**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 26 02:59:56 2005 Aug 26 03:08:11 hey people, is there any hardware modification which could allow an internal SD card without stealing a USB port? Aug 26 03:08:41 No. Not enough spare GPIOs Aug 26 03:09:57 It's possible if you take over all 4 LED lines but then you have to fiddle with the kernel and possibly the bootloader to tell it not to attempt to turn on the LEDs Aug 26 03:10:25 I can't remember if RedBoot did anything with the LED lines. If not then you just need to modify the kernel to prevent that. Aug 26 03:10:38 The 4 LED lines being the dual colour power/status and the two disk LEDs Aug 26 03:16:12 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r3ebe797f... 10/packages/rrdtool/rrdtool_1.0.49.bb: rrdtool: fix SRC_URI Aug 26 03:26:40 03rpurdie 07org.openembedded.dev * r80cd2f23... 10/packages/linux/ (2 files): linux-oz-2.6: Fix corgi touchscreen and power management issues. Update urls in 2.6.11 kernel Aug 26 03:28:40 perlguru: for the hotplug, we need something which will work with Unslung. Will udev work with the 2.4 kernel? Aug 26 03:29:14 New application for the slug: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Puppy/ToppyBiff Aug 26 03:30:26 is wiki editing really slow for anyone else at the moment? Aug 26 03:31:48 concept for a new paradigm? Aug 26 03:31:56 heh :-) Aug 26 03:37:04 And yeah, it's slow. It's been slow for the last couple of days for me Aug 26 03:37:23 it doesn't seem to be the load on nugabe. Aug 26 03:37:46 maybe the uplink is saturated ... Aug 26 03:38:08 maybe. it's very early morning there and it's sluggish around that time Aug 26 03:38:25 last time I checked, it was something in Level3 that had packet loss for me Aug 26 03:54:49 Hi rod. I have a usb to serial that terminates to ps2 for my gps so that should be fine. Aug 26 03:55:21 ps2? like the keyboard connector? Aug 26 03:55:55 yip Aug 26 03:56:15 is that 3.3V ? Aug 26 03:56:18 a old cheap kb is about to give its all Aug 26 03:57:42 inside the comverter is just a pl 2303 Aug 26 04:03:28 i just have to make sure what its set for...the gps is dual mode 5 and 3 V output.... Aug 26 04:07:23 small, smaller, smallest: http://www.picotux.com Aug 26 04:26:24 neat. Aug 26 04:27:32 Are there any manufacturers that have something like the Arcom VULCAN, but with miniPCI instead of CF+/PC104 ? Aug 26 04:27:45 http://www.arcom.com/pc104-ixp425-vulcan.htm Aug 26 04:28:31 In particular, I'm interested in a IXP4xx board with USB2.0 host and miniPCI/802.11g Aug 26 04:29:22 Loft? Aug 26 04:30:45 ([g2]'s new "Loft" board meets those specs ...) Aug 26 05:03:07 Rod...My device is setup as 5V so i might have further look @ the shop for a phone cable. and yay my gps still works so i didn't kill it. Aug 26 05:07:35 I can't find a wiki entry for loft :( Aug 26 05:07:39 Anyone got a URL? Aug 26 05:08:03 It doesnt quite exist yet. he should have prototypes in hand soon. Aug 26 05:08:12 its based roughly on this: http://www.gateworks.com/avila_gw2342.htm Aug 26 05:08:39 it does not have Host USB 2.0; but you could use a minipci slot for that. Aug 26 05:08:44 conradl: as I said I can express post over a phone cable ... Aug 26 05:10:10 I may take you up on that before the weekend is out. Aug 26 05:11:19 I can post it on Monday and you'd get it Tuesday. Aug 26 05:11:36 So you've got the weekend to find an alternative. Aug 26 05:14:02 yip..i hate to give up. Aug 26 05:15:20 i have got a new ups just for this unit Aug 26 05:15:20 if you can get into the boot loader and we can work out how to reflash the firmware if required, then I'll probably buy one too (get ka6sox to buy one in the states and ship it - USD$214 instead of AUD$300). Aug 26 05:15:44 whats the exchange rate? Aug 26 05:16:11 0.75 at the moment Aug 26 05:16:32 so it's close. how much