**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 18 02:59:56 2005 Aug 18 03:00:34 btw, I have sent a message to Linksys with a formal request for the source to 2.3R63 within 7 days Aug 18 03:01:27 "or else!" ? Aug 18 03:01:44 http://pastebin.ca/20308 Aug 18 03:01:46 indeed Aug 18 03:02:04 I think the 'appropriate action' will be talking to the guy behind gplviolations.org Aug 18 03:02:13 then getting any page he puts up posted on /. Aug 18 03:02:32 sounds appropriate to me ;) Aug 18 03:04:15 Just in case you are worrying, I have never mentioned this project in any of my correspondence Aug 18 03:04:31 it's a personal request Aug 18 03:04:47 harald is very active defending the gpl Aug 18 03:04:52 and happy for user commits :) Aug 18 03:05:21 yeah, shame it's practically just him :( Aug 18 03:06:48 <-- aquadran has quit ("leaving" (null)) Aug 18 03:06:56 most people fear the bill of the lawyer Aug 18 03:07:11 and ... netfilter is used in many products :) Aug 18 03:07:15 of course Aug 18 03:07:32 probably the most pirated bit of code after the kernel itself Aug 18 03:08:50 pirated by the guys ... telling us something about their copyright Aug 18 03:08:55 (as in the userland tools that configure netfilter - sorry bit of brain failure in the last statement) Aug 18 03:10:41 hehe http://cvstrac.pfsense.com/tktview?tn=379 Aug 18 03:10:50 note who made the bug, and who it is assigned to Aug 18 03:11:42 lol Aug 18 03:11:53 and i thought ... im the only one commiting bugs to myself :) Aug 18 03:12:04 apparently not Aug 18 03:17:47 --> cbrake_away (n=cbrake@cpe-204-210-216-174.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 03:17:58 <-- marceln has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Aug 18 03:20:10 <-- cbrake_away has quit (Client Quit) Aug 18 03:25:31 --> cbrake (n=cbrake@cpe-204-210-216-174.neo.res.rr.com) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 03:26:00 --- cbrake is now known as cbrake_away Aug 18 03:27:59 --- reenoo is now known as reenoo__ Aug 18 03:28:04 --- reenoo__ is now known as reenoo_ Aug 18 03:36:34 blaster8: thanks for keeping it a personal request Aug 18 03:37:06 rwhitby: don't want to associate any trouble with this project - just common sense really Aug 18 03:39:17 --- reenoo_ is now known as reenoo_lunch Aug 18 03:40:48 indeed, but common sense is so rare these days that I appreciate it when I see it :-) Aug 18 03:41:18 <-- odoc has quit ("changing servers") Aug 18 03:41:39 --> odoc (i=odoc@is.borntobooze.de) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 03:46:03 <-- eumel has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.11/20050728]") Aug 18 03:55:07 --- geojeff|away is now known as geojeff Aug 18 03:55:19 <-- LordVan has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 18 03:59:15 --> eumel (n=chatzill@p548302A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 03:59:56 --- smw is now known as stephmw Aug 18 04:04:13 <-- cbrake_away has quit (Remote closed the connection) Aug 18 04:05:57 --- CoreDump|home is now known as CoreDump|afk Aug 18 04:11:56 --- rwhitby is now known as rwhitby-asleep Aug 18 04:14:34 --- rwhitby-asleep is now known as rwhitby-away Aug 18 04:28:51 --- reenoo_lunch is now known as reenoo_ Aug 18 04:30:51 <-- tonymy01_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 18 04:36:45 --- ZonE-HaKin9|FooD is now known as ZonE-HaKin9 Aug 18 04:39:04 <-- Timelord has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) Aug 18 04:48:18 --> mcfly587 (n=mcfly587@117-236.240.81.adsl.skynet.be) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 04:54:17 --- mickey|zzZZzz is now known as mickeyl Aug 18 05:04:37 <-- mcfly587 has quit ("Bye tout le monde ! 