**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 02:59:56 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 03:33:58 2005 Aug 25 03:48:01 03marceln * 10unslung/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Minor update to dovecot 1.0.alpha1 Aug 25 04:19:24 matthew: ping Aug 25 04:19:35 marceln: nice minibanner ... Aug 25 05:14:39 rwhitby: ? Aug 25 05:15:35 oops - got you and marcelo mixed up. Nice slug logo ... Aug 25 05:16:03 I reckon it must be about time to judge a winner of that competition ... Aug 25 05:16:44 O. You mean the logo's Aug 25 05:17:04 yeah, how does your logo look for this usage: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/CustomizingYourLinksysAdminPages ? Aug 25 05:26:39 I didn't try it until now. Aug 25 05:27:04 I have to do something about the purple. Aug 25 05:27:40 definitely Aug 25 05:30:26 It's transparent. But they didn't set the background color there. Aug 25 05:31:57 There are two solutions. Replace the transparent color or change the page to use the default background. Aug 25 05:32:22 After that it a lot better. Aug 25 06:13:16 blaster8, rwhitby: There is a purple version as well. Aug 25 06:18:48 the black, white and yellow look good, but the red looks hard to read on the purple version ... Aug 25 06:18:49 I know I'm dreaming but anybody have experience with speech recognition under linux and if so, do you think it would work on a slug? (at much reduced rate/voc. size) Aug 25 06:19:12 "Slug, Sit!" Aug 25 06:19:38 hehehe Aug 25 06:19:41 Damn right! Aug 25 06:20:20 Or even a basic speech synth to make it warn you of problems. Aug 25 06:23:01 You main that it can read files for you> Aug 25 06:24:03 "Open the pod door, Slug." Aug 25 06:24:28 http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/ Aug 25 06:24:42 "I'm sorry, VoodooZ_Work, I'm afraid I can't do that." Aug 25 06:25:17 * VoodooZ_Work on phone Aug 25 06:25:34 "My mind is going... I can feel it" <-- Quote AmnesiaSlug Aug 25 06:26:49 whooopeeee Aug 25 06:26:54 My ds101 is in stock Aug 25 06:27:05 * AwayNAiL runs to the store Aug 25 06:27:23 * VoodooZ_Work is back Aug 25 06:27:54 for my robot speech recognition would be real nice for demos but probably very limited. Aug 25 06:28:16 speech synth would just be a debugging aid. (ex: "Logic Battery is Low") Aug 25 06:28:31 rwhitby, good one! Aug 25 06:29:24 I wonder if festival is known to work on ARM though. Aug 25 06:29:40 I'll have to get myself a cheap (and real small) USB audio dongle. Aug 25 06:30:06 I've seen several on ebay (mostly in the UK) but they are all no-names with no specs so I can't tell if linux supports them. Aug 25 06:30:49 where should additional software installed if the software is not part of the original operating system? Aug 25 06:31:31 mr_claus_: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ Aug 25 06:34:51 rwhitby: thx, so it means optional binary packages should go into /opt/package Aug 25 06:43:41 re all Aug 25 06:43:58 g'day kitno455 Aug 25 07:14:21 rwhitby, nice call on the new mailing list Aug 25 07:14:43 rwhitby: Yes, good move. Aug 25 07:14:43 i have dropped my moderator status and left nslu2-linux Aug 25 07:14:56 I'll stay and filter spam Aug 25 07:17:30 though i daresay that the distinction between -linux and -general is quite small Aug 25 07:18:21 yeah, agreed. Aug 25 11:26:11 uh, I wish I knew what to do with bug 274, I don't even have an unslung box to test on Aug 25 11:28:34 <[cc]smart> Hi. Nowadays we seem to need the -k option to get at updates... is there a MasterMakefile that does use it ? Aug 25 11:28:48 <[cc]smart> Or am i conceptually wrong ? Aug 25 11:29:05 <[cc]smart> Then i tried -k using my key manually, what i got is a response about dreambox... Aug 25 11:29:08 <[cc]smart> access denied. Aug 25 11:29:41 <[cc]smart> Thought dreambox is this other device and i would not need it, but it cries out when i try to pull OE. Aug 25 11:29:57 make-update-master && make setup since the changes in monotone? Aug 25 11:30:15 <[cc]smart> nay, but freshly fetched Makefile from nslu3-linux.org Aug 25 11:30:19 <[cc]smart> s/3/2 Aug 25 11:30:23 :) Aug 25 11:30:34 <[cc]smart> so Makefile there is not up to date ? Aug 25 11:30:45 should be.. I think.. Aug 25 11:31:20 <[cc]smart> but actuall, make update, which i did, seems to include update-master