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Aug 16 03:35:59 <rwhitby> So, has anyone tried Unslung-binary-kernel 6.0 from monotone yet?
Aug 16 04:26:12 <CIA-8> 03dyoung 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r9b9b986b... 10/packages/linux/ (unslung-kernel/defconfig unslung-kernel_2.4.22.l2.3r29.bb): really added the missing netfilter stuff
Aug 16 04:46:07 <CIA-8> 03dyoung 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r701e7a08... 10/packages/linux/nslu2-kernel/2.6.12/nslu2-setup.c: Add 2nd serial port support. It is a RX only port, but useful for things like GPSs
Aug 16 04:51:06 <CIA-8> 03dyoung 07org.openembedded.nslu2-linux * r2457ce39... 10/packages/linux/nslu2-kernel_2.6.12.2.bb: Bump the PR
Aug 16 04:51:22 <dyoung-away> Can someone with serial console test that didnt break the serial console please?
Aug 16 05:38:14 <rwhitby> geojeff: how did the libao compilation go?
Aug 16 05:43:14 <geojeff> rwhitby, ka6sox-away said he would be working on getting libao to work today. so i am in a holding pattern.
Aug 16 06:43:30 <geojeff> dyoung, i need to learn about batteries and battery packs for the slug -- you said you had made large D-cell packs before?
Aug 16 09:13:22 <philipjohnsonweb> any wiki admins about?: I'd be grateful if you could approve the image at the bottom of http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/LinuxUnslungLogo.
Aug 16 09:16:51 <Tiersten> philipjohnsonweb: Done
Aug 16 09:16:58 <philipjohnsonweb> Cheers.
Aug 16 09:58:07 <VoodooZ_Log> geojeff|away, I'm using custom AA NiMh battery packs in my latest robot using the slug.
Aug 16 09:58:43 <VoodooZ_Log> I'm thinking of switching to Lithium Polymer though. Much higher density and lots of power.
Aug 16 10:01:01 <Tiersten> LiIon is more hassle to charge though
Aug 16 10:02:31 <ByronT> VoodooZ_Log, have you heard / read about the Panasonic Oxyride batteries?
Aug 16 10:03:01 <VoodooZ_Log> no. 
Aug 16 10:03:05 <VoodooZ_Log> Tell me more...
Aug 16 10:03:22 <VoodooZ_Log> better density than LiPo?
Aug 16 10:03:41 <ByronT> http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/batteries/oxyride.asp
Aug 16 10:03:47 <VoodooZ_Log> thanks mate.
Aug 16 10:04:25 <ByronT> they were only available in Japan for about 6 months... and already have 10% market share
Aug 16 10:04:38 <ByronT> they've just come to the US
Aug 16 10:04:49 <VoodooZ_Log> It's hard to say though as they only look like an optimize alkaline.
Aug 16 10:05:32 <ByronT> true, just providing another possible option
Aug 16 10:05:33 <VoodooZ_Log> I'm my small robot I need 2 battery pack: ~14V for motors and ~10V for digital.
Aug 16 10:05:36 <Tiersten> Non rechargable as well it seems
Aug 16 10:05:39 <VoodooZ_Log> yeah.
Aug 16 10:05:59 <Tiersten> The fact that it can power their car for 3/4 of a mile isn't that amazing either
Aug 16 10:06:09 <VoodooZ_Log> LiPo are super slim so I'm looking forward to switching to them as my current AA packs are huge and don't last as long.
Aug 16 10:06:20 <Tiersten> Some of the prototypes out there run off fairly small solar panels for miles and miles
Aug 16 10:06:25 <ByronT> Tiersten, with a 110 lb occupant?
Aug 16 10:06:27 <VoodooZ_Log> true
Aug 16 10:06:40 <Tiersten> ByronT: Yep
Aug 16 10:06:51 <VoodooZ_Log> Thank god i'm not driving w/ my 200lbs frame! :)
Aug 16 10:07:01 <Tiersten> Can't remember what the competition is called but there is some every so often for renewable energy powered cars and they go for miles
Aug 16 10:07:31 <Tiersten> a lot of the tech is extremely low friction bearings and high efficiency motors
Aug 16 10:07:31 <ByronT> hmmm... maybe VoodooZ_Log should be looking for some solar cells
Aug 16 10:07:53 <VoodooZ_Work> hehehe. No possible on my bot :)
Aug 16 10:08:08 <Tiersten> VoodooZ: Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries wear out as well though
Aug 16 10:08:16 <VoodooZ_Work> of course they do.