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Aug 18 10:33:23 <-- drw has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") Aug 18 10:35:48 --- gremlin[it] is now known as gremlin[it]|feed Aug 18 10:37:18 mr_claus: I heard that they were in sarge...make sure you apt-get update before checking the repo. Aug 18 10:37:28 or maybe they were in etch. Aug 18 10:38:45 i think in etch Aug 18 10:38:59 only version 0.18 or 0.19 is in sarge Aug 18 10:39:07 i try to do a backport Aug 18 10:39:33 0.22 for sarge is available directly from venge.net Aug 18 10:39:56 oh..there ya go. Aug 18 10:40:48 oh yes, but no repo or did i miss it? Aug 18 10:43:27 ByronT: Is the "unslung-binary-kernel" indeed the unslung 6 alpha? Aug 18 10:43:40 at this time.... Aug 18 10:44:13 Then we have still some problems. Aug 18 10:44:17 yes Aug 18 10:45:00 I have problems with: nfs and usbdevfs Aug 18 10:45:30 And the disk is mounted on "/dev/sdb" which is a litle bit strange Aug 18 10:48:03 --> eumel (n=chatzill@p54832870.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 10:49:46 marceln: does it shut down for you? Aug 18 10:50:14 btw, there is an Unslung 6.x db at yahoo Aug 18 10:50:42 I just installed it today. Aug 18 10:50:42 you two need to get your names there... (rwhitby *should* be #1 on it) Aug 18 10:51:17 I don't have an account at yahoo. Aug 18 10:53:27 I did a shutdown in the web interface. Aug 18 10:53:48 It beeped and stopped responding to the network. Aug 18 10:54:48 But the network and disk light are on. So it's not completely off Aug 18 10:55:34 same problem here Aug 18 10:56:20 Sorry but i have to do some other work. I will be back in an hour. Aug 18 10:56:27 --- marceln is now known as marceln-away Aug 18 10:59:08 --- Delta__ is now known as Delta_ Aug 18 11:00:09 --- Twiun[away] is now known as Twiun Aug 18 11:06:39 <-- gerdi__ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 18 11:13:16 --> Joschi (n=jochen@dsl-084-056-170-039.arcor-ip.net) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 11:20:07 <-- LordVan has quit ("I'm leaving now .. but i'll definitely be back ;)") Aug 18 11:22:26 hi NAiL are u here? Aug 18 11:22:55 i just created a patch for samba, now it seems to work wonderful for me... u want to give it a try? Aug 18 11:23:21 where should i put the files? post them to the mailing list? Aug 18 11:24:10 try http://pastebin.ca/ for now Aug 18 11:25:04 Joschi: or send them to nail@nslu2-linux.org Aug 18 11:25:25 --> hanjo (n=hanjo@pD9533407.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 11:28:10 NAiL: i sent u an email Aug 18 11:28:21 Joschi: thx Aug 18 11:33:30 Joschi: ok, what does that patch do, exactly? Aug 18 11:33:46 hehe Aug 18 11:34:23 http://www0.us.ioccc.org/main.html Aug 18 11:41:40 it's just one line Aug 18 11:42:03 saw that Aug 18 11:42:21 instead of growing files on fat-drives by writing 0's, it returns an error Aug 18 11:42:45 this is normally no problem, because explorer then just starts copying without growing the file before Aug 18 11:43:02 aha Aug 18 11:43:06 you can see that filesize increases while copying Aug 18 11:43:11 BUT Aug 18 11:43:45 with small files this doesn't seem to work, apparently windows INSISTS on growing the file to its target size before copying Aug 18 11:44:14 so my workaround just applies for files >10kb, this seems to work in every case Aug 18 