Aug 25 11:31:21 should be. Aug 25 11:31:33 yep, its updated Aug 25 11:31:38 have you run make setup? Aug 25 11:31:56 <[cc]smart> no, sounds like a new feat... Aug 25 11:31:59 <[cc]smart> let me see Aug 25 11:32:23 you have to run that, to update to the new default-include-pattern Aug 25 11:32:29 iirc Aug 25 11:33:22 <[cc]smart> oh my god... is there some doco on what all this stuff is it does ? Aug 25 11:33:39 <[cc]smart> it seems i will not know my pc once i ran that :) Aug 25 11:34:07 I have no idea on documentation.. Aug 25 11:38:39 [cc]smart: monotone -d monotone/nslu2-linux.db unset database default-include-pattern && make setup Aug 25 11:42:03 <[cc]smart> hmm.. started make setup earlier... will probably better let it finish before i retry Aug 25 11:47:03 make setup should unset default-include-pattern the first thing it does, iirc Aug 25 11:53:12 ag, good Aug 25 12:31:17 Hi, is there a kernel-header package available, so I can natively compile modules on my openslug? Aug 25 12:43:18 trok check ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org Aug 25 12:49:41 Thanks for the tip, but Aug 25 12:49:54 there does not seem to be a pkg available Aug 25 12:50:26 I guess I will have to install the full cross devel environment on my pc Aug 25 15:12:39 are notifications broken? Aug 25 15:12:41 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openembedded/5878 <- commit message requirements for commits to org.openembedded.dev Aug 25 15:17:30 ka6sox-office: should be fixed now Aug 25 15:18:25 138 revs in .... Aug 25 15:19:25 whoa Aug 25 15:19:56 packages that assume that the host includes are okay... Aug 25 15:20:53 rwhitby, has that been made official? Aug 25 15:21:05 or is it just "suggested"? Aug 25 15:26:31 ka6sox-office: I believe that is official Aug 25 15:31:22 I'm going to need a template to remember that. Aug 25 15:31:34 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r7a93d384... 10/conf/ (distro/maemo-preferred.inc machine/netvista.conf): Aug 25 15:31:34 Update netvista cinguration. Aug 25 15:31:34 Fix several version numbers for the maemo images. Aug 25 15:31:38 03rw 07org.openembedded.dev * r67c06308... 10/packages/vlc/ (4 files in 3 dirs): vlc-gpe: make 0.8.1 work with more recent tremor API. patch courtesy of Philipp Zabel. fixes Bug #205. Aug 25 15:31:41 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r20c7d325... 10/conf/distro/ucslugc-packages.conf: Add intltool and libgsm, needed for obexftp Aug 25 15:31:44 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r825202e5... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.4.conf: add last bits of borzoi support configuration Aug 25 15:31:46 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rc5331de7... 10/packages/maemo/osso-gnome-vfs2_2.8.4.4-1.bb: Update dependencies to a fixed version of dbus. Change PROVIDES to virtual/gnome-vfs. Aug 25 15:31:49 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * rb7c690b3... 10/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add vim to openslug feed Aug 25 15:31:51 thar she blows! Aug 25 15:31:52 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r2fcf6fe8... 10/packages/obexpush/obexpush-native_1.0.0.bb: add obexpush-native Aug 25 15:31:57 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r52fd1ab0... 10/packages/xdpyinfo/xdpyinfo_cvs.bb: Add missing dependency to xtst. Aug 25 15:31:58 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * ra4042c98... 10/packages/pciutils/pciutils_2.1.11.bb: Add pci.ids, in a separate package Aug 25 15:32:01 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r603d3c23... 10/packages/gpe-bluetooth/gpe-bluetooth_0.42.bb: Introduce a new version of gpe-bluetooth. Aug 25 15:32:04 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r9885852a... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Add a missed patch for spitz usb host Aug 25 15:32:07 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r771edb7e... 10/packages/gpe-conf/gpe-conf_0.1.25.bb: Add new version of gpe-conf. Aug 25 15:32:10 03justinp 07org.openembedded.dev * r269ecf74... 10/packages/gpe-session-scripts/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Remove XDefaults as well to fix collision errors Aug 25 15:32:12 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r3b9315d4... 