Aug 16 10:08:19 <Tiersten> 300ish cycles is usual for a laptop battery pack
Aug 16 10:08:30 <Tiersten> After that the amount of energy you can get out of the pack is pretty low
Aug 16 10:08:39 <ByronT> Tiersten, in the case of the oxyride car, they ran the car with the "Ultra" and "Extreme" AAs and the most that those were getting was less then 1/2 mile
Aug 16 10:08:45 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah but that's plenty for a robot.
Aug 16 10:09:17 <Tiersten> Pick up a broken screen laptop and some battery packs and use that to power your robot?
Aug 16 10:09:37 <NAiL> Use the LiPol's from Sparkfun? :D
Aug 16 10:09:38 <Tiersten> The laptop would be the charger
Aug 16 10:10:17 <VoodooZ_Work> Yeah, I saw the Sparfun ones but they are single cells so I've since found a good canadian source of ready-made packs.
Aug 16 10:10:28 <NAiL> I will probably use the sparkfun ones in AeroSlug
Aug 16 10:10:55 <VoodooZ_Work> Tiersten, those laptop batteries are too big for my small bot. Custom ones are much better and have more juice.
Aug 16 10:11:04 <Tiersten> cheaper tho :)
Aug 16 10:11:11 <VoodooZ_Work> NAiL, is 3.5V enough though?
Aug 16 10:11:15 <Tiersten> NAiL: The charger sparkfun sell only can do a single cell at a time
Aug 16 10:11:21 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah.
Aug 16 10:11:23 <Tiersten> if you've got lots and you've got a looooong wait
Aug 16 10:11:35 <VoodooZ_Work> Let me get you the URL for my source...
Aug 16 10:11:51 <VoodooZ_Work> www.zebrahobby.ca
Aug 16 10:12:11 <VoodooZ_Work> It's canadian but it will give you an idea.
Aug 16 10:12:19 <VoodooZ_Work> The apache charger is pretty good.
Aug 16 10:13:56 <NAiL> Tiersten: My father has a rather nice charger that I can use for a while
Aug 16 10:14:00 <VoodooZ_Work> The apogee ones are made for RC airplanes/cars. They can give major current in short bursts!
Aug 16 10:14:11 <Tiersten> NAiL: It specifically handles LiPo batteries?
Aug 16 10:14:16 <NAiL> Tiersten: yes
Aug 16 10:14:24 <Tiersten> If it doesn't specifically list it then don't try it as it's liable to go KABOOM
Aug 16 10:14:30 <VoodooZ_Work> yep!
Aug 16 10:14:38 <VoodooZ_Work> LiPo are pretty serious.
Aug 16 10:15:05 <NAiL> Tiersten: I know. Remember that from SparkFun's page. My father is doing a lot of work with LiPol batteries in some embedded devices :D
Aug 16 10:15:10 <VoodooZ_Work> NiMh and GelCells are easier to start with.
Aug 16 10:15:29 <VoodooZ_Work> What does he use?
Aug 16 10:15:55 <NAiL> He uses LiPol and some other (non-rechargable) battery that I can't even remember the type of
Aug 16 10:16:24 <NAiL> A 3.3V AA-battery that lasts ~3 years or so
Aug 16 10:17:22 <Tiersten> silver air?
Aug 16 10:17:32 <NAiL> no..
Aug 16 10:17:36 <Tiersten> VoodooZ_Work: Do you have a low voltage cutout?
Aug 16 10:17:46 <NAiL> I think there was some sulphur involved
Aug 16 10:18:44 <NAiL> ah, Li-S
Aug 16 10:18:47 <Tiersten> NAiL: How about http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/08/15/pee-powered_battery/?