is compucon charging for shipping? Aug 26 05:17:10 $ 0 there is a office in every state. in QLD its next to powerware...handy Aug 26 05:17:12 (i.e. what's the total AUD cost to get one to my doorstep?) Aug 26 05:17:32 ah, so I could pick one up in Adelaide? Aug 26 05:17:39 what was the price again? Aug 26 05:17:40 $319 and i will do the postage. Aug 26 05:17:49 290+ GST Aug 26 05:18:05 can I paypal you? Aug 26 05:19:46 i have no idea how that works... they have an office in Kurralta Park SA 5037 Aug 26 05:19:52 how much do they sell the plain DS101 for? Aug 26 05:19:55 is that close Aug 26 05:20:07 close enough to pick it up Aug 26 05:20:17 they never told me...i never asked. Aug 26 05:20:36 i can make sure they will supply you. Aug 26 05:20:57 http://www.compucon.com.au/Compucon.htm Aug 26 05:25:41 seems that most places in AU want at least $300 for the plain DS101 Aug 26 05:27:32 the 290 is disk-less price. Aug 26 05:28:28 i have spare 80S or i can pull one of the 200s out of this machine Aug 26 05:28:41 it has 1.4T of space... Aug 26 05:31:33 I think the $300 I'm seeing for the plain DS101 is a disk-less price too ... Aug 26 05:31:44 oh. Aug 26 05:31:58 which makes it an easy choice :-) Aug 26 05:33:03 i want to pull some of the drives out and was looking @ the netgear 2 disk station thingie Aug 26 05:33:05 http://www.computeralliance.com.au/parts.aspx?qryPart=5361 Aug 26 05:36:46 looks like a baby toaster... Aug 26 05:37:41 $229 isn't bad ... Aug 26 05:40:16 it would take the heat off this pc. Aug 26 05:41:00 be cheaper other venders. Aug 26 05:46:55 $200 around the cheap shops Aug 26 05:47:35 just read something about it requiring software on the client to access it Aug 26 05:47:48 http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=384656 Aug 26 05:53:43 Thats gonna hurt it bad.i don't want it anymore Aug 26 06:38:40 Jeebus - It's EMC in a toaster. I wouldn't want it either! ;-) Aug 26 06:53:19 how many GPIO lines does the SLUG have? Aug 26 06:54:28 ~nslu2-wiki Aug 26 06:54:31 [nslu2-wiki] the short-hand way of saying "Have a look at the NSLU2-Linux Wiki at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/". Aug 26 06:54:51 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Info/GPIOConnections Aug 26 06:55:05 rwhitby: yeah i'm looking now Aug 26 06:55:53 rwhitby: do you know much about i2c? would it be possible to put a 4 GPIO port extender onto the i2c bus to add SD storage from? Aug 26 06:57:47 probably. Have you seen the wrt54g sd hack? Aug 26 06:58:41 yes Aug 26 06:58:58 it attaches to the GPIO lines Aug 26 06:59:13 only all our GPIO lines are used for the Leds Aug 26 07:00:18 you could use the buzzer, power off, and two disk leds ... Aug 26 07:00:22 i guess the other option is to get a $20 card reader and tap of the USB lines? Aug 26 07:05:51 Tiersten, have you personally tried festival on ARM or just heard about it? For me it would be mostly for show so it's not a big deal if it sounds crappy. Aug 26 07:06:19 If I could get Sphinx4 to work on the slug though, that would be way cooler! Aug 26 07:08:25 rwhitby: how does usb work? can two ports be connected to the same line thingy? Aug 26 07:09:53 probably easiest with the cheap card reader. Aug 26 07:16:57 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rd3de05a5... 10/packages/meta/meta-sdk.bb: meta-sdk: remove obsolete libxsettings. Aug 26 07:17:00 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra4e8da76... 10/packages/libxsettings-client/libxsettings-client_0.14.bb: libxsettings-client: Add V 0.14 Aug 26 07:17:05 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rfeaca122... 10/packages/libschedule/libschedule_0.15.bb: libschedule: Add V 0.15. Courtesy by Philippe de Swert. Aug 26 07:17:08 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * ra4323ae1... 