10/packages/pciutils/pciutils_2.1.11.bb: Update DESCRIPTION Aug 25 15:32:16 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * re8bfb35a... 10/packages/opie-i18n/ (opie-i18n.inc opie-i18n_1.2.0.bb opie-i18n_cvs.bb): opie-i18n: package opie-dict-en also Aug 25 15:32:19 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r896b4049... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: GPE 2.7: update gpe-bluetooth to 0.42 Aug 25 15:32:22 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r28199200... 10/packages/gnome/libgnomeprint_2.8.2.bb: libgnomeprint: added EXTRA_OECONF = "--with-cups=no" to prevent pulling in of hosts cups stuff. Aug 25 15:32:25 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r4ee9f0fd... 10/packages/hostap/ (2 files in 2 dirs): hostap: Add cardid table so it works with recent kernels Aug 25 15:32:28 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r4f3c6ab6... 10/packages/sharp-binary-only/sharp-sdmmc-support_2.4.18-rmk7-pxa3-embedix.bb: add borzoi variant of sharp-sdmmc driver Aug 25 15:32:31 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * rb7f12e46... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus-2.6.13-rc5-mm1/dtl1_cs-add-socket-revE.patch: linux-oz: added info from upstream about future of dtl1_cs-add-socket-revE.patch Aug 25 15:32:34 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r791935fd... 10/packages/maemo/osso-gnome-vfs2_2.8.4.4-1.bb: Fix typo. Aug 25 15:32:36 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rce4141d6... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: GPE 2.7: use gpe-conf 0.1.25 Aug 25 15:32:39 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r1dee3757... 10/conf/machine/tune-arm926ejs.conf: Fix typo in -mtune value. Aug 25 15:32:42 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rf83ca42f... 10/packages/gpe-mini-browser/gpe-mini-browser_cvs.bb: Add sqlite to gpe-mini-browser depends Aug 25 15:32:44 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r8981688a... 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (glib-2.0_2.8.0.bb glib-2.0_2.8.1.bb): glib-2.0: upgrade to 2.8.1 Aug 25 15:32:47 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r0ad28d6b... 10/packages/pango/pango_1.10.0.bb: pango: add version 1.10.0 Aug 25 15:32:49 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * rab3bfea8... 10/packages/gtk+/ (14 files in 2 dirs): Add gtk+ 2.8.0 Aug 25 15:32:52 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r306834bf... 10/packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.8.0.bb: gtk-2.8.0: syntax correction Aug 25 15:32:55 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r26a17ae9... 10/packages/x11/x11-common/etc/X11/Xserver: x11-common: Correct spitz resolution - confirmed on 2.4 and fixes Xserver on 2.6 kernels Aug 25 15:32:58 03ph5 07org.openembedded.dev * r74801abf... 10/conf/bitbake.conf: mkdir the 'patches' directory before calling quilt Aug 25 15:33:01 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * rb1c39c88... 10/packages/hostap/ (4 files in 2 dirs): added hostap modules 0.4.4 (development version which works with kernel 2.6.13) Aug 25 15:33:04 03pohly 07org.openembedded.dev * rb4bff47a... 10/conf/machine/h3900.conf: bugzilla bug 83: list all supported architectures so that tune-xscale can be used Aug 25 15:33:07 03ph5 07org.openembedded.dev * r65c6c7a1... 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: fix regexp to strip cvs kernel versions, too. (fixes #230) Aug 25 15:33:11 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r6ea9d797... 10/packages/pcmciautils/ (pcmciautils_005.bb pcmciautils_007.bb): updated pcmciautils to 007 Aug 25 15:33:13 03ph5 07org.openembedded.dev * r4a2c1667... 10/classes/kernel.bbclass: Aug 25 15:33:15 makes the kernel-module-af-packet package add "alias net-pf-17 af_packet" to Aug 25 15:33:17 /etc/modules.conf (fixes #233). Aug 25 15:33:19 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r5a11cecc... 10/packages/pcmciautils/ (pcmciautils_001.bb pcmciautils_002.bb pcmciautils_003.bb): removed old versions of pcmciautils Aug 25 15:33:22 03ph5 07org.openembedded.dev * r1d77ddb0... 