Aug 16 10:19:25 <NAiL> hahaha
Aug 16 10:20:13 <NAiL> VoodooZ_Work: No, 3.5 won't cut it I'm afraid. So my father is gonna wrap a few cells together. He knows how to do it so stuff don't go "boom" midair
Aug 16 10:22:45 <VoodooZ_Work> sorry I had somebody at my desk...
Aug 16 10:23:11 <VoodooZ_Work> Tiersten, I'm still using my old NiMh Packs.
Aug 16 10:23:28 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, I saw those pee-powered batteries. hilarious!
Aug 16 10:23:36 <VoodooZ_Work> I could pee on my both now and then... :)
Aug 16 10:24:37 <VoodooZ_Work> Tiersten, I did read the LiPos don't like to be totally emptied so I'll have to get a cut-off if I buy them
Aug 16 10:24:56 <Tiersten> Yeah.  Drain it too much and they won't recharge
Aug 16 10:25:11 <Tiersten> They should put the pee powered batteries into that car :)
Aug 16 10:25:19 <VoodooZ_Work> a nice cut-off module would be nice.
Aug 16 10:25:52 <VoodooZ_Work> Yeah! Then you can open the "pee gaz" door thing and pee directly in it when you run out!
Aug 16 10:26:25 <VoodooZ_Work> I wonder if what you drink affects the performance. Hmmm. BEER!!!
Aug 16 10:28:30 <Tiersten> heh.  indirectly beer powered car
Aug 16 10:29:01 <VoodooZ_Work> hehe
Aug 16 10:29:23 <VoodooZ_Work> coffee or pop could probably give it quite a punch too. So freaking strong.
Aug 16 10:44:43 <ka6sox-office> coffee!
Aug 16 11:20:32 <joschi> hi, i have problems compiling the samba package... anyone can give hints?
Aug 16 11:21:28 <NAiL> maybe
Aug 16 11:21:36 <NAiL> Openslug/unslung?
Aug 16 11:21:41 <joschi> openslug
Aug 16 11:21:42 <joschi> 2.5
Aug 16 11:21:55 <joschi> i have already compile successfully some days ago
Aug 16 11:21:59 <NAiL> the tarball, or from svn?
Aug 16 11:22:04 <joschi> tarball
Aug 16 11:22:14 <NAiL> ok. What's the error?
Aug 16 11:22:23 <joschi> ERROR: function do_patchcleancmd failed
Aug 16 11:22:44 <joschi> cat /media/data/Development/build/tmp/work/samba-3.0.14a-r12/temp/log.do_patchcleancmd.5247
Aug 16 11:22:44 <joschi> Usage: quilt [--trace[=verbose]] [--quiltrc=XX] command [-h] ...
Aug 16 11:22:44 <joschi> Commands are:
Aug 16 11:22:44 <joschi> Common options to all commands:
Aug 16 11:22:44 <joschi> --trace
Aug 16 11:22:45 <joschi>         Runs the command in bash trace mode (-x). For internal debugging.
Aug 16 11:22:47 <joschi> --quiltrc file
Aug 16 11:22:53 <joschi>         Use the specified configuration file instead of ~/.quiltrc (or
Aug 16 11:22:55 <joschi>         /etc/quilt.quiltrc if ~/.quiltrc is missing).  See the pdf
Aug 16 11:22:57 <joschi>         documentation for details about its possible content.
Aug 16 11:23:11 <NAiL> if you do "source setup-env ; bb -cclean samba ; bb samba", does it still work?
Aug 16 11:23:54 <NAiL> eh, does it still *break* ;)
Aug 16 11:24:07 <joschi> sure ;)
Aug 16 11:24:14 <joschi> just trying...
Aug 16 11:24:50 <llagendijk> Hi, anybody here that knows in which environments the optware build system is supposed to work? I know about Linux and Macos. Any more?
Aug 16 11:25:44 <NAiL> llagendijk: I think someone managed to get it somewhat to work with cygwin. But that's a pita
Aug 16 11:25:47 <joschi> nail: still the same
Aug 16 11:26:22 <joschi> i have to say that i mounted the partition with the build-tree on it to a different folder - could this break the thing?
Aug 16 11:26:34 <NAiL> joschi: yes. 