10/packages/gpe-announce/gpe-announce_0.13.bb: gpe-announce: Add V 0.13. Contributed by Philippe de Swert. Aug 26 07:17:11 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * rf570fb95... 10/packages/gpe-calendar/gpe-calendar_0.63.bb: gpe-calendar: Add version 0.63, contributed by Philippe de Swert. Aug 26 07:17:13 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r41853f4a... 10/packages/gpe-clock/gpe-clock_0.21.bb: gpe-clock: Add release 0.21, contributed by Philippe de Swert. Aug 26 07:26:42 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r2a4b0586... 10/packages/gpe-package/gpe-package_0.3.bb: gpe-package 0.3: add to repo Aug 26 07:26:45 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r23a6ba32... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: Aug 26 07:26:45 conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: updates Aug 26 07:26:45 libschedule -> 0.15 Aug 26 07:26:45 gpe-calendar -> 0.63 Aug 26 07:26:45 gpe-clock -> 0.21 Aug 26 07:26:46 gpe-package -> 0.3 Aug 26 07:31:54 night all Aug 26 07:37:27 re all Aug 26 07:39:14 anyone know anything about ctorrent? Aug 26 07:39:54 nope Aug 26 07:44:02 anyone know anything about alignment on the strongarm? Aug 26 07:44:15 nope :-) Aug 26 07:44:20 heh Aug 26 07:44:39 where's jbowler when you need him :) Aug 26 07:45:04 jbot, seen jbowler Aug 26 07:45:09 jbowler was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 14d 16h 24m 42s ago, saying: 'The non nslu2-linux.org commit indirectly to .dev - the delay before NAiL or I propagate really isn't a whole lot of protection...'. Aug 26 07:45:51 holiday time Aug 26 07:46:06 right, i need one of those Aug 26 07:57:09 03rwhitby 07org.openembedded.dev * rdf619438... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): unslung-kernel: enabled CONFIG_NET_WIRELESS Aug 26 07:57:12 03rwhitby 07org.openembedded.dev * re7835394... 10/packages/zd1211/ (8 files in 2 dirs): zd1211: Added zd1211-4916 (rumoured to work with Unslung). Aug 26 08:23:36 rwhitby: ping Aug 26 08:25:58 rwhitby: are you planning to put the nslu2-developers list on Gmane to make it available via NNTP ? Aug 26 08:33:18 question: I have ncurses installed (an up-to-date) but I don't seem to have the screen binary installed... any ideas? Aug 26 08:43:37 hmm the package search says 'screen' is in ncurses, but when I extract the *.ipk file there is no screen binary in it... Aug 26 08:46:48 screen should be a separate package Aug 26 08:47:13 even for unslung? Aug 26 08:47:39 seems like the package search is not quite correct there then :-) Aug 26 08:47:49 thanks hannesr Aug 26 08:48:43 i think the screen in ncurses is a screen configuration file.. Aug 26 08:49:07 well it gets installed in ./opt/bin (allegedly) Aug 26 08:50:34 hm.. not according to ipkg files ncurses Aug 26 08:51:53 but I'm running openslug.. lol Aug 26 08:52:14 according to http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/details.php?package=screen&official=&format= there's a "screen" package for unslung, which contains the screen binary Aug 26 08:52:54 according to http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/result.php?query=screen&searchtype=file§ion= it is the only package which provides screen for unslung :-P Aug 26 08:56:33 maybe it's because screen calls its binary "/usr/bin/screen-4.0.2" Aug 26 08:56:54 but what the /usr/bin/screen supposedly in ncurses is about I have no idea Aug 26 08:57:29 I've raised a slugbug Aug 26 09:00:20 anyone know if a detached screen works like nohup ? Aug 26 09:00:35 i.e. if I logout will it kill any detached screens? Aug 26 09:00:54 screens will stay alive when you logout Aug 26 09:01:08 very very cool Aug 26 09:01:18 it is :) Aug 26 09:01:36 That mainly what I use screen for Aug 26 09:01:46 start compile sessions and logging out Aug 26 09:01:49 or irssi :) Aug 26 09:02:23 yeah - I used to