10/packages/libdaemon/libdaemon_0.6.bb: install dexec.h into the staging area Aug 25 15:33:25 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r889c17fb... 10/packages/cairo/cairo_1.0.0.bb: Add cairo 1.0.0 Aug 25 15:33:27 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * rdbfb34fc... 10/packages/obexpush/ (obexpush-native_1.0.0.bb obexpush_1.0.0.bb): obexpush: fix opd init script permission Aug 25 15:33:30 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r671aa166... 10/packages/initscripts/initscripts_1.0.bb: initscripts: install keymap also on borzoi Aug 25 15:33:33 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * ra91a76a6... 10/packages/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Move qc-usb Aug 25 15:33:35 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r442f062b... 10/packages/meta/opie-collections.inc: add opie-autorotateapplet also on borzoi Aug 25 15:33:38 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * ra6cc7e9f... 10/packages/meta/openslug-packages.bb: Re-add qc-usb-messenger to openslug feed Aug 25 15:33:41 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r617b38d3... 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Update DESCRIPTION Aug 25 15:33:44 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * rd1519ff3... 10/packages/musicpd/mpd_0.11.5.bb: Update mpd to latest version Aug 25 15:33:47 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r9fd4fd7a... 10/packages/libao/libao_0.8.6.bb: Update libao to latest version Aug 25 15:33:50 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r8bdd9843... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: general cleanup of spitz patches. Disable debugging of common power/battery code Aug 25 15:33:53 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r01c816a6... 10/packages/syslog-ng/syslog-ng_1.6.8.bb: Add initscript. Remove/reinstall busybox syslog on install/remove. Should work entirely out of the box now Aug 25 15:33:56 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r372eed5d... 10/packages/syslog-ng/syslog-ng_1.6.8.bb: Forgot INITSCRIPT_PARAMS. Duh. Aug 25 15:34:01 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * rce3e6a98... 10/packages/syslog-ng/syslog-ng_1.6.8.bb: Add -f to update-rc.d Aug 25 15:34:04 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r3aec9f1e... 10/packages/syslog-ng/syslog-ng_1.6.8.bb: Bump PR *sigh* Aug 25 15:34:07 03xora 07org.openembedded.dev * r37af17bf... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-openzaurus-2.6.13: added lines to autoload the pxaficp_ir module, Irda will now work on boot with this kernel. Aug 25 15:34:10 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * re4f67876... 10/packages/scap/ (files/scap.sh scap_0.1.bb): Aug 25 15:34:12 Update scap script to include a delay of 5 seconds and to toggle Aug 25 15:34:14 the backlight on systems with "bl". Aug 25 15:34:16 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * r18929130... 10/packages/syslog-ng/files/initscript: Add the initscript itself. How did I manage to miss this? *slap* Aug 25 15:34:19 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r4658c406... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: More patch rearranging, mainly for spitz. Tedious but neccessary... Aug 25 15:34:22 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r28bb58fd... 10/packages/meta/meta-sdk.bb: Deactivate missing development packages breaking the SDK. Aug 25 15:34:25 03mickeyl 07org.openembedded.dev * r29731922... 10/packages/libopie/libopie2.inc: libopie2: disable the sqlite backend for libopiepim2 Aug 25 15:34:28 03nail 07org.openembedded.dev * rdca4f1b7... 10/packages/libdvb/ (files/topf2ps.patch libdvb_0.5.5.1.bb): Add Topfield patch Aug 25 15:34:31 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra9b92ce3... 10/packages/scap/ (files/scap.sh scap_0.1.bb): Reduce delay to 2 seconds. Aug 25 15:34:34 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * rff177178... 10/packages/hostap/ (6 files in 3 dirs): added hostap-daemon 0.4.4 (development version) Aug 25 15:34:37 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r280bddc2... 10/packages/scap/ (files/scap.desktop scap_0.1.bb): Change text. Aug 25 15:34:40 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r97813a7e... 10/packages/hostap/hostap-utils_0.4.0.bb: added hostap-utils 0.4.0 (development version) Aug 25 15:34:43 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r3789df83... 