Aug 16 11:26:39 <llagendijk> ok, so if I support packages on Linux & Macos that should be my primary goal?
Aug 16 11:26:59 <NAiL> joschi: look in setup-env first. There's a path there that will be wrong
Aug 16 11:27:14 <NAiL> And it's quite likely that stuff in tmp/ will break
Aug 16 11:27:54 <joschi> so just a "rm -rf tmp/" ?
Aug 16 11:27:55 <NAiL> llagendijk: Linux primarily. If stuff breaks on macos, not many people care ;-)
Aug 16 11:28:31 <NAiL> joschi: That's the easiest solution, yes. That'll force a rebuild of the toolchain though, so it'll take a while...
Aug 16 11:28:32 <joschi> nail: btw. the path is in conf/topdir.conf ;)
Aug 16 11:28:48 <NAiL> joschi: ah, yes, the intricacies of the build system ;)
Aug 16 11:28:57 <NAiL> Anyway, that path makes it break ;)
Aug 16 11:29:17 <joschi> hm, it seems the path is correct...
Aug 16 11:29:50 <NAiL> joschi: then it's probably just leftovers in tmp/ that breaks it
Aug 16 11:30:05 <llagendijk> NAiL, I got a guy complaining about a problem in bind with Macos. fixinf the problem for him seems to work on Linux too, so I was wondering whether I would break things for others too. Doesn't look like it then. Thanks for the halp
Aug 16 11:31:28 <NAiL> joschi: but you can pull all the packages from the official feed though. If you're building samba, you're finished with the image :)
Aug 16 11:34:44 <joschi> i wanted to build samba, because i'm stuck with the "large-files-on-vfat" - problem
Aug 16 11:34:52 <[cc]smart> are we using monotone 0.22 ?
Aug 16 11:34:53 <llagendijk> jp30-work, ping?
Aug 16 11:36:26 <NAiL> [cc]smart: some of us. It's not required though
Aug 16 11:37:16 <llagendijk> Does anybody know the rules for the package version? Should I step the level when I just change a Makefile so a tool not included in the ipkg builds, but the resulting package on other platforms does not change?
Aug 16 11:41:42 <NAiL> joschi: large files on vfat? 
Aug 16 11:42:08 <joschi> it was just on the mailing list
Aug 16 11:42:24 <joschi> i have mounted a fat32-partition on the slug
Aug 16 11:42:35 <joschi> this is exposed by samba to windows hosts
Aug 16 11:43:05 <NAiL> ah, yes, found ti
Aug 16 11:43:07 <NAiL> it
Aug 16 11:43:11 <joschi> when i try to copy a larga file ( ~100megs) to this share, the copy times out
Aug 16 11:43:22 <NAiL> And the stock samba 3.14a doesn't handle this?
Aug 16 11:43:29 <joschi> don't think so
Aug 16 11:43:44 <NAiL> That's... weird
Aug 16 11:44:09 <joschi> it's totally similar to the problems described in the link given in the mail
Aug 16 11:44:26 <joschi> and the code in the 3.14a package looks also exactly the same
Aug 16 11:44:41 <ByronT> there have been some reports with samba and the nslu2s and large files.
Aug 16 11:44:44 <NAiL> Ok, a tip that will probably help you when dealing with samba.. look in openembedded/site/armeb-linux, there's a bunch of configure overrides there.
Aug 16 11:45:10 <NAiL> ByronT: Yes, I know. It's supposed to work now though... It's been a while since I fixed it. But there seems to be *something* wrong. 
Aug 16 11:45:21 <NAiL> eg. filesizes are reported incorrectly
Aug 16 11:45:21 <ByronT> but personally, I've moved DVD ISOs and CD ISOs without issue
Aug 16 11:45:36 <NAiL> yeah
Aug 16 11:46:18 <joschi> hm, maybe the sambapackage on the feed is different from the one which is built from the tarball?
Aug 16 11:46:41 <NAiL> joschi: not *entirely* sure there, but I'm pretty sure it's the same
Aug 16 11:46:57 <joschi> i'll try
Aug 16 11:47:05 <NAiL> the samba package is mainly fixed by me ;)
Aug 16 11:47:11 <joschi> :)
Aug 16 11:47:43 <joschi> but again - it's important that the share has to be on a fat-partition, only then the problems occur
Aug 16 11:48:04 <NAiL> Yeah...