11:44:59 aha, that's what the 10000 is Aug 18 11:45:05 so in short: when there comes a small file all is as it ever was, samba extends the filesize then copying begins Aug 18 11:45:26 for big files, samba says no, i can't extend the file, but windows don't worries Aug 18 11:46:08 yeah Aug 18 11:46:43 so the only problem migth be that theres an windows-app out there, which insists in growing a file to a special size Aug 18 11:46:58 in = on Aug 18 11:47:23 well... Do you have another linux box? Aug 18 11:47:35 i just installed coLinux :) cool thing! Aug 18 11:48:00 If you can mount the samba share on the linux box, and use dd, I'd guess that would work to see if you can "break" it Aug 18 11:48:05 i just built the whole firmware with that Aug 18 11:48:37 hm - if u can tell me the exact dd command ... ;) Aug 18 11:49:08 just use "dd if=/dev/zero of=/sambashare/testfile bs=1k count=100" Aug 18 11:49:08 (i can fit in the appropriate filenames, however ;) ) Aug 18 11:50:23 <-- ar_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) Aug 18 11:51:55 worked fine - i got a 100k testfile now :) Aug 18 11:52:07 ok, then I guess it's fine ;) Aug 18 11:52:22 hm, but i think this isn't really the problem Aug 18 11:52:33 dd just write 100k zeros to the file, right? Aug 18 11:52:44 yeah Aug 18 11:52:49 yeah this will work Aug 18 11:53:07 but theres a special system call "sys_ftruncate" (or something like that) Aug 18 11:53:31 so samba says: "i what this 1k file to be 500M now!" Aug 18 11:53:48 this is possible on ext3, but not implemented on vfat Aug 18 11:53:58 ok, so it's technically a vfat bug? Aug 18 11:54:01 aah Aug 18 11:54:13 well, a feature anomaly, if you will Aug 18 11:54:24 i don't know its just not implemented or if it isnt possible... Aug 18 11:54:37 could well be impossible Aug 18 11:54:44 maybe just M$ knows how to do it Aug 18 11:54:49 FAT isn't exactly the most advanced filesystem Aug 18 11:54:59 No. What you're talking about is sparse files and they don't exist in FAT32 Aug 18 11:55:01 --> smi (n=smi@97.213.62.81.cust.bluewin.ch) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 11:55:07 thought so Aug 18 11:55:09 And you don't use truncate Aug 18 11:55:17 You just seek Aug 18 11:55:25 but samba uses truncate i think... Aug 18 11:55:49 but i haven't looked exactly i have to admit Aug 18 11:56:30 <-- treke has quit (Remote closed the connection) Aug 18 11:56:37 hm, so given these sparse files don't exist on fat32: Aug 18 11:57:00 you shouldn't use Samba and vfat together? Aug 18 11:57:20 then none of the programs which want to expand files like that would work: doesn't matter if writing directly to fat32 or via samba Aug 18 11:57:38 so u loose nothing... Aug 18 11:58:21 It's a known problem with Samba and VFAT Aug 18 11:58:38 --- geojeff is now known as geojeff|away Aug 18 11:58:57 What exactly does your patch do? Aug 18 11:59:19 the workaround samba uses normally is to extend files by writing zeros, right? Aug 18 11:59:30 Write zeros? Aug 18 12:00:09 yepp, if the client wants to expand a file to a given size, it fills it up with zeros until this size is reached Aug 18 12:00:15 - my understanding Aug 18 12:00:26 Where does it write the zeros? Aug 18 12:00:49 ok, lets say i copy my 600M file with explorer to a samba share Aug 18 12:00:59 Okay... Aug 18 12:01:13 then explorer creates the file and wants to extend its size to 600M before the actual copy begins Aug 18 12:02:04 <-- stytchwrx has quit ( (null)) Aug 18 12:02:17 you can see this clearly when copying to ext3 - the