10/packages/gpe-session-scripts/gpe-session-scripts_0.64.bb: New release of gpe-session-scripts. Aug 25 15:34:46 03justinp 07org.openembedded.dev * r509d6e16... 10/packages/linux-hotplug/linux-hotplug_20040920.bb: Fix bug 257, hotplug and hotplug-doc both provide hotplug Aug 25 15:34:49 03justinp 07org.openembedded.dev * r90361a98... 10/packages/linux-hotplug/linux-hotplug_20040329.bb: fix older version of linux-hotplug as well Aug 25 15:34:52 03justinp 07org.openembedded.dev * r0495eaa1... 10/packages/meta/ (e-image-core.bb e-image.bb meta-e-x11.bb): Aug 25 15:34:55 Move e core dependencies to task-enlightenment-x11-core Aug 25 15:34:57 Add e-image-core to allow for a smaller image Aug 25 15:34:59 e-image should still work as expected, but I haven't tested it yet Aug 25 15:35:01 e-image-core currently doe snot work as you can't login to entrance (keyboard doesn't work). This is propably a missing RDEPENDS Aug 25 15:35:04 03hrw 07org.openembedded.dev * r92a32d63... 10/packages/kdepimpi/ (4 files): updated kdepim/pi to 2.2.3 Aug 25 15:35:07 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3a8d976e... 10/packages/gpe-buttonbox/gpe-buttonbox_cvs.bb: gpe-buttonbox : add cvs version Aug 25 15:43:21 I think that's it ... poor ciabot had constipation ... Aug 25 15:47:32 * dyoung-zzzz gives ciabot cod liver oil Aug 25 15:52:53 dyoung-zzzz: I already administered the laxative, and you can see the results up the page a bit ^^^ Aug 25 15:54:10 "a bit". Aug 25 15:54:35 glad I don't have to clean up that ..... Aug 25 15:54:47 Yep! Aug 25 15:54:53 Thats a lot of .... Aug 25 17:20:30 VoodooZ_Log: festival works fine for ARM. It sounds like crap however... Aug 25 17:22:10 If you want announcements that are clear and sound nice then you'll have to either record them or possibly use a commercial package if that is allowed Aug 25 17:46:12 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r35809959... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: More patch rearranging. Update usb host patches (start pushing to mainline). Add spitz IR support (untested). Aug 25 19:23:09 Rod i ordered the 101g today...Expected in my hands wed next week Aug 25 19:23:59 Nice - will you be in a position to take it apart and take hi-res photos? Aug 25 19:24:33 Why not...I have a half decent camera and a light bulb. Aug 25 19:25:32 I have a set of 80 Sata seagates doing nothing... Aug 25 19:26:01 they won't know what hit them next wed night. Aug 25 19:27:49 Do you have soldering skills to attach a serial port to it ? Aug 25 19:28:26 A DS-101g+ ? Aug 25 19:28:51 I am a tv/radio tech by trade like 12 years ago. Aug 25 19:29:11 But things don't get fixed anymore... Aug 25 19:29:50 and i hate dealing with angry customers thats why i went to sales. Aug 25 19:31:42 Is it a Synology DS-101g+? Aug 25 19:33:03 yip Aug 25 19:33:08 Tiersten: yeah, we can get them in Aus. conradl: how much was it again? Aug 25 19:33:30 conradl: do you have a RS232 to 3.3V level converter solution? Aug 25 19:33:39 For the plain DS-101 according to NAiL, there is a header for the serial port already. You just need the level converter Aug 25 19:33:56 I'd assume that the DS-101g+ would have it as well Aug 25 19:34:20 nope but i can get one...Rs will have something in stock Aug 25 19:34:29 Tiersten: yeah, haven't seen an internal pic of the 101g(plus) yet, so dunno. Aug 25 19:34:41 or dickies might have a nasty version. Aug 25 19:35:07 290 + GST(10%) Aug 25 19:35:29 conradl: I can send you over a USB->Serial (3.3V TTL) cable if you don't have anything handy. Aug 25 19:35:58 (it an old phone data cable - we use them for slug serial ports). Aug 25 19:36:22 i will build/buy bits over the weekend. Aug 25 19:36:47 talk to dyoung-zzzz about building - he's the MAX3232 expert :-) Aug 25 19:36:51 I have a erricson and nokia cable Aug 25 19:37:20 conradl: I'll be keen to get you up and running with serial on it, so we can investigate the boot loader and see how hackable it is ... Aug 25 19:37:30 back later ... Aug 25 19:37:47 conradl: if it's hackable then I might buy one too Aug 25 19:38:03 What do you mean if... Aug 25 19:40:37 Tiersten: Both ds101 and ds101g+ have the serial header already Aug 25 19:40:40 no soldering needed Aug 25 19:41:05 If the pinout is the same, pin1 is GND, pin4 is TX and pin6 is RX. Aug 25 19:41:31 And I assume it's the same, since otherwise