Aug 16 11:48:11 <NAiL> I don't have any fat-partitions on my slug though
Aug 16 11:48:19 <NAiL> I guess I could try loop-mounting one
Aug 16 11:48:43 <joschi> is it normal the i get a lot of errors after deleting the tmp/ folder?
Aug 16 11:49:10 <NAiL> hmm
Aug 16 11:49:18 <NAiL> What kind of errors do you get?
Aug 16 11:49:26 <joschi> it complains about missing .bb files in the cache 
Aug 16 11:49:48 <NAiL> Then it's probably looking in the wrong place
Aug 16 11:49:55 <NAiL> Do you still have the tarball? 
Aug 16 11:50:17 <joschi> i just deleted the whole tmp folder and ran make again
Aug 16 11:50:48 <NAiL> I think one or more of the config-files are borked
Aug 16 11:51:14 <NAiL> I'm making a 10GB vfat fs now
Aug 16 11:51:15 <joschi> hm, something wrong with the filesystem.... i don't see the tmp/ folder, but its still there...
Aug 16 11:51:28 <NAiL> that isn't a good sign :P
Aug 16 11:51:38 <joschi> i can cd to it, but when i do an ls, it says "ls: .: no such file or directory"
Aug 16 11:51:46 <NAiL> werd
Aug 16 11:52:54 <NAiL> I'd recommend you start from scratch 
Aug 16 11:53:22 <NAiL> (possibly fsck your fs at the same time ;)
Aug 16 11:53:32 <joschi> ;)
Aug 16 11:54:03 <joschi> ok, i remount did it :)
Aug 16 11:54:32 <joschi> ok, now it recreates the bb files... *puh*
Aug 16 11:54:38 <NAiL> ah
Aug 16 11:58:34 <joschi> ok - now do i have to recompile all packages?
Aug 16 12:00:24 <NAiL> no
Aug 16 12:00:35 <NAiL> if you bb samba, it'll rebuild what it needs to build samba
Aug 16 12:02:01 <joschi> ah, ok... sorry i don't have a real understanding for this buildsystem yet :(
Aug 16 12:02:23 <jp30-work> llagendijk, as far as optware is concerned, builds only *have* to work on the official build system, which is a debian gnu/linux box. if builds work on MacOS, cygwin, solaris, other linuces, that is good but not required; about package versions: no need to step the level if the resulting package has not changed
Aug 16 12:03:25 <NAiL> joschi: np, it's not that long since I learned it either ;)
Aug 16 12:05:39 <joschi> ok, the package from the feed has the same problem
Aug 16 12:07:24 <joschi> you can easily see it when you drag files in explorer: to an ext2-partition the copy starts immediately, on fat32, it takes a long time
Aug 16 12:07:56 <joschi> if the file is bigger that - in my case around 500megs, this takes tooo long, so that something times out
Aug 16 12:09:32 <NAiL> that is indeed strange
Aug 16 12:09:56 <joschi> its because samba expands the file by wrinting 0's to it...
Aug 16 12:10:44 <NAiL> yeah, just looked at the thread now
Aug 16 12:11:10 <joschi> i planned to try the simple workaround given there
Aug 16 12:13:29 <NAiL> yeah...
Aug 16 12:13:40 <NAiL> I wonder if that creates problems elsewhere
Aug 16 12:13:50 <NAiL> Guess I could test it in head, and see if anyone complains ;)
Aug 16 12:13:56 <joschi> maybe - just read the thread ;)
Aug 16 12:16:11 <joschi> *arg* again compile problems... it seems no good idea to compile on a samba-mounted drive...
Aug 16 12:16:25 <NAiL> no, that isn't a good idea ;)
Aug 16 12:17:58 <joschi> but nfs should work, yes?
Aug 16 12:18:20 <NAiL> Dunno. Never tried. There's probably someone who has though
Aug 16 12:19:54 <joschi> ok, i'm moving it local...