use nohup - bit it's non-interactive and you are constantly having to tail nohup.out Aug 26 09:04:26 what happens if you are attached to a screen and your connection is lost (e.g. a terminal window over SSH) does the screen detatch and continue running, or is it killed ? Aug 26 09:06:52 continue Aug 26 09:07:10 v v cool Aug 26 09:07:16 oh yes :) Aug 26 09:08:27 I assume that I don't need any special flags... I just did: Aug 26 09:08:28 screen cmd Aug 26 09:08:30 Aug 26 09:08:32 Ctrl-A Aug 26 09:08:34 D Aug 26 09:08:35 which dropped me back to my login shell Aug 26 09:08:37 yes Aug 26 09:08:54 or you can do like I do, just start "screen", and execute commands within Aug 26 09:09:08 of course, that'll start another shell, so it takes a bit more resources Aug 26 09:42:46 03purbanec * 10unslung/make/puppy.mk: Aug 26 09:42:46 New version of puppy released. Aug 26 09:42:46 Changes the handling of turbo mode. Aug 26 09:42:46 Workarounds for bugs in Topfield USB implementation. Aug 26 10:01:30 03florian 07org.openembedded.dev * r2f7b3d5a... 10/packages/gpe-nmf/gpe-nmf_0.22.bb: gpe-nmf: Add version 0.22. Aug 26 10:48:55 <[cc]smart> i'm a bit irritated to the meaning/content of topdir.conf. Should i put TOPDIR="`pwd`" in there ? Aug 26 10:49:05 <[cc]smart> seems a bit overdosed... Aug 26 10:49:11 <[cc]smart> what's the idea ? Aug 26 11:52:04 yeah, I'm still wondering what it' Aug 26 11:52:15 it is for? there's nothing on the wiki Aug 26 11:56:18 03justinp 07org.openembedded.dev * r34d60511... 10/packages/libao/libao_0.8.6.bb: libao: Fix SRC_URI Aug 26 12:06:19 03justinp 07org.openembedded.dev * r757ecda6... 10/packages/xscreensaver/ (6 files in 4 dirs): Aug 26 12:06:19 Add xscreensaver 4.22 Aug 26 12:06:19 - moved 2 of the 4.16 files to files/ to allow use for multiple versions Aug 26 12:06:19 - there are floating point issues with the ifs screensaver (and probaby others) Aug 26 13:00:28 <[cc]smart> I have the feeling all this undocumented variable criss cross usage and referencing is getting out of hand. Aug 26 13:01:08 <[cc]smart> is somebody able to tell me what nowadays the quivalent of bitbake openslug-image would be ? Aug 26 13:02:06 <[cc]smart> all this stuff is getting too weird. rule 1) keep it simple stupid Aug 26 13:02:56 <[cc]smart> if you look at gento, it cannot be hiden that once they implemented the genius idea of slots, their pacakge base becomes older and older. Aug 26 13:03:27 <[cc]smart> slots might be fancy but they are just plain violating rule 1 Aug 26 13:14:33 <[cc]smart> ok, have it Aug 26 13:15:46 <[cc]smart> but still, could this finally settle ? i'm slowly gettin pissed for several weeks now every weekend just restart fiddling with the environment instead of doing a single line of useful stuff Aug 26 13:38:36 [cc]smart: what are you trying to do? Aug 26 13:38:43 make build-openslug works. Aug 26 13:38:56 cd openslug; source setup-env; bitbake openslug-image works Aug 26 14:00:04 <[cc]smart> dyoung: yes, thanks. now it does. but i had a good deal surprises before it did :) many things have changed, but if you use the Master Makefile for all fom the startyou probably didn't run into it, because it deals with that. Aug 26 14:01:17 incidentally, these config file changes were introduced to eliminate the dependency on berlios and the synlinks it held. Aug 26 14:02:07 <[cc]smart> but it seems they have grown a bit further .... Aug 26 14:05:02 not really. Aug 26 14:05:07 read about freez Aug 26 14:05:15 freeze . Aug 26 14:05:57 since youre a core developer working on new packages, it might be adventageous for you to unfreeze. Aug 26 14:11:11 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r514e1063... 