they'd have to make two different cables to debug :-P Aug 25 19:42:22 true ---and that make it hard. Aug 25 19:43:27 The hard bit will be finding a pc with a serial port in my house... Aug 25 19:43:56 use a serial to USB cable Aug 25 19:44:39 like I use :) Aug 25 19:45:00 um... like most of us use for the serial slugs Aug 25 19:45:12 my old Laptop has a serial and that way i can leave it next to the new toy and just run something basic on it. Aug 25 19:45:52 I'm going to use one of my slugs as a cheapo "console server" :-P Aug 25 19:53:50 conradl/rwhitby: http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g+back.jpg Aug 25 19:53:57 The serial port is on the top left Aug 25 19:54:31 the pads right to the left and a little bit up is JTAG Aug 25 19:55:10 http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g+front.jpg is the front, of course :) Aug 25 19:57:01 If the orientation is the same, pin1 is topright Aug 25 19:57:30 oh, neat Aug 25 19:57:39 the ds101g+ has unpopulated ram spaces Aug 25 19:58:09 Shouldn't be much of a problem to add another 64mb then :P Aug 25 19:59:31 all i want is shell access...everything else will follow. Aug 25 20:00:23 I just hope they don't muck me round and make me wait another day... Aug 25 20:00:23 instructions for telnet is on the wiki already. It's confirmed to work ;) Aug 25 20:00:43 So ssh into slug then telnet to 101 Aug 25 20:00:57 remotely of course! Aug 25 20:01:03 hehe :) Aug 25 20:01:38 i just don't know what i would do without screen :) Aug 25 20:01:57 me neiter :) Aug 25 20:03:12 i will set up the old Laptop tonight dual boot 2k and slackware mini. i think. Aug 25 20:03:35 Its empty at this point. Aug 25 20:18:28 I have a usb to serial on my hiacom GPS thing that i never use... Aug 25 20:18:40 might work... Aug 25 20:18:57 Maybe i could watch to see if my house moves... Aug 25 20:19:08 hehe Aug 25 20:19:25 Could happen... Aug 25 20:19:35 gps over network Aug 25 20:20:09 not a bad idea that ;) Aug 25 20:20:34 i did have in in the car for war driving for a while. then grab the files each night wirelessly. Aug 25 20:22:30 I think the laptop with a real hardware serial port might be the go. i will get build a max 232 converter this week. Aug 25 20:27:53 Don't use a MAX232 as that is for 5V Aug 25 20:29:28 i want 5v to 3.3 Right? Aug 25 20:29:42 yup Aug 25 20:29:46 huh? Aug 25 20:29:49 5v to 3.3v?? Aug 25 20:30:20 rs232 5v -> ds101 3.3v Aug 25 20:30:24 sorry 3V Aug 25 20:30:35 ah, yes. /me shuts up now Aug 25 20:30:37 NAiL: ?? Aug 25 20:30:49 RS232 is -/+ 12V... Aug 25 20:31:21 A MAX3233 would do nicely in this case. It's 3.3V and has internal capacitors. Aug 25 20:31:37 * NAiL goes to bed Aug 25 20:31:46 Apparently, it's time :-P Aug 25 20:34:49 I think a kit will be the go i can't find the right gear... Aug 25 20:37:48 Some people have been using a kit from CompSys. It's in the US however. you'll have to wait until rwhitby comes back for something .au specific Aug 25 20:38:10 Didn't he offer a USB->serial cable which was 3.3V earlier? Aug 25 20:39:41 I want to find one now...Its personal and a big surprise i can't. Aug 25 20:40:19 I have multiple serial <-> cables Aug 25 20:40:27 10 or so at last count... Aug 25 20:40:48 of course, so does Tiersten and another unamed individual Aug 25 20:42:56 when i get home i am going over every usb-? and every phone data cable i own. That will take about 4 min Aug 25 20:44:07 Just check it outputs 3.3V. Apart from that all you need to work out is which wire is rxd, txd and gnd. Shouldn't take long at all assuming the plug isn't too fiddly Aug 25 20:44:50 5V into the IXP420 will kill that line as somebody else had found out the hard way Aug 25 20:47:10 I wonder who that somebody might be.......... Aug 25 20:47:22 Wasn't thinking you actually :) Aug 25 20:47:39 He killed a different pin but the serial port won't appreciate 5V either Aug 25 20:47:45 I don't think I did..... Aug 25 20:47:53 yeah, I did kill the Rx pin Aug 25 20:48:27 i was thinking one of NAiLzZz's was dead from that (as well as one of VoodooZ's) Aug 25 20:48:43 VoodooZ somehow managed to kill two GPIOs Aug 25 20:49:00 First time was accidently shorting it to 5V and the second time was a mystery Aug 25 20:49:45 MAX 3232 CPE i found them in 14 pin Aug 25 20:49:46 I think I killed mine while running