Aug 16 12:40:12 <llagendijk> jp30-work, thanks
Aug 16 12:41:37 <DaKa> joschi, NAiL: compiling on nfs works, atleast nativly on the slug
Aug 16 12:41:57 <NAiL> DaKa: nice to know
Aug 16 12:42:51 <CIA-8> 03llagendijk * 10unslung/sources/bind/bind_gengen_patch: updated bind_gengen_patch so make also works on Mac-os (bugzilla #233)
Aug 16 12:42:56 <joschi_> just struggling to get make the slug an nfs-server :-/
Aug 16 12:43:19 <DaKa> hm.. never done that, just the other way around
Aug 16 12:43:57 <joschi_> generally on nfs: all i need is to setup the exports and start all daemons, right?
Aug 16 12:44:14 <joschi_> on the client side i just get "mount: rpc: timed out" :(
Aug 16 13:16:42 <ctomer> anyone with experience of building crosstool packages?
Aug 16 13:19:31 <ka6sox-office> I have some
Aug 16 13:21:01 <ctomer> have you managed to build any packages sucessfully?  for some reason I keep on getting errors
Aug 16 13:21:25 <ctomer> compilation stops with "ar.c: undefined reference to `yyparse'"
Aug 16 13:23:08 <ctomer> any ideas?
Aug 16 13:23:57 <ka6sox-office> what package is this?
Aug 16 13:24:11 <ctomer> any, i seem to get the same error
Aug 16 13:24:46 <ctomer> I've checked out the sources, and have tried compiling random packages to see if i have everything set up
Aug 16 13:25:00 <ctomer> for example: hpijs and adduser
Aug 16 13:27:14 <ctomer> I've been trying to get my printer to work, i've spent 2 weeks on solving this and I really don't want to give up
Aug 16 13:27:22 <AdamBaker> joschi_: an rpc timeout does look as though you are missing a daemon, do you have portmap, mountd and lockd showing in ps (I nfs mount my slug all the time but that is still on unslung 3.18)
Aug 16 13:27:43 <ka6sox-office> ctomer: I've not seen that.
Aug 16 13:28:07 <ka6sox-office> I'm resetting up my build machine and can't verify your error right now.
Aug 16 13:29:08 <AdamBaker> ctomer: I've seen someone else report similar if flex / bison aren't installed
Aug 16 13:29:35 <ctomer> I have cups installed on my slug, along with hpijs and ghostscript, the reason that I can't print is because ghostscript crashes
Aug 16 13:29:52 <joschi_> AdamBaker: Thanks, problem already solved
Aug 16 13:30:13 <ctomer> i guess I should be using the version of ghostscript available on cups.org but so far I've not been able to compile it
Aug 16 13:31:11 * jacques agrees with AdamBaker 
Aug 16 13:31:49 <ctomer> what is flex/ bison?
Aug 16 13:33:12 <AdamBaker> ctomer: tools for generating parsers, clones of the unix tools lex and yacc (hence yyparse)
Aug 16 13:33:36 <ctomer> ok, i'm installing them now, lets see
Aug 16 13:33:51 <AdamBaker> for parsers generated by bison emulating yacc
Aug 16 13:43:40 <ctomer> Adam, thanks a lot!  seems like it's working
Aug 16 13:44:00 <ctomer> it's still compiling but i've gotten much further than before
Aug 16 16:56:55 <Foxxz> sup
Aug 16 17:03:39 <Foxxz> anyone have the slug's ethernet driver compiled for 2.6? im working on a debian disk image for it
Aug 16 17:12:51 <kolla> yes
Aug 16 17:13:27 <kolla> if you're running little endian there's no hope afaik
Aug 16 17:14:40 <ka6sox-office> the npe driver is only compiled BE
Aug 16 17:16:11 <Foxxz> theres a new version
Aug 16 17:16:14 <Foxxz> 2.0 offers both
Aug 16 17:16:26 <Foxxz> but i dont have the montavista stuff to do it myself
Aug 16 17:19:00 <kolla> would be practical with litle endian, then I could have the slugs share code with the zaurus andvarious
Aug 16 17:19:47 <ka6sox-office> is CSR and other ixp ish things ported to LE?