10/packages/pcmcia-cs/files/arm/pcmcia: Aug 26 14:11:11 pcmcia-cs: patch arm/pcmcia to handle 2.6 modules Aug 26 14:11:11 Patch courtesy Matt Reimer, closes #260 Aug 26 14:13:39 re all Aug 26 14:14:41 looking for info on ucslugc Aug 26 14:16:09 'morning Mr Slug Salter. Aug 26 14:34:12 lo Aug 26 14:34:25 dont knock it til youve tried it Aug 26 14:34:32 well, gotta go. adios Aug 26 16:31:37 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r0fce5c9b... 10/packages/xst/xst_0.15.bb: xst 0.15: add it Aug 26 16:31:40 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r9c1b0044... 10/packages/xst/xst_0.14.bb: xst 0.14: blow away nonworking version Aug 26 16:31:42 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * r07b0317e... 10/packages/gpsdrive/gpsdrive_cvs.bb: gpsdrive_cvs: remove pda patch as it's applied upstream Aug 26 16:41:05 03koen 07org.openembedded.dev * rbdbeb53f... 10/packages/gpsdrive/gpsdrive_cvs.bb: gpsdrive_cvs: add libart as a depency Aug 26 17:12:50 ~weather ctor Aug 26 17:12:53 I can't find station code "CTOR" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes). Aug 26 17:14:03 ~weather cyyz Aug 26 17:14:07 Toronto Pearson Int'L. Ont., Canada; (CYYZ) 43-40N 079-38W 173M; last updated: 2005.08.26 1900 UTC; Dew Point: 59 F (15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.01 in. Hg (1016 hPa); Relative Humidity: 50%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 78 F (26 C); Visibility: 15 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (120 degrees) at 10 MPH (9 KT) Aug 26 18:57:35 03rw 07org.openembedded.dev * r788dc993... 10/packages/make/make-native_3.80.bb: make-native: fix inherit/include order Aug 26 18:57:39 03rw 07org.openembedded.dev * r9bed668a... 10/packages/findutils/findutils-native_4.1.20.bb: findutils-native: fix inherit/include order Aug 26 18:57:48 03rw 07org.openembedded.dev * r8ae15bef... 10/packages/jamvm/ (4 files in 3 dirs): jamvm: add 1.3.2 (bugfix release). move patches around a bit. Aug 26 18:57:53 03rw 07org.openembedded.dev * r167f0980... 10/packages/gawk/gawk-native_3.1.4.bb: gawk: add -native variant. Aug 26 18:57:56 03rw 07org.openembedded.dev * rda499398... 10/packages/addons/devshell.bb: devshell: add some alias magic. Aug 26 18:58:00 03rw 07org.openembedded.dev * rfda50be3... 10/packages/sablevm/ (sablevm-classpath_1.12.bb sablevm_1.12.bb): sablevm(-classpath): add 1.12 release. Aug 26 21:35:24 are there any plans for near future to do a binary release of ucslugc? Aug 26 21:38:09 I haven't made plans.... ;) Aug 26 21:40:30 but since it is an OpenSlug derivative, maybe something could be done about that Aug 26 21:41:29 I'm just reading ucslugc/status page and am a little confused about what I'll get if I build it using the master makefile. Aug 26 21:42:53 or about the incompatibility with upslug - how would you go about installing ucslugc in the first place, if you can't use upslug? Aug 26 21:44:03 I guess I'll need to resort to questions in email so that jbowler has a chance to respond - he doesn't do IRC, does he? Aug 26 21:44:11 he used to Aug 26 21:44:27 he just hasn't been seen in a while Aug 26 21:47:18 Do I need to do anything else, besides commiting a new version of optware/make/puppy.mk to cause the updated package to appear in the binary feeds for openslug? Aug 26 21:48:09 It's been over 12 hours, but I still see 1.9-r0 instead of 1.11-r1 Aug 26 21:48:39 NAiL should answer that question Aug 26 21:52:10 peteru-home, I'll check into the possibility of a binary release - no promises though Aug 26 22:12:47 ByronT: Thanks - I think a base ucslugc with just a listening ssh would make a great base for customised standalone slugs. Especially if one ends up with 2MB of flash to install only the packages required for a task. Aug 26 23:39:29 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/py-moin.mk: upstream upgrade from 1.3.4 to 1.3.5. It is actually usable on turboslug **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 27 02:59:57 2005