in naked mode Aug 25 20:49:58 conradl: Sounds about right Aug 25 20:50:00 and I must have shorted something... Aug 25 20:50:00 locally like 2-3 ks away Aug 25 20:50:29 $10.30 So i will try to get there this afternoon Aug 25 20:50:45 You can get a different chip which doesn't have the internal caps which is cheaper Aug 25 20:51:06 More hassle to use since you have to add 4-5 caps Aug 25 20:51:58 I think i did well finding that at short notice. Aug 25 20:52:15 Okay :) Aug 25 20:52:55 You got the rest of the bits like the socket to fit the pin header on the PCB? Aug 25 20:53:05 looking for alternatives now... Aug 25 20:54:08 yip lots of old school parts at home and a good soldering iron and i even have smb gear Aug 25 20:55:35 You sure the got the right part BTW? The MAX3232 is 16 pin Aug 25 20:55:56 Huge table at http://para.maxim-ic.com/compare.asp?Fam=RS232&Tree=Interface&HP=Interface.cfm&ln= Aug 25 20:56:17 Nope not sure Aug 25 20:57:48 Anyway, I'm off to bed. Night all Aug 25 20:59:17 same here... time for bed Aug 25 21:00:08 cay Aug 25 21:00:09 wonder what the big PC1 connector pads are for at the top of http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g front.jpg Aug 25 21:00:48 and what the U32 pads are for near the bottom of http://www.carpin.demon.nl/ds-101g back.jpg Aug 25 21:01:10 (replace the spaces in the two URLs above with plus signs). Aug 25 21:08:20 my dns must be sad ..it never resolves....i get that a lot at work but work fine at home. Aug 25 21:10:07 rwhitby-web: it says PCI 1, so... Aug 25 21:10:17 it does look like a full-size pci-slot Aug 25 21:10:28 joke. Aug 25 21:11:13 NAiLzZz: maybe you could put an MPEG4 encoder card in there too ... Aug 25 21:11:24 That's be *really* neat Aug 25 21:11:54 There's lots of unpopulated spaces on the board Aug 25 21:12:14 So did you get a 101 or 101g(plus) ? Aug 25 21:12:21 room for more memory, pci-slot, U32 whatever that is, what looks like a floppy-power connector Aug 25 21:12:24 I got a 101 Aug 25 21:12:34 I'll have to wait with the 101g+ Aug 25 21:13:00 I'm not rich :P Aug 25 21:13:28 I wonder what connector CN3 is... Aug 25 21:13:42 just below the jtag connector on the backside Aug 25 21:14:33 four signals and three grounds Aug 25 21:15:13 compare it to CN5 - its an SATA connector Aug 25 21:15:42 hmm... so it might be possible to add *another* s-ata disk? Aug 25 21:15:56 sleeping seems such a waste :P Aug 25 21:16:09 probably an alternative to CN9. Aug 25 21:16:23 (i.e. probably not another disk) Aug 25 21:16:43 VIA EPIA-ML6000EA Mini ITX Mainboard with 667MHz Fanless processor is $149 + gst lots of connectors Aug 25 21:17:21 VIA EPIA5000 - Mini ITX Mainboard with ESP5000 Fanless processor $135 + gst Aug 25 21:17:38 conradl: URLs? Aug 25 21:17:38 I've got the M10K Aug 25 21:18:04 ummm www.bcntech.com.au Aug 25 21:18:20 or www.via.com.tw Aug 25 21:18:59 the M10k has a very noisy fan though :( Aug 25 21:20:55 1.3 is sata Plus stuff for $239 + gst Aug 25 21:21:36 the ds101 has a very annoying blue led though Aug 25 21:21:48 Its most annoying feature Aug 25 21:23:27 snip snip Aug 25 21:24:38 well... desolder, I guess Aug 25 21:25:03 They've provided two metal strips with glue though... to ground the hdd to the "case" Aug 25 21:25:09 tape is your friend. Aug 25 21:25:16 bbi1m (network change) Aug 25 21:25:19 I can just use one of them in front Aug 25 21:25:43 back soon...Coke and choc run Aug 25 21:53:21 I'm starting to feel left out. Aug 25 21:53:47 need ds-101g. Aug 25 21:54:02 need ds-101g(plus) Aug 25 21:54:25 Right. Aug 25 21:54:27 That one. Aug 25 21:54:29 dyoung-web: AUD$300 Aug 25 21:54:33 but I cant type (plus)_ Aug 25 21:54:38 Aug 25 21:55:09 Hmm. Thats like 3 slugs isnt it? Aug 25 21:55:40 two slugs in AUD Aug 25 21:56:10 what's a 101gplus in USD ? Aug 25 21:56:31 buy.com has it for $222USD. Aug 25 21:56:58 http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=10412107&SearchEngine=PriceGrabber&SearchTerm=10412107&Type=PE&Category=Comp&Gad=0&dcaid=15890 Aug 25 21:57:55 thats almost 3 slugs. Aug 25 21:58:03 how much memory? Aug 25 21:59:10 dyoung-web: can you get it in HI for that price? Aug 25 21:59:33 I can here. Aug 25 21:59:53 They screw me for shipping at buy.com all the time. Aug 25 22:00:06 * ka6sox-away feels another shipment headed across the pond. Aug 25 