Aug 16 17:20:18 <Foxxz> i have a 2.6 kernel running little endian
Aug 16 17:20:28 <Foxxz> per the debian install instructions
Aug 16 17:21:24 <Foxxz> but no onboard ethernet. there is a new intel access lib that will support the npe in LE but it require montavista or something else o compile which as i understand isnt free
Aug 16 17:24:24 <Foxxz> if you dont mind using a usb ethernet adapter then it works fine otherwise 
Aug 16 17:27:24 <ka6sox-office> mostly this group uses the BE  stuffs...haven't played much with LE on Slug.
Aug 16 17:27:41 <Foxxz> yea i kno
Aug 16 17:28:08 <ka6sox-office> only person we had working on LE stuff was beewoolie
Aug 16 17:28:15 <CIA-8> 03jbowler * 10upslug/upslug.c: 
Aug 16 17:28:15 <CIA-8> This removes the 'out of sequence' error when receiving responses - instead
Aug 16 17:28:15 <CIA-8> the command retries. This handles an observed problem on a loaded network
Aug 16 17:28:15 <CIA-8> where the upslug fails due to (apparently) dropped responses.
Aug 16 17:28:20 <ka6sox-office> and that was a bootloader that he 
Aug 16 17:28:48 <ka6sox-office> turned into BE
Aug 16 17:29:55 <Foxxz> im working on just repacking debian (LE) so it doesnt require the serial mod to get working
Aug 16 17:33:48 <geojeff> ka6sox-office, have you worked on libao makefile yet? and to get a fix, would i rerun make build-optware-nslu2? 
Aug 16 17:34:28 <ka6sox-office> I'm close...debugging
Aug 16 17:34:43 <geojeff> cool
Aug 16 17:36:11 <ka6sox-office> it'll be in the feed when its fixed.
Aug 16 17:39:24 <geojeff> k
Aug 16 18:56:03 <CIA-8> 03nail 07org.nslu2-linux.dev * rc720d4ed... 10/Makefile: Fix quoting on setup-host-debian
Aug 16 21:24:23 <geojeff> blaster8, my emerge -u world finally finished, and now i see what you mean by updating a bunch of config files -- 97  :)
Aug 17 01:36:01 <sala> can anyone explane to me how can i add 4 ram chips to nslu2, i got 128mb pc133 sdram with 8 chips
Aug 17 01:36:47 <ka6sox> you can only add 2 to the existing ones or replace them with 4 max
Aug 17 01:37:09 <sala> can i add just 2 hwhat do you mean by 4 max?
Aug 17 01:37:30 <sala> *what do you mean by 4 max?
Aug 17 01:37:41 <ka6sox> 2 banks of 2 memory devices
Aug 17 01:38:05 <sala> still don't get it
Aug 17 01:38:12 <sala> you mean 4 memory chips
Aug 17 01:39:05 <ka6sox> yes.
Aug 17 01:39:35 <sala> but is there some picture of it how can i do it
Aug 17 01:40:03 <sala> because this is juts not replaceing 2 memory chips that are there by default
Aug 17 01:41:53 <sala> If you are using 4 chips then the /CS pin (pin 19) of the 2 "piggy backed" chips should be connected together to the unconnected pin on PR12. this line is just too much to understand
Aug 17 01:42:40 <ka6sox> the other /CS pin for the "other" bank is connected to PR12
Aug 17 01:42:56 <sala> is there any scheme for it?
Aug 17 01:43:07 <ka6sox> yes
Aug 17 01:43:19 <ka6sox> they have to be the same size (any and all chips used)
Aug 17 01:43:38 <ka6sox> you can use XXM16's only
Aug 17 01:43:53 <ka6sox> it comes with 2X 8M16's for 32MB of ram
Aug 17 01:44:29 <ka6sox> you can "double" it by piggybacking 2 *more* 8M16's and create a 64MB slug.
Aug 17 01:44:48 <ka6sox> or you can replace with 16M16's for the same amount of ram (64MB)
Aug 17 01:45:11 <ka6sox> you can go all the way up to 4X 32M16's for a grand total of 256MB.
Aug 17 01:45:38 <sala> i got 8M16
Aug 17 01:45:41 <sala> 8 of them
Aug 17 01:45:57 <ka6sox> then you can piggyback them for a grand total of 64MB.