file has immediately it final size Aug 18 12:02:39 What does your patch do? Aug 18 12:02:47 Are you bypassing ftruncate for certain sized files? Aug 18 12:02:54 right Aug 18 12:02:57 <-- VoodooZ_Work has quit (Remote closed the connection) Aug 18 12:03:01 ah, not exactly Aug 18 12:03:14 samba tries the ftruncate, and on fat32 this will fail Aug 18 12:03:28 so normally it writes these 0's, what will take too long for big files Aug 18 12:03:37 aah Aug 18 12:03:40 so i skip the zero-writing an return an error Aug 18 12:03:50 so it's Explorer being impatient ? Aug 18 12:04:05 No Aug 18 12:04:17 something is impatient Aug 18 12:04:25 explorer, samba, whatever, i don't know Aug 18 12:04:30 http://lists.samba.org/archive/samba/2003-April/065187.html Aug 18 12:04:32 Known problem Aug 18 12:04:38 for a very long time as well Aug 18 12:04:50 It's not quite as simple as just ignoring it and returning an error Aug 18 12:04:55 why not use ext3, btw? Aug 18 12:05:04 *shrug* Aug 18 12:05:19 For people that want to use a FAT32 drive with their NSLU2 Aug 18 12:05:37 well, it's their lookout Aug 18 12:06:00 i just want to be able to attach this drive to *any* pc and put files on it - simple Aug 18 12:06:09 not *every* pc understands nfts nor ext Aug 18 12:06:16 but back... Aug 18 12:06:25 erm Aug 18 12:06:25 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=43775&package_id=36151&release_id=345059 Aug 18 12:06:39 http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/ Aug 18 12:06:53 so actually, practically every PC understands at least ex2 Aug 18 12:06:54 blaster8: i know.. Aug 18 12:07:04 but i don't want to have to install anything Aug 18 12:07:23 we all know about the lack of a universal filesystem - it's not new... Aug 18 12:07:40 sure Aug 18 12:08:02 but i would like to know, whats the problem with my patch :) Aug 18 12:08:38 <-- Delta_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) Aug 18 12:10:04 Tiersten: i also read this thread already and did it the way they propose Aug 18 12:10:05 d Aug 18 12:10:17 but then i couldn't copy *SMALL* files anymore Aug 18 12:10:31 so i extend small files, but return an error for big files Aug 18 12:11:18 I'm just saying that if it was this easy to fix then wouldn't you have thought they'd have done it over 2 years ago? Aug 18 12:11:30 so i thing you loose nothing like that - for applications that NEED extension - u just have to use ext - either way Aug 18 12:11:32 Or it's just not possible to fix and you shouldn't use VFAT Aug 18 12:11:44 sure :) Aug 18 12:11:53 In which case, you shouldn't hack Samba Aug 18 12:12:28 i think for openslug - this is nails decision in the end - and i can use the samba i want ;) Aug 18 12:17:06 by the way - anyone printing with samba / cups Aug 18 12:17:06 ? Aug 18 12:17:21 cups works fine, but samba won't :( Aug 18 12:18:49 <-- NSLU2-IRC has quit ( (null)) Aug 18 12:19:56 <[g2]> jacques, samba worked fine on openslug last I checked Aug 18 12:20:04 <[g2]> doh! jacques sorry :) Aug 18 12:20:14 <[g2]> Josch samba worked fine on openslug last I checked Aug 18 12:22:51 --- Delta__ is now known as Delta- Aug 18 12:23:07 --- Delta- is now known as Delta_ Aug 18 12:28:10 right, off to Wales Aug 18 12:28:11 <-- Joschi has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Aug 18 12:28:14 see you Sunday Aug 18 12:28:20 <[g2]> cheers Aug 18 12:28:22 --- blaster8 is now known as blaster8-wales Aug 18 12:28:24 cheers Aug 18 12:28:29 thanks Aug 18 12:40:03 --- reenoo_ is now known as reenoo_kitchen Aug 18 12:45:11 <-- ar_ has quit (Remote closed the connection) Aug 18 12:46:29 <-- blgoeris has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) Aug 18 12:50:55 --> odoc (i=odoc@is.borntobooze.de) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 12:52:07 <-- eumel has quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.11/20050728]") Aug 18 12:52:45 <-- mr_claus has quit ("Client exiting") Aug 18 12:56:28 <-- CosmicPenguin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Aug 18 13:00:48 <-- [cc]smart has quit (Remote closed the connection) Aug 18 13:12:13 <-- macsat has quit ("Leaving" (null)) Aug 18 13:21:11 heh, I installed samba on an openslug yesterday, and it worked just fine Aug 18 13:21:38 I've been actively using samba on openslug for more than a month Aug 18 13:22:33 Now, if I can get the Synology DS 101 hacked, and get it to run OpenSlug, I'm a happy man ;) Aug 18 13:24:26 --- reenoo_kitchen is now known as reenoo_ Aug 18 13:26:32 <-- blaster8-wales has quit ( (null)) Aug 18 13:30:08 <-- mithro has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) Aug 18 13:35:06 <-- stevenh has quit ("Leaving" (null)) Aug 18 13:42:16 <-- prpplague has quit ("Client Exiting") Aug 18 13:48:03 --> mithro (n=tim@c213-100-42-188.swipnet.se) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 13:56:48 --> ByronT_ (i=ByronT@nslu2-linux/ByronT) has joined #nslu2-linux Aug 18 13:58:15 <-- ByronT has quit (Nick collision from services.) 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Aug 18 18:26:27 ~seen ingeba-awat Aug 18 18:26:28 NAiL: i haven't seen 'ingeba-awat' Aug 18 18:26:29 ~seen ingeba-awa� Aug 18 18:26:30 i haven't seen 'ingeba-awa�', NAiL Aug 18 18:48:49 Note that autobuild logs can now be found in http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/buildlogs/ Aug 18 18:49:01 ucslugc and openslug-native are currently failing. Aug 18 18:50:11 where's the actual error? Aug 18 18:50:58 unslung-native is also failing. Aug 18 18:51:20 ucslugc in glib, openslug-native in apache, and optware/nslu2-native in asterisk Aug 18 18:51:36 rwhitby-web: I've found heaps of info from the DS now. http://opensyn.kynisk.com/ for updates ;) Aug 18 18:52:00 Next step is to have the autobuilds send a message here somehow when the autobuilds fail. Aug 18 18:53:45 yeah maybe through a bot Aug 18 18:54:04 rwhitby-web: Looks like we can kindof use the unslung feed for the DS, replacing /opt with /writeable Aug 18 18:54:14 I could do it through CIA ... Aug 18 18:54:35 NAiL: why not just bind mount /writeable/opt to /opt ? Aug 18 18:54:52 rwhitby-web: damn, that's a good solution ;) Aug 18 18:55:52 or /volume1/opt to /opt Aug 18 18:56:31 volume1 is the internal disk.. hda1 is mounted on /writeable, and has 80-something mb free. hda4 is basically the rest of the disk. Aug 18 18:56:46 hda2 is swap, some 300-and lots of mb Aug 18 18:57:52 now, I wonder if it's possible to get apex on this thing ;) Aug 18 18:59:32 NAiL: whats the disk-to-net performance? Aug 18 19:00:59 It was rather quick, I think. Hang on a sec. Aug 18 19:01:07 http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-190-ProdID-DS101.php Aug 18 19:01:22 if it's twice as fast as the slug, then I'm interested ... Aug 18 19:02:16 NAiL: what would be the advantage of apex, it's just a bit faster than redboot and supports more ram and suchlike? Aug 18 19:02:36 malfi: It's smaller and faster Aug 18 19:02:38 especially cause it has spin-down too. Aug 18 19:04:18 rwhitby-web: twice as fast? No. But it's noticeably faster Aug 18 19:04:31 "An interesting feature on the box is a "USB Copy" button on the front panel. " Aug 18 19:05:07 malfi: Now, where is that button? Is it the power-button? :) Aug 18 19:05:18 that was just a quote from the review Aug 18 19:05:55 I'll be damned Aug 18 19:05:59 there is a button there Aug 18 19:06:04 * malfi grins. Aug 18 19:06:08 hmm Aug 18 19:06:23 I wonder how that works Aug 18 19:06:36 How many gpio lines does the ixp have? Aug 18 19:06:58 ah Aug 18 19:07:33 there's four leds (all single color), a buzzer, reset / powerbutton. I guess the USBCopy is another GPIO Aug 18 19:08:46 look at the strings <6>synobios_interrupt_gpio4: USBCopy button pushed Aug 18 19:09:04 yeah Aug 18 19:09:21 nslu2-io.c defines gpio4 to the buzzer Aug 18 19:09:37 well, they've probably used a different order on the DS ;) Aug 18 19:09:59 rwhitby-web: Any suggestions for optware/ ? ;) Aug 18 19:10:55 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/HomePage Aug 18 19:11:29 sluglogy Aug 18 19:11:30 I wonder what is necessary to enable the minipci slot in the DS Aug 18 19:11:53 Are there internal pictures anywhere? Aug 18 19:12:05 hang on, and I'll try to upload a couple Aug 18 19:12:10 eh Aug 18 19:12:19 http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews/images/scrnshots/ds101/Figure10_full.jpg Aug 18 19:12:31 ah, nice Aug 18 19:12:44 We need to reorganise optware feeds: optware/nslu2, optware/wl500g, optware/ds101, (e.g. optware/ds101/cross/unstable) Aug 18 19:13:09 ooh, nice Aug 18 19:13:11 yes Aug 18 19:14:35 augh Aug 18 19:14:43 That's a different hardware revision than mine, apparently Aug 18 19:14:49 It's got an intel flash-chip Aug 18 19:14:55 Mine's a DOC thingy Aug 18 19:15:21 is yours on the alternative solder pads ? Aug 18 19:15:41 nope, same Aug 18 19:15:47 eeh Aug 18 19:15:48 no Aug 18 19:15:54 it's on alternate solder pads yes Aug 18 19:16:05 Just checked to be sure ;) Aug 18 19:22:47 NAiL: can you see the DS-101g hre: http://www.eet.no/ Aug 18 19:23:01 Anyone seen a DS-101g for sale anywhere? Aug 18 19:24:06 rwhitby-web: no, and yes Aug 18 19:24:38 http://www.synology.com/enu/about_synology/index.php?page=profile.html Aug 18 19:24:40 hehe Aug 18 19:25:17 proselytes... ;) Aug 18 19:25:20 NAiL: where's the yes? Aug 18 19:25:38 rwhitby-web: There's a few shops here in Norway that carries the DS-101g+ Aug 18 19:26:15 specifically mamoz.no, komplett.no and hardwareshop.no Aug 18 19:26:30 http://www.bytewizecomputers.com/products/7/1/310/8677 Aug 18 19:27:50 NAiL: how much in USD$ ? Aug 18 19:28:20 376USD Aug 18 19:28:25 malfi: I'm after the DS-101g(plus) Aug 18 19:28:29 http://triointernational.com/all.cfm/partno/DS101G+ Aug 18 19:28:39 $223.71 Aug 18 19:28:52 thx Aug 18 19:29:50 rwhitby-web: I suspect that the performance will increase a bit when it's running "opensyn" as well.. Aug 18 19:30:27 It's *very* tempting to get a 101g+ Aug 18 19:31:08 But currently I don't have a spare S-ATA disk. And it's not similar enough to the slug that I feel comfortable hacking it (yet) ;) Aug 18 19:33:39 I'll be damned. If I buy the DS-101g+ from triointernational, I'll save like... 100 USD Aug 18 19:33:48 That'll end up cheaper than the DS-101 Aug 18 19:33:59 Maybe I can afford both? :D Aug 18 19:34:16 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5797980594 Aug 18 19:34:28 it's got a fan :-/ Aug 18 19:34:46 it does? Aug 18 19:34:48 dang Aug 18 19:35:28 heey Aug 18 19:35:34 $395 AU...Sad Aug 18 19:35:47 It's got an ext S-ATA-connector in addition to the 3 USB2 ports Aug 18 19:36:03 