22:00:17 heh Aug 25 22:00:23 I'm gonna have to buy one. Aug 25 22:00:28 it says free shipping .. Aug 25 22:00:33 not to hawaii Aug 25 22:00:46 better order soon... Aug 25 22:00:50 free shipping unless you dont live in the continental us. Aug 25 22:00:52 otherwise may not have enough. Aug 25 22:01:03 ah "FREE Budget Shipping is not available for International orders or shipments to Alaska and Hawaii." Aug 25 22:01:21 FREE Budget Shipping is not available for International orders or shipments to Alaska and Hawaii. Aug 25 22:01:27 "Quantities are limited!" Aug 25 22:01:31 "Buy NOW!" Aug 25 22:01:57 * ka6sox-away waits to hear the word. Aug 25 22:02:39 will wait to see the serial console log from conradl first ... Aug 25 22:02:39 I'd love to afford a g+ Aug 25 22:02:40 I have a shipment headed to Hi soon... Aug 25 22:02:55 will it fit in a $14 box? Aug 25 22:03:00 I think so. Aug 25 22:03:20 the ds101g+ costs USD390 here Aug 25 22:03:38 I need to review the budget before commiting to that kind of purchase. Aug 25 22:03:40 NAiL will have to wait 1month. Aug 25 22:04:08 notify.inc.php and pm.php are missing ?!? Aug 25 22:04:09 wtf Aug 25 22:04:15 i translated them ;( Aug 25 22:04:16 ka6sox-away: uh? What? Aug 25 22:04:34 ah, if someone ships it from over there ;) Aug 25 22:05:02 ops ... wrong window Aug 25 22:05:06 * rwhitby-web has the AUD$550 proceeds from selling the Treo600 to spend :-) Aug 25 22:05:11 ya Aug 25 22:05:21 woo hoo Aug 25 22:05:25 Hmm Aug 25 22:05:33 770? Aug 25 22:05:36 800? Aug 25 22:05:45 what is that in USD. Aug 25 22:06:17 It's supposed to repay the purchase price of the Treo 650, but I figure that's a sunk cost already, so I can spend the 550 ... Aug 25 22:06:31 :) Aug 25 22:06:53 550 is enough for two g+'es. Send one to me ;-) Aug 25 22:07:55 I'll hopefully get a bunch of money soon, so I can buy myself a g+ and that sound-thingy Aug 25 22:09:04 NAiL: AUD$550 is only USD$410 Aug 25 22:09:11 dang Aug 25 22:10:19 dyoung-web: that buy,com link says it's a ByteCC product ... Aug 25 22:10:52 maybe ByteCC is the importer or exporter ? Aug 25 22:11:38 The Nerds have it for $215. Aug 25 22:11:50 But I've only heard the name before, never actually ordered anything from there. Aug 25 22:11:52 http://www.thenerds.net/index.php?page=productpage&affid=2&pn=DS101G Aug 25 22:13:07 whats the cheapest ds101 non g plus go for? Aug 25 22:13:58 hmm., maybe it is a differnt animal. More research required. Aug 25 22:15:45 they say "6 in 1" though., so it does kind of seem like the right one. Aug 25 22:15:48 http://newsite.pagecomputers.com/store/Product_accessoriesx.asp?catalog%5Fname=Unclassified&category%5Fname=32g32c302s1287&product%5Fid=800073 <- < USD$200 for g(plus) Aug 25 22:16:31 Never heard of 'em. Aug 25 22:16:37 So I can buy two for my $USD410, but just can't ship them... Aug 25 22:16:49 they'll probably ream me on shiping Aug 25 22:17:15 $33 for shipping Aug 25 22:19:17 nite all Aug 25 22:19:28 nite NAiLzZZ **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 23:00:31 2005 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 25 23:01:35 2005 Aug 26 00:22:58 hi Aug 26 00:28:43 morning Aug 26 00:36:49 any news on unslung 6.x? Aug 26 00:37:53 or is everybody busy with openslug? Aug 26 00:54:31 the manager is asleep now...but will be up in about 7hrs...I'll ask him then :) Aug 26 01:01:12 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r13f41f22... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.13-rc5-mm1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Correct the order of a couple of patches Aug 26 01:28:41 perlguru: interested in helping out on unslung 6? Aug 26 02:34:47 rwhitby-away: what needs to be done? Aug 26 02:42:34 perlguru: well, there is a ufsd package for Unslung 5.5 which needs testing and writing up on the wiki about how to use it (that's the NTFS kernel module package) Aug 26 02:42:55 then we may look at a way to replace USB_Detect so that you can hotplug drives and it supports NTFS Aug 26 02:43:15 then there is the Unslung 6.x alpha with the binary kernel which needs testing Aug 26 02:43:42 and when the source for R63 comes out we then need to incorporate that. Aug 26 02:44:07 (the unslung with R63 binary kernel has significant issues and I wouldn't suggest anyone migrate to it at the moment) Aug 26 02:45:34