Aug 17 01:47:05 <sala> i better trying to find some 16M16 ones, then i can just add 2 of them
Aug 17 01:47:20 <ka6sox> replace them...not add.
Aug 17 01:47:29 <ka6sox> they all have to be the same size
Aug 17 01:47:44 <sala> english is not my native language, sorry:P
Aug 17 01:48:18 <sala> i take them from pc133 sdram modules
Aug 17 01:48:20 <ka6sox> no problem...you just won't see the extra 32mb if you stack 16M16's on 8M16's
Aug 17 01:49:14 <sala> i have not seen much 32M16 and i dont want to mess with 4 chips
Aug 17 01:49:40 <ka6sox> good plan
Aug 17 01:55:16 <ka6sox> sala, you are on the right track.
Aug 17 02:06:06 <CIA-8> 03ka6sox 07org.nslu2-linux.dev * r2ebe57c0... 10/Makefile: Added the Ubuntu-host-setup target
Aug 17 02:06:08 <CIA-8> 03ka6sox 07org.nslu2-linux.dev * r85c18288... 10/Makefile: Fix the added the Ubuntu-host-setup target
Aug 17 02:06:41 <dyoung> Congratulations, thats ka6sox's first monotone commit.
Aug 17 02:06:43 <blaster8> ka6sox: can you update the setup-gentoo-host target with some changes?
Aug 17 02:07:23 <blaster8> http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/mlj28/makefilechanges
Aug 17 02:07:48 <blaster8> just fixing a bug and getting ppl to use monotone 0.
Aug 17 02:07:49 <blaster8> 22
Aug 17 02:09:30 <blaster8> also, surely it should be a setup-host-ubuntu target ?? (minor niggle)
Aug 17 02:09:33 <ka6sox> what is the diff on that change?
Aug 17 02:09:49 <ka6sox> setup-host-ubuntu
Aug 17 02:09:51 <blaster8> I don't know what the current monotone makefile is
Aug 17 02:10:00 <ka6sox> k
Aug 17 02:10:09 <blaster8> the change is really simple
Aug 17 02:10:25 <blaster8> look where you get a line saying 'setup-host-gentoo:'
Aug 17 02:10:33 <ka6sox> yes
Aug 17 02:11:04 <blaster8> then copy/paste the next 5 lines into the current monotone makefile, pasting over the equivalent lines in there atm
Aug 17 02:11:35 <ka6sox> all the way up to the emerg
Aug 17 02:11:54 <blaster8> basically, you need to change monotone-0.21 to monotone-0.22 - then boost-1.32 to boost 1.32.0
Aug 17 02:12:29 <blaster8> then you have to push the changes (somehow) so the makefile on the website gets updated
Aug 17 02:13:29 <blaster8> actually, NAiL may have already updated my changes without telling me, now I actually look at the Makefile, so you may not need to bother
Aug 17 02:13:33 <blaster8> sorry
Aug 17 02:14:42 <ka6sox> k
Aug 17 02:15:17 <blaster8> remember to push your changes to get them onto the website :)
Aug 17 02:15:31 <ka6sox> I did.
Aug 17 02:15:40 <blaster8> cool
Aug 17 02:15:49 <ka6sox> but because I setup a new machine today I forgot to set something up.
Aug 17 02:15:51 <ka6sox> its fixed now.
Aug 17 02:15:58 <ka6sox> so I manually put it there.
Aug 17 02:17:04 <blaster8> do you need to muck around with /etc/apt-get/sources.list ?
Aug 17 02:17:10 <blaster8> from the default, that is
Aug 17 02:17:13 <ka6sox> yes
Aug 17 02:17:18 <ka6sox> you have to add universe
Aug 17 02:17:37 <ka6sox> I should add that to the wikipage.
Aug 17 02:17:40 <ka6sox> let me do that now.
Aug 17 02:18:24 <blaster8> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile
Aug 17 02:21:03 <CIA-8> 03dyoung 07org.nslu2-linux.dev * r0b9efff5... 10/Makefile: Housecleaning
Aug 17 02:48:52 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/make/appweb.mk: enable appweb download
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