAiL> oh
Aug 07 12:43:04 <jbowler-zzz> Yes - I didn't update the web site, just checked in the new version.
Aug 07 12:43:11 <NAiL> I'll push it 
Aug 07 12:43:36 <NAiL> *ding*
Aug 07 12:43:48 <blaster8> one more thing - is anyone keen to have a php webserver on openslug/uclugc?
Aug 07 12:44:10 <NAiL> thttpd and php cgi works, I think
Aug 07 12:44:20 <NAiL> any better solutions in the works?
Aug 07 12:44:39 <blaster8> checking
Aug 07 12:44:52 <jbowler-zzz> It's probably useful on UcSlugC if it fits in the flash.
Aug 07 12:45:16 <jbowler-zzz> thttpd should work fine, though I haven't tested it.
Aug 07 12:45:32 <blaster8> It would be good to have a basic php server fitted onto the flash
Aug 07 12:45:46 <blaster8> but I'm not convinced I can do it myself, reliably
Aug 07 12:46:32 <blaster8> the alternative is mini_httpd and php - there is a very good patched version of mini_httpd used on m0n0wall which someone could package
Aug 07 12:47:08 <blaster8> I can put up a link to the source and patches if anyone has the time (& expertise) to look into this
Aug 07 12:48:18 <blaster8> m0n0wall, btw is a bsd firewall which is less than 6MB - so the combination would definitely fit
Aug 07 12:55:57 <CIA-9> 03nail 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rbb045a5a... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Added diffstat to feed
Aug 07 12:55:59 <CIA-9> 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * rb429c0f1... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add diffstat.
Aug 07 12:56:21 <NAiL> heh
Aug 07 12:56:30 <NAiL> none of us specified which feed :P
Aug 07 12:58:07 <bas> why does unslung have the >256Mb minimum for memory sticks as root devices?
Aug 07 12:58:43 <caplink811_log> cause you're on the wrong chanel, you would follow me to #nslu2-general
Aug 07 13:13:45 <hanjo> hi all
Aug 07 13:14:30 <hanjo> Has anyone played with debugfs on the slug? I can't get it to run and I need to debug something with usbmon
Aug 07 13:16:14 <hanjo> with kernel debugging enabled, mount -t debugfs none_debugs /sys/kernel/debug should work, but not here :( And since we are using 2.6.12.2, the support should be there
Aug 07 13:24:01 <[cc]smart> hey what the heck... this is the second time in the first year ever where i would say, these thunderrolls are unnaturally tough. is everything in this world turning crazy ?
Aug 07 13:24:42 <ingeba-toandfrom> hanjo: Wrong channel - go #openslug
Aug 07 13:24:50 <[cc]smart> :)
Aug 07 13:24:51 <[cc]smart> right
Aug 07 13:25:05 <[cc]smart> but this really got me a shock
Aug 07 13:25:52 <ingeba-toandfrom> I just got a  shock from my IBM TP power plug. Seems the copper is sticking out.
Aug 07 13:27:29 <[cc]smart> field replacable unit ?
Aug 07 13:28:28 <[cc]smart> heck i'll gonna switch off... too much risk with all these flashes out there....
Aug 07 13:28:35 <[cc]smart> unbelievable
Aug 07 13:28:37 <[cc]smart> cu
Aug 07 14:31:02 <ingeba-toandfrom> dyoung: ping?
Aug 07 14:35:50 <CIA-9> 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r9467bebb... 10/ (8 files in 5 dirs): 
Aug 07 14:35:50 <CIA-9> explicit_merge of 85d8528d47a6cf1ff8d3c10b55e327fea4c8262b
Aug 07 14:35:50 <CIA-9>  and 3fdd532025257c25f1c852c0042381869d25b9d6
Aug 07 14:35:50 <CIA-9>  using ancestor
Aug 07 14:35:50 <CIA-9>  to branch 'org.openembedded.nslu2-linux'
Aug 07 14:40:57 <CIA-9> 03jbowler 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r4cf7e407... 10/ (27 files in 17 dirs): 
Aug 07 14:40:57 <CIA-9> propagate from branch 'org.openembedded.dev' (head e5ee515fa896606518481b09699b0237741b79e7)
Aug 07 14:40:57 <CIA-9>  to branch 'org.openembedded.nslu2-linux' (head 9467bebba2440fba8a123b9cdcfe3ebfb3bbd4d1)
Aug 07 14:48:33 <CIA-9> 03ingeba * 10unslung/sources/ctorrent/passkey.patch: Added support for tracker URL extensions, like passkeys
Aug 07 14:52:18 <CIA-9> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/ctorrent.mk: Added passkey patch and upped IPK number
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Aug 07 18:15:16 <bas> ka6sox-office: nope i'm not..
Aug 07 18:18:22 <ka6sox-office> k
Aug 07 18:18:37 <ka6sox-office> then thats why you dont' know that we have planned maintainence.
Aug 07 18:19:52 <bas> that's a pity for me then.. after puzzling for a day getting unslung working i was finally about to ipkg some things and wanted to know how to start adding my own
Aug 07 18:20:09 <bas> google cache helps with the last thing though
Aug 07 18:22:50 <bas> ka6sox-office: how long is the server going to be offline though?