shipping rates are much lower from this ebay guy compared to triointernational Aug 18 19:37:19 mattthew: is that for the DS-101 or DS-101g(plus) Aug 18 19:37:30 well, if the DS-101g+ costs me a fair bit less than two slugs, it is very tempting Aug 18 19:37:43 even though that fan part is annoying Aug 18 19:39:25 malfi: I have a network of shippers in the US who do a far better deal than that on the shipping to Australia :-) Aug 18 19:39:32 101 from scorpion not a + compucon seem to be the disty Aug 18 19:40:09 aaaugh Aug 18 19:40:15 looks like I'll need one of each Aug 18 19:40:36 Not that I've got the *faintest* idea of what I'm actually going to use the storage space for Aug 18 19:41:36 oh well.. I'll start with the non-g version for now Aug 18 19:41:36 https://rnvs.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/twiki/bin/view/Main/NetworkAttachedStorage Aug 18 19:41:48 mattthew: I called CompuCon - no earlier than next month Aug 18 19:42:00 back later ... Aug 18 20:00:16 https://www.revolutionstore.com/revogear/productView.asp?productID=2 looks nice too, 128mb ram, but not sure, if it's really a ppc Aug 18 20:00:47 Why aren't you sure? Aug 18 20:00:56 It says so in the text right next to it Aug 18 20:01:14 it is, IIRC it's the same CPU Aug 18 20:01:50 It is the same as what is used in the DS-101g+ yes Aug 18 20:02:01 I'm not sure, because power might also be a marketing term and the text doesn't seem to be written for the tech savy... Aug 18 20:02:17 Be sure. It IS a PowerPC Aug 18 20:02:43 http://www.taupro.com/wiki/KuroBox/FAQs Aug 18 20:02:44 If it was a "powerful PC 266MHz" processor then yes Aug 18 20:03:07 Otherwise no, if you see "PowerPC" without any spaces and those specific letters uppercase then assume it is a PowerPC CPU Aug 18 20:03:08 128mb + floating point support, sweeeeet Aug 18 20:03:41 what the?! Aug 18 20:03:44 What is the purpose of connector CN4? Aug 18 20:03:44 A: Connector CN4 is a programming port for the AVR. Aug 18 20:03:44 * Pin 1 = MISO Aug 18 20:03:44 * Pin 2 = VCC Aug 18 20:03:44 * Pin 3 = SCK Aug 18 20:03:46 * Pin 4 = MOSI Aug 18 20:03:49 * Pin 5 = ~RST Aug 18 20:03:51 *neat* Aug 18 20:04:15 Unless you know how to replicate the programming in the AVR then I wouldn't mess with it Aug 18 20:04:22 It's part of the watchdog Aug 18 20:04:22 hehe, no Aug 18 20:04:25 And does the switches Aug 18 20:04:26 aah, nice Aug 18 20:04:27 and LEDs Aug 18 20:04:33 and god knows what else since it's poorly documented Aug 18 20:04:36 Hehe Aug 18 20:04:55 Well, I could probably get my friend at atmel to look at it ;) Aug 18 20:05:12 There should be a fan control and monitoring chip as well but it's probably connected via the AVR Aug 18 20:06:16 The KuroBox is a PowerPC, the KuroBox HG is also a PowerPC, the old Linkstations were PowerPC BUT the new LinkStations are MIPS Aug 18 20:06:16 even IBM hacked it: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/pa-bargain.html Aug 18 20:06:39 TeraStations are PowerPC as well and are basically a Kuro Box HG with an extra IDE controller Aug 18 20:07:46 More specifically a KuroBox HG is a TeraStation with a IDE controller taken off Aug 18 20:08:21 but the terastation doesn't have usb? Aug 18 20:08:39 It's identical apart from the fact it's got an extra IDE controller Aug 18 20:08:41 It's got USB Aug 18 20:09:15 oh https://rnvs.informatik.tu-chemnitz.de/twiki/bin/view/Main/NetworkAttachedStorage is wrong then Aug 18 20:09:41 Yes Aug 18 20:10:02 anyone here from Austrialia? Aug 18 20:10:09 Not me Aug 18 20:10:26 there is one aussie but he's not here at the moment. why? Aug 18 20:10:28 I think rwhitby said something about it before Aug 18 20:10:55 I was going to ask for recommendations on websites for booking travel domestically Aug 18 20:11:18 I'm trying to figure out if I can afford to take a trip. :) Aug 18 20:11:46 ah. he's not here at the moment anyway. try back later Aug 18 20:12:40 yup I will Aug 18 20:12:51 malfi: The table is incorrect but later down the page it is correct in saying it has 4 USB 2 ports Aug 18 20:13:27 Im in AU... Aug 18 20:13:29 There is a serial port on the back as well which you're supposed to use to connect to a UPS so it can autopowerdown in the event of powerfailure Aug 18 20:13:49 Nice ... thats how i make my living...selling UPS Aug 18 20:13:57 but most are USB now Aug 18 20:14:01 If you open up the TeraStation and remove some SMD resistors and fit some jumpers then you can get to the serial console Aug 18 20:14:17 In theory you can plug it into a USB port but Buffalo don't currently support that Aug 18 20:14:33 you've got such a terastation? Aug 18 20:14:38 Yes Aug 18 20:15:28 It's a bit pricey for a toy to play with... :-( Aug 18 20:19:10 I want to boot a powererd off NSLU2 without hitting power Aug 18 20:19:10 Your best and only bet is to modify the hardware Aug 18 20:19:10 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/ForcePowerAlwaysOn Aug 18 20:19:11 ah... Aug 18 20:19:20 that's another alternative I guess. lol Aug 18 20:19:36 No alternatives Aug 18 20:19:45 That's the only solution Aug 18 20:20:01 When the NSLU2 is off then nothing at all is running so WoL won't work Aug 18 20:20:15 The CPU and Ethernet interface are totally off Aug 18 20:20:23 Big UPS? Aug 18 20:20:47 Nah. You'll always need Capacity + 1 no matter how big your UPS is :) Aug 18 20:21:05 Genset? Aug 18 20:21:32 Maybe. I hope you'd be powering other stuff apart from just a NSLU2 :) Aug 18 20:21:50 Asus router and cable modem... Aug 18 20:22:13 and Laptop charger. Aug 18 20:22:25 ah. was about to ask about the PC! Aug 18 20:22:35 Even our tv is on a UPS. :) Aug 18 20:22:41 hahah Aug 18 20:22:43 Tiersten: thanks that was the info I was looking for Aug 18 20:22:46 Now that's dedicated! Aug 18 20:23:06 jumpkick: np Aug 18 20:23:18 Nite people Aug 18 20:23:22 Night Aug 18 20:23:49 I find now with the nslu2 setup to do the hunter-gathering. i need a pc less and less. Aug 18 20:23:53 let me guess, your tv UPS must be powerfull enough to last until the emergency backup generator kicks in? :) Aug 18 20:24:02 Yip Aug 18 20:24:26 You got cable TV or satellite? Aug 18 20:24:32 I hope you've got that on the UPS as well if so Aug 18 20:24:36 Digital Free to air Aug 18 20:24:43 nite Aug 18 20:24:49 its all UPS's Aug 18 20:24:49 lol... OTA HD rules Aug 18 20:25:03 I don't have a UPS for mine... I think my TV is too big for that Aug 18 20:25:17 No the ups is too small. Aug 18 20:25:59 Std stock item for this office is 7kVA and lower Aug 18 20:26:33 You actually got any house left over or is it full of UPS units? :) Aug 18 20:26:40 Or maybe the house is made of UPS boxes... Aug 18 20:26:42 7kVA is $4700 ish Aug 18 20:27:14 They hide very nicely... there is always room for another. Aug 18 20:28:12 ouch Aug 18 20:28:24 well it's not much for a business I guess Aug 18 20:29:03 thats right. but after 7 its big numbers Aug 18 22:32:14 Re: Synology DS-101g(plus): http://www.synology.com/enu/support/detail_faq.php?q_id=242 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 19 02:59:56 2005