Aug 07 18:27:39 <ka6sox-office> 2hrs.
Aug 07 18:27:45 <ka6sox-office> (acutally 1 more hour)
Aug 07 18:27:55 <ka6sox-office> I'm working on upgrading services.
Aug 07 18:28:05 <ka6sox-office> on the new community server.
Aug 07 18:28:47 <bas> ok cool. can't wait to help ouy
Aug 07 18:28:49 <bas> out
Aug 07 19:52:15 <zin> when doing 'make build-optware-nslu2', how to skip those packages that failed to build?
Aug 07 22:44:27 <DIrEctQL> hey, does anyone have a working version of vidcat on NSLU2?
Aug 07 22:44:35 <DIrEctQL> i can't get it to compile
Aug 07 22:54:49 <DIrEctQL> actually, I did cross-compile it, but when I try to execute it on the NSLU2 this happens:
Aug 07 22:54:56 <DIrEctQL> # ./vidcat
Aug 07 22:54:57 <DIrEctQL> ./vidcat: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")")
Aug 07 22:55:02 <DIrEctQL> anyone have an idea?
Aug 07 23:07:01 <ingeba-zzz> DIrEctQL: Sounds like a i86 binary. I compiled one long ago  - moght be on the Yahoo file section.
Aug 07 23:07:44 <ingeba-zzz> DIrEctQL: Oh, it's in the w3cam package
Aug 07 23:14:01 <DIrEctQL> it's not
Aug 07 23:14:14 <DIrEctQL> it was compiled with arm-linux toolchain
Aug 07 23:14:28 <DIrEctQL> vidcat: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
Aug 07 23:16:55 <odoc> dyoung: slug is still unstable :(
Aug 07 23:17:46 <DIrEctQL> ingeba-zzz: any ideas?
Aug 07 23:17:58 <DIrEctQL> does anyone have a compiled vidcat?
Aug 07 23:18:07 <DIrEctQL> i am trying to use 100% stock firmware
Aug 07 23:18:37 <DIrEctQL> hopefully it will work
Aug 07 23:19:19 <ingeba-zzz> DIrEctQL: Trust me, it's in the w3cam ipk
Aug 07 23:19:36 <DIrEctQL> i know
Aug 07 23:19:48 <DIrEctQL> but how can I get the binary from the ipkg
Aug 07 23:19:55 <DIrEctQL> i know nothing about ipkg
Aug 07 23:20:13 <ingeba-zzz> Use ar to split it and tar to extract the files.
Aug 07 23:20:34 <DIrEctQL> you have a link for me?
Aug 07 23:20:35 <ingeba-zzz> Please put this info on the wiki
Aug 07 23:20:44 <DIrEctQL> what info?
Aug 07 23:21:31 <ingeba-zzz> Nope: "ipkg download w3cam; ar -x w3cam-version.ipk; tar xvzf  files.tar.gz"
Aug 07 23:22:02 <DIrEctQL> thanks
Aug 07 23:22:05 <ingeba-zzz> Where version corresponds to the rest of the name and "files" to the part of the ar-archive that contains the binaries
Aug 07 23:24:22 <ingeba-zzz> Sorry DIrEctQL - seems to be different:
Aug 07 23:24:24 <DIrEctQL> how can I get the package if I don't have ipkg installed
Aug 07 23:24:40 <ingeba-zzz> 1. Fetch it from the repo using wget
Aug 07 23:24:48 <DIrEctQL> and the repo url is?
Aug 07 23:25:13 <DIrEctQL> ahh
Aug 07 23:25:15 <DIrEctQL> found it i think
Aug 07 23:26:20 <ingeba-zzz> Then "tar tvzf w3cam_0.7.2-1_armeb.ipk; tar tvzf data.tar.gz"
Aug 07 23:26:39 <ingeba-zzz> Then "tar tvzf w3cam_0.7.2-1_armeb.ipk; tar xvzf data.tar.gz"
Aug 07 23:26:58 <ingeba-zzz> Arrghhh-  "tar xvzf w3cam_0.7.2-1_armeb.ipk; tar xvzf data.tar.gz" 
Aug 07 23:28:18 <DIrEctQL> ahh, very good
Aug 07 23:28:24 <DIrEctQL> I already compiled the drivers and videodev
Aug 07 23:28:40 <DIrEctQL> i don't get why the toolchain I am using won't work with vidcat
Aug 07 23:28:54 <DIrEctQL> also looks like NSLU2 need a new cifs module
Aug 07 23:42:39 <Airw0lf> i am interested in compiling an application for unslung. I would like to make it a package later, but first I want to compile and test it
Aug 07 23:43:31 <Airw0lf> how would i go about cross-compilation?
Aug 07 23:45:42 <Airw0lf> i have only found steps for natively compiling packages
Aug 07 23:46:41 <Airw0lf> is it even possible to cross compile a binary executable on one linux machine, then copy it over to the NSLU?
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